@@M0tyxia Im team SH but watching Laezel enjoying Sun was Something Else. Theres no bad companion in this game, just dont kill them in first few fcking minutes xD
Unfortunately, as far as D&D goes, that is the githyanki as a whole. The ones who broke away were the Githzerai, who had the mind to know that was all fucking bullshit. The Yanki hunt the zerai even now because of it.
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK I'm on my third playthrough and this is the first time Laezel is even alive to see level 4. So insufferable. And picking fights with Shadowheart, like she wants to die. I saved her ass twice now, not sure there will be a 3rd time.
It's like how I can't stand to see Shadowheart become a dark justistar. You just let them go....let them continue the cycle of abuse knowing they're being used, espically lae'zel, her whole people are being used....
@@023achilles on my 3rd playthrough , when they started fight in camp, my dice rolled 1 on convincing and i had to choose Shadowheart or Lae`zel. Usually i would quickreload this, but no this time. Green toad's corpse haunt me every time in camp lol
crazy how it still pains me, even after not playing for weeks, to see lae'zel, or any of the characters hurt. Larian created a masterpiece with this game!
agreed, I was listening to apart of Karlach when she was talking about something and it sounded like she was gonna cry, it had me bawling behind the screen, I was like " damn it game what are you doing to me?!?!?!"
@YskarAlbumLuna Lowkey though, its much easier to kill them than hurt them if it makes sense I have no issues killing Karlach in some of my runs but god forbid I do something 'mean'
It is so funny that while you can absolutely turn Lae'zel into a good, modest, open minded, loving companions, many people held onto their judge and refused to save the poor delusional Githyanki girl.
I love angry lady I took my time in fact she was the first character I romanced. During my second playthrough I didn't take time to talk to her and didn't romance anyone, it felt so weird to have her so angry at me all the time. Currently doing a third playthrough and taking time to interact with her cause open-minded, loving La'zel better than close minded angry La'zel
I let Shadowheart kill her during the camp scene when they fought over the prism, because Lae'zel slut shamed me at the tiefling party when I had not romanced anyone or slept with anyone at that point. It's weird that the "mean" character even has a line like that in a game where all the companions are playersexual and there are several extra NPCs you can sleep with. Either way it left a bad taste in my mouth and now her body is at the bottom of the underdark lake. :) She's usually awesome, and she softens up a lot as you progress the game but why make her slut shame? GG Larian.
@kaopy she says that even if all u do is give wyll a little peck on the lips 😂😂 game is all about different perspectives and personalities I know crazy right? Some people are not ok with u being a garden tool 😂😂 Everyone should be open minded like halsin no that's not how the world works you learn to accept people's flaws and live with them not everyone is gonna be on board with how u live your life they can only accept it and move on
Love how in-game characters can tank bombs, fireballs, magic missiles, countless arrows and various slashes, bonks and stabs from swords, maces and greataxes etc. but as soon as it’s a cutscene, a wee little dagger does the trick nice n quick
If you hot a sneak attack with high enough damage you can also oneshot people. Id say without a cutscene the characters rarely take a knife right into the heart
I mean, 'hit points' aren't neccesarly a measure of how much hits you can take. One perspective I remember hearing is that it's how many/much of 'near misses' you can have before a blow connects hard and takes you down. So, with her mind completely focused on the mission, and not expecting a betrayal.... yeah. that could be the why. or something. IDK.
@@kiilgore806 That sounds more like how someone in Naughty Dog mentioned how Nathan Drake doesn't die in game. HP is more of a representation of all the factors that contribute to your ability to stay standing, such as your actual physical fortitude and your will to live, you could probably also say it's your ability to turn with blows . You are most certainly getting hit because that's pretty much what your AC/Save was designed to avoid. The reality is that it's a game run by an AI rather than a human being who can like adjust for the discrepancies between gameplay and cutscene. But I mean like most games have this sort of thing, never understood why people get caught up in it.
No one really gives Lae'zel enough credit for how loyal of a companion she is. She's with you from the start and is willing to forsake her people's customs so you can fight side by side to get rid of your tadpoles. She doesn't start off morally "good," but still respects you as the leader and doesn't disapprove of you helping others. When the dark urge origin is revealed, she's supportive and lowkey isn't worried because she has so much faith in your strength. So to betray Lae'zel of all people, who actively defied the ways of her people from the start to fight beside you hurts more than almost any other betrayal in the game.
Ohhh those cutscenes I saw Lae'zel tank a nuke, a god's avatar slamming in her face and withstand direct dragonfire. But she's gonna die from our shaving razor. Because we are the main character xD
Aye. She's survived the 12-foot scythe blade of the avatar of death, ground zero from countless fireballs, being poisoned with wyvern toxin and hacked with two-handed weapons of every variety...but damn, a dagger to the kidney? Nope. Nothing we can do about that. 🙃
@@Webhead123 That's why they call it "Gameplay/Story Segregation". There's plenty of moments like this in many games. BG3 is no different. If you were to apply real life logic, it could simply be that she dodged all those attacks that would've killed her. If you notice, there's plenty of cases where characters die instantly for stupid things in cut scenes, but practically require a tactical nuke to the face to actually put down for good in game play.
@@DownWithTheImperialists Let us not try to rationalize dnd logic xD These inaccuracies are the price we pay for the high fantasy gameplay first approach
Interesting, I romanced lazael and persuade checked her along the whole story, doing so she believes Voss is telling the truth and learns about the story of Orpheus. In the end Orpheus gives her his personal dragon and she flys off to start the civil war against the queen
You are both wrong if you simply hit "let lae'zel take the lead" every chance you get even without romance she rebels against lich-face, sides with Orpheus, wreaks the emporer and basicly becomes the party mvp. If you do this with Astarian he comits a minor sucide, Gale will commit suicide if you let him do his thing, Shadowheart will murder Lae'zel and nightsong and Karlach burns souls to get a power-up. When Wyll is backed he refuses to kill Karlach and tries to break his pact so him and Lae'zel are basically the only two who don't make aweful decisions.
@stephenjames2159 In every playthrough, including my insanely, unnecessarily evil playthrough, I let Shadowheart decide for herself and she throws her spear away. In the insanely evil one I was pissed and reloaded so she would kill Nightsong
Interesting lore in this ending! Orpheus feeling like he wont be able to stay himself as a mindflayer is a useful data point. Then again, you can also convince him to stay alive and maintain control for the good of his people. Maybe liberated mindflayers with a purpose can retain their autonomy?
In 5e lore it is extremely rare for mindflayers to retain their original memories and personalities after transformation. Still rare, but more common, is something called partialism, where fragments remain. SPOILERS AHEAD: If you or Karlach choose to turn into mindflayers at the end, Jergal tells others you are still in there. Halsin, if you are romancing him, also thinks you are you. Interestingly, this is the only ending where you can talk him into letting you go with him... which may suggest you are beginning to mind control him. There's another companion where you sway their opinion -- Shadowheart, I think?
At the end of the day, even a mind flayed fully in control of their faculties subsists by eating the brains of intelligent beings. You are allowed to exterminate things that will eat you if they can.
Fun fact, Mindflayers have a bogeyman story of a powerful mind flayer who maintains their personality from before being tadpoled. They call them The Adversary and thin they will be the undoing of Mind Flayers forever. Orpheus seems like a solid candidate, given his abilities.
The fact that you have to bring La’zel so far to this point. Make her go against Vlaakith and her own people, get the Orphic Hammer, betray the Emperor, turn her idol Orpheus into a mind flayer. All for you, a friend or lover, to stab her in the back like a coward. Could not be a better song. Wish there was a longer version.
This was revenge for all those times she kept forcing me to respect her filthy brutal culture. Now her people will die along with her. Pity she would not live long enough to see it
It would've been way cooler to have personal quips from every origin character for big scenes like this, where they panic and apologize or just do anything other than having a blank faced template stare..
That's kind of my problem with an evil playthrough. You just feel like a giant gullible moron, blindly obeying clearly malicious entities or individuals for essentially ZERO personal gain. Like it'd be one thing if an evil playthrough had you making morally awful deals, but you got power or greater influence out of it. But no. You just feel like a dummy and you lose out on like 50% of the content in the game. Even Dark Urge is more like "would you like to commit this atrocity for literally no reason at all?" than anything compelling. I love BG3 but I feel like 90% of the work went into the "good" playthrough. You can see kernels of what they intended to add to an evil playthrough but it just feels so badly executed and limited in scope. Choosing to side with Vlaakith is probably the most egregious example, but going evil with Shadowheart is just as bad, and oh my god is Astarion's "evil" resolution to his plot ridiculously lame. He turns into a turbo-douche on a dime. Like he wasn't good before, but he just goes full on sneering abusive prick.
@@GuiltyKit I mean, Vlaakith and Shar have always been like that. Vlaakith's always been a con-artist cult leader who very probably murdered Gith or gave her to the archdevils. Lorewise I'm actually surprised Vlaakith hadn't eaten Voss centuries ago, or cast him out and had him hunted down and killed. She used to eat every Githyanki that got to a level of capability represented out of game by like... level 12ish as soon as they reached it, because food but also because she wants to be the only person with any power. Shar's always wanted to literally end existence and be as petty as possible in getting one-up on her sister. With the Dark Urge, it's not "atrocities for no reason" it's atrocities for FUN, which I acknowledge isn't the kind of evil experience everyone's after. I mean, the thing about all those evil entities is that yeah, they're selfish and there's no real room in their worldviews for anyone else truly benefitting or prospering, because why would they want or allow that? That's a large portion of cosmic Evil in the Forgotten Realms. Do you think you'd have enjoyed if maybe the Baneite aspect of the dead three triad got more focus and screentime? Although Bane wants well-organised and ordered people, ultimately, I think, adventurers aren't his ideal allies. Or maybe if the Zhentarim were more of a presence you could ally with? They're ultimately Banites too, but you could maybe have a sort of mafia storyline with them. What would be a rewarding evil path for you?
Astarion doesn't necessarily go full turbodouche, I ascended him, but because I wasn't dating him and am just his friend, and probably because I gave him conflicting choices throughout the game he ended up being a slightly edgier version of himself....not nesrly edgy enough to off him for it though, and he talks about how hes loving life, having parties, really living instead of the base survival he was doing. He is building power up,but it's not half as bad as his ex Master was. At least I think that's why. Mine was just grateful and glad to have me and the rest of his friends, and to be able to collab in the future
@@thomasjoychild4962the problem he likely had, and the problem I had that kept me from playing more than 2 murders in to the dark urge storyline, is that I'm an old school D&D player. I play these games partially for roleplay experiences and living stories, and so to play a character who's alignment is "stupid evil" is not gonna be fun for me. Chaotic evil has their own way of being, doesn't follow anyone's laws but their own and doesn't care about hurting others to obtain their goals but unfortunately a lot of newer players and thus game designers will play them as "stupid evil" which is basically just doing the most evil thing for the sake of "because I'm EEEEEVIL MWAHAHAHAHA!". Durge feels like that and frankly most normal well adjusted human beings will not like it. lawful evil is fun and interesting for most players to roleplay because it's unchecked ambition and we can relate to that at least, but Durge is not that way.😢
They did good with her expressions. That's exactly the kind of face you'd make if you were betrayed by someone you called a good friend and ally. I can feel her sadness and her anger and disappointment.
"She was blinded by her faith but true in her devotion" dang .... This hurts so much when I remember all the playthrought with my comrades or myself changing to control the artifact... Maybe then the "best way" is too kill the brain via the emperor and then kill the emperor... Cause yes... A mindflayer will still be a mindflayer even though it try to do his best 😅
I remember saving Lae’zel in act 1 but kicking her out when she wasn’t grateful. Then I ignored her the rest of the game. Found her dead body on the floor right at the entrance to act 2 and thought “Oh no!” Then I laughed bc it’s so random. She was probably too hard headed to listen to anyone warning her about the shadow curse
I was like, this isn't my bae... Then realized this is the Queen's pawn Lae'zel lol. I was suppose to be with Shadow on my second run. But getting to know Lae was so enjoyable, i pushed Shadow to the side, again 😂
I will admit imma watch SOME of the endings on youtube cuz with how many combinations there are for your Team.... theis game is gonna have MANY. not to mention the options you got during the ending dialogue
Yeah I am a terrible roleplayer. After realizing the potential for good, I can't bring myself to play evil. I couldn't even kick that squirrel. But then, I have killed minthara every time I encounter her. Turning on the druids and tieflings knowing they can be saved is also something I have just been unwilling to do as of yet.
The great thing about this game is I did this choice in my good play through. Didn’t use Laezel much and she wasn’t part of the final battle. She finally comes in and it’s the only way to save Orpheus. Convinced him to live for his people and in the epilogue there’s a data slate thing saying he’s preparing to get rid of Vlakith. She was bad in my play through.
If i went through a week of gameplay and saw my companions and durge had zero personal growth by the end of it, I would be annoyed with myself. It's sad to see Lae'zel still brainwashed at this point in the story.
I've never put up with Lae'zel's attitude for long enough to see what she can become. She just gets on my nerves hardcore in the beginning of the game and she has never survived act 1 for me. Maybe one day I'll give her a shot.
i didn't get any orpheus scene because he happened to be transformed into a displacer beast when i beat the boss and the game acted as if my pc was the mindflayer instead, very confusing
I find it very funny how everyone seemed to hate Gale, but every time I see him interact, he is the most reasonable Ally. The worst offence he commits is seeing everything as you being horny for him.
In all honesty Orpheus as a mindflayer is a doomsday scenario for the Gith. The mindflayers can ruin their empire with the knowledge contained in his brain.
How did you get this scene? I persuaded her to serve Vlaakith, but when the whole company was on the pier, Orpheus asked my TAV to kill him, and Laezel just stood nearby...
Why the hell did you kill her? She’s been my favorite character since the beginning of this game and you killed her. Now that’s a bad guy move what the hell poor choice in the entire world man this game was nominated for a reason for performance and you ended like that by killing your own ally.😡😡😡😔😔
this ending is kind of nonsensical and poorly written. why would you stab your comrade in the back for fulfilling the will of orpheus? this makes zero sense from any point of view.
Former pawn kills current pawn. Laezel never figured things out in this playthrough. You have the good version of shadowheart and the evil version of Laezel.@@MrBandoftheHawk
Can u guys please, for the love of fucking god, put a spoiler in the title. Also if something bad happen to u, its prolly my fault cause i cursed u a lot
Is she still like this even when we get her to see the queen has been using her and betrayed her??? Laezel my first love 😂 i could already see through her toughness it wasnt hard. Shadowheart is racist noticed it 1st gameplay but its understandable why shes cautious😂
I romanced laezel unexpectedly, she approached me tho it sucks he's a hard character pent up on wanting to destroy everything for her gods and what not. Even if u keep her around the whole game she leaves In the end of u dnt save her prince. Such a pointless character
@@chriscornell8810respec her out of her mixed str/dex and just pick one. As it stands 13 is a measly +1 to hit before weapon enchantments, 16 on the otherhand is +3 to hit.
She just has bad stats, 13 DEX and 13 STR, which just gives her a measly +1 on all weapon attack rolls. Additionally, her starting cantrip targets enemies with a DEX save, and most enemies in Act 1 have high Dex (Goblins for example), so they have a good chance to avoid the damage.
must have shit stat planning if your Shadow heart misses...its called respecing and optimizing and making her a OP war cleric...better than majority of pure melee builds period.
Funny thing is that she is better of dead than ascended in which she will also end up dead but the tyrant will absorb her and her people will still be enslaved but I assume the person who played in this video didn’t go to the creche😂
The murder knife is a nickname given to the dagger that multiple dragon age protagonists use to kill someone in a cutscene. Happens quite a few times in dragon age origins if you choose a "Kill them" option@@zeno6554
@@zeno6554 probably the knife you'd pull from your ass to kill people in dragon age games. Could also be referencing back when baldurs gate were bioware games. didn't play the first two
AC and HP isn't always the ability to just tank a blow in D&D, it's dodging, parrying, stamina. It's like stabbing a 5 ac with 1 hp when you aim for the right spot and they don't resist it, even with her armor. BG3 just sort of game-ifies the hits during combat.
