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Omg I saw this comment right at 25 mins!😂

I saw you! 😊

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Kool.

I remember when I was about 2 or 3, my mom took my ice cream away from me and I threw a tantrum.

Me and my sisters aren't allowed to use tampons we only use pads.

​@@tinmanlover1994 You can get TSS while using pads as well.

​@@StephInOttawa wow didn't know that. I change my pad very often when I go to the bathroom

My parents never spoke about sex or puberty, either.....that era was like that. However, I recall when this happened....my FATHER was the one who made sure he sat down with me and my sisters to warn us of what was happening and how to make sure we knew how to protect ourselves! He kept us informed of the news reports and what the experts were recommending! I remember being surprised because my father was a very reserved man and never spoke of things that he felt were my mother's job. But when it came to keeping his children safe, he'd do whatever was needed to make sure we were educated. They were wonderful parents.

They literally teach this in school in sex Ed. Ur kid just doesn't listen.

@@narutardad I don't have kids

​@narutardad this was NEVER taught when I was in school. We didn't even have health class until senior year

thank you so much for pointing out the name of that tampon i had a stroke with memory loss and it was really driving me crazy to remember that name plus i worked at the store in the 80s so we removed the products from the shelves upon learning of this new problem 😮😮

The warning is still there today, and for good reasons

Started in the early 70’s

My name is Nicola Ruth Todd. I agree with you, serendipity perhaps?

@@AussieBrit Definitely! Nice to meet you! Just out of curiosity, are you a UK Todd or a US Todd? Or somewhere else? It's quite a rare (and fun) event for me to meet another one!

@@ruthtodd6022 Well, my maiden name is Nicola Ruth Dutton which is English. My married name is Nicola Ruth Todd. My husband is half Japanese and half Australian, his father's name is Todd, so I guess it's an Aussie Todd, so technically, I am not a Ruth Todd per se but I definitely identify more with the UK rather than the US.

@@ruthtodd6022 me too! I was very leery about tampons after this!

I remember those classes about TSS. The medical authorities in Illinois used to blame it on tampons.

I must be one of the few ppl who grew up in the 1990s that didn't know about it. Then again, I never liked/used tampons so it was never actually relevant to me.

I was 15 and remember it too. I used to buy the American magazines, especially 'Teen' so I knew what this was.

So did I, I was shouting at them to ask.the girls or their Mums about whether the girls and Women used Tampons.

I never used tampons i used only hygenic pads my mom told me about that when i started my period when i was twelve

Me too. I actually got TSS it took forever to get well.

@@dominiquepilon5764....Domi, I never had any problem with tampons....thanks God I don't have a vagina..... what a complicated thing. It is only good for men.

This is the most interesting discussion I have ever stumbled across.

Did they not notice that the tampon hadn't come out? You should be able to just reach up and pull it out when the string detaches.

I remember this too-and not being able to understand how you could forget and insert a second one.

whats the brand name

​​@@caroline61804 the high absorbant ones they put a warning label on all brands...

Staph, NOT Streptococcal infection

I never liked tampons in the first place. I actually only learned about TSS in my 20s because of that.

I remember this from when it happened also. I didn’t use tampons so it wasn’t an issue for me, but my younger sisters were another story. Mom refused to buy tampons for us for a long time.

By the 90s when I was in school, NONE of this was ever talked about. The only time we when talked about sex was in health class, senior year. We never talked about menstruation, consent, toxic shock. None of it.

Same, its pretty enlightening to see how we handeled pandemics before compared to now.

ive written one

This video reminds me of the covid 19

yikes right? to think if it was possible that some could have been saved if only removing the tampon. Although I'm not sure that's how it works

@@cheery-hex No, that's not how it works. Once you have the infection, that's it. Taking out a tampon wouldn't stop it in its tracks since it has migrated through the blood to other organs. I don't think any of the women were wearing tampons for an entire cycle, and I'm fairly sure the doctors would have had female nurses remove tampons if they found them in their patients. If they had tested the removed tampons at the time, they may have gotten on top of it more quickly, but that's hindsight and hindsight is 2020. :/

They must change it frequently, like every 6 hours or so. Also, some persons had forgotten to remove it at the end of their period.

Can't believe it says to change tampons every 8 hours. No sir, every 4 hours sound more hygienic.

@@diannekalk481 WRONG!!!

Yeah, it really comes down to personal preference for most ppl (or allergies for some). I could never stand tampons and always used pads. I still hated how they made me feel like I was wearing a diaper. Once I discovered cloth pads? I never bought a disposable pad again! Weirdly menstrual cups don't bother me either.

Yes, absolutely! Haven't watched the whole show, but I believe the link was made between the super absorbent ones/not changing them often enough and TSS. I never knew any girls/women who got TSS, even as a longtime resident of the city where it all seemingly began. I did take it seriously when informed about TSS as an adolescent.

The very reason my mother wouldn't let her girls use tampons.

I had TSS in the 1980s and it was painful as well as dangerous. Luckily for me, I caught it very early and was never hospitalized. Edit: I went to my OB/GYN first and that's why I was recognized early. Too many females ignore the early symptoms. Got educated on it and learned how to avoid it.

I hated tampons the whole time I menustrated. I haven't had a cycle in four years but I will never forget the terrible feeling when I was fifteen years old. I cramped enough during that time of the month and PMS was horrible. Now I'm experiencing hot flashes and that's worse than my cycles. When will menopause ever end?!

Indeed!! I just finished posting my own comment about how I remember the warnings on tampon packaging, but only after reading YOUR comment, can I actually appreciate that those warnings are only there because someone out there had TSS and the doctors didn't know what or why, and that girl likely suffered! So, thanks to them for playing that brave role!! 😇😊😏

I am not even from US. I was there as an exchange student in early 1990s. I have never used and still won't use tampons of any brand. I never heard of this either as I haven't looked at set boxes - I just don't like the idea of having something up there... lol while bleeding. Anyhow still, as I listened to this story - the moment they said the women were all having periods - I asked myself - ok was that pads or tampons they used - cause bleeding down there is 'injury enough' for infection get in - I mean that the situation makes you sensitive already, never mind that the skin down there is no less easy to infect than your throat being of equal type, per say. No, I am not health care professional of any kind or even anything to do with that stuff or meds or pharmacies. Anything close to anything I got on my back ground is my mother having been biochemistry teacher, so I understand a bit how things can spread, I figure. Anyhow - the reason I focused on the pads or tampons instantly at that point is because I order some of that kind of stuff in mail order and one time I had a box arrive totally mangled up and they had literally stuffed the contents into a new box - including the individual pads that had gotten walked and driven over by something and someone. That all wen't instantly to trash and I obviously complained at their treatment of the box. But yea - just having seen the state of that box had me swiftly, watching this video, think how easily something like that could get contaminated somehow, if it got in touch with something that should not be part of the whole production or say storage and transportation of the product - or even just the boxing or packing part of it. People going ill to work not taking care of hygiene and spreading bacteria on what they touch. Even just seeing rats run on the devices handling the stuff would be reason enough to make me worried. Say someone sneezes, the stuff lands somewhere, a kid touches the surface and put's his hand in the mouth - we all know how path like that can work - and it won't exist very long cause sunlight and cleaning usually kills stuff like that off. But then there are illnesses that spread out of moll our mouse droppings, within the dust of a space and those things last longer. And those are then what turn into the problem. What hangs out longer or just remains viable within specific conditions, like boxed in darkness or such. Or require heat to re-activate, like body heat.

I remember when this happened. I was actually using the brand of tampon that started it all. I was very lucky that I did not become sick. This was a scary thing.

@@Msviolet65 I just got a shiver up my spine reading your words. I stopped using tampons at all for over a year before I went back to the convenience of them.

Right? Like, once doctors discovered the menstrual connection, why didn’t they do a full reproductive exam? Wouldn’t they have discovered patients with tampons still in them? It would have been immediately apparent.

Thankfully, I rarely used tampons. But that is what I was suspecting as I watched the video, that the doctors never thought to remove the tampons still in place, which is why the patients kept getting worse.

Leila Pereira .

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Me too.

It's a trip

Cas Landry I’m impressed with your knowledge. And thanks for sharing. I’ve never seen a case in the ER as an attending, but I remember this happening as a student, and I think they attributed it to over-absorbent tampons, but never knew the final solution. I don’t know if I would ever have come to the conclusion that this horrific infection would occur because of tampon efficacy.

Thanks for explaining it for people as I don't believe the younger generation understands how really serious this is. You don't have to be a female to get toxic shock syndrome. It can happen in other ways and men have died of it who had some form of surgery etc. and the packing material used for the surgery such as a sinus or tooth surgery can cause this so you have to be very careful and follow medical instructions to the letter when it comes to absorption materials and the changing of them as well as how much you need. One of the biggest dangers we've seen is when people have self treated a wound at home that really should have been seen in the ER or doctors office for proper wound treatment. By the time usually a male who does not like to come to the medical office gets into the office they are beginning to have trouble. Luckily we've usually been able to stop it before it progressed to an emergency stay in the hospital. But men will be men like my father who cut his knee open with a chainsaw drove 2 hours home instead of going to the closesthospital, luckily mom called an ambulance as he was practically out of blood he was white & she'd asked for some friends to help transport him him to the hospital. They looked at him and said no you need an ambulance The ambulance got him there just in time. He had to have surgery and he had a cast from his hip to his foot. Of course the doctor thought he was going to stay home from work. He didn't he trimmed the cast so he was able to drive his truck, went to work everyday & three weeks later when the doctor said well we can fix this cast now so that you'll be able to drive and go to work. My father said oh I've been going to work everyday! Dad said the doctor practically fainted. He couldn't believe my dad had been that stupid I'm sure. But that was my father he didn't believe in taking days off.

Thank you for your information. As an ER/OR Xray Tech for 35 years I became interested in toxicology after retirement and obtained a degree in that field. That progressed to other studies, (I am an eternally curious person), but since last December I have, as many others have, been investigating all I can find out about virology. As the Covid-19 pandemic progresses immunology will be the critical step in trying to manage the disease so as to release people to return to their jobs and other pursuits. I don't know where you are in your studies but you may find yourself practicing your trade sooner than you ever expected. Good luck to you.

Holly Rockwell-Celerier Thought I’d jump in and get your opinion on Covid 19. ( a great source in RU-vid about latest studies and pathophysiology is a channel called Medcram). In Ohio where I practice, pharmacies now prohibit any scripts for HCQ from being filled without a positive RT-pcr test. Did you know the sensitivity of that test is as low as 60%? (Medcram podcast 42) And recently with testing done on almost everyone on a naval ship, 60% of positive individuals had absolutely no symptoms. I am extremely upset that the Pharmacy board has usurped its authority and is actually practicing medicine without a license. Since medical intervention seems to do better when started early, the diagnosis should be left to the clinical suspicions of the doctor, not only for the reasons mentioned, but testing availability is poor. Even the county health department was unable to tell me where to send patients for testing. Perhaps the biggest problem in gathering any semblance of accurate data is the lack of testing and the lack of a good test. You have no idea how lethal this thing is without a reliable denominator. Anyway, I’m venting here so thanks for listening.

@@kkdoc7864 they do the same crap when denying to fill scripts for pain medication. Someone needs to slap the shit out of them.

I'm in my 60's too. Never could use tampons; they aggravated my already severe cramps. I remember when toxic shock syndrome was happening with the super absorbent Rely brand.

Well, then let people know how to not get it. Like, maybe, don't use tampons after that, wear real gloves and respirator when working with wood/mulch, and ? Want to share your intelligence, but it ends there. Please stay out of patients' actual care and rooms.

Mine would say "if God had intended you to use it, he would have given it to you before you were born!" Guess we could apply it to just about everything we do.

She possibly also had a tilted uterus.. tampons and menstrual cups dont work.. only pads

@@annaoddi2257 I wasn't born with clothes on, so I guess our town's resident nudist has it right after all. 😜

I have always had very heavy periods as well and I absolutely hated tampons. Pads all the way at least until I discovered menstrual cups. But even then, I would often use pads when I was feeling lazy. I'm so glad I'm on Depo now. Not having periods is amazing! I did learn recently that one of the most common reasons for heavy menstrual bleeding is having a thicker than normal endometrium (lining of the uterus). The endometrium is shed with every period, so if the lining is that much thicker the flow will be that much heavier/longer.

TSS has been on tampon boxes for 30 + years

I remember when this happened, and I'm from NJ. It happened to a classmate of mine, who was one of those involved in everything, going in a million different directions, kid. In fact, i was one of the few girls that I knew of that actually didn't use tampons! Advertising had really sold us a bill of goods about 'put it in and forget it'!!! This was there supposed solution and promoted being inconvenienced by gender.

I think it was the specific type of tampon that was made and sold by proctor and gamble....(by a man) how do you expect a woman to wear the same tampon for the duration of her period for criste sakes and nothing happen to her.... 😳🙄😡

@@amandacollins1888TSS isnt a new discovery & Ive never heard of ANY tampon marketed or suggested to be used for the duration of a period. Everyone knows theyre to be changed frequently otherwise you run the risk of TSS. Warnings have come with tampons for as long as I can remember.

This case took place in 1979. So its definitely not a new discovery.

It's a fine line to walk, doctors shouldn't discount periods as they may have some impact on an illness. But they also shouldn't discredit everything someone is going through and just pin it on periods

Um, it's going to depend on the complaint/reason a person is going to the hospital in the first place. And generally speaking, before giving AFABs any meds, they test for pregnancy anyway. It's happened every time I've gone to the ER for something - asthma, migraine, food poisoning, heart palpitations, etc

Especially now that there are so few health detectives per capita in the population!! Just look at how the USA reacted to the Covid epidemic!! Some counties' death & ICU rates were as bad as 3rd world countries!!

😢 cyl742 and not for the BETTER. The computer now artificial intelligence, the human race, if NUCLEAR WAR does not come, is finished. Thank God I was born many decades ago. No one will be allowed to be human in the future.

The manufacturer then was unaware of the problem, and no warnings were in place.

Just hoping that the manufacturers are honest enough to inform. They wait for several deaths/lawsuits, unfortunately.

This is what led to the cautions and warnings about toxic shock syndrome and tampons... Did you even watch the video???

@@mksabourinable no it's not, there were warnings on boxes long before

A Super Maxi pad with a super tampon should do the trick.

It's been happening 30 + years

Nerys Ghemor same

Because it is interesting. Pandemic doesn’t change it but it has made me so much more aware.

I find it fascinating how the doctors and CDC reacted in those days as compared to the present.

I love this show. I love learning about illnesses and how people handle outbreaks. I’ve loved watching stuff like this for most of my life. I even read books about pathology and epidemiology for fun. I’m weird ;)

I love this stuff! It's educational.

Frequent tampon changes is all that’s required.

​@@annamarielewis7078 Funny how this article never once spoke about frequent changing the tampons as this is the issue with the massive g + overgrowth of bacteria. People were wearing more than a day and using more than one and never changing them. Being careless can have dire consequences.

It's easy for the string to slip up, also having sex can push it up. It happened to me and thankfully, my gyni caught it early. I was beginning to have a discharge.

This happened in 1979 and was the first time toxic shock syndrome was diagnosed.

You suppose to change every time you go to the bathroom

I used tampons for 30 years until menopause. I never had one issue with them.

@@Aiijuin I'm glad you never had any issues. If I existed back when this started I'd need the super absorbent ones. I have only ever used pads. They're uncomfortable, but I won't forget to change those.

I have never used tampons, for this very reason! Tampons are so dangerous!

@@eileenmiller4668 You aren't supposed to change them every time you use the bathroom - that sounds like something tampon manufacturers has said to make you use like 20+ tampons a day instead of like 4! As someone who used tampons for 15-ish years before switching to reusable period underwear, I can't understand how people can forget about their tampons. If you are using the correct absorbency, it should basically start to leak when it needs changing, so when you go to the toilet, there is either a mark on your underwear/panty liner or on the toilet paper when you wipe. And then you change it. Tampons are actually not that dangerous. 2/3 people die per year from TSS in the entire world, but 1.35 million people die as a result of road traffic deaths and yet no-one has an issue with cars or being on the roads. www.edana.org/how-we-take-action/product-stewardship/toxic-shock-syndrome www.who.int/data/gho/data/themes/road-safety

Yep. I am right.

Zoe Parker wow amazing

Was my first thought, too. I lived through this time period and was 20 in 1979. Stop using tampons when this became big news. Never got sick, but it was a big concern at the time.

Funny, me too. A few minutes after she had been admitted. Toxic Shock Syndrome, then proceeded to chirp the video for the next 20 min. Guess we read the insert and listened well in health class.

I thought the same, I was in grade 12 at the time and remember this well

Toxic shock is still a thing that can happen its a deadly bacterial infection from using tampon or pads even. It still happens. It has nothing to do with how absorbable the tampon is

And it technically actives a fever so half wrong

Julie Maggio It was directly tied to the absorbancy and material they used. I assume you wrote this comment before watching the video. TSS can happen in other instances but far far more rarely that was caused by the features mentioned.

@@Springtime562 Fever is not the same as flu. Flu is a contagious disease caused by the influenza virus.

@@juliemaggio1246 It most certainly has to do with absorbency. That is why after this happened super absorbent tampons were actually *banned* for a while. Now they're allowed again but with warnings. Before the super-absorbent tampons were released, TSS had never been identified. No doubt it existed in other situations, but suddenly, people were suddenly presenting to emergency all over the country with severe (deadly) illness, and the only thing they had in common is that they were using the new super-absorbent tampons. These absorb so much moisture that they damage the tissues and give bacteria a way in. That is why doctors all advise to use the smallest/lowest absorbency tampon for your flow. It is also why there has yet to be a TSS case seen with non-absorbent menstrual products like menstrual cups. Not saying there's no risk, but we know for a fact that higher absorbency means higher risk. This is very important to know and misinformation shouldn't be spread.

@Darwinsmom Many people didn’t survive, but the “species” humans thrived, supposedly when there was food. Infectious diseases killed many people. Best wishes from Sweden🇸🇪

Because not everyone got sick and/or not everyone died? Even with the Black Plague where estimates say something like 40-50% of the European population died out, that still leaves 50-60% of the population that survived. Yes, it took awhile for the population to recover and even more ppl died from starvation - not because there wasn't food but because they weren't where the food was. Food literally rotted in the fields because there wasn't anyone around to harvest it, let alone send it to market to be sold. TSS in particular was a problem specifically related to a product that these women were using. People that didn't use that product never got sick. And ofc, we know exactly what caused it now - tampons that were left in too long and bacteria started growing. That's why there's warning on tampon boxes now. So I honestly don't know what you're talking about with "modern medicine cannot resolve incidents like these" - modern medicine did figure it out and while they couldn't save everyone, they did save a lot of lives. And if someone comes in today with these symptoms, they know exactly how to treat the person. But no, our medicine can't always save us. My partner has renal disease. He's already had one kidney transplant and it lasted him 2 years longer than the doctors expected. Now he's back on dialysis and waiting for another kidney. My partner's mother also had renal disease, but she wasn't eligible for a kidney transplant due to her overall health as well as her age. She was on dialysis for years before she died (inoperable blood clot). Modern medicine has its limits and I don't think I've ever heard anyone say otherwise.

I disagree. Most of us know that doctors are not gods and the medicines have side effects that can maim or kill you. A little common sense like (change your tampon now and then) might be the thing that saves your life. Why do people have to be told that?

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Think about it... Who were the doctors in the 80’s? Plus I know it seems like common sense to us, but this was the first of it’d kind....

@@JesusSavesTheDay96 No, tampons have been around and widely used in the US since the 1930s. The new part was these ones were "super absorbent" and said you could leave them in for 6-8 hours instead of the 2-4 hours that had previously been standard. And it was leaving the tampons in for so long that allowed the bacteria to grow and cause TSS.

@@rationallyruby What really surprised me was that there were a number of women doctors and experts featured in this documentary as working on this particular case. Once the connection to menstruation had been made, why didn't they think to ask what menstrual products the women were using? It's the first question I would have asked. Well, I suppose I've got the luxury of hindsight and all that, so that might not be completely fair. And ofc there's the fact that many of these patients likely still had the tampon inside them.

Ofc it was 🤦

Johnson & Johnson 😅

I never used tampons because of tss, I was 14 in 1976 and had my period. I was so scared to use tampons so I just never used them. And I preached to my daughter when she started her cycle. She did use tampons though unlike me. She still uses them to this day.

When your temperature goes above 101 you are supposed to go to the hospital. High fevers can cause permanent brain damage.

Glad you survived this!

Plus you can always use a pad as a backup for nights, long shifts and so on.

Because you use them correctly they didn't

I usually use one or two tampons a day. In combination with a pad because sometimes leaks. When it leaks I change the tampon. Tampon are damn expensive and Im not going to waste more than two maaaaybe 3 a day. I stop using them when the flow is very very insignificant and I know is ending. But more times than once I was surprised by a 'period ending' not really ending and found out a The Shinning scene on my undies like at the 6th day lol

Also I know what i am doing is unhealthy but where I live you have to give a kidney to buy tampons. We don't have many options, maybe 3 brands and are expensive af. Tampons are so much safer now. I am NOT saying that you should do what I do. In fact if you can afford it and they are kind of cheap do the no more than 8 hs thing lol but trust that tampons are safer than ever. I under stand if you are persobally not confortable but if it s from a place of fear... It s so so rare to get TSS even doing what I do. So doing it better it s even more rare

@@inesar1993 Yeah I get whatcha mean. I'm just paranoid that it will happen to me lol. And as I said, I can be a forgetful person at times XD

OUCH!!!

Brand new formulation for the tampon. Watch the L-Tryptophan episode.

Same! I knew they could caulse toxic shock but never the symptoms! Definitely makes me think those organic tampons arent so silly.

@Dominic hahahahaha 🤷 probably right

Christina Haug how did u know

They posted this to capitalize on our coronavirus attention.

I was thinking the same lol .

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I thought the same thing

A retroverted uterus was not the reason for your discomfort, you were simply inserting the tampon incorrectly. I would have changed my doctor if he pedalled that rubbish to me.

@@AussieBritno Honey. That was over 50 years ago and I'm sure the designs have changed. But no the scientific and medical fact...insert something man-made inside your body or on your body and there's always a chance of infection or an adverce reaction. I carry an Epi-Pen for bee and wasp stings, same for my daughter and granddaughter. I got a chemical face scrub from OxiClean and days later after all the swelling went down and skin stopped peeling I had really nice looking skin for a while. But I don't recommend it, it was horrible to go though. I can't wear any kind of makeup because slits for eyes makes it hard to see. Even prescription medications can cause life threatening reactions. Point is, you don't know with a 100% certainty all safety and sanition regulations are completely followed. Plus different bodies react differently.

That and wound dressings.

Medication was not the cause it was keeping tampons in too long

I'm about the same. Was in the 80s when I started my periods.I wasn't Lucky enough TO be able to NOT change tampons every 3-4 hours! I was always a Super, Maxi Woman... Super tampons, Maxi pads...

You must have changed them frequently as instructed according to the new labeling that came about after this situation.

"Something alien"? I have never, ever placed a xenomorph inside my body.

I used tampons all the time and every time I went to the bathroom I changed

Thanks for saying the brand. It's important for us that we talk about greedy corporations who put profit over people.

@@ritamariekelley4077 Why do you automatically think the corporations are greedy? Women were getting toxic shock syndrome from ALL brands of tampon! The corporations don't come to your house and shove the tampons up you ffs!

They can all give you TSS

@@ritamariekelley4077 all brands can be harmful not just certain brands.

@@mollyhorse very well said your the only one making sense.

I'm glad you're still here.

u didnt sue the tampon manufacturer?

Never even thought about it, at the time, maybe if it were now, might have.

Yvonne Poe never heard of this brand before, probably discontinued.

That was the brand that came out around the time I and others used them, I personally new 3 that used them and also became ill, I was so sick, never been that sick ever again,They said if I had delayed coming in by one day, I would have died, never wore another one.