[SEVENTEEN] From an idol group of a small, poor entertainment label to a top supergroup (Eng CC) 

아니 솔직히 타팬이 봐도 5년차 그룹 아닌거같이 항상 초심 잃지 않고 모든 활동과 예능도 열심히 하는 모습 너무 보기 좋음.심지어 조금 후도 방송나온다는데ㅋㅋㅋ컨셉도 다양해서 보는 재미 너무 좋음.더 흥했으면 좋겠습니다

이쯤되면 제작자분이 캐럿되신거 같은데

You know you're a seventeen trash when you know all the things that has been said in the video... STAN SEVENTEEN!SUPPORT THEIR UPCOMING COMEBACK;

10월 19일에 "HOME;RUN"이라는 곡으로 세븐틴이 컴백을 합니다! 많은 관심과 사랑 부탁드려요❤❤❤ 두유람님 세븐틴이 컴백하는 날짜에 맞춰서 컴백 전에 영상을 제작해 주신 건가요? 정말로 감사합니당❤❤❤❤

The fastest way to make non-fans to stan SEVENTEEN is by telling them that they should watch SVT's Going Seventeen episodes (edited) And after watching GoSe episodes, watch their MV "DON'T WANNA CRY", that music video would lead you to watching all SEVENTEEN MVs (edited) if you'll say that you wouldn't stan them coz they got a lot of members, then you're also missing A LOT. LIKE LITERALLY A LOT. (edited) WATCH their latest MV "HOME;RUN" as well as the choreography video. Also listen to their album "SEMICOLON" and you'll find out why CARATs are so proud of SEVENTEEN with every second of our lives.

진짜 세븐틴의 그 가족같은 연대감 때문에 다른 그룹은 이제 못 팔것같음. 그 분위기가 너무 좋고 긍정적이어서. 이 정도로 돈독해질수가 있나 싶을만큼.

제가 세븐틴과 사랑에 빠진 이유는 제가 춤을 좋아하는데 세븐틴의 모든 사람들이 댄서가 아닌 것처럼 싱크로율이 너무 높아서 팀워크도 너무 좋고 너무 웃겨서요. I fell in love with Seventeen because I love dancing and their synchronization is crazy like not everyone in seventeen are dancers but they manage to become so synchronized. and also their teamwork is just amazing and they're so funny

우리 세븐틴은 13명의 많은 인원이 있지만 항상 모든무대마다 최선을 다해주고 좋은 노래 퍼포먼스 에 빠져 캐럿이 되었습니다.우리 캐럿들이 평생 좋은추억 많이 만들어줄테니깐 우리 오래오래함께하자!세븐틴 많은 사랑 부탁드려요 💕

I love SVT not just because of their synchronization and songs but also how they are very, VERY DOWN TO EARTH and how they treat us carats as part of the family

셉틴은 갭차이 있는 그룹이다 무대위에서는 하나의 아트이고 무대아래에서 개개인의 끼와 힘을 보여주고있다 특히 고잉세븐틴은 그 끼와 힘을 잘 보여주고 있다. 추리,개그,연기까지 팔방미인 세븐틴 -캐럿입덕 부정중인 사람올림

에이틴 OST 자주 듣고 있을때 지인이 캐럿이라 이 노래 세븐틴 곡이다 해서 세븐틴 오라버니들을 찾아보고 갭차이의 정석이신분과 입덕요정님에게 빠져 입덕했습니다 어느새 입덕 2주년이 넘었네요 ㅎㅅㅎ 다들 언제나 셉옵들과 함께 행덕 하자구욧~

저는 세븐틴 홈때 호시의 "Baby 우리의 따뜻함을 그대로 간직하고 싶어" 파트에서 호시의 춤선, 외모, 목소리 모든것을 보고 빠졌습니다아~

세븐틴분들 정말 퍼포먼스 최고.. 중소기획사 다인원그룹의 기적 맞쥬 맞쥬 오늘 영상도 너무 잘보고가요💜

우와앙 세븐틴이다아 역시 13명이 진짜 같은 캐릭터가 없어서 처음에는 너무 맴버들 이름이 헷갈렸는데 조금만 있으면 저 캐럿된지 2000일됬어여>< 울고싶지않아 칼군무 보고 입덕했어요 진짜 세븐틴이 대기업에 들어갔다면...지금보다 가 인지도가 높을텐데 조금 아쉽다는 생각이 드네요ㅜㅜ 하지만!! 저는 계속 무슨일이 있어도 세븐틴을 좋아할것이라는것!!

솔직히 캐럿 아닐때는 세븐틴 나왔을때 되게 많다고 생각해서 파기 힘들다고 했는데 아이돌룸에서 1명 감기고나서 어느순간 13명을 품고있더라 13명 다 각각의 매력이 있어서 올팬이 된거같음! ㅎㅎ

세븐틴은 정말 서로 친해보여요.뭐라 해야되지? 진짜 엄청 친해보여요 세븐틴으로 보인다고 해야하나...13명 다 하나로 보여요. 세븐틴만 가지고 있는 분위기가 너무 좋아서 입덕했어요.

IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO STAN SEVENTEEN! LET'S SLIP INTO DIAMOND LIFE AND U WILL NOT REGRET IT. trust me.

누가 망한다고 함 19일에 발표되는 앨범으로 더블 밀리언셀러 달성함 최고 나이도 26살이라 군대가기 전까지 시간도 많고 올라갈 길도 많음

저는 우리 지훈이의 귀여운외모와 승관이의 음색덕분에 입덕했어요ㅠㅠ

우리 세봉이들 19일에 스페셜앨범인 세미콜론에서 홈런이라는 타이틀 곡으로 컴백해요!!!많은 사랑과 관심 부탁드립니다!!우리 자체제작돌 세븐틴 캐럿과 서로만 믿고 가자❤️❤️❤️

다들 13명이면 참 많다.. 그러는데 13명에서 1명이라도 빠지면 왠지 허전하더라구요ㅠㅜ 늦덕이고 입덕한지 갓 한달 됐지만 진짜 멤버들이 서로를 아끼는게 보이더라구요.. 13명 오래오래 다 함께 영원하자..! [10/19 세미콜론이란 앨범에 타이틀곡 홈;런으로 세븐틴이 컴백하니 많은 관심 부탁드려요:)] (최)승철 윤정한 홍지수 문준휘 권순영 전원우 이지훈 서명호 김민규 이석민 부승관 최한솔 이찬 세븐틴 빛내줄게!!!♡

친구에 의하여 강제적으로 고셉 봤는데 너무 재밌어서 몰아보다가 자세히 보니까 제가 좋아하는 미니미니뽀송뽀송뽀짝뽀짝귀욤귀욤을 발견해버려서 입덕...

캐럿으로써 세븐틴의 재미있는면에서 입덕을 하게되었는데요.세븐틴하면 개그돌이죠.그 누구의 개그맨들보다 재밌어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 고잉세븐틴이라는세븐틴 개인체널 영상을 보시면 더더욱 가족같은느낌과 재미를 느낄수있죠 또 세븐틴 콘서트를 가면 더 재미있게 즐길수있는데요.요즘은 콘서트에서도말고 가요대제전 가요대축제에서도 재미있게 단독콘서트처럼 즐기죠

연습생시절 우연히 인터넷 방송을 시청했는데, 처음은 와 연습생 진짜 많다~ 연습생들은 저런 모습이구나~했지만 동창같은 남고딩 모습을 하며 재밌게 놀다가도 어느순간 연습에 들어가면 집중하고 작은 각도 하나까지도 맞추는 카리스마를 보고 와...로 바뀌었고, 어느 순간 항상 방송을 시청하고 데뷔프로그램을 찍었을때 확실히 입덕했죠!

저는 인간박수와 핑크머리 천사와 검은머리 천재작곡가를 보고 입덕했다가 현 최애는 천사랍니다! +우리 럿들이들은 누군지 다 알죵?😆

Yes Seventeen is a perfect group. Visuals, Vocals, Performance, Personalities, and also they are a very funny group. Each member have their own charms, and they also love each other very much. And their love for their fans.. no need to askㅜㅜ that's why I'm proud to be a Carat

히트 교차편집을 보다 머리 돌리는 안무 부분에 우지씨가 딱 잡히는데 그게 슬로우로 보이더라구요...제눈엔 그랬습니다 찰랑하면서 슬로우가 되는데...그걸 계속 돌려보다가 세븐틴 우지/우지 등을 폭풍써칭하게 되었고 영상을 보면서 이름도 외워버리고 많이 웃기도 하고 울기도 하고 정신을 차려보니까 노래도 듣고 있고 하루중에 꼭하는 일이 유튜브에 세븐틴 검색하기...가 되어버렸더라구요 그래서 아 이거 입덕이구나 했죠 지금은 뼛속까지 캐럿이구 일상생활하면서 세븐틴 관련되있는게 나오면 세븐틴 생각을 한답니당

저는 호시의 사진을 보고 한눈에 반해서 지금까지 파고 있습니다..❤️

고잉 이라는 세븐틴이 찍는거 있는데 그거 보다가 관심이 좀 가서 찾아보다가 원우옵에 입덕영상보고 HIT 무대 보고 무대가 너무 멋지고 멤버들도 멋지고 지금은 누구보다 세븐틴 사랑하고 있습니다~ (그리고 업텐션 신청이요~ 부탁드립니다!💛😍)

scoups asked the agency to make Carat bong a bit more brighter because concerts ends late at night

제가 있지에 입덕하기전 좋아했던 아이돌이였죠ㅠㅠ... 숨겨진 좋은노래들도 많고 멤버들도 재밌고 좋아요 띵곡 추천 좋겠다(I wish) A-teen 9-teen 247 Falling for you CHANGE UP 정말 좋습니다 시간되시면 도입부라도 들어보시길 바래요

The reason why I being Carat today was because of the song that made by Woozi, their personalities, that can make you laugh, smile and make you crying because of them are.... Urghh... Idk how to say... It's such beautiful... And when you see them always together... It make you always smiling... This is why I stan SEVENTEEN... Saranghae Seventeen ❤️

웬만한 아이돌 거의 다 팠고 걸그룹,보이그룹 할거없이 많은 아이돌들 좋아했었는데 오래 가지 못하고 탈덕을 하는 경우가 대부분인데 세븐틴 데뷔초때 장발정한이 보고 관심이 갔었는데 그때 다른 그룹 좋아하고있어서 그냥 자체제작돌인데 안무 노래 좋아서 좋은 인상을 남기고 스쳐갔는데 고잉세븐틴이랑 승관이가 예능에서 활약하고 울고싶지않아 활동에 눈에 자꾸 띄어서 입덕부정기를 지나고 길고 긴 시간이 지나 겨우 입덕하게 된 캐럿으로써 확실히 세븐틴 입덕하고 얘네는 찐이다 라는 느낌을 많이 받은것같고 내가 눈이 까다롭다고 할만큼 다른 사람의 단점이 잘 보이는 경향이 있는데 정말 한명한명 꼬집어 살펴봐도 노력하고 열정적이면서 실력도 있으니까 볼때마다 기분이 좋아지는 묘한 감정이 드는 그룹이고 좀 뜰때 좋아하게 되서 데뷔초에 어땠는지 몰랐고 인원수가 많으니 대형소속사에서 아니면 좀 받쳐줄수있는 소속사겠지 했는데 세븐틴 데뷔초 당시 힘들었던 소속사 플레디스라는거에 놀랐고 그런 열악한 환경 속에서 이렇게 오로지 서로만 믿고 화이팅하면서 자신들의 색깔로 음악을 한다는걸 알고 완전 뭔가 색다른 느낌을 받고 시간이 지날수록 점점 정이 떨어지는게 대부분이였는데 되려 점점 파고파도 나오는 매력들에 정신 못 차리고 빠져들고만 있는데 가끔 논란있고 열애설 장난아닌 그룹들에 여러번 데였던 사람으로써 너무 평화로워서 맘도 놓이고 순한 사람이라는게 방송용이 아니라 정말 순해서 순한게 딱 느껴지는 그런 멤버들이라 5년차정도 되가고 있는데도 큰 논란없이 잘 성장해준것 같고 정말 좋아한다는 말이 부족할정도로 뭐든 다 해주고 싶고 그럴수있을것 같아서 내 인생의 반을 가득 채워주는것같고 아무래도 팬사랑도 고마울정도로 해주니까 힘들때 위로를 받기도 하는것같다 진짜 아이돌의 팬으로써가 아니라 13명의 사람들이 너무 소중하고 존경스럽고 멋진 존재들인것같아ㅠㅠ 존재 자체만으로도 빛을 내는 그런 보석 세븐틴의 캐럿이지만 세븐틴이 정말 진정한 내 캐럿이다 증마류ㅠ 나는 세븐틴 좋아하려고 태어난 사람같아 세븐틴 덕에 없던 꿈이 생기고 용기가 생기고 내 인생이 밝아졌어 진짜 꼭 한번 만나서 고맙다는말을 전해주고싶은데 그건 또 너무 쑥스러울것같당 ㅎㅎ 암튼 내 말은 세븐틴이 너무너무 좋다구 ㅠㅠ 나에게 와쥬ㅓ서 고마웡 ㅠㅠ 아이돌 해줘서 고마웡유ㅠㅍㅍ

진짜 셉은 인원이 많아서 자칫하면 동선이 되게 시선 분산 되고 정신 없어 보일 수 있는데 그걸 없애버림 시선분산의 ㅅ도 생각 안남 ㄹㅇ 노뚝딱 부심,,, +13명이 다 실력이 좋기 때문에 유닛리버스나 그런거해도 어색함 없이 너무 잘한다는것도 셉부심 차오름,,,

전 입덕까진 아니지만 최근 고잉세븐틴을 보게됬을때 웃음 터지는 시간이 많아서 다른 편까지 꾸준히 보다가 무대영상도 보면서 실력이 정말 좋구나 생각하며 응원하고 있습니다! 매력넘치고 실력 짱짱한 세븐틴 화이팅입니다!

And now they're double million album seller in just a single year😭😭😭 pround to stan them even though I'm a little bit late❤️

I love how they can make you laugh with their personalities. I love how they could make you cry/comfort with their songs. I love how they could amaze you with their stages and talents. I love how they can make you feel welcomed and warm with their assurance and love. I love them💎❤️ stan SVT, stan TALENT💎❤️

What do I like bout them??? Definitely, the fact that they're the most obvious proof of 'effort does not betray the result'. Just like what they say, work hard play hard rest hard.

엉엉 우리 세봉이들 해주셔서 감사합니다ㅜㅜㅜ 정말 고생 많이 한 울 세븐틴..ㅜㅜㅜㅜ 앞으로는 꽃길만 걷자 캐럿들이 어딜가든 든든히 바쳐주고 버팀목이 되어줄게 사랑해!

원래 k-pop에는 관심이 없었는데 힘든 시기를 보낼 때마다 세븐틴 노래를 듣고 있더라구요 서로 돈독한 모습이랑 재밌는 모습, 감동적인 모습 등을 보고 매력에 푹~ 빠졌죠! 꽤 늦게 입덕한 만큼 더욱 열심히 좋아해야죠 세븐틴 화이팅! 빛내줄게! 아프지 말고 모두 건강하기를 바라며... 멋진 영상 감사합니다!! +이번 2020.10.19 6 PM에 HOME;RUN이란 노래로 컴백합니다! 이미 티저만 몇 백번 돌려봤당...ㅎ

다른건 몰라도 세븐틴 텐션부터 남다름 무대에서 엠알 제거하면 노래보다 애드립을 더 큰 아이돌

the way she mentioned seventeen "as a family more than group" nd "more than all male idol groups, seventeen members have a particularly strong bond nd give the impression of a real family" YES SEVENTEEN IS NOT A GROUP.THEY R A FAMILY. WE R STANNING A FAMILY.. also when she said "pledis grew bigger because of seventeen"(nd is not the other way around) , it really hit me how much seventeen has worked hard on their own from the start, how they r growing bigger nd bigger, nd how much support nd appreciation svt deserves.. this is such a great video about seventeen

저는 보통 입덕하는 계기가 엄청 흥한 노래가 나와서 유명해지면 알게되고 무대를 보면서 좋아하게 되는데 세븐틴은 정말 세븐틴이라는 그룹도 심지어 그 유명한 아주나이스도 들어본 적 없던 상태에서 우연찮게 유튜브 알고리즘이 세븐틴의 안무 영상 모음집을 추천해줘서 보게되었고 그 이후로 여러 영상들을 찾아보면서 입덕을 인정하게됐어요. 무대 위에서 보여지는 최고의 실력 그리고 무엇보다도 무대에 대한 지독한 열망이 저를 감동시켰어요. 실력있는 가수들도 많고 무대에 서기를 원하는 가수들도 많지만 세븐틴은 그 무대가 없으면 자신들이 존재할 이유가 없다는듯 갈망하는게 보였어요. 그래서 무대에서 죽을만큼 최선을 다하고 그렇게 나온 결과물은 저렇게까지 멋진 퍼포먼스가 아이돌에게서도 가능하구나를 아이돌을 좋아했으면서도 그들 무대에 종종 회의감을 느꼈던 제가 알게해주었어요. 그리고 또 감사하게도 유튜브 알고리즘이 아이돌룸 레전드편 영상을 추천해줬고 무대에서 그렇게 찬란히 빛나던 아이들이 예능에선 한없이 웃기고 바보같고 그 나이 또래 남자애들 같은 해맑은 모습에 계속 즐겁고 행복했으면 좋겠다는 생각이 들었어요. 그 때 정말 답도없이 빠졌구나 생각했죠ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ그리고 찾아보니 자기들이 직접 작사 작곡 안무에 참여하고 수준높은 퀄리티를 자랑하는 자체컨텐츠 회의에도 열성적으로 참여하고 예능도 직접 따와서 출연하기도 하는 등 엄청 다재다능하고 음악을 사랑하는게 느껴져서 또 한 번 감탄했습니다. 실력있는 작곡가분들과 안무가분들의 작품을 소화해내는것도 정말 어려운 일인만큼 가수가 꼭 작사작곡하고 안무를 해야한다고 생각하지는 않지만, 본인들이 앨범에 참여도가 높은 만큼 그 당시의 자신들의 상황과 감정, 생각 등이 그대로 녹아난 앨범은 음악의 성장과 함께 멤버 개개인의 성장도 눈에 보여서 더 훌륭한것 같아요. 무엇보다 자체 제작한다는 그 타이틀을 제치고 본인들이 가장 자랑스러워하는것이 많은 인원수에도 불구하고 모두가 사이좋고 끈끈한 유대관계를 가지고 있다는 점이 정말 부러웠어요. 살면서 자신을 이해하고 함께 걸어갈 수 있는 친구가 12명이라니 이건 내가 사랑하는 가수들이지만 정말 질투날 정도로 부러운 부분이예요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ뛰어난 실력, 무대에 대한 끝없는 갈망, 자신들이 투영된 앨범, 재미있고 센스 넘치는 성격들 그리고 가족같은 관계. 아이돌에게 필요한 것들을 모두 가지고 있고 어느것 하나 소홀히 하지않고 저 모든것들에 최선을 다하는 세븐틴이 인생의 전부라고 말하고, 세븐틴에 자부심 넘치고 늘 자랑스럽다 말하는 모습, 엄청난 연습량으로 닳아가는 반지와 다르게 한번도 닳은적 없는 마음들, 끊임없는 성장, 스스로에 대한 사랑과 서로에 대한 사랑 그리고 그 사랑들을 팬들에게 나눠줄 줄 아는 마음 제가 세븐틴에 입덕하게 된 계기이자 여전히 사랑하는 이유고 앞으로도 사랑하는 이유예요. 저 뿐만이 아니라 많은 캐럿들이 그리고 다른 많은 가수분들의 팬분들께서도 저처럼 신뢰와 사랑 넘치는 덕질하시길 바래요. 케이팝을 사랑하는 사람으로서 항상 많은 가수분들에 대한 애정 넘치는 영상들 잘 보고 있습니다 고생많으세요 앞으로도 영상 잘 보겠습니다. 그리고 10월19일 세븐틴 HOME;RUN으로 컴백합니다 많은 사랑 부탁드려요💖💙

세븐틴은 보컬 퍼포먼스 힙합 모두 빠지지 않지만 무엇보다 너무너무너무 진짜 웃겨요! 진짜아이돌안했으면 개그맨했어

저는 호시 떡볶이 먹고 매워하는거 봐서 너무 귀여웠는데 어느날 무대하는거 보고 또 너무 멋있어서 바로 입덕했습니다......지금은 그냥 호랑이인척하는 햄스터...🐹

솔직히 플레디스 그렇게 많이 유명하지는 않았지만 세븐틴이 진짜 키웠는데, 플디는 세븐틴한테 뭐 혜택도 없고 좀 많이 돌리고 예전에는 인기 확 나면 해외로 돌리고 그러는데 지금 활동하는 뉴이스트나 세븐틴에만 집중해줬으면,,, 굳이 괜한 아이돌 또 만들지말고 관심 퐉퐉 줬으면 좋겠음,,,그래도 플레디스 고소 하나는 인정해줘야 될것 같음 그리고 좀 빡시게 안 돌렸으면 좋겠음 1년에 4~3번은 컴백 하던데,, 몇달 휴가 줬으면 좋겠음.. 그래도 해달라는건 다해주더라, 차 3대 집 2개 그리고 이번에는 차 4대에 집 3개로 바꿔서 좀 좋더라 세븐틴이랑 캐럿이랑 같이 크는게 느껴지니깐 좀 좋고 뿌듯하고 진짜 세븐틴 입덕한거 진심 후회 안하는것 같음. 아이돌 좋아하는거 이렇게 오래 가는적도 처음인듯,,, 세븐틴 평생 좋은 길만 걷고 힘차게 쑥쑥 성장하자 세븐틴 캐럿 화이팅❤️ + 그리고 입덕은 친구가 아낀다 뮤비 보여줘서 입덕 하고 전 세븐틴의 힘들고 기대되는 응원법이 제일 좋은듯...

I became a carat through my sister who's a shawol! I really thank my sister for introducing svt to me. They made me feel home. They make me laugh, they support me in my hardest times with their songs and entertaining content. I liked svt just because of their dancing skills and their family like bond! They are the only ones who could make me smile in my hard times! Thank you svt for making me feel loved, thank you for existing and I will stay with you till the last "say the name". In my 60s I would say "my teen was happy because of seventeen". I will always treasure you SEVENTEEN 💜. Thank you and Saranghae ❤.

입덕계기!친구의 끈질긴 구애(?)로!처음에는 명호가 최애로 자리잡으면서 빠져들었지만 지금은 세븐틴을 좋아할수 있다는거 자체가 기쁘고 좋죠!노래도 좋고,지치지 않고 달리는것도,늘 팬을 소중히 대하는 것도,열정을 담아 사는것도 전부 좋아요!

They need more recognition out of Korea like in USA etc if many ppl can acknowledge svts talent these boys can outshine the current top groups because they are 10/10 in talent no doubt plus they deserve it and can become world class boy group .

I could say I stanned them for their talent and great discography. But honestly I really stanned because of how beautiful their relationship is. They are a family in every sense of the word. They're the huge member kpop group that has been together the longest without a member exiting. And I think that's only possible because they have so much love for their group and their members. Even Cheol once said that Seventeen has something you can't explain. That's 13 personalities, 13 opinions you have to take into account and yet they make it work. What Seventeen has is something close to a miracle. And I am so proud that I stan. 💖

I lost, someone, my grandmother, back in 2013. She introduced me to kdramas and groups so i'm basically a sec gen idol fan. A hard core of the big 3. Then, she died, in a sudden brutal accident - long story short I was to blame for her death, by everyone even in my family, neigbours and her friends. I was, in the state of depress maybe, so lost on what to do or how to go on with life because she took care of me since little. I didn't thank and appreciate her enough for that..... I honestly don't have a single memory after her death cuz i was just, so sad and wanted to just, die. Yeah, i fully stop kpop too and didn't found any interest in things even in my fav sports for two whole years. Sucks cuz I was the school's athlete for archery and missed a lot of opportunities and contests due to that, depression. After two years, it was her death anniversary month, and I just wanted to be alone, trapped in my bedroom and such. Until one day, my aunt barged in and told me to at least watch tv, so yeah i did. I remembered clearly though, SBS, kinda dumb but great series, The girl who sees smell, and yk they sometimes put kpop perf at the end of a drama and such, so yeah, that's how I stumbled upon SVT's debut stage. Ofc, i never heard of them, and don't know a thing bout them but the thing that caught my attention the most was Adore U's brilliant choreo, how tf they are like SJ and even had a member that looked like Heechul and the most absurd thing was they didn't wear ear piece?? How are they singing all of that live??? Esp the main vocals. And DK with 'You are my Angle~', I was like how tf they did that without proper equipment stage. Also, do kpop guys having long hair is still a trend?? Also side note, i really adored Seungkwan at that time cuz yeah, after Shindong, no one was his size. I'm not saying their fat, it's just a rarity to have them. On with the story, yeah, I finally opened my hibernated computer, and yt them all day, got to know more about them and just yeah, fell in love with them. Coming from a small company and scoups who missed the opportunity to debut with Nuest but can sing and rap - i love his singing voice, and two 19 y/o's wrote and choreograph that iconic debut song?! Oh they had so much my respect till now. So that’s how the story went, I was motivated by the 13 of them and start anew my life. Studied and trained harder and just, try to enjoy my life to the fullest. So yeah, I could well enough say SVT made me who I am now. Thank you so much...

Honestly, Seventeen’s relationship with their fans. Back when I first started listening, I didn’t realise how connected they were to us, until I got to the mv for smile flower. Hearing Carats sing the final verse was so beautiful and by the end I was balling my eyes out (this was before I read the English translation of the lyrics). It’s become one of my Comfort songs. They’ve done so much for all of us. They’ve helped me and so many other people in so many ways and I’ll never be able to thank them enough for that. They have taught me to treasure each and every opportunity, they made me feel loved when I thought no one did. So, even though I haven’t been a carat since the beginning. I promise to be one til the end. Til the last “say the name”.

저는 레프트 앤 라이트 때 입덕 했는데요 제가 춤추는걸 좋아해 세븐틴의 래프트 앤 라이트 를 외우려 하는데 그것때문에 멤버들의 이름을 다 외우고 세븐틴에 대해서 알게 되었어요🌟 그리고 고잉 세븐틴을 보며 세븐틴 에게 푹 빠졌고요 지금은 진정한 캐럿 이랍니다💎 10월 19일 세븐틴이 컴백 합니다 타이틀곡 홈런 많이 사랑해주세요👑

세븐틴은 솔직히 데뷔곡 아낀다부터 떴음ㅋㅋ 그 이후로도 꾸준히 성장세고

세븐틴은 이제 제 인생에서 뺄 수 없어요...매일매일이 행복하고 즐거워요! 이번 10월19일 세미콜론 컴백합니다!!

저는 웹드라마 ost를 찾아보다가 노래가 너무 좋아서 계속 찾아보다보니 어느순간 입덕한거 있죠? 진짜 멤버들 음색 난리납니다...ㅠ❤❤

Well for me, i stan them because i feel like they're the only idol that truth with their feeling and it shows in their action. There's a lot that i learn from them like i need to work hard, be happy and take care ppl around me. There's more but i cant say all of them. They're a group that made me think i need to be a better version of myself. P.S: i start to wondering if doyouram is actually a carat lol. The info you got is so accurate.

I fell in love with them first when I saw their 2015 MAMA stage. The dance was so precise, fresh, and complocated but synchronized. Along the way I found them funny and hilarious. and their strong bond always amaze me until now. They dont have official center. Everyone can shine. They divide their part on the song fairly too. I never regret slip into the diamond life for them.

I like how they play like a normal human instead of rich idol star on tv

나는 일단 아낀다에서 윤정한 찰랑찰랑한 그 긴머리때문에 반해서 입덕하게 됐어 근데 빠지다 보니까 세븐틴이라는 그룹이 5주년을 맞이했더라고 그래서 와아 이러고 있었는데 그게 어느세 10년이 가고 15년이 가고 그럴 것 같더라고.. 그래서 내 인생에는 세븐틴 탈덕이 없나봐.. 그걸 할 생각도 없고 물론

They deserve soty, aoty and all kind of awards . Such a talented group is robbed at award shows and music show

I started liking Seventeen because of their music. The lyrics are sensical, the genre per come back is different, the vocals are way out of the ordinary Kpop vibe.

울애기들 19일에 컴백해요!! 많관부 많사부 두유람님채널도 홈런치시길!!!💗💗💗

세븐틴 분들 팬은 아닌데 영상보고 고셉 보면 성격도 착한것 같고 항상 열심히하고 실력으로도 뒤쳐지지 않는 최고의그룹인것 같다...

인원이 13명인데 안무 싱크로율이 남돌중 최고라니.... 너네들 이러니까 내가 사랑할 수밖에 없는거아냐

They are honestly the funniest Kpop group EVER...if you don't believe me then watch their Going Seventeen episodes 😂😂

Seventeen taught us that every achievement should be celebrated. What I love most about them is that they were never the type who builds a gap between them and their fans. And the vibe they have from debut up until now is still there. Plus their songs are all great, their discography is insane and that what's made it more proud! The heart they have for everything they do, their humbleness, and the family they built with us carats will forever be part of our lives 🤧

A little backstory on how I got into Seventeen: so some time last year, I got bored and decided to watch some kpop videos. ( at that time ) Kpop isn't really new to me, but I wasnt a really big fan of it either. When I was in primary school(I’m in sec school now ), I was a huge fan of blackpink . I watched a lot of variety shows for Blackpink because they are so damn hilarious. BUt back then, I was young and I didn't know what being in a fandom or "stanning" a group is. So yeah, last year I got bored and decided to check some kpop videos and one of the groups I checked out was Seventeen. There were a lot of videos I watched: Winner, Twice, Bts(I am a fan of Bts and twice as well but this is for another comment ), a few others. Seventeen stood out to me the most though, I don't know why. Perhaps their songs were more of my style, though I admit at that point the song I genuinely say I did like was “mansae and don’t wanna cry”. I wasn't a carat yet at that point. I just made a note to myself that Seventeen are good. When they released the comeback for don’t wanna cry , that's when I started watching their going seventeen and seventeen project,because boy, these guys are talented. From that point onwards, I can't stop myself and I've eventually reached the black hole of being a carat. I bought their albums.❤️There's no turning back now. I am a full-pledged carat, complete trash for Seventeen. And the first person who even brought me into this fandom is joshua hong ❤️ ( yes ..his my 2nd ult )

I started stanning them when they were trainees and I was still an exo-l and a 13year old little girl. I cannot explain why but I just suddenly love them. It's been 6 years already for me. I was inactive for 2 years because of focusing on studies but I'm back when they released their song "Home" last year. Well, I'm back to my home 💕. I will always and forever be their carat even after the last "Say the name Seventeen" ❤️❤️

Seventeen is the best group ever. In my 10 plus years of following kpop, no other group felt more complete and outstanding than them. It has been 5 years since I started stanning them and that belief still has not wavered one bit.

I fell in love to them because they are just down to earth .. they really love their fans and they never forget🥺❤

사람 많은 그룹 막 좋아하는 사람 아닌데 유일하게 7명보다 많은 그룹 중 좋아하는 그룹이 세븐틴.. 데뷔초처럼 지금도 열정을 보여주고 더 열심히 하는 모습이 보여서 좋아함 데뷔 연차가 쌓이면 좀 설렁설렁할 법도 한데 전혀 그렇지가 않아서 더 좋음

항상 팬들을 사랑해주는 마음이 저는 진짜 너무 감동적이예요ㅠㅠ

우와ㅏㅏ멤버별로 올려주는거 보다가 세븐틴올라온거 보고 바로 달려왔네요!!재밌게 잘 봤구요 시간가는지도 몰랐네요 ㅎㅎㅎ 저는 세븐틴 자체예능 고잉세븐틴을 보고 입덕했다죠 ㅎㅎ오늘도 영상올려주셔서 감사하구요!!남은 오늘 화이팅하세요😊

우리세븐틴 못하는거빼고 다잘하는팀이죠!!

항상 열심히 하고, 13명의 대규모 인원이라도 실력, 외모, 인성, 예능까지 다 완벽해요. 입덕 안 할 수가 없죠

It is so good to see that idols from small companies are getting spotlight... Groups like seventeen and bts which started from the bottom deserve so much more.. They have raw talent... Very soon they will take over the world and we will be proud kpop stans

타팬이지만 아낀다 나왔을 때 후렴구에서 치였더랬죠..ㅎㅎㅎ 걸그룹 멤버 특별출연인가 싶던 정한이가 그니까 내말은 너를 다 알고 싶어~ 하면서 튀어나오는거 보고 우왓 뭐야 존예..?존잘..? 이러던 찰나 세상 뽀짝한 핑크머리 우지가 나와서 너를 노래해 유➡️후↗️ 하는데 진짜 이 팀은 잘됐으면 좋겠다 생각이 들고 지금 대성공한거 정말 대단하다고 생각해요👍👍😆 캐럿분들 파이팅 세븐틴도 파이팅~~!!!

단지 만세 뮤비에 권순영 초록 빙수머리로 뒤로 무궁화꽃이 그거 하나로 지금까지 좋아하고있단말이다!!!!!세븐틴은 그저 빛이야......

처음에는 아주 나이스 노래를 통해 알고만 있었는데 박수 때 에스쿱스가 너무 잘생겨서 그때 부터 반했답니다 ㅠㅠㅠ

They're just really likeable people. They make great music that feels authentic and they make variety content that also feels authentic. They're really good comfort idols. They have music for almost any emotion and almost every type of comfort. And not to mention that they do their best to make others happy and they really try their best to that rock pillar that so many people need. They don't have to and they didn't sign up for that type of job, but they took on that responsibility regardless. I also really appreciate how much they do care for each other. By the way when they all confessed, drunk but a confession nonetheless. They all confessed how it feels nice being with each other and how their wish was never to just stay together and do music because they felt like they had to. They want to continue being seventeen simply for the fact that its something they WANT to do forever. I also think that seventeen never signed up to be role models, but thats who they became. And im glad that they set a very good model as how healthy relationships with the people you love, looks like. That even through fights, people that you call your family are willing to still stick by your side. That loyalty feels so nice to have.

6학년 1학기때까지 아이돌에 대해 전혀 몰랐는데 쌤이 듣고 싶은 노래 틀어준다고 하셔서 한 친구가 아주나이스가 듣고 싶다고 해서 세븐틴을 접하게 되었고 그 뒤로도 애들이 아이돌 얘기를 해서 그 속에 끼어들고 싶어서 저번에 들은 노래가 생각나 무작정 세븐틴 좋아한다고 했죠. 첨에는 단순히 애들이랑 애기하고 싶어서 였는데 알면 알수록 매력 넘치고 자기들이 직접 노래,가사,안무를 만드니 너무 멋있는거예요>

Personally, I was curious about the name of Woozi when I first stumbled across Boom Boom and started watching One Fine Day. It really amazed me how Seventeen can do everything on their own without having much resources. But they survived well, helping one another along the way (plus they are hilarious). And after that, I watched Seventeen project, slipped into the diamond life hard and never looked back. I'm just shocked by their self-producing skills and I highly doubt any other group have that kind of capability. They are able to create nearly everything on their own with some help from their trainer (but they are contributing a lot of their ideas into their creation). This is why I always enjoy their performance as they have passion for the stage they prepared. There's no dance hole. And everyone have a chance to stand out in different songs be it either vocally or in term of choreography. No one is really a "backup" in the team. I never had issues with their line distribution as everyone has the chance to shine one way or another. At different comeback, there's usually one or two members that shines and it's seldom the same as the previous comeback. Plus, regardless of what type of units they have, everyone participate in equal number of songs on the album. Their 3 fixed units and various different units bring more variety to the table and I'm always surprised by them. I seriously enjoy 95% of their songs. I like how their songs bring warmth and talk about their lives and struggle which most people will face in their life. Especially in their last few albums. Their covers of other people songs are not just cover, Seventeen has the ability to recreate the songs to bring something new to the table - Immortal Song. What's most precious about them is their relationship with one another and I feel the I can spend a whole day talking about it. Among the billions people around the world, it's incredible how the 13 of them gather together, work hard together, struggle together to form such a wonderful bond with each other (I'm damn jealous). Till the last Say The Name, I'll always be a Carat supporting Seventeen journey till the end. Ps. It's nice to be a baby Carat now with tons of materials to watch. I've lost count of how many times I watched One Fine Day since Seventeen barely have new shows when I started my journey with them. Just wanted to share my little story :)

세븐틴 입덕포인트는 실력도 실력이지만 잘생긴 개그맨인것도 한부분 차지하는거같아요.. 아이돌룸보고 너무 재밌어서 고잉세븐틴보고 바로 입덕하고 스냅슛 엠카무대보고 기절하고 제 용돈을 그대로 세봉이들한테 그대로 주고있는거같아요 😁 처음에는 방송에서만 보여지는 면을 보고 빠졌는데 소통하고 깊게 파고들수록 얼마나 서로가 끈끈하고 팬들을 사랑하는지 마음을 알게되면서 계속 세븐틴의 매력에 빠집니다 ... 기록이 아닌 새로운 음악을 보여주기 위해서 노력하는 세봉이들 10월19일 Semicolon “home;Run” 으로 컴백하는데 많이 사랑해주세요 ❤️

The thing about Seventeen is that no matter how many groups u listen to u always unknowingly comeback to them coz they make u feel at HOME💎(in my opinion tho✌) SEVENTEEN AND CARATS ONE BIG FAMILY💎 Been stanning them for years already💎 and I will always stan them until the last 'Say the name'💎💎💎💎💎

진짜 세븐틴 너무 대단한거 같음 내가 원래는 진짜 관심 없었는데 열정적이여서 캐럿 됬잖아ㅏㅏㅏㅏ

This is such an amazing video, but I would like to point out that you missed some information. You forget to mention that SEVENTEEN write their own fan chant, and they are training their fans to become Idols with fan chant.

울싶아 2절 들어가기전 승과니가 고음 지르고 고개 꺾고 들어가는 거에 꽂혀서 영상을 보다보니 어느새 13명 모두 덕질을....

Their personalities is a huge plus point in getting people to know about them. For eg. I saw them in Knowing Bros without knowing who Seventeen was,and that episode was one of the funniest episodes of Knowing Bros and that's how I slipped into the diamond life!

First, their self produce title that draws me into Seventeen. Then their family like bond really cemented my love for them. 😍

전 저희오빠들의 무대위에서 보고 아 저런 아이돌도 있구나 하다가 아는형님에서 오빠들 재밌는 모습보고 유튭에 계속 찾아보다가 검색기록 보고 입덕 인정했어욬ㅋㅋㅋ

I heard of them during aju nice era for the first time and i somehow i felt like the song was different from the others. A year later i started stanning them and honestly it's the best decision i've taken, they're hard workers, they genuinely love their fans, their bond is cute, they brought me many friends, they managed to make me feel less lonely, my anxiety is now gone and and most of all they made me realize that music what was i really wanted to do, they're my biggest inspirations. Thanks to them, i learned how to play the piano i'm learning how to play the guitar and also how to compose music. Without svt i'd have never realized what my real goals were. They're also spreading so much good values to us fans, plus the guys are so humble. I love seventeen from the bottom of my heart. The boys deserve the world, i'm really glad i met them. Seventeen makes carats' lives brighter and i wanna reward them back that's why we should support them as much as we can. Btw thanks to you too for making videos about them it can be helpful for anyone that's interested in svt or kpop in general, keep going

안녕하세요 역시 세븐틴 저 진짜 기다렸어요.오늘도 세븐틴에게 빠졌습니다.감사합니다 헤헤

제가 처음으로 좋아하는 그룹이 현 하이라이트(전 비스트)였다가 2014년에 엑소한테 입덕해서 지금 본업이 엑소예요 그러다가 2016년도에 드림콘서트라는 콘서트를 알게 되었고 부모님한테 가고 싶다고 조르다가 결국엔 예매에 성공해서 갔는데 그때 거기에 나왔던 가수가 엑소랑 방탄소년단 등등이 있었어요 엑소가 나올때까지 보고있다가 갑자기 세븐틴이라는 그룹이 나온거예요!!!전 그때 세븐틴이라는 그룹을 아예 모르고 있었거든요 그래서 콘서트 끝나고 집가면서 세븐틴을 검색하면서 갔는데 비록 지금은 순영이(호시)가 제 최애가 되었지만 그때는 아무도 몰랐어요 그러다가 세븐틴의 예쁘다 뮤비를 보고 헐 얘네 되게 멋있다라고 하면서 그때부터 세븐틴한테 입덕하고 입덕 하고 나서부터는 세븐틴 단독콘서트도 가고 매해 열리는 드림콘서트도 가게 되었고요 이건 TMI이지만 작년엔 아는 동생이랑 같이 세븐틴석에 앉아서 세븐틴 나올때 엄청 크게 소리 질렀던 기억이...세븐틴 덕분에 내 인생이 너무 행복해 흉내 낼 수 없는 세븐틴 캐럿 영원하자!!!

Ok here is the story of my journey as a carat😊I wanna share it since I don't have many carat friends around me.... Before that,please excuse my poor english 😆 The story start here... Act I already know kpop since 2012 bcs my friends around me are all talking about it... So I know a few groups like nuest,suju, exo ,infinite and many more... And to my surprise, I even heard about scoups,woozi and hoshi but still didn't know which kpop group they're from.... And at that time, I'm still 12 y/o (I'm 00line)...mcountdown is the first kpop stage that I watch... But then,I stop liking kpop since people around me keep saying all the bad things about kpop,and I as a kid at that time just believe it.... Then I reached 18y/o...and my journey as a kpopers began...it started when I'm entered college and stay in the dorm... And guess what, one of my roommates is an army(at that time,idek what army is since I never care about kpop for years...so idk anything about fandom,tour,vote and even about music).. I'm just clueless 🙂and to my surprise,my classmate too which I often hangout with is also an army.... So you know what happen if your classmate and your roommate are armies?😂 They started to influence me by make me listen to bts songs and wanna one songs(they're also wannable).... As I'm the type that's easily influenced🙂,I've become an army and a wannable... So I know lots of bts and wanna one songs not just tittle track,but also b-side... But I also listen to other group like ikon , exo, suju, and got7...at that time, idek who is seventeen,like I never heard their name as my friends never mention it... As I like wanna one so much at that time, I started to watch produce 101 and download joox to hear their music..AND MY JOURNEY AS A CARAT BEGIN!!! As I watch produce 101, I getting to know about nuest... And when I watch their audition , I become sympathy for them... Then, I heard some of the participants said that only seventeen is able to success while nuest has to go through this... And honestly,since I didn't even know who is seventeen at that time,and also bcs I'm too sad of what is happening to nuest, I started to blame seventeen bcs of what happen to nuest... At that time, I truly thought that the company which is pledis only favour seventeen and put nuest aside.... That thought really makes me mad and upset.... So, I started to search some informations about seventeen as I want to know how good they are that made the company favours them more.... And this is the starting point of my journey as a carat... I started to watch their mv and don't wanna cry is the first seventeen mv that I watch... But at that time, I don't feel anything when I watch the mv and when I read the comments section, I've come across with the word 'carat'.... As I'm curious what does that mean,I ask my roommate which is an army of she knows what is carat.... And to my surprise,she never heard of that name... And when I told her that it's seventeen fandom name, both of us just laugh as in our thought, what a weird name.... So I just ignore it...then when I'm adding bts and wanna one song in my joox playlist(I don't have spotify at that time), seventeen-oh my and thanks comes in the playlist randomly...so I tried to listen to it and what a surprise, I actually love thanks as it really calms me... When I heard thanks, I started to watch the mv and honestly , I'm just in awe with their voices and visuals....in my head,I'm like 'they're so talented,I should check them out more'.... Then, I started to check out their live stages and clap stage at m countdown is the first live stage that I've ever seen from seventeen...AND I'M ONCE AGAIN IN LOVE WITH THEM, NOT BCS OF THEIR FACE OR VOCALS,BUT THEIR AURA ON STAGE... They make me eager to get to know them more and more... Then, I started to watch their variety shows like weekly idol,idol room,and one fine day.... When I watch one fine day, I've found their other attraction which is their bonding among members... Like when I watch their interactions, it's like a family to me and it's make me feel the warmth...the warmth that I've never seen from any group that I've stan bfr....I can't even explain it.... And then, I started to watch seventeen project and as I still new to them, I've never set in my mind to know all their names... Like " I must remember all their name..." That kind of thought never comes across my mind at all...all I want when watching their contents are to enjoy and idc if I didn't know their names,bcs I know that I'll eventually know all of them without I even realize it... And I want to note, when I first watch them, I've never feel intimidated by the number of the members as I thought that it's quite common for a kpop group to have many members like wanna one...and at that time, idk if they're a popular group or not, what I know is they're very talented and deserve the world... When I started to watch seventeen project, I'm really surprised that they're not a bad group that I assumed as the one that cause nuest to face all of the mistreatment...but instead it's all the company's fault for not handling nuest well.... Seventeen is able to survive despite all the mistreatments too as they're self producing idol.... They're producing their own song, makes their own choreography and even promoting themselves to the public...that makes me emotional even if I'm not a carat yet at that time... Their struggle to achieve what they've now and until now, I still mad at myself bcs of all the bad assumptions that I've made to seventeen when I don't even know them .... Truly.. and then, I started to pay attention to them and finally I've officially become a carat on June 2018 during oh my era....and honestly, since I slip into the diamond life that day, I've fallen deeper unconsciously and they've automatically become my one and only kpop group... I'm so into them that I don't even listen to other group anymore, makes me completely forget about bts(I'm sorry bts😢) and wanna one( I'm sorry wanna one😢 and at that time, wanna one haven't disband yet) as I've become a hardcore carat now... And now look at me, I've been carat for 2 years without stanning other group and it makes me happy as I can focus on seventeen only...😊😏😏💕💕💕💕 Wow it's so long, I'm wonder if anyone will read this...well idc as I've already express my inner feelings that I've kept all this while...😏 And to seventeen, there are lots of obstacles in my journey to become a carat, and I'm truly apologise of what I've done to you guys before.... Now I realize that you guys are the real gems that will shine bright wherever you go and us as carats will always support you guys💎💎 Maybe I'm not with you guys since the beginning, but I'll make sure to stay with you guys until the end🥺😊 you guys received all my respects and stanning you guys is the best decision I've made in my life💕💕💕

I think one of the qualities of the group that really drawn me into them is that one does not overshadow the other in performance or irl. Maybe because each members are really unique but blend perfectly with each other. So, it's not a surprise when carats said that they have 1 bias and 12 bias-wreckers it's because of this. Imagine having 13 different charms in a group, that's a lot to choose from or don't choose at all.

There's a lot of sliping-into-the-diamond-life stories in here so I'm gonna tell my story too. I do not have any interest in Kpop until 2018 when my best friend introduced me to Btob (sorry to mention another group's name). She knew I have a quite high standard when it comes to people I will admire. Back then I have this prejudice that Kpop groups only lipsync on stage because there is no way they can sing while dancing. That's just impossible for me before. But my best friend showed me a live performance of BtoB and seeing that they are really skilled vocally I decided to dig in. I was totally focused on them when I accidentally played the Don't Wanna Cry MV. I was like 'Wow that's some great dancing skills' and then I watched the Boom Boom MV after and I was like 'this song is catchy'. I regret not stanning them that time because I have this habit of setting my eye on just one thing and not minding others. But BtoB became inactive due to members joining the military and I don't have a group to follow. I explored the Kpop World but all the groups I came to love are either disbanded, Wanna One, UNB, Madtown, or inactive like Super Junior. Up until August last year I don't have a proper stan and when I finally had one they disbanded five months after their debut due to some enraging reasons. I thought I would stop being a Kpop Fan then, but my college friend soon noticed that I am into Kpop. She told me "why don't you go check out Seventeen" and I was like "Who are they?" and she proceeded on telling me how talented they are and how they deserve more attention. The one thing that really got me interested is the 'Self-producing Idol' title so soon as I got into my dorm. I searched them up. How shocked I was when I realized that I have a SVT Video in my Saved in RU-vid. It was their 2x speed dance of Don't Wanna Cry. I remembered being extremely impressed that I watched almost a thousand times already. How stupid I am not to dig more into them. They also have a guesting in Knowing Bros which is my favorite Kpop Variety Show and that one was so funny and entertaining, Seungkwan and DK's performance, Woozi's clarinet, Perf Unit's Dance Break was all so impressive. One of the very first videos of them I watched is their Kindergarten skit on one of their concerts and that is so hilarious!! But what really made me love them so much after knowing them is their personality, their humility and respect. Moments when they where seen supporting the LGBT Community (even if I am not a member, I think) , their constant reminder to love yourself and continue chasing your dreams. Everything in SVT is so admirable. I love them so much. They help me get through hard times that I would not mention because this comment would be 2x longer and I just got a VLive Notif of Mingyu's Lunch Time I think so I'mma finish it here. All in all, I love SEVENTEEN!!

전 데뷔전팬인데요 연습생때 애들이 연습하는걸 라이브해줄때 되게 귀여운 애들이네 하고 보면서 프로필 찾아보면서 얘도 귀엽고 쟤도 귀엽고 그러다가 매력에 빠져버려서 그러다가 데뷔한다는 소식 듣고 얼마나 기쁘던지 마치 내 자식 같은 심정이랄까요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

When speaking of why I Stan SEVENTEEN, the FANDOM MUST be included!!