This is beautiful,idk why people say Shaq ruins the chemistry..these guys have the best chemistry of al sports shows, they keep it real 100% of the time
Jules Santana usually when arguments happen Shaq has the bad habit of getting personal, which is why people have said he ruined the chemistry. However this is one of the few arguments where Shaq did contribute some good insight in this debate by explaining why LeBron said he needed more help. And Chuck/Kenny also had valid points as well. Overall this maybe the best debate I've seen on TNT.
Because Shaq is STILL a big baby like all of his playing days. Super immature and a much weaker understanding of the game. He thinks it's all about 1 or 2 players "dominating" a game, and who can dominate the other dominants dominate dominate dominate 😂; he's part of the problem with the league these days. Superficial analysis and hella insecure. Bring back C Webb.
Future AMV Facts. LeBron asked to add a backup pg to provide a playmaker and it's blown up into something totally else. Barkley said "it's none of his business" when Ernie said "don't you think he sees what Warriors added with Durant". Like LeBron doesn't have to go up against them. Of course he wants the Cavaliers to be fully equipped to defend their championship.
Tris A. Yeah......Barkley is just looking at the eastern conference, he doesn't look at the finals.......of course the cavs would sweep every east team but to beat the Warriors they need a good team with good benches.....Barkley make it looks like that the teams other than cavs are the nets and Suns
Tris A. It's like when a homeless person ask for money.......what'd you say? Do you say "oh he's so rude, asking for my money"?.......LeBron ask for a backup pg he don't ask for melo or wade.
Future AMV u calling lebron james and the cavs a homeless person? they the defending champs and have the highest payroll in mba history. the gm of the cavs gives lebron everything he wants. it aint like a homeless peraon asking for money its like bill gates asking for money and thats pathetic.
He doesn't know anything about winning one too. Barkley, now, is criticising Lebron for teaming up with Carmelo & Westbrook. He says in this video that he was old when joined Olajuwon. Well, he was younger than Lebron, Westbrook & Carmelo are today. LeBron is 37 & this guy is still hating on him.
@@kundakaps Hmmm. So how did that Laker team with all those old men work out this year? Looks like Chuck was exactly right. If Chuck had even half as much control over any of his team's trading/payroll as Lebitch has had, then you can bet Chuck would have won a championship.
They just swept the Cavs again Maybe Lebron to Golden State is just what this League needs to force them to rethink how they go about trying to achieve something resembling Parity Less teams seems like a decent solution to me
SleepingGiant it's all in some way connected to being LeBrons fault tbh. I'm sorry but it is. The coach can't implement a system that will make the whole team better bc of LeBron being overly ball dominant and not establishing himself in a clear role. Front office can't get better players bc with LeBrons free agency coming up players dont wanna commit long term and not wanna go there. He also practically petitioned to have garbage players become overpaid. The team can't get a rhythm bc he won't share responsibility and ball handling. He refuses to play off ball and trust his teammates.
Mitchell Martinsky you idiot KD ruined the rivalry. This why Bron needs some help. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to compete. Shaq was right and Bron was right.
I agree with Shaq on this one. Why would I not want the best on my team? One part of being competitive is continuous improvement like gsw did when they acquired KD.
Part of being competitive is continuous INDIVIDUAL improvement, cashing out and buying all the good players in the league is nowhere near competitive, it’s lazy.
If Kenny wants to say that what KD did would never normally happen then you can't be upset at LeBron for saying we need more to beat them. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. I do believe what Shaq said was the most correct in that he (LeBron) should have had that conversation in house but still....KD leaving to go to GS ain't something we see everyday.
How u came up with that conclusion when in FACT KD would NEVER have left for The Warriors in the first place if Lebron never ASSEMBLED that Super Team in The Heatles in the first place so EVERYTHING backfired in Lebron there 👀
Yeah Chuck was out of his mind, you can't say LeBron is the guy who doesn't want to compete when KD who was the #2 player literally went to a back to back finals team
That's weak if you ask me. He's "defending" a point by trying to discredit the other guy. You defend a point by actually addressing it. Shaq is a very weak debater, only knows how to attack the other person.
I thought he was just doing that to diss Chuck but he had a point in there(even if it was partially or mostly to diss Chuck lol), winning 2 championships in a row is a much different kind of difficulty than winning the first one. Your team is now in the spotlight, teams are figuring out ways to beat your team and your system, your own team needs to find the motivation that they had to win the first championship which proves to be a big mental hurdle, ect. Most of the time what a championship team does to win the first time(same set of players same formula) won't be enough next time around.
It was a good enough reason, to tell him he knows nothing about winning on the big stage Charles Barkley is hater. KD, KG. KN, PP they all are haters, knowing that LBJ is still playing in the NBA and winning !!
Andy M it's not being childish. It's knowing what you need to get it done again. Cleveland barely beat gs last year and now gs added kd. I love my cavs but it's gonna be near impossible to beat them without a legit playmaker coming off the bench.
He has enough tools to win. He proved that last night. How much more does he need? Take what you got and go get that chip. That's how you get that GOAT title.
I love when they debate especially the part where Shaq told Charles you know nothing about going back to back straight cricket sounds from his Corner after that statement😂😂😂😂
Shaq talks about championship because it's a qualifying reference for him to speak from. It's no different than a plumber saying he is licensed or a teacher saying they have certification.
He's saying to win another championship with a bunch of overpaid role player against the same team you narrowly beat + 2nd best player in world.... hmm.. he needs more? I'd say yes. More than Irving who had said numerous times he didn't like being "son'd" and Kevin love who struggle to stay out of a bodycast. He needs help with his small roster and budget dennis rodman center. Stupidly overpaid roster.
KillaKam lol they trailed 3-1.. iggy got injured. and he knew this time kyrie was going out of cle. thats why this time this year, they got less roster compared to last year. they even struggle witth the pacers, but thanks to ref.they won that series! s
@@melvinhhcp3615 miami missed the playoffs the year before The warriors had 73 wins and we're the Champions the season before Miami had to go through san Antonio with Tim duncan tony parker and manu Ginòbili and kawhi leonard And boston with Kevin garnett paul pierce ray allen and rajon random And Kevin Durant russell westbrook and James harden So there was competition KD joined the team that beat him and had 73-9 record and considered the best team ever Lebron joined miami after they missed the playoffs and came from Cleveland when he was playing with no all stars
Maybe that's why Charles Barkley never made it back to the finals after losing in 6 lol. You always gotta look to get better every season. And by better I mean With your role players.
Tombe Tombe Barkley was a baller...those suns were in a tough western conference and he took them to the finals and his stats in those finals were really impressive....just Jordan was more impressive
Shaq was right here. It's not about Lebron not wanting to compete. The fact that he knows what they are lacking against GSW is the proof that he is competitive. Sometimes you have to use your head, not your ego.
So when him and his team stroll through that WEAK EAST then EVERYTHING is all good but when it comes to the Finals as in 1 series then "he has no help" 😂🤣 #LeHelp 🤧
I really like these guys and this show! It’s always fun. A little heat from time to time is alright, juuuust, as long as they make-up and keep doing good work.
Im not lying I've laughed about five times in a row now where it hurts... U have to find the little details that make that moment where Chuck got frustrated at Shaq even more funny. Like Chuck's facial features changed dramatically as soon as Shaq said it takes more to win a championship. Chuck's eyebrows and eyes change, and then when Shaq says you know nothing about back to back, Chuck was gonna say something then just stopped, and also Kenny's slightly surprised and scared like a little kid when Chuck raised his voice is all hilarious lol
That make took Jordan to 6 games and Jordan had to average 40ppg to win the series. Don’t act like Chuck is some loser who never had a chance. He just wasn’t a punk like lebron
so every time shaq always pulls the "I got rings" card on chuck, chuck should tell him straight to his face that he didn't win those championships, role players did.
Noone is in wrong here, but at some point I think that LeBron did a biggest mistake by looking to a media to say that much about problems in Cleveland. Almost the same thing is going on in Chicago around Wade, Butler, and later they triggered Rondo to put a finish line on the top. When you have any kind of obstacle that can be avoided only by yourself and people around you, should never give a single hope to the oponents that your team have problems, 'couse they will take advantage on you and look forward to crush you, and just that, exactly that, LeBron did by explaining everything to the media in a way that looked to us as a whining and compaining..
:47 - 1:03 I'd been searching for the episode where chuck had said this. God bless who uploaded this. I remember it getting to the point where James basically wanted to just roll past everyone with no close scores. He has a rep now for only wanting to play on teams with at least 2 or 3 starting automatic hall of famers. Special shot out to magic, bird, Jordan, kobe. Yall made teams great and didn't jump ship the first losing season. Real champs.
Both have great points. Hakeem for example he didnt really have a legit side kick superstar in the first championship and they struggled in game 7 against the Knicks even though he was killing Patrick Ewing and handling his duties as the big man and leader. Rockets wisely went out and got Clyde Drexler who was lil past it but still could put up great production. Cavs after they won didnt make any improvements last year while the Warriors got Kevin frickin Durant. In order to have a dynasty u need to constantly improve to make it much easier especially with how sub par the Cavs coach is.
All he wants is a backup point guard, without that they are toast vs the Warriors...... 5'9 Kay Felder supposed to guard 6'7 Shaun Livingston? Yup, you're right Chuck, LeBron is just greedy he should "compete" harder
Nastradamus Don't see how that is so hard to get. Barkley straight up said it was none of his business what the Warriors did like Cavaliers won't most likely have to play them again. Why would he not want his team at it's best?
they really need a PG that's the truth, the problem with that is instead of talking things privately with the team he chose to play his bad mouthing game to the media as if the Cavs management hasn't given him all his demands, as if the Cavs is not on the top of payroll.
the fact people really expected lebron to win against that gsw team😂😂. Talkin bout "he just won a chip" ok so? Its this season not last season and if you hadnt noticed chuck in that offseason something that changed the whole nba landscape forever happened that stacked the deck for one team.
Kenny’s arguments made no sense. LeBron doesn’t have a right to look at that KD added warrior team and correctly deduce that the cavs don’t have near enough fire power and say they need better players, because what kd did was unheard of and never done before? What?
Charles Barley is a hypocrite. He argues that teaming up Olajuwon dothere was when he was out of his prime yet he is still criticising Lebron, at 36, for teaming up with a player everyone says can't win in Westbrook & old Carmelo. It's just jealousy now.
Shaq is right on this one, because he is the only person in the room who can look at the situation in Lebron's perspective as a defending champ, but this is just for an entertainment and 99.99999% of the viewers have not been in their situation, so let Charles talk, he represents more of our opinion, don't be on TV and talking about punching somebody's face making it all uncomfortable dude...
Kenny and Charles making absolutely no sense. Like not even a little. “He’s being greedy, he’s the best player in the world, you have no right to ask for anyone else, you got Kyle korver, jr smith, and Iman shumpert😂😂.” Meanwhile the 70 win, three all stars, champs two seasons prior, and finals mvp iggy warriors, just added the second best player in the world, arguably a top 10-15 player all time, while giving up no one.”
Lebron facilitator/scorer Kyrie scorer Love post defense/3pt shooter They needed someone who could get their own bucket consistently when lebron and Kyrie not on the floor.
I get tired of Shaq aleays throwing rings in Charles face. Charles is not the only HOF player without a championship, but Shaq acts like he didn't have Kobe,Wade, Fox, Horry etc.
But that's his point that shaq is trying to make. You need more, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ADD A 7FT POINT GUARD with 2 OF THE TOP 5 SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME AND A DEBATABLY TOP 7 DEFENDER OF ALL TIME
People defending LBJ don't get something very simple. He might want more, which is understandable given that GSW were able to add Durant BUT, and that's a big BUT, you can't act like an eff spoiled kid and expected people to comply and make everything you want happen like magic. The CAVS basically accepted everything he demanded so far, paying Thompson, JR Smith, everyone that LBJ blessed, they paid, they even got Korver for a player they weren't even playing and now you dare to complain and put that out to the media? Are you kidding me? Only an eff spoiled kid would expect people to be sorry for him and okay with his demands. I'm pretty sure the team is trying to get more, like any other team, even more so the team with the highest payroll, it's quite unreasonable to on top of that make such comments to the media to create this situation and act all high and mighty.
theSUBVERSIVE he doesn't expect anyone to be sorry for him he was frustrated with losing cuz their bench is not as good as they should be and have no PG
darkgable85 , Shaq's statement was nonsensical. Shaq didn't put his Lakers teams together. Shaq doesn't know squat about winning back to back championships when it comes to getting the right players - The Lakers team staff did, and the Heat team staff did. Shaq's contribution was milking the league's standing order for refs to allow him to plow into defenders so he could get close enough to the basket to score. Shaq was never the best player in the league, not one year of his career. It's not entirely his fault, as he didn't have to develop skill with the refs letting him just bull his way to the hoop. But the fact remains that other than improving his passing skills a little, from Shaq's rookie year to the "peak" of his career there isn't a single area of his game where he actually improved in skill. Instead, he became lazier and lazier on defense and rebounding over the course of his career. Shaq's legacy is a product of the league having very little integrity and pandering to its biggest marketing assets, and has very little to do with any actual achievement on Shaq's part.
Welp now you see why he was asking for more help.. he dont care about the regular season he knew he was getting out of the ecf... he knew they BARELY beat the warriors with an injured steph curry
Apart from on the Heat, LeBrons teams have always been the underdogs. At least Charles is consistent with great players going to the best teams to win (KD).
@@DemonKing-oi4jd in 2014 the San Antonio Spurs was just as stacked and they were favored to win over the Heat. 2012 Oklahoma had Russell, Harden, and Kevin Durant. 'Nuff said.
@@faulknerzzx U can't play in the Finals unless you progress through your conference first. That East was The Weak EAST that's WHY he went to many Finals just to take more L's and 🧹...
Shaq was right by far bc winning back to back titles is a difficult task bc teams are gonna play hard at the champs from repeating, heat won back to back titles bt they needed to add best players and they added ray Allen and lakers 2009-10 they added ron artest , nothing gets easy so it takes more to repeat and especially when cavs just won and warriors added KD after cavs won and Ernie was right Bc Lebron knows his team isn’t on warriors level bc the addition of KD and cavs didn’t have a play maker guard when Kyrie and lebron on the bench when they left delly go so chuck needs to get off Lebrons case bt I kinda see where he’s coming from bt man
When I want to know more about grit and going at it, I'll listen to Chuck. When I want to hear what winning is like, I'd prefer to listen to the most dominant dude in the modern era. Look where the Cavs are without 2 of those guys