But that doesn't mean, that she can't redeem herself. If it wasn't for her involvement with the princess alliance from season 3 till 5, things would have been a lot harder for them. The fact of the matter is that she sacrificed herself to save them.
her death was one final act of manipulation. she made it so that she was the one who died for her "child" so that even in death she could have some semblance of control.
I really admire what this show has to say about redemption: One sacrifice doesn’t make up for decades of emotional, physical and psychological abuse: You have to put in the effort to overcome patterns of toxic behavior - not so the people you’ve hurt will forgive you, but because you genuinely want to become a better, healthier person. And that’s a process that takes time and work! That’s why Catra’s redemption arc was so brilliant - she was willing to put in that time and energy. But Shadow Weaver failed to learn that lesson, and she died a horrible person who did one good thing for selfish reasons.
I think one of the other things that makes Catra's turn a lot more powerful is time. SW had this chance handed to her on a platter and surprisingly enough in the heat of that moment and fireball she didn't let CatrAdora down. She committed some right action at her end. Catra had to conceive of her plan, likely think about it some to make sure it didn't faceplant and put it into action. Right thought. Then her plan was to rapidly accelerate her demise in the hopes that she could help save Glimmer and Adora. Right Action. Then in that moment she apologized as profusely as she had time for. Right words. Catra had the time for thought and in my mind this also helped her work out what she was going to say for the seconds she had to say them.
who says how much time was enough? Also while Catra was "putting in time" getting teased about her sneezes, Weaver was getting work done like teaming w/ Casta to figure out how to deprive Horde Prime of his weapon. Her redemption arc just didn't get a bunch of cute tsundere moments because Weaver is stoic and businesslike, doesn't mean she wasn't trying
What do you mean with one good thing? From season 3 till 5 she was a big factor for the princess alliance and in the fight against Horde prime. I don't excuse her horrible actions and behavior, but to say she only did one good thing is factually wrong.
I love Shadow Weaver but omg lol @ 0:40 when Glimmer punched her/bitch slapped her, like... i`m pretty sure thats the first time she`s ever been physically hit in the face.
Weird how some of the comments are all about loving Shadow Weaver. They also talk about Shadow Weaver deserving better, but honestly? No. She's pretty interesting for sure, but it's good that the show does not gloss over her manipulation and abuse and horrible parenting. (Plus, she triggers me a lot...)
Actually, she does deserve a lot better. It wasn't purposely her fault for failing the spell and becoming evil, and she didn't even abuse anyone as Light Spinner so she's pretty damn kind. But as soon as she's turned into Shadow Weaver and goes to the Horde, she turns abusive (but this isn't actually her being herself) this is her evil side taking over. Like I said, she didn't abuse anyone as Light Spinner. Anyways, back to the point, in season 4 and above, she changes so much, she changes sides and goes to the rebellion to help out, she sacrifices herself AND she saved Micah from being attacked by a bot (while Micah has Entrapta with him). Oh, don't forget, she helped Micah with training when she was Light Spinner. She teleported Catra to Adora in the finale and Catra runs straight to Adora, doesn't ask if Shadow Weaver is okay as she just leans against the wall in weakness. Which if I am being honest, was very rude since Catra begged the shit out of Shadow Weaver to teleport even when Shadow Weaver said she couldn't 💀 Shadow Weaver gave them great advise and even made a garden as a Bright Moon prisoner, full of magic. Yeah, maybe she wants the magic to herself but maybe she wants it for good deeds like helping out. She's been through so much after her change, to receive so little. Shadow Weaver is absolutely misunderstood, definitely should give this gal some respect 😩✋💖
@@eterniaaaa Her abusing children is being misunderstood? Her using a CHILD to show she’s worthy to a few people is being misunderstood? Her manipulating another child is being misunderstood? She may have been cast out and used for her power ONCE but that doesn’t excuse the way she treated CHILDREN.
As much as it was satisfying to see Shadow Weaver get what was coming to her, I cant help but feel pity for her. She didnt start off a bad person. She wanted to be like the princesses and help people but it seemed everyone just pushed her to the side or acted like she wasn't capable of anything. That's why she became such a manipulating power hungry person because people made her feel as if she had to become that way. I'm not excusing her actions or anything because yes, what she did to people like Catra and Adora was pretty terrible and it was nice seeing her get what she deserved. But I still cant help having just a twinge of pity for her. At least she went out by doing at least one good thing, perhaps like what she wanted to do all along since back before she became Shadow Weaver.
I love how we condemn Weaver for being "power hungry" yet when Adora wants to regain her She-Ra powers, when Glimmer wants to learn magic, when Bo and Entrapta wants to learn new tech, when Catra wants a pet invisible lion, well that stuff is all just fine and dandy even though it makes them all more powerful too.
@@tyciol Weaver did it because of ambition, the main Protagonists did it so that they could protect their could protect loved ones or in the case of Catra, it's... just a pet? I don't know why you'd think getting a magical pet along the way is in any way power hungry, but go off ig. Though Glimmer was manipulated and made awful decisions in season 4, it was with the intention that she thought what she was doing was right. They weren't power hungry because they never truly hungered for power. They fought and learned all of this to stop the Horde because it was all they could do as warriors in the rebellion. Just because they may, in principal, have done the same thing, there is no excuse for ambition if it meant hurting people in process, which is what Shadow Weaver did to when she used Micah, used Glimmer to teleport, and using Catra to escape her cell. Your narrative is construed, and you need to learn that there is no set definition for right or wrong.
Shadow weaver was a very complex and well written character. She treated adora and catra like crap and her last words to them weren't I'm sorry or forgive me it was you're welcome. It fit her character so well.
I love that at the full scene of 1:57, Shadow Weaver has clearly been drinking. She knows what she is doing and justifies it to herself as for the greater good, but she also hates herself for it (Adora’s “you *ruin* people” at 1:50 clearly got to her) and just wants to drink the pain away. P.s. 1:36 Swift wind does a *stellar* Mermista impression.
I hate Catra more. She was at least as evil as Shadow Weaver, if not worse (at least Shadow Weaver didn't endanger entire planets when she was having a tantrum), but the series bent over backwards for her in Season 5. As far as I'm concerned, Catra should have died in either Corridors or Save the Cat. To the show's credit, it does make me cry for her when she saves Glimmer in Corridors - damn my sentimental heart! - but the bitch didn't deserve a happy ending.
@@tomnorton4277 wow there, yes i do admit she is a annoying villian, but if shadow weaver treated her better she would be a different ending, But i get what your saying, her redemption is wayyy to short, i couldnt even recall one kind thing she did before saving glimmer, it was so sudden. She deserves a happy ending but her redemption is short and shitty
@andrea egami oh well the sword thing is because catra didnt want her back otherwise she would of acted different later like not taking over mermista’s kingdom. Or being a bitch (im sorry but she was such a good villian i really hated her before her whole short redemption )
I didn’t know I needed this but it is so satisfying to watch. My favorite part is when Glimmer punches her in the face. Not to mention all the times people would have said f*ck you if this wasn’t a kid’s show.
okay, i love shadow weaver, i think she was starting to change but honestly, all she’s done is horrible. she was an interesting character, and her death was sad but nobody should excuse all she’s done and say things like “oh shadow weaver deserved better” no she didn’t.
I just wish that all three of them were able to work through their issues before Shadow Weaver died. At least she told Catra that she was proud of her.
With all due respect but shadow weavers death was sad at the end when she sacrificed herself for adora and catra despite all the terrible things she's done but at the end her death went out in a heroic way
Esh, I suggest you actually look up what death actually was. Her death was her escaping her problems/consequences. Not as Nobel or heroic as it seems when you do research about it.
well i mean her death was only to get what she wanted in the first place, and she had the nerve to say 'you're welcome' before helping them for once when she had absolutely nothing to lose but sure. heroic.
and not to mention that if the situation called for it, there is no denying that shadow weaver can and would sacrifice adora and/or catra to get what she wanted
I hate Shadow Weaver as a person, but she's a great character. Can we also appreciate how great every single one of her line reads were? Her VA was perfect.
She deserved better since the beginning imo, cause it all started because she was the literally only person willing to take a risk to do anything to save Etheria while other sorcerers were like "may princesses do this". And even if she was trying to help, doing whatever it takes for the greatest good, she got pushed away by everyone she cared about back then. Then she changed and decided she can count only on herself and that manipulation and gaining power is the only way, cause others won't ever be on her side. It's just sad, I know, that later she did many bad things, but at the beginning she was trying to do the good thing and at the end she did it even tho she knew that noone would be even grateful. She's just really misunderstood and kinda salty cause of the past, that's all. She's not perfectly good person, but she's not bad to the core eighter. She's so called "morally grey" character. More like anti-hero than antagonist. And she was one of the most well-written characters imo.
I agree that Shadow Weaver is extremely well-written. I just happen to hate her very intensely... Her extremely bad parenting methods trigger me. To each their own. Peace to you, stranger.
@@NadCAtarun Well, you're opinion is 100% valid to me, even if different from my own. I do know that some of things she did was wrong and I do admit she's not good - I consider her morally grey tho, casue she wasn't evil to the core imo, she cared about some people and some of her motives wasn't evil. Her desire of power also is quite natural considering that after ritual she needed magic to live, when she ran out of power she was literally dying in pain till Adora healed her. So... yeah, to me she's anti-hero, not antagonist. But I understand why people may strongly disslike her, I'm not blind at her bad actions, I just don't think it's all about her and that she's much more complex character, so I just love her for that, how well-written she is and how sometimes she was terribly missunderstood (especially in past, back then in Mystacor). So yeah, I consider your opinion valid, I just don't get people who hate her and denies that she's well-written (some of that people consider her homophobic which I cannot understand, homophobia literally doesn't exist on Etheria and she gives strong ace lesbian vibe herself)
@@NadCAtarun So yeah, your opinion's valid, thank for sharing, peace to you too ♥ I'm happy that someone at least agree with the fact that she's extremely well-written character
I agree. You actually sum her reasoning up perfectly. I do wish she would have shown more actual love towards adora, It would have given adora more of a confliction to go against her. And of course catra didn't deserve any of the treatment she got whatsoever. But I wish there were more fanfictions with quite moments between shadow weaver and adora when she was younger that were truly tender and loving and not manipulative. I wish there was a better mother/daughter bond between adora and shadow weaver. And catra too, at least ones where she wasn't manipulating her. But alas. Honestly the fact that they were crying only a little but not sobbing at her death really fit. Yes more pressing things were happening at the time, but they didn't really dwell on it afterwards either. Shadow weavers death was beautiful and perfect because it was her coming full circle to who she used to be and finally saying what she knew would help catra move on. Adora had clearly moved on long before hand but catra was still stuck. I actually didn't cry at her death, unlike angela's where i balled like a baby. Noel designed Shadow weavers final moments beautifully and to me its more solemn then sad. Anyways, shadow weavers character was always interesting to me. She my favorite kind of bad guy because she isn't all evil, like you said shes in the grey. There are layers to her and if she had done somethings just a little differently then things might have turned out different. (I also keep wanting to like write little moments as fanfics of her and adora after she joins the rebellion being mother and daughter, some maybe also involving micah seeing them be mother and daughter. Like shadow weaver having adora sit down so she can brush and trim her hair like she used to when adora was in the horde and adora being stubborn about it at first and then finally sitting down and letting her do it and feelings of nostalgia and whatnot. The little things that would have made them seem more like mother and daughter then commander and favorite solider. And seeing Micah and other peoples reactions to seeing such an interaction between those two. )
@@Thevampireprincess61 Some guy once said "She lived as Shadow Weaver but died as Light Spinner" and it's basically my view on her death. She wanted to help save Etheria at the beginning, did a lot of mistakes her whole life and then really sacrificed herself, so Adora could save everyone (otherwise I'm pretty sure Adora would rush to help Catra, which might end up with one of them dying [and as we know Adora transformed into She-Ra cause of her moment with Catra, so even if Catra died not Adora - Etheria wouldn't probably be saved]). I dare to say that Etheria was saved cause of SW's sacrifice and I think it is exactly what she wanted back then in Mystacor as Light Spinner, but others misunderstood her. And I would also love to see more mother-daughter relationship between SW and Adora (also mother-son between SW and Micah tho), if you'll really write some fanfiction with it, can you please send me a link? ;^;
You shouldn't have included her death scene; Shadow Weaver deserved a lot, but she _didn't_ deserve a redemptive death moment. She should've had all her power drained and been left a crippled, scarred wreck begging for scraps.
I hate shadow weaver as a person. As a charachter I love her cause she’s really complex. You never fully know WHY she’s doing what she’s doing. Even her sacrifice some people interpreted it as her wanting to get the last laugh. Or one last manipulation to make adora and catra feel bad for her. Others see her sacrifice as her finally wanting to do the right thing. Or her wanting catra and adora to be happy together even though she tried tearing them apart. That’s how you know you write a good charachter.
and yet by total coincidence, Catra turns out to be a force captain who thrives in battle and dominates her enemies never once, for example, killed or violated by the more extreme element of brigand out there maybe Weaver experienced that during a moment of weakness and didn't want that for her daughter
1:50 adora may not want to forgive shadow weaver from everything she's done but i'm willing to give her a chance and accept her forgiveness!! everybody deserves another chance
No. Some ppl don't deserve that chance. That like giving your enemy a bullet when they spend everything they had to shot you. Only saints can those things. Sorry for my garbage English.
It's unfair. Even Hordak got the arch of redemption (although he started all this mess), and the Shadowweaver just died for the sake of those who pushed her away from herself all the time
Because Catra was an abuse victim and had shown a softer and more playful side with Adora and times when she felt bad or did the right thing. The audience was able to understand that she was hurting and running on overworked survival instincts . Shadow Weaver physically, emotionally and verbally abused Catra and Adora, manipulated Micah and Glimmer as well as neglecting or encouraging the mistreatment of Kyle all while refusing to take blame for any of it whenever confronted by her victims about her abuse. Say what you will about Catra's actions at least she realised it didn't make her happy and chose to do the right thing even if it meant death, putting in the work to become a better person when offered the chance after saving Glimmer, what did Shadow Weaver do?, the best thing she ever did in the series was die so Adora could be taken to be sacrificed.
@@babs2952 [Ill TLDR in brackets to save time] [Catra and Shadow weaver both have trauma] Catra almost destroyed the world over her pettiness. Shadow weaver went through her own BS when she was in the sorcerer nation. [Shadow eaver goes to the side of good first as Catra chooses to make destructive decisions] Shadow weaver even goes over to the side of good BEFORE Catra. You give Catra for nearly destroying the world because of her connection to Adora yet you condemn Shadow weaver for her mistakes and say death is the only atonement, IF that were true then Catra should also be dead for heractions while being a villain (Kidnapping, abusing scorpia and her friends, Betraying hordak and sending away his only friend. Multiple attempts to kill Adora.) [Catras length in time doesn't compare to SW's but her action are comparable if not more intense] While her actions don't stretch for entire childhoods she definitively has a list of Heinous things shes done. [SW doesn't get the same exploration or treatment like Catra did.] My complaint is that Catra gets to live through her mistakes and is forgiven by all. Shadow weaver wasn't the nicest person but she been through oppressive male leadership and desperately tried to break out of it. It made her a hard and cold women and while this isn't an excuse for her actions, I would have liked her to at least talk to the people in her past instead of her meeting a fate like that.
@@babs2952 Weaver is pretty clearly an abuse victim too, Mystacor was not a utopia. Here's a possibility I want to posit to you: what if ten years before the "spell of obtainment" fiasco ... what if Norwyn had raped Lightspinner? How would that change your perspective on the type of changes she was willing to make, and why she acted so assertively when confronted in the end?
if Catra had been a grown ass woman who has been abusing kids for the past 20 years of her life I can guarantee you that people wouldn't excuse her either
1:52 This 1 line, is the reason I blame this Shadow Bitch 4 influencing ALL the destructive choices Catra made (ironic how Shadow Bitch went 2 help stop the portal crisis when it was her previous actions in hurting Catra that solidified her choice in opening it! 😡) The fact that Catra still had love within her battered heart 💗 after all that Shadow Bitch put her thru 😤 PROVES that Catra never needed 2 prove she was stronger than her - she always WAS❣️😭
lmao, shadow weaver is one of the best characters in She-Ra ;p EDIT: and its funny how you just skipped part when catra and adora was so sad and cried about shadow weavers death
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 😉 I skipped that part because it did not fit the message of this video, not because I want to deny it happened. Have a nice day. 🤗
My mom is mentally abusive (Kinda like SW) yet if she were to die right in front of me I’d still cry. So your argument for protecting the biggest asshole of this show is that Adora and Catra were abused and conditioned to listen to SW (even if they don’t realize it.) Youre really don’t helping your case.
@@Originalguineapigmaster omg I am so sorry. are you okay? my best friend was a victim to emotional abuse as well. I cant imagine what you are going through right now. if you really need someone to talk to or need help please call childline or NSPCC. or if you need anyone to talk to or need anyone to listen to you my Instagram is lumity.supremacy.edits and you can talk to me. I hope you feel better💓
She was a monster that abused and manipulated her children she treated them like toys that you could throw away but in the end despite her abuse and her manipulations they grew stronger she had some shred of dignity when she sacrificed herself to save them but to be forgiven no had she not died and was captured and put in prison and forced to spend years thinking back on what she did to herr children maybe just maybe there could have been a chance for Redemption but killing her takes away any chance of that happening one good act doesn't erase years of Bad acts
She was horrible. But I still admire the audacity she had to turn and say "you're welcome." Well but again, I like how she didn't actually expect to be seen as a hero, as no one even mentioned her at the end because no one ever cared about her outcome. The only thing that mattered was Adora and Catra, she knew she didn't matter. She was a b!tch, yes, but I like her a bit.
I think you're blind to the subtle indications of Weaver's love for her daughters. The power she wanted was to protect the world. The pain she filled others with was to help them grow to be stronger so they don't die.
Okay the only thing I just want to know about shadow weaver is the one thing none of us ever saw we never saw how she treated Adora when she was younger because we know she was her favorite but never ever showed that in her childhood, they did for Catra and the rest of the horde squad but I just want to know… was she one of those adopted moms that treat their kids poorly or ones that treat their kids like a precious child??
She was a horrible person and she deserved hell. Not gonna lie though, she was really good at yelling the word "No" in the absolute most dramatic way possible...
Shadow Weaver being an asshole to just about everyone is why I love Shadow Weaver as my favorite. Too bad that she had to die though. Actions aren’t justified and yeah, she did get what was going to come to her, or atleast she chose to die. But… she died as my No.#1 favorite character on the show.
Hehe, this video’s just beautiful. Loved ever second of it. 😌😌 Also yuck, all these comments defending her🤢 As a well-written villain? Sure, I’ll give you that. Anything else? Hell no. ps: no, she never changed (to those of you saying she did).
Why would you like shadow weaver?? She groomed and abused Catra and Adora their whole lives and literally has not done one good thing during the entire show that did not benefit herself. She’s horrible
@@LanieMae I’m not being toxic? I’m simply stating that it’s just strange that some people love an abusive character in a show that I happen to enjoy. I am aware it is fictional, but the concept is very real. Therefore it’s concerning to me that people love her.
@@cally406 everyone loves catra and she was also a bad person who caused suffering to other people, although shadow did worse then her it still doesn’t make sense to me that people love catra but hate shadow although they did similar things (not to hate on catra here, she’s my 5th favourite character)
@@LanieMae I also love Catra and though it does not excuse what she had done, the only reason she was like that is because Shadow Weaver abused her and sometimes even when people get out of abusive situations they still imitate their abusers. Catra actually tried to get better. Shadow Weaver just switched to the winning side and her “sacrifice” was just one final act of manipulation. I love shadow weavers character as it’s is written but I hate her lol if that makes sense
i still think she is my favorite, not cuz of her death, bla bla bla, i just like the character, yall shouldn't make it so seriously, is just a serie for childrens...?
I love seeing this character she is like a caring misunderstood mother mean think about it Hordak wanted to let Adora to die but Shadow Wether saves her. My theory is she was a mother at some point and she just lost the child. So that’s why she took care of people having a tough time because she was at that same moment as well. I don’t understand why people don’t like her. She is one of my favorite characters in this show.
i think the fact she used magic to abuse catra who probably was no older than 6 while also threatening catra's life telling her that her only worth was adora's fondness for her and then turning around to tell adora it was her fault that shadow weaver abused catra and she needs to keep better control over her, causing serious mental issues to develop in both of them i think that might be the reason people don't like her. magical child abuse tends to be a deal breaker. she wasn't a misunderstood mother, she was a self serving, power hungry abuser. the only reason she wanted adora was because she sensed the magic within her and wanted to use her for her own ends.
1:09-1:14 Me mockingly clapping my hands. Me with a sarcastic voice: Nice one, Shadow Weepy. Great acting performance but maybe you should change your little manipulative tactics, it's a little too predictable. So.... care to try again?
She spent most of her life manipulating children and young adults to do her bidding so she could get her hands on more power. She has also tortured said children and young adults on many occasions, mentally and physically. You have every right to your opinion, but you cannot change my mind about SW. I hate her guts, even as I admire how well-written she is as a character. Peace to you.
Sooo, did y’all just kinda skip over all the scenes of her threatening, verbally physically abusing Catra, grooming and gaslighting Adora? Her whole thing is that she was an abusive, manipulative person, and the root of why Adora and Catra were so emotionally screwed up later in life.
Wait, you’re mad that the video cut when she was about to show her face? I’m trying to understand your problem. Also, you’re still spelling click baiter wrong.
