Shaper Slotting 

Now you're cookin'! Constructive experimentation, ramp up and a bit over to find the sweet spot. There's several possible sources for the "jumping" you noted with the 1" tool. If it isn't slide motion, it's most likely slack somewhere in the clapperbox, possibly the pin clearance or the fit on the ledge. A clapperbox is a super precisely fitted assembly if it's to function with a minimum of lost motion and still clap freely under gravity alone. Put a finger over the clapperbox hinge joint to detect relative movement. The pin is tapered and may be re-reamed a trifle deeper with the clapper dressed and re-fitted tight to the ledge. The trick is to find a reamer that matches the pin taper. You only have to clean it up and install the pin deeper. If the Gods are kind you can get several re-fittings out of a clapperbox pin. On broad and form cuts there is a tendency for the tool, if fed too small an increment, to deflect up and polish the previously cut surface. The temptation is to increase the end clearance to make the tool more aggressive but the real solution is to doctor the clapperbox. No slack = nowhere for the tool to jump. By the way, it takes a dead keen cutting edge to cut predictably in fine down-feeds. Gooseneck tools. They're easy to make. Have your local CNC plasma guy burn you out gooseneck tool blanks of assorted widths from AR plate. Skim the clamping surfaces with a face mill and machine a weld inlay prep where the cutting edge goes. Stoody makes an M42 hardfacing rod mold makers use to patch up wear points on forming and drawing dies. It makes a good cutting edge, about Rc 60-62 as-welded. No HT necessary after inlay. I suggest the HSS inlay to be over-width as needed to clean up, 3/16" thick x 3/8" to 5/8" back from the cutting edge. Know a real good TIG guy to make the inlay? The trick is to lay it in without diffusing base metal up into the inlay. Back in the day, our welder used atomic hydrogen but I've done it with TIG. Go carefully and watch for porosity in the butter layer (first pass over the base metal.) Careful, indeed: the rod cost about $8 for each 1/8 dia x 14" stick. I don't know how much now. I calculate 1 rod will make a 3/6 finished inlay 3/4" wide x 1/2" face length. A stick of 3/4" square M42 cobalt tool steel costs about $40 so t ain't THAT expensive even figuring in blanks shanks in batches. I'll look for a HSS TIG rod source. Make sure whatever you use in the inlay is HSS. Nickel manganese based hard facing is durable as hell on an excavator bucket but it doesn't hold a cutting edge. Maybe here: www.airgas.com/category/Welding-Products-Filler-Metal-TIG-Rod-GTAW-TIG-Rod-Hard-Facing/_/N-8c3?ef_id=WpoeWwAAAGh9-EN7%3A20180315042322%3As&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkKPVBRDtARIsAA2CG6G5VrApEiv9MgBJx8vzw9kw8r_lOCF91Vx4InpYerpXNfXMdo8YNGUaAnKBEALw_wcB&s_kwcid=AL%214811%213%21208472354629%21b%21%21g%21%21%2Brod+%2Bhard+%2Bfacing&SEM%3AGoogle%3AFiller_Metal%3AStick_Electrode_smaw_BMM%3ASearch%3A208472354629%3A%3ASearch%3Afillermetal%3A+rod++hard++facing%3Ab%3AAcquisition But it doesn't say "M42." If you decide to really get into working your shaper, you'll need grooving and form tools. Stock in an assortment of gooseneck tool blanks skimmed and ready. As you need tooling you can mill the relief contour and inlay the HSS. Takes about two hours if you have the stuff on hand. One of the hours is for still air cooling the HSS inlay. If you ever get to the point where your tool collection out-weighs the shaper, you're about average for a 10 year shaper hand. Planer hands have a lower tool to machine weight ratio but you have to figure in the table hardware and set-up equipment. A long established press brake die shop is a different animal. They might have three hundred feet of full dimension 2 x 12 shelving solid with form tools, a good many used for one job. You ever get a chance to collect "OK" planer tool shanks and tool bits in the smaller size suited for shapers jump ar it. Haven't seen them for years but somewhere old guys hoarded collections. Looks like machine shop junk to civilians but to a planer/shaper hand they're like gold and dancing girls rolled into one.

I am really enjoying seeing you get the machine sorted out and learning at the same time. It is like a treasure hunt every week. :-)

Adam, In 1967, I was in metals in high school.We had a shaper in the classroom. I had never seen one but I elected to make a 2 jaw gear puller. The body and the arms were all made on the shaper and the ram was cut from 3/4 inch hex stock machined down and threaded on a lathe. Enjoyed working with the old shaper and won a county award with the tool. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the videos.

I could sit here all day watching this shaper and listening to this gentle giant talking, alas i have real life stuff to do ......love it

Hi , thanks a lot for all of your videos. I have got same shaper machine over five years. We are cutting flat grass and large diameters gear with this machine . I will send you some photos of vertical rotary table attached to the machine while cutting very large diameter gear.

I don't know about anyone else..i have had a blast watching you with this shaper. Thanks for sharing.

There is definetly not enough shaper-content on youtube ;) Nice machine!

Loving the shaper videos Adam! I cant wait to see it push a large radius or form tool! After watching your videos in my senior year of high school I became motivated to be a machinist (whether in skill or in trade), so I went out and bought a $400 hobby-grade metal lathe and started to learn what I could at that scale. The next year I went to college and am now (a year later) one of the only people making parts with the CNC lathe on the FSAE team. I made some hubs the other day with a tolerance of 5 tenths; I split that right down the middle. Thank you for the inspiration you have given me and for all of the valuable skills you share with us here in the RU-vid community! Best wishes ;) ~Miguel

Adam, traced some of my shaper chatter back to the clapper box taper pin. Simple re-ream back to tolerance, much better finish. Hope this helps, keep up the great work.

Beautiful. Thank you Adam. That big shaper tool bit gift was just awesome. It seemed to cut a lot better as well. Makes sense what you said about the shakes geometry. BTW, that decimal for its width is 25mm :-) Sheffield England was the motherland of machining and manufacturing in England. Even today but back then, it was a mecca for manufacturing. LOADS of heavy industry. My company started there in 1969 :-)

Just found your channel yesterday Adam, and I just want to say thank you so much for what you do! We need more people like you who are willing to show, explain, and record what it's like to do what you do. You never know who you could inspire!

Love these videos. It really shows me how to use my shaper. All I have is a 100 year old 13 inch southbend lathe and a little atlas 7b shaper. It's actually amazing what I can do with just those two machines and a bit of garage time

Always a pleasure learning and watching you learn. Love your style Adam.

I may be sick but the entertainment value on this channel is 110%, THANKS for taking the time to share. The viewer gifts are really raising the bar...

Adam I love your work bc your so humble. You never have click bait. U do it bc u love it not for views or subs..Thank you Adam

Hi Adam, I love your enthusiasm for your shaper. What a superb machine and operator combo.

I love getting to see conventional machines operate. I program and operate CNC mills and lathes so i know what they can do but to see these conventional machines operated by a skilled machinist is a real treat, and it still amazes me what you can do without computers.

Your enjoyment with the "new" shaper is really obvious! I'm amazed how easily/effortlessly it cuts. The force it exerts must be enormous. I like how you're learning to use the shaper - one step at a time.

Never can get enough of your videos. This one I really enjoyed. Keep them coming

It has been great visiting these older posts. Thanks again fella !

Made me reminisce about shop days in HS in the 60's. Set up the shaper to rough out for parallels. Going like gang busters when Mr. Calvo my mentor shop teacher came up and very calmly said " Ed do you feel that machine shaking?" I said yes, and the next words out of his mouth load enough for the whole shop to hear was- WELL THEN TURN THATG!!%%##D##THING DOWN!!! Some of my old class mates that I still see still remind me of that one. Great memories and a great shop teacher and education. Ed K. Cleve. Oh. class of '70. Keep them coming. Thanks

Nice Job Adam, looking good. Always fun working your way around a machine and figuring out all the little tricks. Keep up the good work👍

For those of us who can't afford the machines, we live vicariously through your youtube channel.. Thanks for such great content Mr. Booth. That said... I'm excited..I can't wait till we see you making splined shafts!

Geebus Murphy that machine is't a shaper...that's a metal moving monster! Just impressive what it's capable of. Oh and keep up the good work sir, the content is much appreciated, a true craftsman doing what he loves.

This is really cool Adam, and Thank you for all the content. It helps me greatly out of a dark place.

I wish I was your neighbor. I live in Alaska and we don't have that many machine shops. I'm trying to make one but finding machines is close to impossible and the ones that are out there are sad sad and beat to shyzzza to many hammer and chisel guys. SO THANK YOU FOR THE LEARNING EXPERIENCES AND THE TIME YOU TAKE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND MACHINING.

Shaping up nicely, Adam!

There is something very mesmerizing watching metal being shaved. Thanks for the video!

I can't wait to have my own shop one day seeing your videos inspire me to become a better machinist!

That door stop is coming out pretty good. Thanks for the video.

My fathers workplace used to have quite a large shaper. It was built in 1906, had a stroke of four meters and was entirely mechanical with open gears. They used it instead of a mill to avoid heating materials that needed to be straight, sharpen the blades for their big metal shear and make tools for their hydralic press.

The Edgar Allen 52 is money! So awesome to see new old stock being used for it's intended purpose. It's all great to look at, sure, but even better to actually keep it movin!

Awesome video! I like the hand wheel idea you talked about, that would be a cool project to make. I'm glad it was in the catalog I sent you!

your right, there's so many things that figure into it, looks like your on the right track, the cuts are looking great. can hardly wait until the next video.

Happy Pi Day, RIP Professor Hawking. Thanks for the videos Abom.

So cool to see those Schedule Abom chips rolling off that steel, great stuff Adam.

Love watching those chips form. There is an older you tube video showing a huge green cincinnati planer with a 30 foot long bed making chips that i replay all the time . I am going to watch it again right now.

Such a satisfying sound 😍

Adam. Few have so mastered two skills. One: the machinist lore.. There Sir, you HAVE it. Three generations alive in one man. Another: RU-vid video. Angles, the things WE want to see... not necessarily what CBS would want ina videographer but what WE YOUR WATC HERS want. the RIGHT angles. with the right comentary, the right actions as only a master machinist can... Watching chips come off your shaper is almost well "This is 41" my Gawd.... flippin SWEET sir. That pile of chips...say it all. Damn... man. I have spent HOURS watching you. and ALL your vids. I salute a true master. Me 'at is off to Yee

Can't wait to see your video, when you pull the head apart to sort out the slack. I'm a woodworker, but my son is a machinist engineer. love your work. Cheers from Westen Australia

Great to see a tool made in England being used for the purpose its makers intended, albeit belatedly and across the pond. Here in Blighty our great industrial heritage is considered only fit to serve as attractions in a museum.

Nice to see a shaper doing some beefy metal removal!!! Thank you for posting Adam:) You are a great Men.

Many years ago, I worked in an oil tool shop.They had a big shaper to cut very large internal drive splines. It made a 1" cut with a 1" wide tool set in a boring bar, no side feed at all. I built a ratchet mechanism that automatically advanced the downfeed on every back stroke. We got a good, clean cut with no chatter. Made the entire shop shake a little, though.

Thanks Adam loving the shaper video. I just got a new milling machine today and will be excited to get it going.

Looking good Adam - and so are you!

Hey Abom, great progress on the shaper cutting. Can’t wait to see what you find when you dig into that toolhead

It must be nice to leave your shop doors open at night and not have to worry about bugs this time of year. Thanks again, Adam.

I use to run a planer as a young machinist and was told to make all the tool end reliefs at a 1 degree clearance. I was told that the tool would last longer with more 'meat' behind the cutting edge. Didn't do much steel but this worked very well on cast iron.

T-shirt: Aalllllrrriight Thank you for sharing your craft!

Love the shaper series Adam. I get to learn even though I don't have one.

Man that spring tool is so freaking awesome.

I am glad that your efforts are showing fruit on the shaper and I look forward to more developements, but, don't forget, you have a surface grinder to get to grips with yet as well.

Great video Adam!!! On the gib adjustment on my shaper that flat head screw comes out it is a cap and it has an allen head behind it that you adjust the gib with. Mine is a gemco but looks alot like yours on the adjustment side!! Just throwing that out there man keep up the good work sir!!!!

Love the sound it makes cutting the chip

Great video Adam. Wonderful old machine. 👍

I work on machines that us a shaper type mechanism for generating bevel gears. It's quite normal for the chips to snap off the ends and go flying, with a very loud snap, it's also normal for lots of smoke as the chip carries away the heat from cutting. Congratulations, it looks like you're getting things more dialed in.

Adam muy buenos tus videos, sos un excelente profesional. Me gustan tus trabajos en torno. Abrazo desde Buenos Aires, Argentina!!

Adam, you may want to do some slow or fast motion with the camera -- you can see things you can't by eye. On the wide tool bit it sort of looked to me the ram may be slightly lifting on the operator side. I would also look at your clapper pivot pin for a sloppy fit. Criag

Looking really good Adam.

Really like your Vids, they are calming and I don't know why , Also I am suggesting an Abom79 drinking game, every time we hear a siren on one of your vids we all have to down a beer :)

Hi Adam, Well tuning in on Wednesday evenigs is becoming addictive. It's so great watching you debugg the shaper. I have my 2 techs at work tuning into your channel now. Similar to Bob Harper on Greatest Loser, we ask each other when hitting snags or issues, " what would Abom do". I especially like to say that when I see them not chamfering or deburring before double checking their work. Great habits to learn. Thanks

I am Sheffield England raised! Nothing makes me happier than seeing our steel all over the world. Sheffield isn't called The Steel City for nothing.

Hah, I live in Sheffield England, that was probably made a couple of minutes walk from where I am :)

It makes me grin every time I see this machine in operation. Adam, I watched the shaper video with my old man (the former Navy machinist) and he was tickled pink watching that 1" tool rip that metal apart. Nice going, man! Not sure if it's the lighting or the diet, but you face looks a good bit thinner than half a year ago.

Nice Cuts! that new 1" tool peels away a nice chip!

Thoroughly enjoyed that video Adam, especially seeing you so happy with your progress at the end. It's been mentioned below and on earlier threads, re seat the clapper taper pin to hold that clapper firm for cuts. I found 0.003" of wear out of the thin end front side of my clapper pin and that allowed excesses movement of the clapper and thus the tool on cut entry. I had to machine a new taper pin to suit. Hope to get the video up in the next couple of days to show it. Love the Stag Major series of British HSS superweld tools. You can still find them for sale in the U K . No one wants the gooseneck types these days ..... postage hurts though 😆All the best Mat

Ok. We've seen plenty of big chips and big cuts. Now is the time for a new play and video. Super finishing cuts. Grind yourself a shear tool, 0.001-0.003" max DOC and check your amazing finishes out. Sometimes it's so good, it looks & feels surface ground! Regards, Mike NE Thailand

Thats sounding much happier Adam :). I hear ya on the tool steel being a different material etc, ive no experience there. Another thing you can try in mild steel is putting monster rake on the tools, im talking a good 30̊ - 45̊ of rake into the cutting face, use as little relief as poss to keep as much meat in the tool as you can. Just grind some small ones for the holder and have a play. The tool you got sent is a beauty, could also use it to finish cut. Tilt it over a smidge so the leading edge is a touch lower, take a light cut with a big step over. Nice finish for say a table top for example. That big grin says it all, theres no saving you now mate lol ;)

always happy to have a newvideo

I look forward to your use of tools that cut progressively with the auto-feed engaged to make cuts towards the sides.

Sweet! Nothing like turning a nice piece of cold rolled into nothing but chips! Two thumbs up.

So happy to see you getting into shapers Adam, very cool. I have a 18" Peerless (Canadian) shaper and will be very interested in further vid's on shapers in general... Please carry on...!!!

Amazing to see a tool holder that stout is bending, then springing back!

Watching this I realized that with the right grind on your HSS bit, and some different work-holding you could cut some pretty large gears with that shaper. Way cool technology from 'way back.

NIce. Solid progress! A quick thought, maybe throw an indicator on the table/vise to make sure it's not deflecting. I'm thinking it may be moving a bit on it's ways and causing the alternate light/heavy cuts. That could also be responsible for the jump at the start of the heavy cuts. You could be making some very cool "Chip" keychains out of some of your practice chips. Put them up for sale for a shop fund or something. Thanks again for the ride along.

Damn I love this shaper!

Thanks Adam for sharing us these nice minutes,, when I do such like this shaper job I get the head down as possible as it can be and lock the head and cranck the knee moving the table up .anyway thanks, again.

Adam you once again never fail to excite the masses. Those chips might as well be little debbie swiss rolls..lol be safe

Excellent content - I have been learning a lot from watching you. Looking good - like you're ready to drop down in shirt sizes!!

Hi Adam I can never tire of watching these videos of yours.

looking great Adom.

beautiful machine man, I have never even seen one. cheers Adam

What a beast, it sure removes a lot material quickly

Much better performance than before.

I think you must grind your tool with a smaller cutting angle and a larger backangle, so the cutting will be smoother . 40 years ago I did a lot of shaping, we also used this type of forged tooling.

Adam listening to you talk about the hand wheel on the top feed down adjustment i think it would be neat to incorporate a ratchet similar to the table but manual ratchet action. That way each audible click would be graduated into X number of thousands. Just thinking out loud. Also as your learning curve progresses please show close ups of the tool bits you are using for the particular job and it would help it the camera was located where the viewer could see the action of the tool bit as the work is being preformed. Thanks for sharing and please don't take my suggestions as controlling. It is just something i would like to see. Thanks again for all your time and effort.

Adam,I think that you should also check the gib adjustment on your downfeed, and also you might want to check the clapper pivot for any excess slop.

if you go frame by frame at 9:20 (when paused, use the < and > keys to travel one frame) you can see the whole table deflect when the tool enters the cut, and then deflect back when the tool leaves the cut. Just goes to show how much force it takes to shear metal!

Hi Adam I can never tire of watching your RU-vid channel.

glad you tried flipping the holder around i was interested in seeing what diff it would make.

WHOA, once you got up to 34 strokes/min it was seriously removing material!!! Thanks for the cool vid

Looks good Adam the chips are flying that's the only way to learn !!!!

hello adam I am from Brazil I am a fan of your work I would love to learn more from you about this magnificent tool "planer" and its applications in machining because I want to buy one already thank you is the best of all here on you tube congratulations sorry not understand your explanations in English ...

My shaper is tiny by comparison, 10" stroke, but it had the same bounce on entry issue. It turned out to be backlash in the down feed. Snugging up the gibs and running the toolslide out then back to set the down cut gets rid of most of the bounce. The rake of the tool seems to affect it too.

i can tell your having a blast running and feeling that shaper! Rock on bro!

This looks like a great tool for making heat sinks.

Good video Adam . Your gaining on it

Awesome stuff Abom, would love to see you making some super thin cuts, like what you would see on a heat sink. Greetings from South Africa

I Believe the pronunciation is (Dah eechee here a),but anyway Seems your joy has exponentially increased since repair of the G&E Great video as always.

Fun! I wish you could mount the camera to the sliding part of the shaper so we can watch what the tool does as it goes through the metal. A few slomo takes and maybe we could see what causes that initial pop up on the larger tools?