Brady's ego didn't get in his way. he was perfectly willing to stay with the Patriots, but Belichick made it clear he didn't want Brady around. It was Brady who kept the good players around, and took salary cuts to pay them. Players were willing to play for Belichick because of Brady.
@VanquishedAgain lmbo... He was going to stay. But you can't stay when you aren't offered a contract. Hey brainiac. He took a BOTTOM of the basement deal for 2 years at 25 mill each year when (from Tampa Bay) Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodger ( 2 bums in comparison) were making 45 mill a year. Yeah... BeliDork had all of you fools fooled. Not only did he push Brady out. If you had half a brain you would have come to the next conclusion. He pushed him out FOR Cam Newton. You guys are such numbnuts. He does one thing, tell you it's something else and yer dumb enough to NOT trust your eyes. Then again yer handicapped
@ClassicJukeboxBand your right. There doing the same thing with mohames. Brady and beliecheck are the biggest cheats in nfl history. Because kraft is buddy with goodell. They let them get away with it. You marshal Faulk who played them in the superbel said they knew all of there plays they were going to do.
Nah, I think hindsight is 20/20 here. I had the same opinion as Unc when Brady left NE. I think Brady is one of the best to ever do It, but I always said Bellicheck has to get a nod. There’s reasons for that however, I hadn’t rly taken @ppumpkin3282 s point into account. It’s valid asf and is definitely highly accurate to the pats success for 2 decades
Not hate its just that people wanna give credit to bill… and well as time passes by it shows more and more that it was all brady…especially bcuz skip would say it was 80/20 bradys favor in terms of who was most responsible for their succes. In reality it was like 95/5 but yea at least shanon can admit he was wrong, others cant
Sharpe isn't saying anything us Patriot fans didn't already know. TB12 IS the reason why we won all those Super Bowls. His greatness came from his uncanny ability to read defenses in a way no other quarterback could. We were blessed to have him for as long as we did. GOAT!
Oh ya Bill was so smart that's why he waited until pick 199 to sign the Greatest player ever. His career record before and after Brady is 81-94 with ZERO playoff appearances. Case fuckin closed. @@obeliskjiren9129
The Patriots did not want to commit anything to Tom because they themselves did not believe in Tom. They just wanted to rebuild, so they wanted and expected Tom to lose with JV cast. TB12 really threw a wrench in their plans by winning and making the playoffs. They deserve to be hated by Tom, but he's just too nice of a guy to hold it against them.
Hold on, when you say the Patriots didn't want to commit to Tom because they didn't believe in him, think that's wrong. Bill didn't want anything to do with Tom, but Kraft wanted him. He already forced Bill to trade Jimmy. I personally would have let Tom play until the wheels fell off. After Tom retired, I would have also offered him the GM position and 5% of the Patriots.
There is nothing the Patriots could have done to keep Tom. He knew the AFC East was getting better and he also didn't want to live in New England anymore. It's a tough sell to get these rich football players to want to live in MA, let alone anywhere near Foxboro lol.
Oh, he held it against them alright, but he just didn't voice it. He displayed that in his play by winning a Lombardi with the Bucs. Same as when he was spurned in the draft. That pretty much fueled him his entire career.
@@pheynx7573yeah and when Kraft forced Bill to not trade Brady Bill went out of his way to start not signing any offensive weapons nor draft good receivers for Brady to make Brady look awful in 2018 and 2019. Then Mac has a decent rookie season and Bill wants to make it seem like he’s the reason why Mac was good and stops giving him an oc and refuses to get him weapons watch Belichick is going to do something this off-season and Mac will improve solely because Belichick can say oh I fixed him I’m the greatest coach. I’m tired of Bills ego
I don’t think that there’s much doubt about it any longer. It was Brady all along. I still find it incredible how a pretty average athlete with zero speed becomes the GOAT but that’s what happened. This QB position clearly requires a very rare combination of talents but Brady had them. He’s simply an amazing man.
If it was Brady all along why was there a 10 year gap between championships? Is that Bill's fault? Is that Brady's fault? Defense SAVED the Seattle superbowl. Defense SAVED the Falcons superbowl ( yes, it did because they gassed the Falcons and held them to nothing ) and of course.. that last Rams superbowl was predicated on defense for both teams. Now look back to the original 3 superbowls and tell me those weren't stout defensive teams and people weren't taking risks. Stop. Brady would have faded away on ANY other team. Brady could have won 6 superbowls playing for the Jets, of course. Lol. Bozo.
@@Stoopid1Monkey if you can’t see that he’s the GOAT then no amount of rational reasoning is going to convince you. Belichick was helpful to Brady but the guy has a losing record without him.
@@TheKnightofAwesomenessoh the Super Bowl where Brady had 0 TDs and 1 Int. And scored 13 points but somehow the defense held Mcvays offense to 3 points. They don’t want to hear about that one.
A lot of people forget, Bill put a real lousy team around Tom in his last season as a Patriot, the season ended ugly. It looked like the next year was going to look like more of the same. I think Tom's true motive was to play for a team committed to winning, because he didn't have enough years in him for a rebuilding team. If he stayed a Patriot, he likely would have ended his career on a down note.
They tried with AB, AB just AB’d his way off the team though. If AB and Gordon worked out it would have been better than the receivers that were left. Receiver issue on top of Gronk not being replaced remotely with Oline and FB injury killed that offense.
Tom Brady had a great O line, Great defense, and a Great kicker! Seahawks and falcons blew it against the Patriots and gifted Tom and company two extra rings. The refs blew it against the Raiders in 2001. I mean c'mon man. I'd say 3 or 4 of his rings are legit. 3 of those the kicker won them the game. Montana was 4-0 in the SB dominating every single one.
It seems people are forgetting about the basics of marketing. Shannon played the role of disliking Brady and Skip was pro-Brady. That was the best script that drew the biggest rating for viewers. Shannon is very dramatic and convincing when he talks. Likewise with Skip. In real life, Shannon doesn't hate Tom Brady, he just pretended to because that's what was the most interesting to viewers, hence best possible ratings.
Just because one person is successful it does not automatically mean their ego is huge. It’s a choice to let your ego control you. Tom Brady was very humble and continually took a pay cuts.
I said for years that Brady allows the patriot way to exist. People were bought in to Brady, not Bill. And having Brady be able to lead top 5 offenses every year regardless of personnel meant Bill could draft defense in the first round every year. It meant he could sign the best free agent corner every few years. Bill was basically able to ignore the offensive side of football for 15 years. Without Brady Bill would have been fired and would be a DC somewhere.
Bledsoe being knocked out in game 2 of the 2001 season basically saved Bill's job in New England, because I find it hard to believe that Bill would have put in Brady until it was too late to salvage the 2001 season
For years Bill got the credit. DONT LET THE MEDIA FOOL YOU. They were all selling that narrative and weren’t giving Brady his credit. Thank you Shannon for admitting Brady was great.
Some of Bradys records will stand for decades and may never be broken. 7 Superbowls, 35 Playoff Wins, 251 Reg season wins, combined 102,616 Passing yards Reg. season and playoffs, combined 737 Touchdowns Reg. season and Playoffs, 6 game winning drives in the Superbowl, 46 fourth Quarter comebacks, 19 Division titles, 14 Conference championship games, 15 Probowls, 10 seasons receiving an MVP vote, first player to win a game in 4 countries. He's the GOAT and Shannon on Undisputed with Skip trashed him for years.
dont think that way... its like being an american, questioning your teams moves and motives is just a sign you care deeply and earnestly.. you understand what happened, you can articulate and defend it... i always love my pats, but i am mad at them for how they did our boy... how how how??? there will never be another and we WHAT@!!??? well here we are... think of this.. i called weei once to unpack this and even they were taken a back.... If tom had never left, he would have never won or even sniffed at another ring... him leaving allowed him to stop mahomes one more time.. "the baby goat" was set and ready for take off into NFL stratosphere if he had gone back to back, and Brady, once again like Mahomes kryptonite he is, stopped his pursuit one more time, with a brand new team, that was ranked one of the worst just a year prior... they won doing it Toms way.. what he needed and wanted, Bruce was a place holder.. a fun one, but just a figure head.. Tom was running fucking everything... they wanted him to... Like i said, i hate that brady didnt play out his career here, but him leaving allowed him to set a few more real GOAT records, undeniably establish his legend, and stick it to the PATIROTS of all people!!! its a story that couldnt have been written better and its no better fitting than to be the story of, Tom Brady.... we as pats fans should be so grateful and gracious to have watched it unfold, over 20+ years with toothpicks and microscopes, we got to romanticize and fawn over our beloved, hansom, godlike, PERFECT HUMAN, my idol... Tom Fuckin Brady
The “17 Star General” comment is so spot on. Brady was the field general and he made other players great on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Great teams or rock bands always comes down to the right people, the right situation at the right time.
Said it at the time. Brady won with every bad BB trade with every line up he got. He won seven superbowl with seven different teams. Brady was the work ethic and the fire.
As a lifelong Patriots fan i can honestly say Belichek must go! We would have been Happy seeing Tom Brady lose every game until he was 50 because he deservesd that right! We could have won at least three more Lombardi's! Belichek is a below 500 coach without Brady and is a fraud.he has released all star after all star .Shame on Robert Kraft also for ever allowing Brady to be unhappy after what he did for this franchise.He played in 10 Superbowls in 20 years thats a ridiculous stat in itself.People say we are spoiled in New England and thats not the case ,we are pissed off .get rid of Belichek and his arrogant troll like personality!
The Superbowls were fake. They were all assisted by the NFL because Brady brought ratings...this is how the real world works, not the illusion of fake NFL football...
As a longtime Pats fan, I been telling people it's Brady over Belichick. Mac Jones is not good at all, our offense is terrible, our defense is putrid. Belichick needs a reality check, huge one.
For a good while it was Brady and Manning. I always leaned towards Manning. Looking back on it, I think it was largely because Manning was more outgoing and likeable. Brady had a more reserved personality that didn't necessarily lead to "likeability". Fact is, Brady is the most accomplished QB ever and that won't change. Respect.
All scripted. Roles played on these shows. steven A Smith hated on Brady and was an Aaron worshiper till he got Max Kellerman to take the role of Brady hater. Moment Max was off First Take he started going gaga for Tom.
Randy Moss never won a SB. Brady’s won 6 with not one HOF offensive player (except Gronk). In the 6 SB winning seasons the number of OL that made the pro bowl: 0.
I’m pretty sure Mankins was a pro bowler and he had some other good linemen like Light and Thuney But overall, I agree his offensive cast around was a year after year revolving door of castaways who did nothing after leaving Pats He never had the Hall of Famers Peyton or Mahomes had. Even Brees had better longer tenured white receivers and running backs Yes, aside from Gronk and a cup of coffee with Moss, he had mediocre offensive players around him
Bill never really built a team around Tom. Bill thought he could make any player good, but it was Tom doing that. Now that Tom is gone, the Patriots are in the crapper. If Bill believed in Tom more and built a team around him, they would have had more rings.
Yeah, it was Tom brady who single handedly held the Rams to 3 points in 2019 and 17 in 2002. He also stifled the Chiefs offense, holding them to just 3 FGs. Crazy how only one team put up 30+ points on the Pats they lose that Super Bowl, but that ones on Bill, too. Along with the Giants SB losses in 2008 and 2012. If only Bill could have held them to 14(2008) or 10(2012) points 😢
Brady drafted 199 out of 200, bog chip on his shoulders, had a lot yo prove then did prove his abilities, played to mid 40's, the goat, coach would never had those rings without Brady... was a joy watching him for twenty years, win, win, win Tom THANKS FOR THE INCREADABLE RIDE, NEVER BORING
Belichick didn't want to give Tom brady 2 year 25 million/year deal. You had patriots coach coming out and saying they could win superbowls with a top 15 qb. No way underling of bill has that attitude if it wasn't also bills feeling. Not to mention Bills girlfriend shitting on brady on too. I feel for bill too. I think he has slowly come to realize how much Tom meant to him all these years and you can see him softening a bit with all the losses he is taking.
tom had a special ability : not arm strength, not accuracy, not a special roster. it was a combination of decision making in every circumstance and a brother like relationship with his teammates which contributed to a continuous success. if a non a pro bowler like edelman is able to make a playoff decisive performance, it all comes down to a great performing qb and the struggles of present day patriots are a proof of his influence on the pitch.
So, it was Brady's fault that he only had to score more than 30 points in his entire career 44 times out of 285 games he played for New England? Belichick ensured that Brady didn't have to go out and score on every drive from 2001-2019! 84.56% of Brady's starts the opposing teams score less than 30. The only team in that span who allowed less 30 point games were Baltimore with 42! Please!!!!!
Rex Ryan had to say it real quick that he hasn’t done what Beli did 😂 cause he knew people gonna say he’s hatin cause he always lost to Bill 😂 so he got out in front of it , “look Bill has done things I’ve never done , however it’s not you it’s the kids” lmfaooooo
Belichick is a great defensive coordinator, but his draft record is decidedly mixed and he's rarely tried to use free agency to get receivers to compensate for his weakness drafting the position. I think he's a great coach, but a coach has so much less of an impact on the team than the players, especially the QB. It's hard to see Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean McVay, or Mike McDaniel making this mistake.
I'm the biggest Brady fan from day 1, but in Bill's defense after every super bowl win, he has always said it's all about the players. Whether those were his true feelings, maybe not, but we're all humans and humans have ego's.
Let's not forget that BB kept TB when he (TB) was fourth in the depth chart. He made the right decision. Fast forward 20 years later, BB hesitated to keep TB for long thinking that he (TB) was done. He made the wrong decision. I'd call it even and not crucify him any further. I'd even give him credit for not letting his emotions get in the way of making crucial decisions.
BB kept Tom because he was the cheapest option. He never for ONE SECOND saw Brady as a or the starter. Evidence by the fact he gave Bledsoe the highest contract in the history of the game at that in the off season. If it wasn't for Mo Lewis BeliDork is fired within another season. He would have NEVER played Brady. Belidork is not the person for the drafting of Tom Brady. His qb coach at the time begged him to. With his 9th pick of the day, a throwaway pick, he did so to please Dick Rehbein, who would die a year later. Then BeliChump wanted to get rid of Brady after the 1st three SB's by not offering him a contract (tte same way hi did it in the end). But Kraft went around him and did the deal. BeliDork was ALWAYS effing it up. it was Brady that made him look good.
@@MrBlackbolt1 In the end, Brady was retained, regardless of circumstances. BB could have traded him but he didn't. When Bledsoe was ready to assume his post post-injury, it was BB's decision that TB was to be the stater. And the rest is history.
@s.t.santos5928 That is a typical wuss out reply by somebody who's been sucking BeliDork balls for so long they cant think straight. I didn't expect anything better (even when presented with the FACT you keep on sucking like it is a pacifier ) from anybody who's still stupid enough to think that BeliDork was the reason why they won.
@@TBDtribute BeliDork didn't do jach schitt for Brady. Brady made the whole thing goi DESPITE BeliDork asholishness. BeliDork is a LOSER... look at him now
Anyone that can't give TB12 the cred he earned & deserves is not deserving of of a voice to be heard. Tom Brady is the man! I doubt anyone will reach his stats!
@@TBDtribute I'm so happy and thankful, that you still doing these Brady videos man. NFL will never be the same, without Tom. God Bless and much love, from Hungary!
@@themrkoxi8334 hey bro. thanks for the kind words and taking the time to write it. i haven't been able to watch a game of football since brady retired :(
The desire in the football world for drama between Belichick and Brady is amazing. It's always seemed pretty clear to me that the conflicts were between Kraft and Belichick, so Tom leaving mostly freed him from drama, while Bill got to keep the drama, and had to teach some new kid how to lead a team. It's impossible to win in this league without a good QB, and as the draft teaches us every year, as it taught us with Tom Brady, scouting is basically a crap shoot, and no one is good at evaluating who will take to the NFL grind, and who wont, especially under center.
@@TBDtribute It is, though honestly, Kraft wasnt going to pay for another championship - Tampa was willing. Brady wouldnt have gotten the storybook send off if he'd stayed. So like, it stunk, but it was the right move for him. And I dont think there was a right move for the Pats - Brady's time was coming to an end, one way or another, and ownership doesnt seem particularly interested in what comes after.
Still working the circus eh. Y'all forget... that defense didn't start playing like that until TOM became the qb. Thats RIGHT. it was the same defense from the year before and NO ONE was calling that unit a great defense.
@@MrBlackbolt1ya Brady always lit a fire underneath every teammate That’s what great leaders. The Pats went 5-11 in 2000 with the same personnel around Bledsoe
At least he openly admitted it instead of having someone drag it out. Belichick has a great system but systems mean nothing if you don’t have the players to make it work. Kobe and MJ won with Phil’s system but that system is nothing without them.
Coach still deserves his own credit. Tom Brady first three rings were world class defense and coaching. Tom went to the most talented team in the league and won another one. It doesn't take anything from Bill.
No man is an island. Its a team game, including coach and staff. Tom wouldn't be as great without Bill and Bill wouldn't have been as great without Tom. And both probably had 100s of other people in their life supporting and inspiring them.
The Patriots won the division in 11 consecutive seasons from 2009-19 and won it in 17/18 seasons with Brady under center. Under Bill Belichick, the Patriots have failed to win the AFC East just 6 times. The 2020, 2021, and 2022 seasons marked the 1st time under him that they went 3 seasons without winning the division. They've also missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 years and haven't won a playoff game since 2018. 1.) Bill Belichick has a worse record without Tom Brady, 81-93 (.465%), (.472% in NE) than Rex Ryan an average coach, 61-66 (.480%) 2)Belichick made the playoffs just 22 percent of the time without Tom Brady and he is 1-2 in those games.(The latest an embarrassing 47-17 beat down at the hands of Josh Allen and the Bills) Bill Belichick in 11 seasons of coaching without Tom Brady: 81-93 Record 42-43 at Home 31-67 vs .500 teams (16-38 w/NE) 55-70 w/1st Round Picks at QB 67-76 w/Pro Bowl QBs 7 losing seasons. 0 Superbowls. 0 conference titles. 0 division titles. 1 playoff win. How do you explain this? 🧐 Bill Belichick with Tom Brady: 249-75. 77% win percentage Patriots since 2000 At Gillette Stadium Tom Brady starts: 134-23 (.854) Other QB starts: 19-18 (.513) When Allowing 17+ Points Tom Brady starts: 118-73 (.618) Other QB starts: 16-44 (.267) When allowing 24+ points Tom Brady starts: 56-61 .479 win% 126 higher than 2nd place Since Brady left: 2-23 .008 win% 2nd lowest in that span BB with Tom Brady: Averaged 28 PPG BB with every other QB: Averaged 18 PPG At home vs AFC East since 2001 with Tom Brady: (47-5, .904) w/o Tom Brady: (6-9, .400) Bill Belichick when opponent scores 30+ points With Brady: 15-27 Without Brady: 0-24 The Patriots with Mac Jones are now 0-13 whenever an opponent scores 25+ points Pats since 2000 against teams that made the playoffs With Brady: 89-42 (.679) W/o Brady: 10-25 (.286) If PHI, MIA, DAL all make the playoffs this season, it would move that to 10-28 2000 Patriots (with Drew Bledsoe): 5-11 record 25th in PPG 17th in pass offense DVOA 21st in offensive DVOA 23rd in offensive EPA/play 2001 Patriots (with Tom Brady) 14-3 record, Super Bowl champs 6th in PPG 10th in pass offense DVOA 11th in offensive DVOA 10th in off EPA/play Patriots were 5-13 in BB and Drew Bledsoe's first 18 games together(that's the same record as the Colts started with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis). Patriots were 15-3 in BB and Brady's first 18 games together. Games started by Brady in those games in 2001 the Patriots offense averaged 26.6 PPG which would've been second in the NFL in scoring offense that season behind only the greatest show on turf Rams who led the league in scoring averaging 31.4 PPG. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, BB had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense was ranked 25th in ppg scored in 2000 with Bledsoe(4x pro bowler) as the QB. In 2001, Brady's first year as the starter, the Patriots were ranked 6th in scoring offense. Belichick’s “system” 2001: 6 PPG increase with Brady 2008: 11 PPG decrease without Brady 2016: 10 PPG increase with Brady 2020: 6 PPG decrease without Brady Maybe BB is a "system coach." 🐸☕️
Montana won his 4th ring the first season under Seifert in back to back. It was still the same team that Walsh just won a ring with the season before. That is far different than Brady winning a ring with a different franchise.
Mr. Shannon, Bill won two Superbowls with the Giants, and he still having found an adequate replacement for Brady. Because Bill is more of a defensive mind.
Action speaks much louder than words. Goes to another team and a miracle happens again 🏆💎. And really their are teams that still would hire that old man today and maybe some more jewelry 💎🏆
*WWWOOOWWW* Amazing. I didn't know Tom also handled the Defence and Special Teams as well as the offence while playing. *WWWOOOWWW* That's amazing. Where did he find the time? Well done Sportscasters and RU-vid geniuses. You nailed it.
I never doubted TB... as the GOAT... and moreso.. when the Pats were in a year of unbelievable injuries../ lost players.. and the Announcer said.. that Brady went and bought a program, before the game, so he could see , who he was supposed to throw the ball to.... That's Greatness.
The problem here is that we are looking at Tom Brady with Tampa Bay, but that same Tom Brady with the Patriots couldn't win his last game with them. He literally ended the pats season vs the titans his last season there also if its all brady why didn't he put up more then 13 points then if he's that great vs the rams? Yes, he is good, but he needs a good team around him
People forget Brady's goal is to win, no matter what. The Pats team was average at best in 2020, especially with Gronk gone. Even Brady realized he wouldn't have his best chance to win if he stayed in NE, so he left to Tampa who had a top 5 defense. There, he convinced Gronk, AB, and even Fournette to join him, before making history. If Brady stayed with the Pats, he still probably could have convinced AB to join him, but Gronk would likely stay retired, thus drastically reducing the chance of him winning his 7th. Him going to Tampa was the best thing he could have done in that situation.
I keep seeing people talk about Shannon wasn’t like this on undisputed. Shannon admitted that Brady should take the most credit on undisputed, go search for the episode if y’all like. He just left before the patriots had this sh*t season as it is now
@@TBDtribute yea he did, when the Bucs won the superbowl he said it. The second season of Mac jones he said it as well. The clips are there for everyone to see
What I find amazing is noone thinks that the best QB and the Winningest SuperBowl QB ,who also happens to work the hardest AND took less money to bring in more talent can expect LOYALTY and Admiration and Respect and a 5 year extension.If Anyone deserved to be highest paid QB it should have been him.Belichick was evil and selfish and vindictive and he deserves to be known as the "Coach who was nothing without Tom Brady "
@@TBDtribute I know Tom will NEVER admit it,but he wanted to play past 47.I also think if he received Pro Bowl protection from an Offensive Line,he would not only be able to play past 46 yrs old, and he would still be top 5 statistically.
@@TBDtributeNew England deserved Tom Brady but Bill Belichick most certainly didn't. When he first picked Tom over Bledsoe he was new and a Good faith Actor, but later he grew jealous of Tom Brady and actively took steps to undermine Tom Brady and actively took step to lose a SuperBowl and a playoff game because his jealousy of Tom Brady became more important than team success. Even Bill Parcells new that Belichick was nothing without Tom Brady, if you recall it was Bill Belicheck benching his Pro Bowl center right before a playoff game against the Jets because he made fun of Bill Parcells foot fetish. You fine a player but you don't sit him in an important game with SuperBowl implications.Parcells new Belichick had dark intentions and threw the game and that's why BILL Belichick will never win anything without Tom Brady. Without Tom Brady he is a disgrace. Bill Belichick was a hall of fame Defensive Coordinator who got to pretend to be a great Head coach because of Tom Brady and now the whole World knows this to be true.
