She Brought a WHAT to Our Masterclass?!?! 

We love pigeons! Thank you Jamie and Dave for being willing to share what you might know but also being totally honest and not trying to guess. This guy is a male. You can tell because when they go through puberty the first behavioral difference is that the males begin to coo. Some are easy going, but most males tend to be quite beaky, so females can be easier to train for hands on situations where people might get nervous from being bitten like that.

"You won’t believe what kind of bird…" "This *CHICK* brought to our master class." I see what you did there. 😉

I’m a companion pigeon breeder for classic old frills :) Let me share my advice! one of the biggest things is that you shouldn’t treat pigeons and parrots the same, or doves and pigeons the same. Biting in pigeons isn’t always an aggressive thing , especially in cocks (which he seems like) , it is a way to feel things and also to bond! Male pigeons wrestle as a way to bond and show off. Fast, snake like bites are usually aggression as a warning to back off counting you’re not in their nest. Pigeons are hormonal, however that is not a bad thing. Pigeons will naturally lay eggs on a cycle and cocks feel the need to protect and mate with their owner a lot of the time as they see the owner as their partner. You can train the pigeon to redirect their attention (such as teaching them to mate with a plush instead of your hand or foot) if you wish. Please keep petting your bird , this is not the same case as parrots. Males are sassy! Also pigeons do not do well eating veggies ,fruits, or most nuts. It makes their poops runny as they can’t process the cellulose or sugars. They can eat seeds, some legumes like lentils. It’s also important to offer a mineral rich high calcium grit (usually red grit with crushed fine eggshells and a compact mineral salt brick works great!) I do not recommend hand raising pigeons as pigeons have incredibly complex social structures they learn from their parents, and often times hand raising pigeons rises the aggression in males and make bad parents from what I’ve heard from other breeders and owners. It can be difficult as vets often have disagreeing standpoints, but please understand that vets are also incredibly new to caring for pigeons and try to compare them to the closest bird they have experience with, which sadly doesn’t work for them. Plus common sources about pet pigeons claim various inaccurate facts about their dietary needs, which is true for some WILD species of pigeons or doves, but not domestics. Black oil sunflower, safflower, and yellow lentils are often prized treats for my birds:)

I own an Indian fantail pigeon too!! I've had him a little over a year now, and I adopted him after he was found abandoned outside. When she was talking about everything she wanted in a bird, it matched my guy completely. He loves to go on outdoor hikes and adventures with us, and he's even taken two day road trips with us as well! People often think it's hilarious to own a pigeon, but they make the most incredible pets!

I have had a few pet pigeons, they are not the smartest of birds, but super sweet and once they learn they know it. One of my pigeons fell in love with one of my chickens, made her a nest and sat and coo'd to her while she was sitting broody on her eggs. When they hatched he was the proudest dad ever. .

I really love oreo's owner! Does she have a youtube or anything. She seems to have a great understanding for animals and a want to constantly improve and I really appreciate that!

They never bite hard, from my experience they do a hard wing flap when annoyed and that can sting. We have a rescued Crested Pigeon and a rescued wedding dove, both are tame, male and friendly.

I love her! I think it’s awesome that she brought a pigeon to the master class. He seems like a great bird, and she seems like a really awesome bird trainer. I think Oreo is going to be an awesome trained bird. I love Oreo!!!!!

Hahahaha. "So in conclusion, we don't do pigeons" -Dave n Jamie

She mentioned the pigeon recently had turned three months old, and judging by how the bird is acting i would say its a male. Just like humans do pigeons go through a puberty teenage phase when they're of age of being able to reproduce (males around 3 months old, females around 6-7 months old i think!). Sadly not a whole lot is possible to do with aggressiveness in pigeons/doves, since they're just naturally very territorial birds... Some are just meaner than others. Females can even be more vicious than the males in some cases, too. Personally I have a male pigeon who's around 8-9 months of age, and he goes through phases of being super loving to being a biting meanie! Thankfully aren't their beaks as strong as a parrot's. I found out though that my pigeon usually cuts out his biting when he knows its time to do tricks (meaning there's treats!). And he also doesn't bite as long as I slowly reach for him and wait for his permission to touch him (he will preen my finger), otherwise he will back off or peck. They like their personal space and to be respected! They're just very sassy birds, and I would perhaps even say they're the cat of the bird world

Okay, immediate thought, a chicken. They are ridiculously easy to tame/train. OH! A pigeon! LOVE it! Well, them too, depending on the breed. Oh yes, they are sweet natured and cuddly! As a baby, they search your fingers for food. They want to shove their heads INTO something. As an adult, they "nibble" at fingers to GROOM you! That means "I want a scritch" not I'm trying to eat your hand. Their beaks are dull and they have almost no bite strength. They kinda just scoot it across your hand/fingers. And that's a boy you have there. (behavior) I love my birdies but I only keep females to avoid DRAMA. The nicest turnouts have been hand-fed females. I've heard parrots take quite a bit more work to be tractable, especially if you purchase an adult. Lady, you have my dream job!!! LOL Thanks to you guys for all your expertise on our winged pals!

I could already tell even with it blurred! I had one when I was younger, I found a bunch of boys throwing rocks at him trying to kill him. Long story short... 1 playground fight and a trip to the principal's office later, he came home with me so we could nurse him back to health. 100% worth the afterschool detention. 💖

I called pidgeon just from tumbnail and title lol. People are always flabbergasted when you tell them how great a pet and smart pidgeons are. I used to foster them and when I have the space again I will probably adopt some. They dont deserve their bad rep, especially considering city pidgeons are abandoned domestic animals, not wild ones adapting to humans. Aka they are our responsibility like feral cats and dogs

Jamie/Dave do you think you know how you'd respond to someone pulling a penguin out at a masterclass? 😂

My first thought was a kiwi. I'm a little disappointed I was wrong lol. But also very happy with the actual result.

Chicken.......LOL. Love it when someone ventured outside the box. Pigeons.....why not!

Before she brought out the bird I totally thought it was going to be a quail! I owned an indoor quail before I got my first parrot (she is my profile pic) and Quail met all the criteria she was talking about. I do not know how well they would be with training, my quail Monroe was definitely not as smart as my current parrot

I watch this as I sit here, my own pigeon napping on me.

Great surprise! He's so cute, though!! :)

A show pigeon lol.... CLASSIC!!😂😂

What a wonderful and clever lady! And the bird was amazing too :)

Has to not be a flight risk without clipping/harnessing? Needs to be ok with any environment in a backyard? (Including a pool, maybe?) I was sure she was pulling out a penguin.

Hes not aggressive hes just feisty he will grow out of it after 7 mnths old as long as she works with him everyday he will then imprint so he's in transition from looking at her as a mother then later he will see her as a mate also picking him up around his body then putting him down quickly he will show his behaviour and show annoyance he needs her to learn head nodding for permission training they will become vocal when annoyed 😊

lol i love those kind of pigeons they look so soft

lol this makes me wonder if y’all have ever worked with chickens

OMG!!! Your reactions were PRICELESS 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have to say as a Dove owner.... That is one GORGEOUS bird!

I swear you guys are the Ed and Lorraine Warren of Birds (if you know you know) 😂

The first flightless bird that comes to my mind is a penguin. I really hope it's a penguin!

He/she is beautiful! The way you were reacting, I was thinking it was a chicken.

Awwwwww, that bird is so cute though.

Pigeons seems like a lot of fun, turns out it is not as easy as I thought, lol. My first guess was a Quil or another chicken like bird.

Can't wait to get my pidge on Monday 🥰 He's a blue spread racing homer, best boy ever.

Based on what expectations she has I'd tell her to get a penguin! 😆

This lady seems very smart n a great bird/animal owner, I wonder why she didn’t mention she had a pigeon before spending money on a class that couldn’t particularly help her?

When she was talking I started thinking "Omg... I wonder if it's a pigeon"

Another great video!!

I own a pigeon too!!!!!! I would LOVE a pigeon video series

This is brilliant 😂

I love pigeons and their cooing sound--so soothing and warm. He's beautiful!

Those feathered house slippers on that bird are adorable!

A duck? ... NOPE 😁 This bird is quite unique, I didn't know that specie. Awesome idea!

OMG you guys are such a crack up lol!!😆😆😆

The last Dodo…😂

"He seems like a male" Shows how tuned in their bird knowledge is aimed toward parrots :P The minute he started cooing like that it's obvious :D Beautiful boy ! Wish he didn't come from breeder though.. Pidgies have no need to be bred, there are too many looking for homes, and they're such good breeders on their own that there are many oops babies, never need to buy from a breeder :)

If she's asking about pigeon food re: chop - have her check out English pigeon breeders, especially Northern ones (e.g. Leeds, Manchester, Yorkshire) They *love* pigeons there. (I did a little research on keeping pigeons away from gatdens and apparently, pigeons love fruit buds (flowers) and brassicas (e.g. cauliflower, broccoli)

"and you were worried about the cockatoo"

Lol .. . I was going to say a rooster.

Oh lord, I was expecting to see a parrot😆😆😆 had a good chuckle tho😂

Adorable muffs!😀😄 I could tell it was a pigeon the moment I saw him.😁 I really hope you show a part 2 about Oreo.🙏 I'm very curious about the outcome! 💖

a kiwi? This is my guess, officially.

I thought she would pull out a chicken

My guess is an ostrich. I see from the comments I’m wrong, but hey, it is exotic & 0 flight risk!😜

This was a great vid

I guess I misunderstood the concept. I was thinking more of a bird that could take care of themselves! Oh well. I love watching your guy's videos by the way. It makes me wish I never surrendered my Timneh African gray. I was a new mom. I used to spend so much time every night with my bird and I just felt like I wasn't going to give him the attention that he was used to. I had taught him quite a few things . This is back in 1998 or 99 or so. And I would love to try it again using your methods. Watching your videos makes me want so bad to get another one. Thank you so much. Keep up the great work

9:03 he is not biting he is being a baby right there

Nothing like my favorite pigeon flying towards me 🥰

Hahah! I actually wonderd if she was going to pull out a tiny breed of Penguin!

11:18 Dude u know EXACTLY what ur talking about 🤪😆!

Pigeons are awesome creatures. My kids had one named Hooter. Very friendly little fella

Beautiful Colors

Good work

Gorgeous!

Oh he is beautiful! What was going thru your minds ? Omg, too funny! Pigeons are great!

First thought was pigeon, then when she started talking about exotic flightless birds I thought it was gonna be a penguin or something

Omg that pigeon is gorgeous!

Just listening, my pigeon flew over to investigate.

That beautiful bird and lady was at my daughters party😍

My guess is a chicken. I actually adore them, and have 14 of my own. Each one has a different personality, and most all of them are sweet loving and adorable.

He sounds like a happy boy. 😉

I was thinking it was gonna be a Quail or a pigeon or something of that sort- maybe even a chicken!

Pretty bird

We had a lot of pigeons who would go free flight all day and return to their home at night. The pigeon house has small wooden compartments for them. And we only fed, gave them water and cleaned it often (very hard to clean their house 😞😓😩). But it was great to see them leave each morning and return before sun down. They were happy and kept breeding naturally, most times we gave them away because they multiplied really fast.

So I was totally wrong. I was once at an outdoor Shakespeare play and that venue also does outdoor weddings. So while my friend and I were walking around the grounds, we found a fancy feathered "one of these mystery birds" that apparently got left behind after the big release at a wedding. We felt the little guy wouldn't make it in the wild at all with his white color and weird feathers so we took him with us. Now we could have hunted down the vendor but (big confession) we felt they were lax in leaving him behind to die so we rehomed him to a lover of these "mystery birds".

I would love more videos about those species tho

An Ostrich? 🤣😅

Even though she threw you guys a curve ball, I think you handled it very professionally and are awesome for being open to offering the best advice you could. You and Dave are the best!

I was gonna comment saying I thought it would be a timmeh African grey but I saw the other comments saying ‘pidgeons’

I really thought she was about to bring out a chicken xD

I had a pet tiger swallow pigeon that I got from a really bad breeder (infested with mites, poop matted muffs, nails so long they curled back around) and he didn't know how to walk. He was so used to having overgrown nails that he would just flap everywhere to try to move forward, and he sat on his ankles and had pressure sores. I built braces out of velcrow to set him on his feet and used his favorite treat (sunflower hearts) to convince him to balance forward so he could pick them up. I slowly taught him to walk and started on perching, and he didn't know how to close his feet to grip, so I used a little bowl of sunflower hearts to make him stretch and reach in different directions on the perch until he figured out balance and grip. He was a happy bird, but he bit like this pigeon too. He knew how to step up, and I could take him in public on a harness, he would do the circling--then-coo and biting constantly, and I think it was just a male pigeon thing. I've had three hens and only one would ever bite me, and she was vicious, biting and twisting to pinch my skin really hard. I hand-raised her and I think it's what made her so sassy, she never learned to fear anything like wild or cooped birds, so I was never respected as a possible threat, I was an equal that she could rival with. They really are mean to each other, constantly checking each other and bluffing at dominance (head bobbing , pecking at the air in front of another bird, agressive cooing) as well as guarding food and water, so the resources should be at multiple stations on both sides of the cage. I found a chicken coop waterer that had little bowls that had a float valve, and whenever the bowl tipped upward from water being removed, it would open the valve to let more water out. The bowls were removable for cleaning and it held 2 liters, highly recommend. Pigeons are DUSTY AS FLUFF, and you will be finding dust EVERYWHERE, it's like pigeon glitter Pigeons are very inquisitive and one of the best ways to bond with one is to expose it to new environments, and because the only thing the bird is familiar with you, it will want to stick close to you and it learns that you are trustworthy. I've had a few exotic breeds/morphs of pigeon, and my opinion of them is honestly really negative. I got a pair of tiger swallows (the birds with checkered wings and a black head crest) and not only did the individual birds come in baaaad shape (see male's story above) but I found out that the checkered pattern is artificial in the worst way. They have a gene that makes the feather follicles run out of pigment, so their primaries and secondaries start off black, but you PULL OUT every other feather, until they regrow multiple times, and eventually they'll start growing back white. I also had a yellow frillback pigeon (look it up, their feathers are CURLY, they look like a bowl of egg noodles) and she was very skittish (a breed trait because their crimped primaries make them not as good as flying) but more importantly her feathers kept curing around and poking her eyes or getting stuck in her nose while she preened. She had multiple sinus infections and URIs because of it, and eventually she needed her external nostrils and her internal upper mouth cleaned out with a q-tip every day. She was the most gorgeous bird I've ever seen, though, and she was the softest thing I'd ever touched. I don't think something else that soft exists, because every feather's curl made them all as soft as down. I never took her outside (because she was too skittish for a harness) but I'd bet she wouldn't be very water resistant. Both my exotic breeds had muffs (those leg and foot feathers) but they were very negative too. They had to step really high to move them around and the Frillback was okay because her feathers curled and had no rigidity the Tiger Swallows had large stiff feathers that needed to be trimmed (past the blood point) so they could perch and also not get stuck on the edges of enclosures. Muffs are composed like wings, and have a set of long, stiff primary feathers (like, sometimes 6+ inches) and then an overcoat of softer little feathers. They are a poop MAGNET, and I had to give my birds with muffs little warm footbaths once a week or so. My favorite part is that scientists estimate we may be able to trace the gene for pigeon foot feathers back to prehistoric quadruped fliers like archaeopteryx and microraptor. Over all though, my muffless birds were less maintenance and needed less help from me, so I don't reccommend them. From my experience, get a bird from a shelter (your local humane society probably has multiple right now) or an adult from a clean coop, exotic breeds are overrated, their diet shouldn't be mostly millet, they will pick their favorite foods first, so don't refill food until they have eaten basically everything, and most importantly for bonding/training FIND THEIR FAVORITE FOOD. I had some Harrison's adult feed that I mixed with their pigeon mix, and one of my hens would dive for it, my Frillback liked whole dried peas (but never the halves) and my male Tiger Swallow loved raw sunflower hearts.

Chicken my guess… After reveal reaction (that’s not so bad!! I love pigeons and doves…). I agree with the assessment that’s a males they tend to do their singing in circles around females - also, they territorial so the bitting is territorial behavior… Poor pigeon was overwhelmed with too much interference into his personal space…

I thought it was going to be a flying squirrel

When she was saying not flighted and stuff... my guess was honestly some sort of chicken or duck maybe, or quite possibly a penguin! Hahaha but that's so funny.

I know it won't be but I just really want it to be a duck

A bird with low fly-off risk you say?... Well... A penguin!

I'm thinking penguin, but let's roll the footage!

I guessed a crow.

Looks like fun project! My family raised pigeons for years. Investigate the benefits of feeding sod and protein. It was a best kept secret of breeder/pigeon racers for years

I was going to guess duck. Pigeons are great. I raised one. Very loyal and smart, independent yet loving

Before the intro the voice in my head was saying…please be an Emu, please be an Emu…😀

My guess was chicken, since it would also be unlikely to be a flight risk, and some of the bigger breeds are both sturdy and known to have good temperaments.

Oreo is beautiful! 😃 I love the coooooo!

ever since this video i’ve been seriously researching pigeons and their care and their general personalities and i’m 97% sure i’m going to get a pigeon when i move out. i’ve been wanting a bird for awhile but i definitely can’t get one until i move out lololol

Crazy guess… Seagul 😂

The only thing I can think of as a guess, would be something like a Kiwi bird.... xD

BTW I'm adopting my friends African grey that she's had since it was a baby! It's now 35yrs old. They're retired & wanting to travel and such. It's been pretty ignored for quite a few years now too sadly & so it started plucking it's chest feathers. It's always in the cage and they don't even cover it at night and it's in the dining room too. It's very sweet she says & I'm gonna probably finally meet it this week up in Sandpoint. It's in a cage that is smaller than I'd like it to be in too. She said she bought a bigger cage years ago and she hated it. But I still wanna get something nice for lil T, which is the name she was stuck with when they couldn't come up with a cute name all those years ago! I'd also really like to find someone up in her area that maybe she can take her to before I get her, so that her nails, beak etc can be checked out & trimmed if need be too. I also think I want them to clip her wings at this point in time at least.. I'm just really afraid of her being in a new place for the first time ever and something bad ends up happening to her, cuz we have really high ceilings and the back side of our house is almost all windows too! So I just feel it might be the safest way to go for her sake in the beginning. I also plan on getting her on to your guys diet as well too! The plan is for me to get her mid Nov. and so I wanna go meet her a few times, so that she can at least get to know me ahead of time & hopefully won't be so traumatized... Sooo I would be SOOOO grateful for any direct advice from you guys on what all I've just mentioned above, as I'm really nervous & worried about it all...😳😟

I was clueless so I guessed Palm Cockatoo . . .

I’m just gonna go with magpie 😂

I like the bird's pants. Very fancy A+.

My guess, and ostrich. Lol

I thought pigeon, but dismissed it because I know they fly 😂