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"I've always shipped her with the Martin Scorsese puffer fish. I think they'd have some great emotional, but more importantly physical chemistry" Joel how could you ever utter something so completely cursed
I’m late to the party but I believe when Oscar says “We cool?” and the shark boss says “We cool.”, the shark is just saying that Oscar’s city is cool. We can safely assume there are other cities for the sharks to plunder.
The ending really doesn't show any signs of friendship between them. They just had a truce, that's it. Oscar did took credit for his son's death after all.
@@rayronnyd4659 yeah but he asks if "_we_ can walk the streets" now, implying that fish in general don't have to fear the sharks, and the dance montage shows sharks having fun hanging out with various fish. The implication is that they're friends now, which sort of just doesn't make sense.
@@Deg40000 Sounds like a confusing analogy to compare a food preference to sexuality. Especially since Lenny is presented as the only vegetarian in his community. Also, what about fish that can only eat plants? Are they an analogy to homosexuals as well? Or is it different because Lenny is a shark? Also, how old is Lenny? Why does Lenny never have any aspirations to seek out other vegetarian sharks? You’d think that’d get a passing mention. Imagine writing that analogy and thinking “yeah, he’ll be the only vegetarian in the whole movie, and his family will hate him for it.” But I guess it is for kids, so having him struggle with being gay would’ve been really controversial.
🗿is the worst emoji ever. It makes my blood boil. Emojis are supposed to express emotion, but what emotion does 🗿 express? “Oh today I just feel like a massive fucking stone.” It’s awful, I hate it.
@@serioussaitama4071 that's exactly how I feel about 👹👺 like WTF does that mean? How am I supposed to use this. And btw just use the 🗿 emoji to troll trust me it's fun.
nostalgic childhood memories... i probably only saw shark tale twice. i don't have any nostalgic memory of it. i watched it as a kid when it were a knew movie out on dvd. our mom brought it home. the mindset, experience, and perception of life at the time you were watching a movie could also possibly effect your memory of it. like for example, as a kid, the ben 10 movie was awesome. but if you were to think of it today as you've grown up, you know it's ultimately designed to entertain kids.
@@brain_apostrophe_t the irony is that I was a vegetarian around the same time, and that somehow made me a *lesbian* I'm a woman, just using my partner's account. Weird middle school memory....
Shark Tale is a banger of a movie, it’s got the mafia, 70s music, and Will Smith. Maybe it isn’t award material but I loved movies like this one, Over the Hedge, and the Bee Movie as a kid. It may be trash but it’s nostalgic trash lol
Hey, it's me, Will Smith! You all know Will Smith right? Mind if I just do my Will Smith act for two hours instead of getting into character? Your parents love it!
Will Smith's job is now as an actor who plays the character of Will Smith 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The same with so many of these other A-list celebrities.
Shark tale was lit as fuck, the two jelly fish smoked kelp and sharks thought they were fancy as fuck. This movie made you feel and laugh, and had a decent cast to boot
Ugh. Shark tale. I worked at Office Depot when that movie came out on dvd, and they played that damn movie all day on a loop, every day, for about a month, I worked the tech section and it was a slow store, so I watched this movie roughly about 200 times.
It's actually pretty ok for early 2000's CGI. If you want to see some really dated animation from that era, look at Jimmy Neutron, Ice Age, Hoodwinked, Final Fantasy film, Shrek 1, Chicken Little or Barnyard. This one and Robots are some of the only ones that mostly hold up, outside of Pixar.
Noah Arce for a while so many animation studios tried to go for realism in their stylization and the technology just wasn’t good enough at the time for it to do anything justice so it pushed the style too far into the uncanny valley. A lot of animation from the early 2000s did not age well. I’m noticing style swinging back to a more cartoonish style now. I do remember a lot of these movies being acclaimed for their animation at the time tho, it just didn’t age well.
Fuck me, the thought of the Lola x blowfish ship has me almost in tears. I can FEEL the scene where she gives him any form of honest validation, and he just fucking puffs up out of embarrassment - I'm dying at the "...Physical... Chemistry" bit. Don't acknowledge the sexy fish. Don't acknowledge the sexy fish. Don't acknowledge the sexy fish.
my only two memories of this movie is the 70s soundtrack which i really enjoyed as a child and, more importantly, a joke that i barely understood on first viewing: theres a quick montage of everyday life in the fish city, and theres a brief moment inside a sushi store. its sudden silence among a lot of music and dialogue, so i paid attention. the fish in charge of the sushi shop is frustrated and throws the knife on the wooden sushi preparing table. so i guess i basically assumed then than cannibalism was just a reality in this grotesque colorful fish world... or maybe not, since the joke was that nobody went to the sushi shop. but there was a fish, not a shark, selling sushi. is cannibalism allowed here, between fishes, but not socially acceptable unless youre a shark? does the sushi selling fish eat fish? was the sushi place catered to sharks but theyre just not big on japanese food? these are the questions that shall go unanswered
Good point about that sushi shop moment. I did immediately found that a bit funny on the first viewing when I was younger, but now revisiting this movie and scene kind of just left you feel a bit perplexed .
Lazy story writing. It's the old "Predators are evil because they eat meat" issue which always runs into problems when you have anthropomorphized animal characters lol
Listen, in a way shark tale was ahead of its time. Imagine if shark tale was made in the gay rights/social media/Instagram flexing era. Oscar is what many “influencers” are. A fraud broadly advertising a lifestyle most can’t have and that they don’t truly have. I think the intertwining of hip hop culture made the film quickly dated and that makes us feel less relatable. I do believe with a little more time and care this film could have become a classic, but I’m pretty sure the studio was just rushing to put out films they thought would sell tickets
Claystead yes but keep in mind it did come out 10 years before ss marriage was legal. Also being gay was treated more as a joke than than taken seriously. I think had Shark Tale come out later with more time put into and writers who really loved the characters, the story would have been written with care while still being funny.
But the fact that Jablinski Games character (Lenny) is vegetarian is actually a stereotypical metaphor of homosexuality, so it kinda gay rights in the movie
Your I see it now. Look at the cookie monster how keeps consuming never satisfied. Look at the count always counting never satisfied. The world is Elmo in the same way Elmo is the world. All I can say is I am a blind man who can now see. You have opened my eyes thank you.
@@josen7941 a silver-tongue can extrapolate anything from the tiniest detail. that's why religious texts are so effective. sometimes, the curtains are blue, just because the author wanted them to be blue and nothing more.
I always found it funny the overall story and feeling of shark tale wasn't a kids movie its a mafia esque movie this nobody takes credit for offing the heads son who's killed many times in the neighborhood and teams with the dons son who is ashamed for being gay to escape and help each other as this nobody now gains power that corrupts
I loved it as a kid and I never thought of Lenny as gay I just thought of him as a weak shark that doesn't impress his dad but I guess he could be gay but I don't think so
suggestion: instead of a sharktale script doctor choosing either to focus on a critique of social hierarchy OR a learn-to-accept-your-situation story, Oscar changes society so that this very necessary job of whale-washing gets the respect it deserves.
The characters models in this movie bother me so much, because they're fish but they're also made to look like the actor who voiced them and it's just so jarring.
I like how in Shrek, there’s a certain quality to the characters where some of the vibe of the actor shines through even though no one part of it is identical. IDK, maybe just down to something as simple as face expression. The problem with Sharktale is that rather than being a “what if” incarnation of the actor’s stage presence, it’s instead a caricature of their physical appearance.
Imagine if this film was about humans, where the rich upper class-men murdered and ate the poor- and this was such as natural element of the world that it isn't even tackled in the plot and instead the plot focused on getting the cannibal mafia to accept his non-cannibal son, it'd suddenly be so, so dark.
The guy next to him in 2004 but Disney Pixar is going to release this fish kid film so we need to get on that trend. This guy ok um what if the mob where sharks and intend of a car wash it was a whale wash.
I think it's tricky to place the movie's social class-message, because it is clearly making allusions to the natural food chain, and at the same time social social conduct. From a biological/ecological point of view, sharks are just doing their thing by eating the fish: what's more, the ocean needs them to be predators, so it's not evil from them to eat shrimp, fish and such. But from a social point of view, sharks are being more like predatory upper-class mafia, who take advantage of others, when there are other ways for them to survive without abusing their power. I get what they're trying to say, but ultimately, the movie forgets that sharks are sharks, and the whole moral at the ending is confusing when you think of it.
He says that line as the perspective he had as a child watching Shark Tale. If he was a kid watching trash era Dreamworks movies when they were released, that means he possibly could not have even seen The Prince of Egypt yet at the time, because it's a more obscure traditionally animated film than the Disney ones and that one would have been released when he was an infant. Also, I felt the same way when I saw Shark Tale in the theatres as a kid.
I liked it too, but it's probably because they talked about food a lot so I just got hungry, and I was like "yeah food is nice, I feel harmony when thinking about food"
Corekt, she thinks, it's her faith to marry the prince. Farquad thinks, it's his faith to become a king. And Shrek thinks, it's his faith to be the monster. So it's more like a faith triangle. I guess the point is: F**k faith.
I went into a shark tale rabbithole after watching Schaffrilllas video. That was a couple months ago, and I never got this video recommended. Not until just now, after watching Kevin's recent video... that was about Minecraft. Lol
When I was a kid my dad had to do some work at a car dealership, so he brought me there and sat me in the kids “play room” for around 4 hours. There were workers all around and I was being watched so I was safe, but Shark Tale was being played on repeat in the room. Consider me scarred for life after two watches in a row. I had already seen the movie before, and figured movies were fun, but this movie actually made me nauseous and sad. Anyways, thanks for triggering me.
My movie of despair that I had to watch over and over and over again was Robots. I can't even look at the cover without remembering having to watch it back to back many times made me want to throw up.
just clicked but i really hope you discuss the strange, creepy sexualization of the female fish in this movie, because it has haunted me ever since i was a boy
This is why I’m glad my parents let me watch the stripshow scene in Great Mouse Detective. If I’m gonna’ have a conflicted sexual identity, at least it’s one that has a good grasp on animation design fundamentals.
@@samwallaceart288 I have said it before and I'll say it again, the Walt Disney company is single-handedly responsible for the creation of more furries than any other person or group. Not one myself, but growing up getting some very strange feelings from anthropomorized female animals, I do understand it.
@@scaper8 Not just flurries, a truly disturbing amount of fetishes have spawned from the Disney brand. Not that I'm... speaking... from experience... or something...
9:50 Shark Tale? More like Shark Fail! *Look of self hatred washes over Joel’s face* These are the new benefits of switching to a talk to the camera format.
This is why I dont like angry critics who just yell over footage *cough cough enter cough* I got to actually understand his mood and stands. He did voice his view of the situation and looked into a whole new light the movies reflect rather than going "DURR NEGATIVE TRAIT IS BAD MORAL REEE"
PooDoo DrillDick i’m so used to watching big joel now that when i see someone else’s review/essay who is just ranting (and it’s not even comical) i can’t sit through it. especially when it’s about children’s content :/ like calm down buddy...it Can be that serious without being That Serious , y’know. thanks Big Joel for giving us quality content my cardiologist won’t ban me from watching 👌🏾
Max Garza My thoughts on these three films exactly! I could maybe even do a chronological marathon of reviewing DreamWorks Animation films to elaborate on why!
If you like Big Joel, you might enjoy Jack Saint, another leftie media critique youtuber who often uses seemingly innocuous pop culture stuff to jumpstart discussion of bunch of interesting stuff. He's more explicitly political than Big Joel though. Here's a good video talking about Race Allegories in stuff like Zootopia ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7oR6iET6FVo.html
i really enjoyed all 3 of the “trash era movies” as a kid....i mean REALLY enjoyed. i became super interested in bees and beekeeping after seeing the bee movie, i LOVED the over the hedge score and i found shark tale really fun. i would put the fond memories i have of these films down to nostalgia or just being a dumb kid at the time but ive rewatched both over the hedge and the bee movie in the last couple years and i gotta say....i think theyre still really fun, though not without their faults they have special places in my heart. not sure about shark tale though. i havent seen it since i was about 7 and the animation looks cursed
I think Shark Tales is a hilarious movie. IDK know if it has a good moral. I think it's just a mad cap dark comedy . Jack Black as a gay shark who wants to be a dolphin, Deniro as a goodfella shark, The Fresh Prince fish and the scene with the shrimp begging for his life is so funny. It's like a Loony Tunes it's absurdist.
Using sharks as oppressors is discrimination. Dolphins ram the belly of a shark to knock it out and results in death of the shark in most cases. The shark son has a hidden predatory issue!
After watching this, I now would really like to see a film about intelligent carnivores, that cannot live on a herbivorous diet, but whose only source of food is also intelligent. The Carnivores are aware that their food is intelligent, and sometimes even form bonds with their prey. Just a film looking at the behaviour and relationships that would form in that sort of society.
That probably exists, but there's way too much 00's vampire shlock you'd have to shift through to find it. The closest I know of is the place in Buffy where people could get their blood sucked for cheap thrills, but good vamps mainly just got blood bags from the butcher shop.
Although Shark Tale is trash for having sexist stereotypes, uninspired animation and a mean-spirited execution of the scenes, a couple of the (highly) redeemable aspects of it (although it only elevates it to a joke of animation to half-trash) had to be the shrimp (design-wise, voice-wise AND backstory-wise) and the old-school bops like Got to Be Real, Good Foot, Car Wash, Lies & Rumors and more.
Sharktale, Over the Headge, and Bee Movie... I actually liked those movies. The writing is strange. I just realized, but for some reason I enjoyed them as a kid.
They were all original, ya gotta admit. The standards for animated movies were set by Disney, that's why people were divided over these movies. I loved them tho lol
No matter how often, how eloquently, and how factually people explain to me that "Sharktales" "Over the Hedge" "Flushed Away" "Madagascar" "Monsters vs. Aliens" and "Bee Movie" are objectively bad movies.... I seriously cannot stop liking them. Dreamworks is oddly amazing at creating good, bad movies. They definitely have just straight up bad movies, but the same goes for the good ones. They actually have several of my most favorite movies growing up that I still adore today. "Kung Fu Panda 1-2" "Shrek 1-2" (meme or not they're good movies) "The Prince of Egypt" and "Joseph King of Dreams" (I'm not religious, they're good stories) "Chicken Run" "Sinbad" "Megamind" "Spirit" "How to Train your Dragon 1-2" (I haven't seen the 3rd yet, but I def plan to) Dreamworks was created just to spite Pixar, and honestly? I like their movies more.
Kifi Roserette I had "Dreamworks movies" open in google when I was listing them, to be sure I was talking about the right ones. I checked the wiki on those two movies, and both Aardman studios and Dreamworks are listed. With Dreamworks being a distributor for Chicken Run.
I get it, looking back I can see why all these movies are bad in some ways but I still love them, especially Over the Hedge and Monsters vs Aliens. I don’t really even care as they make me happy and made my six year old self into the movie lover I am today.
It's weird that when you are a kid, obviously you more than likely enjoy and love anything animated thrown at your face. It was the case for me at least. But even as a kid, no matter how entertained you were during a movie, there was something that made you rank them. That you knew some movies were "better" than others. Even a child can feel basically any Disney sequel to be worse than the original ones, and when it came to DreamWorks we all knew in our kiddy brains that Shark Tale, Over the Hedge etc. were not as "good" as Shrek or Road to ElDorado or the Prince of Egypt. Not saying the movies cannot be enjoyable, because I for sure liked to watch Shark Tale if someone suggested it, but there is that somewhat "trashy" feeling about some movies even a child cannot deny. True story.
iRinnda: That‘s why I disagree that kids love „anything animated thrown at their faces“. Even kids have a taste. I never watched Shark Tale, Over the Hedge or Flushed Away because these movies already seemed stupid and like cheap rip-offs in the trailers. I watched Bee Movie and thought it was really terrible because the „message“ in it was really questionable to me. I never even heard of the Road to El Dorado movie you mentioned and I don‘t even know what it is. I didn‘t watch Prince of Egypt because it is religious propaganda. But yes, Shrek was funny. To be fair I wasn‘t really a chils when these movies came out but a preteen/teen. I think I was about 16 when „Finding Nemo“ came out which was a good movie.
A+ for the bit about the Disney sequels. Even as an elementary school kid I knew that shit was as good as mustard on watermelon and boiled artichokes. Especially the Cinderella sequels, number three being the absolute most offensive. Honorable mention: Pocahontas 2 - trash. The only good sequel from Disney was Lion King 1.5.
Denise Nova Lol that’s not the message of the movie and Big Joel doesn’t think like that either. Barry still lives with humans and fights for civil rights of other animals. Bees aren’t being exploited anymore, they sell their honey instead of it being forcefully taken away. Revolution was a good thing, only honey being exclusively for bees was seen as bad.
I mean, you're someone who can have "cabbage scented candle" as their user name and not vomit in their mouth every time they have to conceive of such a thing, so this comment checks out.
Shark Tale might be one of the most important movies I saw as a child, because it was literally the first time as a kid that I came out of the movie theater and thought, umprompted, "Wow, that was a really bad movie."
I often wondered how the hell did Dreamworks went from making "The Prince of Egypt", "The Road to El Dorado", and "Sinbad" to.....these kinds of movies???
alicia nong iirc neither el dorado nor sinbad did well at the box office. Shrek, however, was a smash hit. Dreamworks is, at the end of the day, a business with the goal of making as much money as possible.
So let me get this straight. Your wondering how dreamworks went from making good movies to MASTAPEECES LIKE SHARK TALES BABY WHEN WE GETTING A SEQUEL BOYS
Everyone seems to talk about shrek, bee movie, boss baby, how to train your dragon, prince of Egypt, megamind, Madagascar, shark tale…. But I would love an analysis on flushed away. People, that’s a under under underrated piece of film. I need a analysis on it ASAP
I’m not from an English speaking country so as a kid I had no idea that big celebrities had roles in shark tale so that never had an effect on me. But I LOVED shark tale, and maybe that is because I was obsessed with the ocean and underwater animals
Why has there not been a good quality analysis of Road to El Dorado focusing on its heavy anti-religious subtext? Like I love Lindsay Ellis but she dismissed the film entirely based on a really off base reading of its summary that doesn't capture the fact that El Doradan characters in the film are clearly depicted as using the stupid, selfish Europeans (the Chief mentions that he knows they're human and at the first feast in their honor has to ask everyone to pretend that they give a shit so that he can use their favor to push out the High Priest), that the stupid selfish Europeans are the reason they're at risk from Cortez, and the only way that Cortez even has a chance is because of the political divide between the city. Like people who dismiss it as an inaccurate depiction of Aztec culture despite the fact that it's literally a mythical location that's not Aztec or Mayan or described as such. The movie was one of the only kids movies I've seen that discussed colonization by dehumanizing the colonizing force and bringing up slavery and genocide (Cortez is literally compared to a capricious demon sent to rid the world of humanity). But most importantly everyone seems to miss that the High Priest does not act or think about sacrifice in anyway similar to real Aztec beliefs because he is explicitly compared to Christian views on original sin. He wants the gods to purge the streets of humanity, who he views as filthy by their very being. He is very specifically linked to Cortez and his last minute realization about Cortez is not depicted as the goofy native falling for white bois again--this is truly what he was waiting for. This is his god of death sent to purge his city for a thousand years.
@@ansvangasse7644 also I forgot to include it but in the film, Miguel's willingness to not financially exploit El Dorado is only due to his desire to emotionally and socially exploit the natives to fill in his own desire for worship and meaning. He wants to be treated like a hero, and both he and Tulio have to sacrifice their attempts to exploit the locals in order to actually help the people they have endangered. Miguel learns that colonialism and indigenous people are not adventures for his Western wanderlust, tulio learns that sex is better than money, they both learn that friendship is the true adventure in life. El TiVo learns nothing because he was perfect to begin with
@@caetanosilveira153 you should really do a video about The Road to El Dorado you have some really good theories that would def be interesting to explore further. I at least would be really interested in watching you interpret the movie through specifically the settler/colonizer lens and given the popularity of these type of disney film critique videos I bet a lot of other people would too.
When dreamworks does there own thing, they make good art, but whenever they try to piggyback on Pixar’s ideas so they can reap some of Pixar’s money they don’t make good art. How to train your dragon, rise of the guardians, Kung fu panda, and Madagascar to me at least was good art.
Funny that you keep mentioning the shrimp scene. I remember in the commentary that a writer said they wanted to reveal the shrimp's story was just a lie. Having him lie about that really would seem to backtrack the essentialism message and make it even more confusing
