Perez is a below average driver. He has the fastest car and can’t even consistently break the top 5. Max crashes, gets a flat tire and still finished ahead of him
nothing is stopping the fia to change the regulations and put v10s in modern cars. vettel prooves that 0 emmissions racing is very doable even without electric engines.
@@the4GIVEN F1 are just getting into E fuels for 2026, not to mention the 2026 regs being heavily influenced by huge manufacturers. But yes the chance of the hybrid system being removed has become more likely. Give the teams some years with Efuels first and see how it goes, they need to test the waters before going all in
@@purwantiallan5089 2004 F1 cars in conventional low downforce trim didn’t top out at 400kph lol it was more 360-365kph You’re thinking of the one off BAR car that was a “legal” f1 car at the salt flats but in a configuration no one would ever run
I love the new self-leveling cameras they’ve begun to use because it has that higher FOV. I’m starting to see F1 broadcasts showcase more speed rather than sponsors and it’s been great :)
@purwantiallan5089 2024s engines are heavily restricted due to the fact they have to last. That old v10 was tuned turned up to the maximum. Today's engine are quicker
@@joaovictorramos5582 they would drive a tractor to the limit even if it is boring. But this cars seems like they are glue to the floor, old ones feels like they are almost floating. Just look at the videos man.
@@aswadsaswad1759 Because they have 20+ years of development over the the v10s. If you develop these v10s with todays technology they would blow these vacuum cleaners out of the water.
@@tomsoyer5639 no they wouldn't... the rpm limit for these v6 hybrids is 15,000 however, the actual limit is around 12,000. why? because of excessively lean fuel at higher rpms. why? because the regulations state that there is a maximum fuel flow rate which did not exist to hamper the v10s at the time. can you imagine if the v10s had the same fuel flow limits as the v6?
Drivers conserve energy during the race, in quali they set the MGU-K to hotlap mode which takes all up the energy in one lap but it makes the car even faster
F2004 is still a joy to watch and listen being a Schumacher fan I enjoy it more with Michael of course. The cars look like they’re on a knives edge it’s fun to watch. The onboards have a better sense of speed it’s great.
Also keep in mind that the track has been resurfaced in 2018 with 3sec improvement from 2017(also different tyre compounds and cooler conditions). Before that catalunya was infamous for a very low-grip asphalt.
It's crazy that despite being over 3 seconds slower, the footage of the F2004 *LOOKS* so much faster than the SF-24 That's really what we need, the appearance of speed, even if the cars are in reality slower
The modern cars suffers from being too stable. Despite being slower the 2004 era of cars looks demonic compared to the mundane on-the-rails cars of today. The sound also helps giving the impression of a true monster ready to gobble up anyone not ready to put their life on the line
@@kenlykkeslett7501 not quite actually, the FOV camera on those V10s makes them appear fast, also the small size of the cars allows for more landscape to get into the footage frame, i mean with a wide enough angle cam, even my father's ford focus looks fast
@@haohan5082 pretty sure they haven't changed lens angles on the mounted cams. I think it's the frame rate and resolution that makes the difference in perceived speed
Very nice comparison to see F1 cars 20 years apart. The camera zoom on F2004 is much better for speed feel. But actually F2004 is NOT a qualy car it can't even warm up his tyres properly for that 1 qualy lap. Race pace give a better perception of the difference between this 2 cars: Leclerc FL 1:17,897, Schumy FL 1:17,450.
@@purwantiallan5089 Ferrari's will be competitive at Austria, Las Vegas, Singapore and Azerbaijan... But if they actually pull off those wins will be another story.
The fact that they had to qualify with race-fuel is actually more significant for the 2004 then it would be for the 2024 car (ignoring refueling for a moment). Because they are heavier anyway and have more down-force means an extra 50kg (just an example) has less impact now than it had back then.
f2004 with modern slicks wouldn't change much as the 2004 tires had more grip than the current ones due to the tire war although You could transform the 2004 tires into slicks, making slick tires with the same 2004 compounds
Adding slicks would ruin the balance of the car, the 2000s also had a major tyre war which meant the grooved tyres were much more developed than the current slicks of today, ferrari basically had tyres specifically designed for their car.
dont know why everyone throws that narrative around. its actually pretty disrespectful to the tyre manufacturers back then who were locked in a tyre war to produce the absolute best tyre in the world. while a slick would obviously provide more grip than that of a grooved tyre, that is true only if the tyres are identical bar the grooves (slicked pirelli). these grooved tyres were strong enough to last an entire race and allow a driver to push flat out the entire race... nowadays we have pirellis that sometimes disintegrate before a full push lap is finished.
@@goomerpyle6005It's not disrespectful. It's just a fact that on single lap slicks are better and give better times. I think Alonso showed a couple of years ago how fast cars from that time are on slicks.
Not the best thing to mention the F2004 had no DRS, it had its own benefits like traction control, 10 cylinders, weighed up to 200Kg less than SF24 and revved up to 18Krpm or a bit more...Best to just compare the packages as a whole and not nit pick...
Luckily for the listeners the F2004 was able to mostly drown out the SF-24 in one key area, and we even got to listen to it alone for an extra 3.2 seconds.
I think they should get rid of those stripes of astroturf or concrete or whatever they place beyond kerbs. It encourages drivers to place the kerb underneath the car rather than under the tyres and leave no margin on track limits.
The slick tires on the F2004 alone would make up for the time difference. People rarely give credit for how much the tires held the cars back in the 90s and 2000s. You can’t beat good old fashioned mechanical grip.
It was bigger changes than just the tires the cars also got smaller overall and additional safety features added The 1998 cars was defo slower than 1997 and the 1999 cars were even slower due to the sport going to the control tire ruleset for 1999-00 (one tire make series slows down the cars) A lot of lap records set in 1997 weren’t broken till 2001 when the tire wars came back
See you in Austria! Looking forward to seeing Charles and Carlos bounce back strong! ✨ We need to work together as a team! Come on guys! Forza Ferrari! 💪🇮🇹🐎
I'd be curious to do this same comparison but with fastest race laps instead of qualifying. I have a feeling it would be much, much closer. With modern cars having to carry enough fuel for the race they are massively slower than qualifying times. 2024 pole was 1:11.3 vs 1:17.1 fastest race lap. 2004 pole was 1:15.0 as shown in the video, but fastest race lap was 1:17.45.
@@MechaporcoOFICIAL Yes, it's quite impossible for modern cars to end up on the track with almost empty tank. I hear they finish the race with at least half a tank of fuel. True story.
Alot of 2000s cars still hold race lap records i think, mp4-20 still holds the race lap record for Bahrain. I don’t expect those to be broken anytime soon due to the lack of refueling limiting these new cars to be heavier during the races.
@@srthebox4946 It's not actually a lot. Monza, Bahrain and Shanghai are the only ones I can think of. Everywhere else the record was beaten in 2019 or 2020.
Funny how they went to the chicane for “safety” but now it’s back with tecpro and the cars are faster than ever! I’m starting to doubt these claims about what is safe and what isn’t!
I wonder if the SF-24 could nearly do T9 flat out, could the W11 with the same medium downforce setup do it flat out? We’ve seen it go flat out at that corner before but I can’t tell the setup they went for.
Kinda wish F1 would adopt an areo screen like indycar instead of halo virtually the same thing. But f1 wants to be known as the first in tech just like with the 360 cameras
no surprise on such a downforce intensive track. the real logical, evened out comparison would be: f2004/v10: +slicks, +drs, -tc or more easily f2004/v10: +slicks, -tc sf24/v6th: -drs this accounts for features of the car that are pure advantages and accessories that dont fully constitute the formula. also need to be on equal tracks. many of the new records were set on new surfaces, different finish lines, reprofiled turns, expanded curbs and runoff etc
Buongiorno, sono 2 paragoni assurdi! Quella di schumaken è una macchina del 2004 praticamente 20 anni prima e poi ha le gomme scolpite!!! Se avesse solo le gomme slig...credo ché avesse fatto minimo il stesso tempo!!!
In the 15 years since the last championship( the constructor one in 2008) Ferrari most of the times got worse in the second part of the season, the upgrades almost never seem to work😔; I'm italian so that's why the sad emoji, hopefully we don't have to wait another 21 years to win something like it happened with the championship of Scheckter in 1979 and the first Schumi's title in 2000.
It’s wild that even with more horsepower overall, more downforce due largely to less stringent regulations on the underside of the car, and significantly more mechanical grip from a wider car with wider slick tires as opposed to grooved the current cars are still only a few seconds a lap faster here. Even more so when you consider that changes in the track itself make up about 1 second of that difference. 20+ years of knowledge and development later and the 04 cars are still not far off even though they were quite heavily regulated themselves.
Continues to amaze me the marketing value of the v10 engine and how its tone not continued to be used in today's regs Everyone associates that screaming engine with F1, speed, and it is certainly an attention getter. The fans want V10 and we get 50% battery cars instead 😅😅
Between the 2020 run of Alonso on the R25 and Assetto Corsa,the F2004 got involved in the same level of conspiracy and bizarre teories than the Mk4 Supra.
That year 2004 regulation didnt reflect the true low fuel qualifying - need to put actual race fuel not like now - need to compare fastest lap 2004 vs 2024 how they ended up.
Let's just equal what we can easily swap. Tyres, No DRS (just don't use it) and of course, make the track the same, and also, make both cars qualify with low-fuel. The 2004 had about 40 or 50kg more on it's base weight because of fuel alone. And it beats the 2024 car... The only cars with a chance are the 2018-2020 top cars of those grids. Just taking regulations into account and how easily we could upgrade the 2004 cars, they are still a marvel. You could easily make them the fastest cars ever by just giving them slicks and make them qualify on low-fuel which are ridiculously easy things to do. It would probably be track specific though, but on most tracks, it would have any of the hybrid era beat. 3.3 seconds faster on a track that is 0.7s faster as well, so realistically, it was just about 2.5s faster. Just by swapping slicks alone, the F2004 would get this laptime back... The grip level is just on another tier from groove to slick. Now don't use DRS on the new cars and give 40-50 less kgs of fuel to the F2004, and it beats the 2024 cars by probably 1 second. It's in the realm of the 2018-2020 cars which are the fastest ever cars.
Different track layouts meaning different setups it’s not an ideal comparison plus the 2024 cars start the lap at a much higher speed than the 2021 lap due to the lack of a chicane
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 not much higher + not much different setups, if anything it's more impressive that Lando was 0.1 faster in sector 2, which has all the corners despite the the new layout increasing the full throttle time during the lap, which mean less wing is required.
Currently Ferrari is 2nd in standings behind by 60 pts Considering Perez's form as of late, all it would take is a few DNFs from Max and the constructors title is very much in doubt
spectacular video However, in the pre-season tests, F2004 did less than 1:14, and in Q1 they did 1:14.500, but still a great video. 2024 cars are a monster
F2004 looks so much more fun to drive and more challenging for the driver. Modern cars look too stable for split second decisions. Which also explains why Max prefers looser rear on his cars that gives much more freedom for moves, but requires more precise inputs.
nope, the V10s had traction control and if you have run cars with and without them, you'll notice big differences, espacially when you are running 200mph, Max doesnt prefer sharp front-end bcuz of fun stuff or such, a sharp front is always quicker than back bcuz it heads the cars into corner's entry quicker, but less stable, in fact it is the other way around, you don't have much freedom with a sharp front cuz 1 wrong input and your car goes drifting all over the place, a heavy back could give you more time to correct
"They will have to wait until 2026 to see if they can be a WDC/WCC contender again" If Ferrari continues to do as they did in Monza and Baku they could overtake RB and McLaren in the constructors I know, I'm delusional, but let me dream
about racing fuel in Q1 or even in pre-season tests, the 2004 cars were faster than in pole time But it wasn't that big of a difference. it was only 0.5 or at most 1 second faster
Slicks won't make them faster. The grooved tires had more grip, and they had traction control. Alonso did a qualy lap in abu dhabi 2020 with his old renault, it did 1:38.9, with soft slicks. The pole for that race was 1:35.2 and the next year 1:22.1.
@@giacomo1439 Yeah. So? McLaren was pretty much dead last at the start of last year. If they could rise to the top in such a small timeframe, why would it be impossible for Ferrari?
Because their main rival ,red Bull have Adrian Newey for that last year, which means he will design RB21 and we will see no changes in race results. Whereas in 2026 Red bull won't have Newy and we have rules changed,so...
@@thletrelas3817 McLaren was close to dead last at the start of last year. If they could claw their way to the top, so can Ferrari. If they will is another matter, but it's not impossible.
all those people crying about how the 2024 car has slicks and DRS... The F2004 has 2x more fuel. TWO TIMES more. Imagine if you gave the 2024 car twice the fuel to use, or removed half the fuel for the 2004... And even if the Ferrari didn't have slicks, its tires were super wide. Even if you removed the grooves, the front tires were still 295 wide of tread. it also had traction control, and it didn't need to carry the 200kg of fuel it needed to finish a race, so the car could be much smaller...
@@Vamanos46 you didn't understand the situation... THe F2004 is ALLOWED to use 2x more fuel rate. If the F2024 was allowed to use as much, it would easily make 1600+hp.
