Lol at 1:01 “You’ve never gotten over that have you” “No, well there are a lot of reasons, I don’t like Steve Waugh for a lot of other reasons...” “Did you win or lose?” “Well we won” “So he would’ve been justified?” “That’s right” Warnie got stuck in his own series of events lol
@@milkshakemuncher We're only hearing SW's opinion here, and he's spat the dummy. Waugh's take on it is different; and I'd suggest that the way they each have dealt with it might indicate where the truth lies!
@@milkshakemuncherPlayers who have been ultra successful find it very hard to accept not being picked just once. Everyone else in life learns to cope with these experiences all of the time and are not such snow flakes about it. Brian O'Driscoll was exactly the same when he didn't get picked for a lions test. He goes his entire life being first on every team shot and completely lost his shit when he got dropped once. His replacement had an absolute blinder and the Lions absolutely romped home.
While I can sympathise with Warne not liking being dropped for that game, I also think it was an overreaction as far as attacking Waugh's character at the time. I don't necessarily believe he was scapegoated because if anyone probably could have been for that loss in the third test it was Healy for dropping Lara before they won. Warne however during the series was still not bowling his best and MacGill bowled superbly during it. I think it was not only ballsy of Steve to make the call but also smart to pick Colin Miller. Two leggies was easier for the left handers to deal with but Miller offered off spin which ended up causing trouble enough to win them that test.
Regardless of your personal opinion on Warne and/or Waugh, airing your grievances on somebody that isn't present to defend themself, particularly on national television, is a low act.
Some context. In the first 3 tests Brian Lara belted the Aussies. Steve Waugh wanted a bowler to spin the ball away from Lara. Two leggies played in the first three tests Warne and Macgill. One had to be dropped. Warne had taken 2 wickets @ 150 in the series so he was dropped
What a terrible reason to be dirty on the great Steve Waugh. The selfish comment, who knows, maybe there is truth to that? Though his results indicate that even if his intentions were selfish he did a lot to help Australia be successful as a team. Perhaps he was selfish in other ways that can’t be seen from outside the inner sanctum. Who knows? But the second reason? WTF? To be crook on your captain for not selecting you in one test match? Warne played how many tests? 150? He had a brilliant career for Australia, probably our greatest ever bowler. To be bitter over that and to broadcast it on national television is pitiful.
@@joelkeane3160 Yes . Steve Waugh is so "selfish" that he is revered in India and Australia for his charitable work. Compare that to what Warne had done after cricket. Warne projected his own self entitlement and selfishness onto Steve Waugh. Warne believed that his ego was much more important than what was bent for the Australian team. Check out as well Steve Waugh's dignified and mature response to Warne's unfair,wrong, vicious, public attack. Remember as well how Warne badmouthed Waugh behind his back in order to get rid of him as captain. Warne was an excellent bowler but I will not believe any of his allegations against Waugh. Warne even sneered at and mocked the teamplayers who respected Waugh.
A Young Person, Lara only belted the Aussies in 2nd and 3rd test, in the first test the Aussies belted Lara along with the rest of his team, bowling them out for 51. The reason Warne was dropped was this: he had only recently come back from shoulder surgery and obviously wasn’t fully fit and firing. However, Lara had actually treated him (Warne) with respect, but had been severe on MacGill. However, MacGill had 9 wickets in the first three tests, Warne only 2, both of them tailenders. McGrath had dismissed Lara twice in the first three tests, Gillespie had dismissed him once, and he had been run out once. Two of those three dismissals of Lara by McGrath and Gillespie had been for low scores, and since neither of the aformentioned MacGill or Warne had ever even looked like getting Lara out, it was a matter of attacking Lara with pace, and picking whichever of the two leggies who, on current form, was more likely to dismiss a fair number of the rest of the Windies line up. Miller came in as a stock bowler who could switch from medium pace to spin. And so it came to fruition, McGrath and Gillespie dismissed Lara once each in the deciding test, for an even 100 off only 82 balls in the first innings, and cheaply in the second innings, and Australia levelled the series, as the then Mighty Windies had done to us out here in 1981-82.
Apparently Steve Waugh had to lock himself in a cupboard as the irate player was trying to punch the fuck out of him for makin his decision . Fortunately there were security guards there to drag Brian Lara away
Steve Waugh may well have been Captain, but it's the rude manner Waugh went about dropping Warne. Just because he was the Captain doesn't mean he has the right to talk down to people that way. I was a big fan of Waugh, and felt sorry for him with his struggle of batting form late in his career until I heard this. Now I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire!
@@milkshakemuncher LOL this is Warne's perspetive on how it went down. Also, Steve Waugh said he was uncomfortable having those conversations but felt he needed to man up and do it. So it probably was awkward, but Warne is just making up excuses here for why he doesn't like Waugh.
@@milkshakemuncher I don't believe Warne . His ego was bruised and he behaved in an obsessed fashion about this one setback.. Steve Waugh was totally justified in dropping him during that series but it still must have been a hard decision for Waugh.
@@milkshakemuncher Look at the whole picture. Warne didn't even take responsibility for his poor showing. He felt entitled to play and so showed that his ego was much more important than the Australian team. He had even badmouthed Steve Waugh behind his back to the team in order to get rid of Waugh as captain. Compare his accomplishments after cricket to those of Stephen Waugh. I won't trust anything that Warne said about Waugh. Why don't you check out what the other team mates said about Waugh. Further check out Waugh's mature response to to this low, viscious, petty, unprofessional, uncalled for attack. Seeing that you can be swayed by one disgruntled person without checking what other teammates say and then insult Waugh, it most definitely is better you remain with Warne. Steve Waugh is respected worldwide as a captain, person and for his charitable work both in Australia and India.
@@noravanwyk2748 totally agree with this . Perhaps his campaign against Waugh was a strategy to destroy Waugh's legacy. It is sad because they were team-mates for a long time, did so many great things together and inspired a lot of people. Waugh has never publicly badmouthed Warne or any of his team-mates.
Steve Waugh made the correct decision by dropping him and they subsequently won the final test match. Obviously Warne didn't like being dropped, if he had played better in the series he wouldn't have been dropped.
@@milkshakemuncher i have watched and listened to SWAugh's version of events, not surprisingly it was different. I think Warne/IChappell were right Waugh captaincy wasn't quite in Mark Taylor or Ian Chappell's level but make no mistake he was a good captain. Before Warne's sad tragic death, I listened closely to everything he said. I think perhaps he may have gotten this wrong we are all human, genius's make mistakes. I know his family and friends will miss him, I will miss listening to the great man...
Warne played 3 tests, took 2 wickets at 134. Miller replaced him in the final test & took 3 wickets @ 22.00. The 3rd test saw WI get 9/309 to win on the last day. On a worsening pitch, Australia got bowled for 146 yet on the last day pitch Warne managed 0/69 off 24 overs & he thinks he shouldn't have got dropped??? You're dreaming Warney, not a 1/10th of the class Tugga is.
I am with Steve Waugh on that. Australia needed to win the fourth test to square the series, which they won. And in the previous test, Shane Warne was not effective and also West Indies won that match.
Warnie was a game/match winner needed to pick him hes a prick but thats what you get anyways at the time in Australian cricket warnie hated Buchanan to :D
@@CarNNNN Buchannan wasn't the coach yet in that series in the West Indies in early 1999 - Geoff Marsh still was. Buch didn't become coach until just before the 1999-00 Australian summer.
All that is bullshit.. you stick by your super stars in good and bad times. Waugh just wanted to flex his position as Captain - literally a power play. More than that you stick by your mates. Like Warnie said - ten years of test cricket ought to count for something.
I disagree warne sorry im English and i remember when Steve waugh got a hundred against us at the oval batting on one leg he was a great player and captain warney is like a petulant kid on this video
Steve waugh was a brilliant leader and this story emphasises it. Dropping, possibly the greatest bowler in cricket history, but short of form at the time and his vice captain to boot, shows balls of steel. He was proven right and this decision made him as a captain. The team would run through brick walls for him after this.
That's why Waugh was a great Australian captain and Warne wasn't. Warne the greatest spin bowler but not always the best professional off the field also. Difference between a leader and a team member.
He was only able to do that because he selflessly put in time personally coaching some of the tail in the nets, most famous being Glenn McGrath. As a result, the tail also made other runs with other batsmen, not just SWaugh.
Warne should not have spoken his mind on TV. That said, he has not said that he disliked Warne for this sole reason. As for Kumble, while he is not in the same league as Warne as an impact player & a matchwinner, what an asset he was, for India, especially in Tests. Curiously, I have always felt that India could have had a better test record from 2000 to 2006 had Kumble been our test captain. I think he was tactically more astute in analysing the game, than Ganguly. (Ganguly was very motivational, non-parochial & had excellent man-management skills). For a start, Kumble would have promoted Laxman in the batting order, ahead of Ganguly, in tests. Ganguly, all through his test captaincy, *criminally* under-utilised Laxman, as a middle-order batsman. It reeks a bit, of selfishness.
Sad as his death was and has been,taken well before time...Shane you were bowling pies in that series,and as you said you had just come back from a major surgery on your shoulder.
Well the problem Shane highlighted was really that Steve conveyed his decision in a really terrible manner. Steve obviously was in his own head stressing about the call itself and didn't regard how to tactfully put that to Shane to make him feel valued. He should have done it 1 on 1, made it clear Shane was, when fully fit a hugely valuable member of the side. Instead he abruptly in public forum threw Shane under the bus. Terrible man management.
The Iceman was a brilliant Captain and formed one of Test crickets best ever teams. Win/loss ratio was around 75%, the highest of all time. Had great faith Matthew Hayden and Andrew Simons and persistenced with them until they both rewarded his faith. The Iceman cared about and loved the Australian Test team and wouldn't let a personality difference get in the way of winning. Best to ask other players about Iceman's captaincy. Big egos in a big team
Lara was in great form in that series. In 3rd test lara helped west indies win by 1 wicket and warne was pretty avg in that match. Waugh dropped him in last test and brought in stuart macgill. Aus won the match in end thanks to mcgrath who got lara both times in that match and langer for his ton. Waugh justified his decision of dropping warne due to poor form but don't forget warne the bowler made great comeback in worldcup 1999. Warne need to move on.
I’ve never ever heard another player speak ill of Steve Waugh. The many reasons why Warnie doesn’t like him all seem personal, and not justified, or others would of spoke out on Waugh’s leadership.
As much as I love Warnie and how poorly him getting dropped was handled, it was really the kick up the ass he needed because those next series he played plus the world cup lit a massive fire.
Not Shane’s best moment saying this on a public forum. I have often heard Shane say “you might not like someone but you should respect them” Two entirely opposite personalities.
I'm sure there is a substantial degree of sour grapes on Warne's part, but Steve Waugh clearly is an unusual and extremely hard-headed man, and was probably very difficult to play for at times, although undoubtedly a great player and captain. I also think people are being too hard on Warne here: yes, he shouldn't have said that on national television but at some point in the course of three weeks you are going to forget about the cameras and drop your guard a bit, and sharing confidential information with people is a way that you bond with them.
Then you have to bear the consequences. In his first book he praise the Waugh. Here Wsugh is persona non grata. That shows pettiness,jealousy any self entitlement. Wsugh never badmoythed him in response which stays a lot. Imagine if it had beer reversed...
Hahaha what an idiot he made of himself there ! If I was him how could you ever even talk about it knowing most people would ask `Did they win the test without you?`...you have set it all up for the punch line to be they lost, but they in fact won. Mental.
Steve Waugh doesn’t talk like that. He was far more sensitive to each individual in his team and especially to Warne, who often needed to have his hand held because he was insecure at times. Warnie is a legend but his memory is plain wrong here.
Completely agree with you here. He just said it like that for impact. Full on victim mode. Take some responsibility Warne....3 games, 2 wikets @134 after a shoulder operation, its hardly a surprise if you get dropped there is it ???
Warnes mindset is part of why he was the greatest leg spinner ever. He had total belief in his ability and himself, and refused to believe anything else. His poor performance was due to injury. But, he still believed he was the best bowler, and nothing changed his belief in that.
Selfish cricketer? He scored 32 test tons and Australia won 24 of them (this included a century in each innings], lost 5 and drew 2. One of the draws Australia would have won but were robbed by rain on final day, the other was a high scoring draw that featured an innings of 277 from Brian Lara. Of the five losses, 2 were on account of Brian Lara's Genius, another VVS Laxman's in that infamous test in Kolkotta. As a captain Australia won about 71% of tests, all bar 4 series (two drawn, one to rain the other to Lara's genius, two lost, one that astonishing series in India in 2OO1, another a rain ruined affair in Sri Lanka that made it effectively a one off test] and also won back the world cup on the back of brilliant batting from Steve Waugh. It wasn't just for being dropped that made Shane Warne irrational when it came to Steve Waugh, he was also jealous that Waugh got the captaincy after Mark Taylor retired as Warne started to believe the hype of Ian Chappell in touting him (Warne]. Prior to that Warne's best friends were the Waugh twins, as he wrote in a book around 1997, and in fact Warne rated Waugh's captaincy higher than Taylor's - but later he did an about face on this in his second autobiography and it was all Taylor for captaincy kudos and Waugh was shit.
@@geographyhistorygeopolitic3851 Victor Trumper, Barry Richards, Viv Richards, Mark Waugh, Viv Richards, Gary Sobers, Adam Gilchrist, Imran Khan, Malcolm Marshall, Wasim Akram and Shane Warne.
When I met Steve Waugh at kids cricket I found him to be a quiet polite person who just liked to sit alone to watch his Son play. He had obviously decided that he should not be an influence and kept a distance. I was in West Indies 2003, and there were Australian supporters spreading rumours about Steve Waugh. I told them to shut it and no business of theirs. The bullshit that jealous people spread must be very annoying.
Steve Waugh was rude the way he dropped Warne, talking down to him without respect. I'm interested to know though, what were the rumours you shut down?
Waugh dropping Warne wasn't the main problem. Sure, it was hurtful to Warnes pride, but it was more that Waugh done it in a rude manner, spoke to Warnie with zero respect, after Warne had been quite successful for Australia in previous series.
Some self reflection would have been better here. E.g "I held a grudge for too long, that held me back from a leadership position, Waugh made the right call, I couldn't move on, if you're listening Steve I apologise".
Wow, I didn't realise that there was that much tension between Warne and S Waugh. I actually thought S Waugh has been Australia's greatest captain. I am a Victorian and will always push my own players first however if Shane was recovering from shoulder surgery and Aust won that test match in West Indies then resting Warnie did no harm. I know he'd rather have played but every player at some point gets omitted for various reasons. S Waugh may have been selfish but I prefer himas Captain rather than M Taylor or Ponting. What I didn't like about Mark Taylor was a comment he made......" I was picked as an opener and I won't play anywhere else in the batting order".........that is wrong. If you get picked in your national team you play wherever helps the team and where the captain needs you. If you're inflexible you shouldn't be picked in the first place. Every opening batsmen should be able to bat at No 3 if needed.
I thought tubby was a great captain too. You’re right about everything you wrote. I loved warne, but there were times that he was very out of form for what ever reason. I can remember lots of pundits and public wondering what McGill had to do to get a permanent gig. Bad place to air grievances though. Waugh was a great captain.
@@shanewilson199 why should have MacGill got a permanent gig? Its rare to play two spinners in every test or ODI. I'd play 3 pacemen, 1 leg spinner and 2 specialist medium pace bowlers in most teams. Maybe even 4 pacemen depending on the pitch. I personally think Warne & May have been the best spinning pair I've seen in an Aust team.
You got smashed all over the place Warne, good to see your sense of entitlement is still as big as ever. Perhaps it was Joe the camera man's fault. Yobbo fool!!
Coming back from injury, pitch wasn't suiting Warne, wasn't in the best 11 for 1 test so was dropped. And spat the dummy and has been acting vindictively ever since, so who is selfish? Just parroting Ian Chappell really and obviously Steve did something to get Ian Chappell offside at some point, and anything Chappell says Warne agrees with, and add Michael Clarke to that list.
It's pretty obvious why Steve Waugh was the captain and not Shane Warne - someone had to make the call and leave out a bowler who was useless in the tests leading up to the one he was dropped in. Shane would have left himself in even if he was the worst bowler in the world at that moment. I'm sure Laurina is going to do a "Steve Waugh" to Shane on "I'm a Celebrity" - Go Laurina!
Make the call, sure, but it's all about how you deliver the news to the player you're standing down. Waugh sounded like an ass. Sad because I was a big fan of his at the time. Now I think it is befitting that Waugh faded into obscurity with a bunch of shitty on field performances toward the end of his career, yet Warne went out on top!
@@milkshakemuncher What do the other teammates say about Steve Waugh apart from this selfish, disgruntled Warne whose ego was more important to him than the team. By the way Waugh gave a different version and by their actions, values and comments later in life I believe Waugh.
Tugga was absolutely right to do what he did and won the test match. No more justification is required. Warnie played 3 tests and took 2 wickets @ 134 in that series. His ongoing hatred of SWaugh diminished him in my eyes.
Look, Shane Warne was the greatest, but isn't there some code of conduct among players at this level to prevent players from making comments like these where everyone can see it?
Warne talks like he has some god given right to play for Australia? If you’re getting the fucking knuckles batted off you and a tough call needs to be made, a tough call is going to be made. Steve Waugh certainly isn’t selfish, he’s doing what a captain does, thinking of the team, not just what Shane Warne wants.
@@milkshakemuncher Respect demands respect. Warne felt entitled to be in the team at the cost of the team. That is selfish and self entitled. He wanted to be captain and badmouthed Waugh behind his back to get rid of him as caotain. That is vile and despicable.
This series was after 1998 tour of India when Warne was already torn apart by onslaughts from Sidhu, Sachin, Aznar etc. He didn't go to West Indies on a high, and faced Lara and co, who further capitalised on softened up Warne, so dropping him became inevitable, Steve waugh or no Steve waugh
Sometimes an athlete has to be dropped to get the best out of them...Steve Waugh was a better player when he was dropped for his brother....Steve Waugh new mentally what Shane Warne needed,MASTERSTROKE if you ask me !
Yep, Waugh was selfish all right ... Selfish for the other 9 players who wanted to win a series in the west Indies that could be a once in a lifetime achievement. Speaks about selfishness and then basically goes on to describe himself... I wish he could still be around to really contemplate what he said here and apologize to SW for such an absurd comment.
Bt thn was he dropped against India if he was fit n ready to play ? I dont remember any such match, can someone help me with this. Ur best players need support in worst times, Kumble was picked for 2003-04 tour whn majority of selectors were against him, bcoz his previous record was nt so good jn Australia. Ganguly believed in his skills n was adamant tht he will play, n every body knows how he performed on tht tour. Perhaps, Warne was hoping similar confidence from Steve.
Being selfish is not a crime as long as its not harming team (Most successful test captain in win % is greatest Steve Waugh). Ian Chappell & Waugh can't get over the admiration Steve Waugh has.
Shane Warne was a wonderful bowler's he also lacked maturity! Steve Waugh dropped him because he was out of form and was recovering from an injury! Rather than take it on the chin, Warne acted like a big kid!
You can always have disagreements but cant be bitter about it whole life..For eg: Saurav Ganguly didnt select Laxman for 2003 WC despite him being in great form and it still hurts him.But he has never said anything unpleasant bout Ganguly.
I met Steve Waugh his Brother Mark and Warne at the waca once. I found Warnie to be friendly and accommodating to the fans . But Steve seemed cold and arrogant !
Given how many lives Waugh's foundation has saved & he is still doing it 20 odd years afterwards, he most certainly isn't arrogant. What happened Warney's charity? While a brilliant leg spinner, he will always be several levels below Waugh's class.
@@milkshakemuncher Just because someone, is not outwardly nice to you because he is focusing on the job at hand doesn’t mean they are cold or arrogant . Some people don’t value social interactions. His foundation last month organised for one of its kid’s a special safety bed. Check out his Instagram and donate.
shane is a great player but steve is a great team player who always decide which is best to suit the team. He evrn used his spared time to help mcgrath on his batting, i seem shane should be the sefish one who always only care abt himself.
Funny how Warney says justified they won the test, implying if he played lol. Like how the fuck does he know that? Colin Miller was in form and had a good game in the final test...
I rather paradoxically am on both sides here. Yes the moment would have brought out the best in Shane and he had more than earned the benefit of the doubt. This moment made Steve Waugh’s captaincy. He saw that Warnie was struggling he had Stuart McGill who would be the great leggy ever if he hadn’t been stuck behind Shane so why not use Stu. Plus it sends a very clear message to Ponting, Gilchrist, Hayden, langer all of em. You’re not irreplaceable. Perhaps Steve should have been more tactful with it, sold it to Shane that he feels he came back a little early and instead of getting him injured bowling his guts out in the windies that he wants to rest Shane up for the tour of South Africa or India or England that was coming up. But publicly call it a dropping so everyone else gets the message. That’s how I would have handled it.
Pretty sure there was also a personality clash. Wild party boy larrikin Alpha male vs the more serious ice man Sigma male who had to deal with some stupid actions from Warne like the pill incident where he took a banned pill during his recovery of his injury and said mum gave it to me etc.
Steve Waugh was the greatest and most dedicated captain ever playing for Australia!!! Shane was dropped because he bowled average in that series coming from surgery. He should have taken it on the chin instead of whining and blabbering. Other than that he was a great champ himselfl!!
Shane Warne is just putrid air. He stinks terribly as a human being and as a professional player. Steve Waugh is such a great role model both as a player, captain and human being.
@@avharish5876 Because there have been far more great batsmen than leg spinners. Warne is competing with Clarrie Grimmett, Bill O'Reilly, Anil Kumble, Abdul Qadir, Mustaq Ahmed and who else?
The teenage rookie in Shane Warne doesn't let him understand what a great player, leader & person Steve Waugh was in worldwide cricket & life in general. You can't question his decision as captain because it was proven right. You are being senile oldman stating your personal grudge against the greatest leader of the game.
I don't think Waugh's decision to drop Warne was proven right, as there's nothing to suggest Warne wouldn't have played better in the do or die test and the team win the test with Warne. Yes, Waugh had the right as Captain to make that decision, but he could have delivered the message to Warne more humanely and with respect for Warne.
They replaced him with Colin Miller. The thinking was that an offspinner turning it away from all the left handers in the Windies team would be better. And it was, he took six for the match
Great player with big ego or it can be said a false ego, a person's character is evaluated by their conduct in public and Steve Waugh has my money on that
I love what Steve Waugh did for Australian cricket, as a player and as a captain. But, always thought he was/is an arrogant prick. I'd imagine he and Junior don't agree on a lot of things.
By saying so, Warne himself became the most selfish cricketer in Australian cricket history.. Steve was thinking about Australia and his thinking was proved right.. Has anyone read Warne's book? He's extremely full of himself.. he used to Mock the likes of Hayden, Mike Hussey and Gilchrist who were extremely dedicated to the Australian team and even labelled Gilchrist "Mr. Goodie two shoes". The lad was full of himself. He undoubtedly was a legend of the game though.
Warnie was a brilliant player. In the top 5 greatest of all. However these comments show his immaturity as a person and his shallow, superficial personality. And perhaps that is the sacrifice he unwittingly made as a person that allowed him to be in that rarified space. It's still no excuse for making comments of this nature about a long time team mate and another of Australia's great players. As someone who no doubt believed in the code of 'what happens on the field, stays on the field' and in the trust and sanctity of the team environment, these comments are particularly distasteful and for what? Idiotic TV ratings... I loved Warnie the player and his death still shocks me, but he lost me here with this personal attack on Steve Waugh. Very poor form.
He lost me in 1998 when he admitted a bribe was made by an Indian bookmaker. What he didn't do was campaign for gambling companies to cut ties with Cricket Australia. Who knows how many Australian players are doing what he and Junior did?
I don't like to "speak" ill of the dead But Warnie a great bowler didn't like authority... Shane shows no respect to Waugh who showed great courage in dropping him. Great bowler and showman but lacking humility in the face adversity.....
I love Shane Warne. I’m the same age as him and I live in Bristol, England where Warney played club cricket when he was young for Imperial Cricket Club in Bristol. Anyway Warne was a genius and should never have been dropped by Waugh. I didn’t give a stuff if Australia won that game and Waugh was justified in his selection, Warney should have still played because next to Bradman he was the greatest cricketer of all time. RIP Shane ❤️
This is a difficult one to take sides! On one hand, Waugh's captaincy was very impressive & on the other hand, dropping a cricketer of the calibre of Shane Warne, is not the best of decisions. Warne did not take his place for granted in the national team & the number of occasions he has won matches for Australia, is numerous (including the 1999 WC, with Waugh as captain). And Warne, in all possibility, would have been a very fine captain of Australia too. All that said, Warne could have avoided making this video.
