Leslie Wagner-Wilson survived the Jonestown massacre in 1978. Hear her gripping story in Scandinavian talk show Skavlan. More Skavlan Twitter: / skavlantvshow Facebook: / skavlantalkshow Instagram: / skavlantvshow
One of the traits they usually do ...is to try and separate you from family and friends, it may be just by saying: ... "now your family/friends ect. won't agree with what we believe here, but they just don't understand, they are ignorant, they don't have the right kind of beliefs like we do, We alone are the only ones who have the correct beliefs. One group here in town invited me to their gathering, I went one time, when I didn't go the next week, they sent 2 people over to ? me. I ended up ? them, and they admitted they they are the only ones going to Heaven. I said "you mean to tell me ONLY your little group of 25-30 people are going to Heaven..when the Bible clearly states that there will be far more than that?" They said..."well, every one who believes and joins our group in each town across the country will be going" They were also adamant about how there was ONLY ONE group per city/town. Again, I ? them..."So, when the Bible says Repent of your sins and believe on the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ....that's not correct?" They replied that and join our little group! Finally, I asked them to leave my property, and I will Not becoming back, I will find a Godly, Bible believing church...one who knows there are others besides themselves that God has bestowed His Salvation upon. There are lots of false teachers out there...Jesus warned us!... Here's a clip of that group , Boston Movement of Church of Christ...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QScYzMNbD04.html
@@annemchurchwell the Tragedy of Jonestown is a very true story. As Guyanese a very young girl growing up. The breaking News in The Guyana Chronicle news media strucked across the Country. We were astonished to breath could not believe that. Oh! How we wish we could have had those people in our family homes to help them out but it all kept secret in the jungle not until the mass suicide💔
@@sandrabaijnauth8084 I didn't say it didn't happen. I was saying at least she took her children with her unlike the guy who left and didn't bring little boy.
I was only 7 years old when this happened. But , I remember adults saying these people were crazy for following Jim Jones to Guyana. When the survivors came back people did not treat them nicely. They thought those people committed suicide but some were forced to drink the poison. Many were even injected. It’s sad because the world thought these people were fanatics.
i mean lots of those people wanted to kill their own kids and even before that some guy said that he'd like to stab his dad and sister with scissors, also when one guy tried to run away, his own mother wanted to shoot him. listen to the recording, one woman tries to talk some sense into people and they tell her to shut up. ofc not all of them were brainwashed, but some of them def were
My mom used to drive me to Indiana to attend Jim Jone's church there. We ate at his house several times after services. One day my mom came out from the back of the house and grabbed me and we rushed to the car. We never returned. I don't know what happened, she wouldn't talk about it. Later the church moved to California and several family friends moved there to follow Jones. I don't know if they ever went on to Jonestown years later.
She's also in another interview, and speaks in more detail about her experience there with two other survivors. Very interesting. There's a part 1 and part 2 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6hN9e7cRAYk.html
I am amazed at this woman´s ability to read people and energy. She knew who to get rapport with in order to make a plan. She knew just when the time was right to escape and she succeeded.
I believe virtually everyone has this ability. Most people are far more intuitive than they recognize but they spend their lives ignoring that inner voice to accommodate social norms, expectations, and faux pas.
Brain Power.........she kept quiet, paid attention, and listened very carefully, and did what she had to do to get out of that horrible situation, and bounced.
I know Leslie Wagner Wilson and she is one of the bravest, smartest, kind and honest persons I have ever known. She ecaped and sadly could only take her 2 year old. She has had a long hard road but has made it. As she put it " In the game of life, faith wins." ♥
@@fifi7367 Her family likely did not want to leave, like many of the people who stayed. They were brainwashed and most likely stubbornly resistant to the mere idea that the king was stark naked.
One of the things that bother me when interviewers (including Oprah) question survivors from Jonestown is when they over talk the survivors, or cut them off. Let the people talk. Geesh.
What a testimony. She prayed that she wouldn't be hardened by what happened, that she would still be able to love, and was able to forgive what many would consider unforgivable.
One of the hardest parts is survivors having to find their feet back in the world. Her having to look for a job two weeks later was same as the survivors of Concentration camps having to go back to find jobs for themselves..with no such free of cost therapy and help. It is incomprehensible how people are just expected to move on and go head on when they just faced the worst of human tragedies.
She is a total inspiration. I listened to the tapes after watching Bailey’s video against her strongly suggesting not to. Guess I’m just a curious cat after all. I suffered through listening to 48 minutes of it and I don’t know why or how I made it through. I HAD to look up survivors to feel a little bit of hope for humanity and I’m so glad I found Leslie’s story. I feel the light being restored to me hearing her speak especially when she said she forgave Jones. I don’t know if I could ever be that strong. God bless her.... and God bless all the lives that were lost in Jonestown. Honestly my faith has been lacking lately but listening to her gives me hope.
@@beanz6217 Search Jim Jones Death Tape 1978. By something, Deaf? (The channel name.) I haven't listened to it. I don't want to bit the YT algorithm heavily pushes that video.
So amazing she survived such a LONG walk in that treacherous jungle. She seems like a really nice lady, and so sane to have made it through all that loss :( Couldn't be me. Losing not only your blood family but your entire community... everyone you grew up around. And all the brainwashing/abuse that happened leading up to it. The PTSD must be horrendous.
I remember crying while looking at aTime magazine article that had pictures of some of the dead. One particular thing that stood out in the saddest way was several different images of dead adults, that when more closely examined showed the feet and legs of their children laying beneath them.
Yes though it happens way before I was even born it was really scary to me as a pre teenager seeing and learning what has happened. More over the years, along with other dangerous terrifying cults that have ended in the deaths of innocent children and people...💔😐
Her escape story is how one found out Guyana had a functioning railroad line. She and other escapees began walking along the track, a train came, stopped, picked em up, took em to the end of the line, Matthews Ridge, where lots of soldiers just looked at em at first and they got the vibe something bad happened.
@@johnnycrepaul547 she and her group made their escape in November 1978. She described she and the group walking along the track and the train stopping to pick them up. The CNN show that aired 30 years later showed the right of way, track removed.
Looking back at the situation, Congressman Leo Ryan should’ve went in Guyana with guns blazing, yes, take military protection. Maybe then more people would’ve survived this tragedy. But he underestimated the extent to which Jones would go to subdue any threats including top officials.
There's a video on RU-vid of her & another survivor going back to Jonestown. She said she needed to go back to finish healing. This woman's life will forever be tied to that murdered but for her sanity she had to forgive & move on.
I had a childhood friend who mom left to follow Jim Jones from Miami. It broke her son heart. She was battling with drug addiction to get her life on track i heard in adult conversation
I am with you. It amazes me how much control they have of their brainwashed flock. Also, they claim to dislike psychiatry, but literally hook everyone up to the silly machine and demand every single little detail about their lives. Then later on the information they gather is used to blackmail them and keep them in line. It is totally insane. Who could be that damned dumb???
@@rainiedayzproducestand6693 Many more. *Celebrities You Didn't Know Were Scientologists* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PmeMxuVkevo.html
*That's why we must always learn about HISTORY so we don't repeat it.* Because of the Jim Jones Jonestown Mass Suicide & Massacre, it won't get that Far. People are aware of what can happen. *This is why the gruesome Facts about our Past _(History)_ should NEVER be hidden.
I just listened to a 44:29 auto tape of of their final time on earth. It’s chilling. There was a woman trying to get Jim to see reason and change his mind, but to no avail. The crying of the children was too much for me.
I can only imagine the strength it takes to forgive somebody that brainwashed and murdered 900 people, many of whom you knew. Many people think forgiveness is weakness, but it takes significantly more strength to forgive somebody than it does to seek revenge
watching in 2021 & remembering this tragedy in 1978 ,while I was 10 years old & how the gut wrenching feeling is still the same for the loss of the over 200 innocent children at the hands of their own parents & over 700 adults, due to the deranged, drugged up mad man Jones..still painful & inconprehensible..
My Auntie Paulette Kelley Jackson was murdered by needle. She fought for her life and been wanting to escape. She followed him from California. May she rest in peace
Amazing story. So sad that her family in Jonestown didn't make it out and that her closest family here in the US, her dad, was upset with her over her brother's death. But the best part is that the woman forgave. Excellent. PS I don't think it's crazy for people to want something better, the dream of a utopia.
I especially understand considering the segregation that his mostly black following faced at the time in the states. Jones knew to target a vulnerable population to gain total control
@@Misscutieful1 yeah, the equality aspect must've been extremely attractive to people. I can definitely see being in that political climate and thinking the answer was to create a home away from society.
Wow she really is an amazing woman! The fact that after all this...she can smile, laugh and forgive...WOW! I hope she knows how much of a role model for other women, and men! She is!
I was a teen living in Guyana,Jim Jones would come to the city George Town and keep meetings ,and people would be on crutches and he would work miracles,supposedly.And we the locals some how knew something was not right with this preacher,every one would talk about this Jim Jones.But many did not know about Jones town and all the Americans living in the jungle.When the news broke everyone heard on the radio as people had no tv back then.Many Guyanese wonder how so many people can be so brain washed and not see the sighs.It was very devastating , People often ask me where I came from and I say Guyana .The response would be ,oh where Jim Jones were.I would say oh we were not part of that lol.
Years after this tragic event with Jim Jones and the People's Temple: I worked with a lady at a Federal Disaster Office. These offices are temporarily established by the Gov. to meet the needs of communities during natural disasters. They are also staffed by transient people who go from one disaster office to another; from state to state. Its been years now but I want to say her name is Janelle. Janelle was a black woman with dark circles under her eyes. She was a transient worker who often spoke about her 4 children. She even said I reminded her of her oldest daughter. We all used to wonder where her children were while she traveled around to different offices. But no one wanted to pry. Finally after several months when the office was soon to close; we shared "happy hour" type social outing that included drinks. After a few drinks Janelle began to open up and she told us that her mother and all 4 of her children were killed in Guyana with the Jim Jones followers. She was due to join them but never got the chance. This explained the dark circles under her eyes and perhaps why she kept moving around. Ironically only about a week after she left they began advertising the story of the Jonestown Massacre on TV. We were so glad she had already left. 🌹
I’ve been watching Skavlan for a few years (to learn Swedish). I’m also fascinated by documentaries on cults or real crime. So this brings the two together. I was surprised. Great show. You keep having amazing guests and I love that they are given the space to speak and tell their story.
His two sons went back with a few survivors. People who left right before the end. Which is recorded. You can hear him telling them don't cry don't be afraid
She should've been amazing BEFORE going to Guyana. She's my age, and I knew in '77 that this was a cult.....and that leaving the US with a kooky preacher was a baaaaad idea, despite what they had done for some people in Cali....
I was in high school in Brooklyn in 1978 when this happened. I remember reading about Jonestown in the New York Newsday on my way home from class. I didn't even know where Guyana was. It was quite disturbing.
I've heard Leslie's story in a few different videos, and her father just sounds like he wanted someone else to blame for his own failure. He judges her for not getting her brother out of Jonestown, but to my understanding, the father himself cut ties with the People's Temple long before their move to South America because he sensed something wrong with them...and yet he didn't get the rest of his family out of there with him.
We were unaware of them living there until that horrible day and were heartbroken and devastated that we couldn't at LEAST , get the chance to save those precious little babies . We rushed in there to save someone or something but were just too BLASTED late. They were all gone by then.all except the ones who had apparently run into the outer brushes to escape that raving, murdering LUNATIC Jim Jones......( MAY THE SOULS OF ALL THE DEPARTED REST IN PEACE).
You're so right. It reminded me immediately of my childhood when my parents were members of the jehovah's witnesses cult. The rules and the permanent brainwashing was tremendous.
She was a teen that got into trouble. Her sister was on drugs. That’s why they went to The Peoples Temple in the first place. Read her book. It’s very interesting.
Watching this proves to me why they have people take notes during an execution....Because everyone sees and hears and processes things differently, She said it was hell on earth, the other survivor laura said it was heaven.
All people that claim to be prophets are false prophets. A real one would not gloat about it for fame or attention. They would likely hide it and avoid big attention/media
I’ve certainly heard her story and the many other stories, documentaries, and profiles done on The Jonestown Massacre. Leslie is and was certainly a survivor unimaginable... Very terrifying, and Jim Jones again to me was a monster...💔😐 All of those innocent children and other adults were killed/murdered.... One of the most scariest images seeing a “Mass Suicide” in the name of God.😔
Agree I seen just about every interview that she has given I think Grace stone and Debra Layton have a lot to tell to but I don't see much interviews with them
I find it pretty crazy that they were living on rice in the jungle , an environment with an abundance of life . Some of Jones’s followers were trusted with firearms and they never thought of hunting . I think that was intentional maybe to keep them weak and deprived of everything people need to live and think properly.
I think it is amazing that people keep asking these people how did they get involved in this cult; instead of recognizing that society itself led many of these people to this cult. Many of these people choose Jonestown because they were searching for a place in society that they were accepted and were free from oppression in mainstream America.
I heard the lady when she told the man that Jim Jones didnt start the suicide sessions until in Jonestown, but I read in the article that Jim started talking about the suicide while still in America
One of the best panels to date. Bless that woman, may she "live" long and prosper. The Jonestown massacre is so interesting, in a disgusting way, with respect. Mucho respect to Leslie Wagner-wilson for sharing this horrific, tragic part of her "young" life. Mucho love Skavlan . I've been a viewer for years but only a subscriber for maybe 1 year. These episodes are the reason for that. Great work as always. But again Merchants face. lol
