Shaq Shares Why Kevin Durant Doesn’t Belong In GOAT Debates 

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Gotta show some respect to the greatest player to ever make multiple burner accounts

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Get a life lmao

If Duncan danced to rap music and showed up to media press conferences with a bunch of chains and diamonds on the media would rank him higher

@@stevenscummy1458not true

@@stevenscummy1458no centre or power forward will ever be the goat anymore unless they can dribble ,shoot , pass and athletic

@@Camefromnone Nah this current era outlaws defense and physicality. People who weren't old enough to remember pre-2015 NBA won't know the difference, but everybody else does

Bro Shaq mentioned Curry. 😅. If that's the case KD definitely in GOAT convo. KD was clearly better than Curry even on his own team.

Because he couldn't shoot

@jbssmith100 There are more people that have existed that could conceivably do what KD does with enough practice and support then there are people that could effectively do what Shaq did.

​@@jbssmith100who cares if you still cant stop him. Shaq's dunks give you the same points as all KD or Kyries long middies

Being dominant inside and an all around great are two different things. Shaq missed thousands of points on free throws alone which are some of the easiest shots in the league hence the word "free" in it. KD can score in the paint, mid range, from 3, and take you on the dribble. This is why Shaq doesn't include himself in the debate because he was just dominant inside. Not enough for GOAT consideration. Top 3 big men all time no doubt but he lacked many CORE BASKETBALL SKILLS.@@Querymonger

⁠​⁠@@jbssmith100u realize teams had to have 3 people foul out of the game to slow shaq down right? regardless of his ability to shoot freethrows or not, being so dominant that youre forcing teams to throw players at you as a strategy is insane

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People fail to always mention this though: The Warriors went for him, not the other way around!

@@tbjb009 who cares bro that just beat him hell naa

If you honestly believe that then the moment Lebron went to Miami and teamed up with Wade and Bosh, that takes him out of the conversation as well.

He lost to them in the conference finals shut up

@@MmaMadman85 its not the same clown be original and come up with your own thought process instead of sounding like a npc

Mike was dominating WITH hand-checking! He only played a few years without that rule. They had to change the rule because defense was making games UGLY. They were just mugging people.

This is Cap. Kawhi had 1 year left on his contract and was traded to Toronto. Won a chip then left. Not the same ha all.

@@JaeSprooyour a casual as well. Illegal defense was created so Jordan can dominate. You clowns say anything that Jordan says as Gospel. #goeducateyourself

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@@elderesquireThat’s true to be real nothing Wilt said was a lie or wrong Jordan definitely benefited from the rule changes and had the refs in his pocket he was great but he was also pushed by the agenda of the NBA to make him a mega star Wilt was not

U don’t understand what he saying unless u had his experience

He was tired of having coaches that let Russ do whatever the fuck he wanted without any serious accountability

@@vinjoned7081lmao as if hes not the one isoed his way to choke the 3-1 against the Wariors lol

@@dxtremecaliber okay and I watched Russ completely ignore him and take contested threes or long twos just as many times.Its always been known that Russ did things his way granted he’s gotten a lot better as the years go.Theres a reason he was easily able to mesh with Steph and klay clown

@@vinjoned7081 so u go too a team with 2 dudes who shoot 10+ threes a game if he had a issue with Russ which I have never seen anything about I’m sure they would of talked it through

He is the goat

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He is. People keep whining cause he went to the warriors and got support from all stars. Lebron got kyrie, the big three Kobe got shaq Jordan got pippen and rodman Etc Kd joined a white hot team and should’ve got a 3peat. That’s goat status convo.

how is that goat status u joined the best team in the league what r u going on about kd has 2 fmps in like 16 years in the league hes trash all he can do is score midrange pullup or 3 its not impressive u should see how many 34 ppg seasons mj has or 37 ppg hes not even a better scorer than luka LOL luka averaging 28.5 for a career w 73 point game kd is 27.2 with 55 highest scoring game hes not a better scorer than kareem, embiid, wilt, mj, kobe etc@@gillroygarlic3616

He wanted to be in th convo, he got in and the people said NO

So team accomplishments put you there? Because KD is the most decorated Olympic player of all time, 2nd in scoring titles only to MJ, 6x all-nba 1st team, 4x all nba 2nd team, 14x all-star, MVP, 2x FMVP, 2x 50-40-90 club member, he tore his achilles and his shooting stats went up. Saying he doesn't have the accomplishments is admitting that the GOAT is a team award.

Why not? The goat should be based on the individual not tge TEAM accomplishments. Some players had more help than there's so why would you even think of a team accomplishment in a individuals title lol

Duran is better than LeBron queen

Needs more than 1 mvp otherwise you could argue kawhi belongs in the goat convo@MmaMadman85

@w3althyburrito792 how many does Kobe have? Voted awards domt really mean anything because of the politics behind them. Yall cry snub and this n that every single year on mvp and all star stuff but you can understand? Weird...

Shaq was the bus driver. Why is he comparing himself to KD

​@@ownthelibsKD has always been the bus driver in his career. Stop.

@@gioelecarparelli6193kd rode a Tesla bus foh

You crazy if you think Murray isn’t a superstar. Same with Parker /Ginobli/ Kawai, I consider all nba defense players superstars

@@Patton001 murray ain't made an all-star team, much less an all-nba team. he's a really good player tho

@@Patton001thats an all star caliber player but he hasn’t made it yet now bucks is different being that middleton was also an all star

one superstar yes but the entire team is so good and so deep. also Murray is close, particularly how he plays in the playoffs.

Facts anyone who disagrees is ignorant

Kobe wasn’t

Kobe holds the record for most first team all defensive selections and the most amongst gaurds in total selections. Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, Garnett and Bryant share the record for most NBA All-Defensive first team selections with nine. Kobe Bryant has made a total of 12 All-Defensive teams, more than any other guard. Wiki it.

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@@User69-699both weren’t Kobe & MJ 9x 1st team all d and Kobe has 12 total

No not true

If you didn't just roster watch you would know he's had more injuries to his roster than any all time great. In his 17 year career that is 16 years played because he missed one entire year due to the ACL. He's had 1 or 2 starters injured in the playoffs 6 different seasons and missed 3 playoff years basically. So in 16 years he's really only had 7 years to win a chip. 2-3 of those were when he was under 22 years old.

No one is ever by themselves tbh it’s a team sport 😂

@@Shareef505 I know , that's my point I've never seen what he looks like with out a stacked roster. Jordan and Kobe were putting up God like numbers. LeBron was dragging subpar teams to the finals. Durant hasn't done anything spectacular or note worthy outside of the finals run with OKC and the Warriors. He has no real playoff moments whatsoever. His toe being on the 3 point line ?? Maybe lol like seriously Durant hasn't done anything memorable. He has no iconic moments

@@Christopher._M You are missing my point, Durant doesn't have any memorable moments in the playoffs or anything spectacular whatsoever. All you did was list a bunch of excuses. I'm those moments are what I'm talking about when he didn't have a loaded roster he didn't over come it. He didn't do what Jordan, Kobe and Bron did and literally beat the odds. 2 of the worst Rosters ever to make the finals had LeBron on the team. Jordan was winning everything but a title. We watched Kobe drop 81 and literally ball his Achilles off getting his teams in the playoffs and going to the finals. Durant has no signature moment in his NBA career other than going to the warriors. What's his career defining moment.

@@Christopher._M And I don't just roster watch buddy I watch basketball. You didn't even address what I said just listed an career injury report instead of addressing what I said. We never seen KD have to carry a team ever.

That simple 💯💯

They just making excuses to not put him in that conversation

@@ekeneedebeatu2595 KD doesn't have many excuses to be in the conversation.

True. But he not a goat 😂

LeBron compared to KD has: - a better point per game average - a better field goal percentage - on more games played (so more difficult) … and yet he’s not seen as much as a great scorer as KD ! 😂 KD is just the eye test: scoring on jumpers with this height and fluidity, got everyone thinking he’s unstoppable while the only time he was truly unstoppable and proved it to be until winning the chip was with the Warriors when opponents had to guard Curry and Thompson on the same floor 💀 KD is no where near the GOAT debate. Not even top 15 in my book.

Case closed 💯

Shaq over whoopin

AND how many playoffs series russ won when kd move n bro?

@@ojoj5194tell him again😭😭

How many did durant win withought being on a 73 win team exactly he has won jackshit withought the warriors so your argument is stupid especially considering he went to the team that beat him in the playoffs ​@ojoj5194

@@archieherrington9955 the same 82-0 team that blow 3-1 haha keep goin. now my question how many curry won without klay rapstors and green cavs? make sure ur master make the play-in. buy the way no starting on ASG

Just saying shii atp… Russ isn’t even in the discussion

-- Craziest shot? The Iceman's finger roll. Kareem has the most unstoppable hook shot. Best footwork? Hakeem. Curry? Has the range. MJ? The Goat. KD...he's talented and is a Top 20 player, but nah bruh. He's Charmin soft.

KD taller with better handles and better shooting than Gervin, stop it.

@@jan279 Gervin wasn’t allowed to carry the rock either

@@TheRealMichaelP Yeah, and he played against dudes who sniffed coke, drank beer, and smoked cigarettes before games that were tape delayed. Try again, oldhead.

KD is the goat for his fans, stop the hate here my best players ever: 1Bobby sura, Mj, Kobe, Sprewell, shaq, AI, Hill, Penny,Mcdyes, Kemp, Bron, Kd, payton.

He's mine

😂😂😂facts lebron to imagine sayin lebron your goat 😂😂😂 him kd def not no goats

1 league mvp 2 rings 2 fmps because joined top 3 team all-time in 16 seasons lmfao kd is trash dude has played with ibaka,harden,westbrook,kyrie,steph,klay,dray,dbook and has that to show for it hes not even top 10 wtf there are like 5 players with 5 rings who are all ahead of him

If you appreciate basketball he is

Defense lmao you narrative shifters make up any criteria

Neither has Lebron lol Lebron gets scored on a lot btw

@@TheMidnightSun33 tell me any great player in history of the entire game that doesnt get scored on? This is the NBA can we stop acting this isn't normal. We act like every great player got defense like Ben Wallace. LeBron has the most iconic defensive plays in the most critical moments in the playoffs he is not a liability.

@@kelahamutenya3217 “Narrative shifter”? 😂 Why, because my reasoning does match yours? You have your opinion, and I have mine. It’s okay to have different opinions my friend.

He played for them once he was over the hill. He did not go any place in his prime. Also Shaq is not calling himself the goat.

Is wasn't goofy he wanted to for golden state who cares get a life and stop hating its lame goofy

So what was lebron move??? 😂

​@realrocg2509 I hate LeBron but did he join a championship team????

@@realrocg2509Bron has WON 🏆 every where he’s played… can’t say the same for KD

@realrocg2509 The heat were trash the year before bron went there. KD went to a dynasty.

As far as efficiency kd is one of the best, he barely misses.

Because he doesn’t need 35 shots to do so he gets 40 on 17-19 shots regularly 😭😭 like it’s actually common sense top 8 scoring all time not even top 25 missed field goals all time but you can guess where Kobe is on that all time missed shots list 😭😭 numero uno by faaaar

Stop moving the goal post yall said if curry had to win one more to get in that convo an he did he deserves it just admit it yall hate kd because he beat lebron twice in the finals and I hope he win one more so yall can hate even more

@@gumption2967 on god😂😂

​@@gumption2967curry won as the main dude. And without KD. Multiple times 😂

@@colinnixon7739 i think Andrew Wiggins was the main dude that year they almost missed the layoffs without him 😂😂😂

Lmfaoo kd get off that burner man, it’s obvious.

Idk how that guy called it a superteam though... Malone was 40, Horace was 38, Payton was 35.... These guys were all way past their primes. And this is in an era where most guys were retired by that age.

@@DontWannaBejust because they were past their prime doesn’t mean they weren’t great, Karl Malone was averaging 20,7,4 before joining the lakers & Payton 19,3,7, that’s literally insane for old dudes at the time but they got injured which caused them a title

Timing aside he went to a team that broke the regular season win record. Not a GOAT move

The players are worse than ever today. A super-team hasn't won the championship in 5 seasons.

legit don't have any idea what ur talking about@@penkima4923

Most of these guys are not half as good as we think. No one can lay a pinkie finger on them. Let them play in the 80s or 90s and it would be a different story.

Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Kevin Love. All 3 were top 10 players in the league at the same time. Are you high or a small child?

KD joined a team that wit 73-9 and knocked him out of the playoffs, Lebron joined a Miami and a Cleveland team that was garbage the year before he went there, no comparison lol

@@enochbeats5313 exactly niggas always want to bring Bron up lmao 😂. People don’t even realize by time Bron joined Miami wade was already on a downward turn due to injuries. Bron & Bosh kept wade in the league a couple more years imo 🤷🏽

@@enochbeats5313 that straw man argument y’all use doesn’t work anymore. Fact is he stacked the deck. And the heat won a championship. Wade got injured so they were below 500 and he came back and they were a playoff team. Enough of the narrative that bron dragged trash to the finals. He builds a all star squad wherever he goes and beats weaker competition

@@livefromthemotherlandon top of that wasn’t kd and steph the new school to lebron and if he teamed up on both of them it makes sense for kd and steph to show lebron a lesson and team up on him what goes around comes around

@@Lildirt15 facts. Kd was getting his get back for that thunder loss against the heat

Nobody saying lebrons move to Miami don’t put him in the Goat debate so why isn’t KD talked about lmao

@Muwopduwop cuz miami back then was not a 73 wins team and a team that came back from a 3-1 lead against KD a yr b4. Pay attention my man. So you won't sound so ignorant.

@@michaeljamesflores1645 lebron did the same thing tho it don’t matter if he went to 73 win team or not and if LeBron don’t join Miami you would never see KD in a warriors jersey you can blame lebron for that nobody being ignorant it’s straight facts Lebron joined a team that was already a championship contender once he joined that put the icing on the cake they didn’t need lebron lebron needed them same thing with KD we could’ve still won ships without KD we would’ve still had the best bench for years to come but we got rid of the entire bench if anyone sound ignorant it ain’t me

@MuwopDuwop 🤣🤣🤣 Not gonna waste my time on you man. 23 likes means 23 got it but you🤣🤣🤣. But I got you dude. Really... Another Lebron hater...tsk tsk have a nice life bro😉

@@michaeljamesflores1645 they both did the same shit your just a miserable keyboard warrior bro 😂

HoF and goat are unrelated.

@@colinnixon7739 Who cares he’s still one of the greatest to touch a basketball. Allen Iverson is considered one of the greatest and he had ZERO RINGS. I can go down the list. You’re a moron if you think other wise.

Drexler and Barkley are the reason MJ was the GOAT in the 90's they were the easiest rivals any GOAT has ever had.

@@kelahamutenya3217 Drexler and Barkley were equally good with KD. MJ faced both once in the finals, so I wouldn't call them rivals.

@@penkima4923 what other players in his size were really his rivals ?

@@kelahamutenya3217 As a team, I'd say the Pistons was the biggest rival. It was in the late 80's and early 90's. Joe Dumars might've weighed almost the same, and was possibly as strong as MJ, but was shorter. Mark Aguirre and Adrian Dantley were MJ's height, but I think they were matched up with Pippen. Not sure if the Jazz was a rival team, but at least they faced the Bulls twice in the finals. Bryon Russell was the closest to MJ's size.

@@penkima4923 no dispute you are correct my brother. The point i was trying to make was the names you mentioned dont jump off the page, that is why I was of the opinion that MJ didnt have competition at his position for close to a decade,

2 3 peats without Shaq so I'd say 6 in a row with Shaq. 😊

It wouldn't happen. Jordan contract was too big. They couldn't get both under one roof.

go look how bron use to do before the warriors and after

YEah steph had to go recruit KD to beat JUST lebron. Not the cavs...but Lebron lol. And Lebron was the better both loses. You are a casual lol

@@mrandithankyou Right on Q...u one one them whining azz Mfs I'm talm bout.🤣 "But...but..Steph had to recruit KD to beat Bron". Butcha azz ain't talm bout how Bron recruited KD to Clev too huh? FOH...idgaf bout dat shyt u talkin. All these years later and u STILL mad KD went to GS and went to work on Bron'nem. If he joined Bron instead ya azz woulda been clapping like a lil school girl.🤣🤣🤣

what you are basically saying is that LBJ would have had more chips if they didnt come together I think that is the highest compliment you can give to Bron. You are most likely an MJ psychophant so this was also good in stoping Bron from eclipsing 6 chips I see your reasoning well done.

@@kelahamutenya3217 Whatever helps u sleep at night hamute boy.🤣 ya man has had more help than any superstar in the history of NBA ball and is STILL "Chasing the Ghost that played in Chicago"..his own words. So continue to chase w/him.

What😂😂😂😂

@@andrehoward558many of Kd’s? Lol 😂

@@Lildirt15 ppl just be saying any thing

We have not had many of KD at all, in fact no 7 footer player has had his level of abilities yet

….you say that like he’s not AI lmao

Ai is top 15

@@fashionlife5348AI not top 15 lol

Unlikely. He joined melo in Denver (a team that was in the west finals) and AI was still averaging 30 the year he was trade there. Then 26 ppg two seasons soooo....

😂 mind bad

Cause it ain’t the same doofus, nba fans are dum😂

Lebron was burned to the ground after that move until he started winning after Miami while kd aint been out the second round since golden state

Not the same thing at all tf 😂

@@jairwest5 why not?

​@@mitchellleavell4263lmfao because Rodman was a rebounder and defensive player.

Let's try Chris Paul, he was up 3- 1 with the Clippers and the year after went to the Rockets.

@@lothianslegacy9409 that’s a good example too

Fuck no 😂😂

@@Jp2timezz exactly. Fuck no

@@rastanate6168 ai not even in KD class bro be fr ai not even top 25 & im not hating that’s facts💯

@@Jp2timezzwithout the warriors, KD’s resume is similar to AI’s….both only have 1 MVP and 4 scoring titles

All their careers are done. If they not already your goat they can't be.

Why cause you have feelings for lebron

⁠​⁠@@user-ry4gp4ry6yget off brons jockstrap😂 dude joined a team he lost to, argument out the window

Kd played his self

@@quartpurp9798 lesweep

Shaq would he ahead of KD in this discussion.

what does that have to do with KD being in Goat convo? Hes never lead a team to a championship...

@@JAYSPLASHMUSICwarriors wasn’t beating Lebron again after 2016.. you forget Steph Clay Dray Steve Kerr and the GM flew to the Hamptons begging him to join their squad… They needed him

@@HARVEY_1988 again, what does that have to do with the goat debate? The Warriors took them to 7 and were up 3. Who knows what would happen next season w/o KD. Point is KD doesnt have enough post season success as the LEADER every team he LEADS he gets beat. Just facts hes a top 11-15 player alltime

A ring is a ring yet y’all discredit Lebron’s bubble ring lmao

You’re proving nothing

MJ beats him 1on1. Kawhi can too

Too bad, cuz Basketball is a team game. He can be the best Iso player but he can still lose. Cuz its a 5 man game.

best offensive player in history ??? Lmao 🤣

Jordan and wilt are literally better scorers 😂

steph raised himself on the goat list Steph got disrespected more with kd til he won again without him Steph raised kd higher in every conversation he dont belong in without Steph kd is in the ringless conversation

bro KD cannot win anything without being carried by the warriors and their amazing team. it is a fact unless proven otherwise!

KD and Steph played on the same team in their primes, and KD turned out to be the better player.

KD is only even in any nba convesation, forget about GOAT , because of steph and the warriors. He never was in the GOAT list. Only KD fanboys put him there. Also, KD cannot win without warriors. He still has not. People acting like he would have won anywhere else are delusional at best.

@@Project_N89 facts idiot's like to compare what KD look like on Gsw while needing Curry help but forget he choked 3-1 to curry when they had they own teams

Nope, Jordan is a better scorer

he never “transferred himself” mate, 6 grown men flew out to acquire they were giving him the best deal and stuff and his contract was expired stop making it seem like he begged to join the warriors and that he still had a contract wit okc

@@dougiet.2112 jordan couldn’t shoot 3s like Kd jordan never had a 50/40/90 season kd a better scorer jordan just took more shots & kd got better handles too Jordan just got more flashier dunks that’s it💯

@@Jp2timezz so, is steph your best scorer?

@@dougiet.2112 Steph never been a better scorer just a better 3pt shooter & kd shooting a better percentage from 3 then curry this year

Bullshit

Not if your favorite player is Tatum I saw Tatum shut him down in the playoffs 😂😂😂

He only dropped 55 1 time lol

@@sleyterdelacruz1965 drop 50 9 different times what are you saying?

So could AI. So could melo. So could wilt. So could tmac. Scoring is like the main thing most hof do 😂😂

@@colinnixon7739 okay what’s your point? Because I’m taking KD over all of them you just name?

Not in his prime

He joined a team that beat him bro

Every other top 10 player except for Duncan and Wilt can say the exact same thing and more. GOAT means greatest of all time. How tf KD got a case for best player in the NBA has ever seen when he hasn't accomplished more than at least 10 other players?

@@gumballwaterson1957 KD is much more skilled than Duncan, & Wilt faced farmers and plumbers 🤷‍♀️.

@@UchihaSasukeXO The Warriors needed KD to defeat LeBron 🤷‍♀️

@@justineebourgeois3420 The current NBA finals MVP brags about being a farmer. So a farmer is waxing the league right now. KD can't beat the big slow white farmer right now. At least Wilt beat the ones he played against since we trying to play that game.

Then lebron doesn't either he lost to kd twice in the finals u sound stupid fool

Just like the real nba

6teams least few he was old just lookin for ring but his prime 3teams orlando,lakers,heat

When he was old

😂