Holy shit dude you were not kidding I was frustrated AF with my smooth ceilings and today I went and got the roller and the paint. $70 for promar 400 but my god this stuff is incredible. Literally melts into the ceiling. Thank you for the video for real. I threw so much money away on this and sanded and sanded and sanded and I'm finally amazed, I can see the ceiling from a foot away in my shallow kitchen and it looks perfect. Thank you again bro for real
Glad we can help my friend. Low ceilings were killing us for a while until we started using this product, so we feel your pain. Appreciate the feedback.
@@SuperVassarBrothers especially if you use wall satin paint on a flat ceiling 🤦♀️ We’re repainting our whole house. Every room, doors, trim, cabinets… So I appreciate your tips !
I've always used Masterhide flat from SW on ceilings. Not sure if its available in all markets, but its cheap, a true dead flat, and covers like a champ. It makes a great primer if needed, and touches up great. It does speckle like crazy though when rolling overhead. I like your vids, man. As a pro, I agree with you way more than I do other popular RU-vidrs on the subject. Good work.
I do a lot of new construction homes and that's all I use for ceilings and closets. It's cheaper covers great but man does it rain down on you. Burns the eyes a little bit lol
Thanks Toby! We've used Masterhide in the past as well and I liked it. We still use it on some jobs, but we've switched over to Promar Ceiling paint for most of our ceilings. It's just a personal preference. Nothing wrong with Masterhide! Keep smashing brother.
Gotta try this, just finished my basement with bear, lap marks like crazy. I don’t think you would know unless your really wanting it perfect. But 4:00 light come through the window and really shows laps and shadows.
Try using a arrorworthy microfiber 9/16 roller it works great with the promar ceiling paint.I use the 14 inch roller holds a lot of paint and gives a more even distribution in my opinion and less spatter then the white dove woven cover.Another great ceiling paint is superhide zero voc from Benjamin Moore for about $17 a gallon.The muresco from Benjamin Moore also very good.Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the info Dave. I'll look into those microfiber rollers and the Benny Moore ceiling paint. I've never found a ceiling paint that I actually liked from Benjamin Moore, but sometimes our clients request it. Thanks again!
@@SuperVassarBrothers Sherwin Williams makes a paint called painters edge.The flat version is the flattest paint you can buy from Sherwin Williams at $15 a gallon..Works great with the arrowworthy microfiber.It has a sheen of .5-1 unit @ 85° which is more flat then the promar ceiling paint so in critical lighting might be a bit better.
you must enjoy dipping rollers if you use a 9/16 ..... I use a 1.25" lambwool and paint a whole ceiling with 8 dips !!! gets those edges too ..... slop that crap on !!!! and yes , it comes out looking just fine
Great video. I was using the SW eminence ceiling paint but now using SW cashmere. The finish with the cashmere looks super but it does flash a little. I will give the pro mar a try next time. And it is also cheaper. Keep the vids coming Thanks
Is it possible to paint my ceiling where I see some stains? will it match? I tried matching the paint from the vent that was painted on the ceiling but it seems the color and sheen are still off so I’m not sure if I can touch it up or just paint the whole thing again. I think it’s older paint so it’s ultra flat.
If it’s older paint then it’s unlikely that you’ll get a decent match. If you’ve got stains then you may need to hit them with some spray Kilz then paint the whole ceiling (likely 2 coats). That’s the most bomb proof solution.
@@SuperVassarBrothers I just got some kilz upshot. it seems to blend okay but its tinted a little darker then the rest of the paint. I might have to just keep feathering it. do you cover everything in plastic before spraying?
Thanks for this...I just finished two coats on a vaulted ceiling yesterday with another brand and the streaks are terrible. I will try this brand and see if its any improvement.
It’s our current favorite. See if you can get a contractor’s discount on it. Otherwise you’ll way over pay for Promar. Sherwin Williams is weird about selling it to home owners.
@@SuperVassarBrothers Appreciate that idea...Frankly, after a sleepless night of agonizing over the poor look, I am happy to pay whatever to get it done right. I saw that some ceiling paints have a temporary pink tint going on to better track your coverage..any experience with that please?
Thanks for the recommendation... What paint would you recommend for uplighting your ceiling that will best reflect or diffuse the light with minimal glare?
Thank you for your honesty!!! Will this work for a kitchen ceilings? I just tried to get this paint in my color snowbound and you can’t. What other ceiling paint do you recommend?
What about a 3 season porch used for a hot tub? Exterior or interior the ceiling is covered by a roof but New Engand has extreme temperatures. Please help 🙏
I'd recommend going with a good exterior paint. My first choice would be Regal Select Moorgard in the Low Lustre sheen. It's one of my favorite exterior paints and it holds up really well to weather and extreme temperatures. If you want a bit more sheen then you can go with the Moorglo Soft-Gloss. Here's a link to a review I did of both of these products if you want some more info. If I were in your shoes, I'd use one of these products. Good luck with your project! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lwq4U9Cd5Y4.html
Hello, I have a question about bathroom paint. Can you paint a satin sheen over semigloss? I'm not liking the sheen and I used Sherwin Williams Super Paint in Semigloss to paint the walls and I now want to paint over it with a Benjamin Moore's Aura Satin sheen paint. Would I be able to do this without sanding my walls prior and would I encounter any problems just painting over it? Thank you
Hi Lisa. If your bathroom has a shower or tub in it make sure to use a moisture resistant paint like Ben Moores Aura Bath and Spa. Otherwise yes you can paint satin over semi gloss. Minimum it will take 2 coats and as long as there are no water stains on the wall you'll be fine. If water stains or water marks show through after the first coat then you'll need to oil prime those areas. Good luck!
@@SuperVassarBrothers Ok, do I have to use a Deglosser like Krudd Kutter Gloss-Off to remove the Sherwin Williams semigloss sheen before applying the Benjamin Moore's Aura Bath and Spa paint since that paint is a Matte finish? Thank you so much for your time. You have been very helpful!
I scraped small paint flakes on 1950's home ceiling and found the three coats of paint came off easily. Do I need to use a primer before using this paint?
Hi Pat. I would recommend priming just in case. If you went over it with Promar most likely you would do 3 coats anyway. Thats what we've experienced. Have a good one!
if im wanting to paint the wall and ceiling both SW Tricorn black and bought Emerald for the walls. Should I try and use that on the ceiling and try and get ProMar tinted?
I'd stick with Emerald for everything. To my knowledge Promar doesn't come in an ultra-deep base. It's often a better move to go with a more premium product (Emerald) for dark colors. It covers better and you'll generally have less issues. The deeper bases tend to perform a bit better with a lower sheen like matte or flat, in case that's also a concern.
What are your suggestions on adding reflective additives for a lighting effect in a music or computer studio w/ rgb lighting? Is there a better off the shelf movie scream type paint?
Hi Dean. We haven't done much with adding reflective additive, so we might not be your best resource. We did do a video on Light Reflective Value here. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bWV4ShSLYHo.html Hope all goes well!
1/2 inch should still work for you. It would have to be a fairly aggressive texture to go with a 3/4 inch nap. My current favorite roller cover is the Wooster 1/2 inch Pro Doo-Z FTP
@@SuperVassarBrothers just for clarification, isnt 3/4 for smoother and 1/2 for semi rough? In your video you recommend 3/4 but it looks kind of smooth. So im thinking with my semi rough, 3/4 might work better?
I'm not a painter but a homeowner that wants to paint her ceiling and i need help choosing paint. My home is a new construction covered with SW agreeable gray from top to bottom. I need a ceiling paint that will match agreeable gray. I've since found out that it goes well with extra white or incredible white. But im open to trying other brands that would work. Also need roller suggestions. Thanks in advance
Extra White is a great option. You can also go with the untinted Promar Ceiling Paint. If you can, see if you can get the contractor price for the Promar Ceiling paint. It is unreasonably expensive for homeowners if you don't get the contractor discount. Most Sherwin Williams stores will cut you a deal. I prefer a 9 inch White Dove 1/2 inch nap roller from Purdy. That's what we use for the majority of the ceilings that we do. Good luck with your ceilings!
@@SuperVassarBrothers just from SW and 5 gallons of extra white flat paint is $230. I thought flat was cheaper. I need a cheaper alternative in home depot
To my knowledge, I don't think I've ever used CHB. You could always try a few gallons out and see how it goes. I'll ask my sales rep about trying some. Maybe we'll do a comparison video in the future!
It depends on what finish/sheen you are looking for. If you want it to be flat (no shine) then I'd go with the Promar Ceiling Paint from Sherwin Williams. The last couple tongue and groove ceilings we've painted, we used Duration Matte which turned out really nice. It's a bit shinier than a flat, but not nearly as shiny as a trim paint. If you get Duration on sale from Sherwin Williams, then you can get it around $35 a gallon. I hope this helps!
Hi. We like using the same color on the ceiling and trim. For sheens we typically use flat on ceilings, semi gloss for trim, and matte or eggshell for walls. We like Duration semi gloss for trim, promar ceiling for ceilings, and duration matte for walls. Good luck!
Is it easy to touch up after it's been sprayed? I have a project coming up and there is a good chance electricians are going to mark up the ceilings after I spray them :)
For a bathroom with high humidity would you recommend BM aura bath or SW premium ceiling paint. And do both require a primer? If so what do you recommend
You could use Sherwin Williams Drywall Primer or their Multi-Purpose Primer. Both should do the trick. The drywall primer is fairly inexpensive. The Multi-Purpose is a little more pricey but its super easy to work with and its one of my favorite primers. Thanks for the comment and let me know how your project turns out!
Hmmmm, that really depends on the look that you're going for and which type/color of paint you're using. We've typically done them in Semi-Gloss, but thats what our clients have requested.
Do you ever tint white ceiling paint? I don’t like super bright whites in a bedroom. In general I don’t like a blue undertone? Can you suggest a soft white tint?
Yes you can tint ceiling paint any color you wish. If you don't like blue undertones then I'd steer you towards a white that has a warm tone to it. Take a look at these three colors from Sherwin Williams: Greek Villa SW 7551, Alabaster SW 7008, Ibis White SW 7000. I hope this helps!
@@SuperVassarBrothers thank you. I did tint with Greek Villa with Watery as kitchen paint colors, I’m doing a bedroom now and was considering Marshmellow with a warm wall color in rose family,
I would like a late 2023 update. How about a shootout 1) SW-HGTV Ceiling 2) new SW-Premium Ceiling Paint 3) Benjamin Moore Super hide (flat white) 4) SW-ProMar Ceiling 4) Behr Premium Plus Interior ceiling paint. I am wondering if the premium box stores paints are as good. I am a lowly home remodeler seeking wisdom and guidance. Thank you.
That would be a solid video that we may pursue next year. I’ve tried the new SW premium ceiling paint and it’s decent and better priced for homeowners. Promar ceiling paint is still our jam currently. It has yet to be dethroned in my opinion 🤙
We usually use the untinted white base Promar Ceiling Paint unless our clients want it tinted to a different color. The product code on the white base is 6508-68060
I've had the best results with Promar Ceiling paint. However, if you can't get it at a contractors discount then it may not be worth it for you. You shouldn't pay more than $30 a gallon. For whatever reason Sherwin Williams doesn't like selling Promar to homeowners. A decent substitute would be Superpaint Flat which you should be able to get for a decent price. Good luck with your ceiling!
@@SuperVassarBrothers where are you guys seeing $30 per gallon without a contractor's discount? Almost all paint these days are $30 per quart and $70-80 per gallon. Even the cheap stuff is $60-$70.
Not sure if you are still following this videos comments, getting ready to repaint an entire house and was considering this stuff. It looks like the most current reviews on SW website say they have cheapened the mix??? Do you still use this and any other recommendations if you don’t?
We do try and keep up with the comments, but I've been slacking over Christmas break. We have had some interesting experiences with Promar ceiling recently. A good alternative that you may actually get cheaper (especially if you don't have a contractors account) is using Super Paint Flat. It's not marketed as a ceiling paint, but it works really well as one. During the shortage we were using it a lot for our ceilings. That's my #1 recommendation for a Promar alternative. Good luck with your project!
We have, but it’s kind of a break even experience. We end up doing three coats if we go straight over drywall. We always prime first then do two coats.
So wait...are we NOT supposed to use wall paint on the ceilings?! Im gonna paint some areas of my house for the 1st time and Im nervous.🥴 We have TERRIBLE flat paint everywhere and I was gonna do a semi-gloss(because I have little ones) and need to be able to wipe it down when needed.
You can use whatever paint you want, wherever you want, however there are general guidelines if you want things to look more professional. I'd recommend taking a look at this short video I did on sheens to give you an overview of what sheens go where. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DyKh80Yt9k0.html Also, if you are nervous about painting you may also want to check out our series on painting a bedroom. That may help you plan things out and give you a better idea of what you're getting into. ru-vid.com/group/PLnSMwyqqXFD_rpyVrjc94-TL00Op6nu-J Good luck with your project!
Great content, appreciate you sharing your expertise. I am a little confused about the pricing/availability of this paint though, since the list price is $75 and only on the "pro" section of the SW website. Have they really tripled the price for this in the last couple of years? And how would a non-pro account even order this? I understand if you're too busy to answer, just thought I'd ask!
This is an annoying thing about Sherwin Williams. I wasn't aware of this at the time of making the video, but for whatever reason they don't like selling Promar Ceiling paint to "non-professionals". Under no circumstances, should you pay $75 for this paint. The best way to do it is to see if you can get the contractor price or use a contractor friend's account at Sherwin Williams. You should be paying right around $30 per can. If that doesn't work out, then a decent alternative is to go with Superpaint Flat. You can usually get a decent deal on that paint and it works really well.
If you're going over a previously painted ceiling then no. You can go straight over the old ceiling with this paint. If you're going over new drywall then you may want to use a drywall primer before doing your top coats with the ceiling paint.
@@SuperVassarBrothers it’s acoustic tiles. Not the kind with holes. They’re 12x12. The rest of the house has been painted except for one room. Idk what they used on the ceilings but it looks good and appears to be a latex.
@@synthesaurus It's greyed a bit, but not as much as a builder's flat. It's somewhere in between the two, I'd say more on the grey side when compared to say one of the Ben Moore's ceiling paints. Extremely flat though.
good video but just checked with my local Sherwin Williams and the Pro Mar ceiling paint is $78.99 GL. Even with the sale price of $59.24 GL a bit too pricey for me.
Ugh, don't get me started. Sherwin Williams pricing is ridiculous for homeowners. I didn't realize it when I put this video out. For whatever reason, they don't really offer Promar ceiling to homeowners even though it's their best ceiling paint. It's not worth $60 a gallon. I pay under $25 for it, which is reasonable. They're about to release a new ceiling paint that I think will have a better price point. As an alternative, you can try Superpaint Flat on ceilings if it's on sale. It'll defiantly be cheaper then what you'd pay for Promar.
@@SuperVassarBrothers I ended up buying Sherwin Williams Eminence Ceiling paint and it worked out well. List price was $42.49 GL but with 25% off sale I paid $31.87 so not bad.
If you have warm walls do not use this. Its super blue. Ceiling Bright White SW 7007. Had painters use this today. Its way too blue. Using high reflective white tomorrow. Think thats too white? Extra white promar 200 tinted HRW. I just want a white ceiling no undertones.
You can get Promar tinted to whatever you want. 7006 Extra White is a solid option. We’ve never had an issue with stock Promar. It takes on the characteristics of the light reflected in the room, but that’s just been my experience.
@@SuperVassarBrothers I didnt try extra white, it does look a little less blue on the fan deck, but still blue. Im going with promar 200 in high reflective white. Originally they did ceiling white which was too blue but also didnt cover nicotine stains. Today they put a stain blocker one, sherwin extreme water based in “white” which looks way better and no blue. No clue what white that exactly is. Tomorrow the high reflective white goes on. I dk why ceiling white exists like that, it might not look bad against a grey wall, but looks terrible against warm wall imo. Sherwin makes so stupid decisions. Having eggshell not exist or be same as satin is a stupid one lol
Haha, I feel yah. I'll use other rollers if I have them, but often I've got a case of 3/8s in my truck. My brother prefers 1/2 inch. I should probably switch 😬
@@Rizzo2185 I’m referring to the 2 gallon size pails they sell by the counter at any Home Depot it’s a brighter white than SW and performs better I’ve been using it for over 10 years on the job and sells for around $32.00 for the 2 gallon can so at $16.00 a gallon a better buy than SW believe me I’m not wrong.
If they've already been painted then you can use whatever interior paint you want to (assuming that they're interior walls). If they haven't been painted then you'll want to use a masonry paint like Loxon.
Give a 1" Lambs wool roller a try , see what you think , goes a LONG way inbetween dips .... I'll even use a 1 1/4" ..... ceiling dead flats works just fine , but if it's a "sticky paint" I'll use polyester blend or something (Lambswool doesn't like "stickypaints")..... I do not use a 3/8 on ANY walls or ceilings unless it is a smooth wall or ceiling and any stiple might show .... I have no problems with thick lambs wool rollers and I slop that paint on and roll a LOT before I dip again .... it works very well .... I swear by lambswool and I'll usually put a tad of floetrol and water if need be just to make the paint nice and buttery smooth and roll like crazy , very very few "holidays" if any .... By the way , Thanks for the tip on the promar ceiling paint , gonna give it a try first chance I get
Appreciate to tips. Maybe we'll give Lambswool a try in the future. We like the smooth finish of the 3/8 or 1/2 for ceilings. I'll see how the lambswool compares. Have a good one!
@@SuperVassarBrothers I don't think you'll notice a difference in final finish , will look the same , and you'll get a lot more coverage from a roller dip , might want a splash of floetrol and even a little splash of water in it , I always throw some in , it helps flow and get rid of "holidays" ..... You won't go back to a 3/8 or 1/2 once you do this on textured walls and ceilings .... only on smooth walls or ceilings yes , 3/8 or 1/2
Great video, only thing is when I get down to my Sherwin Williams paint store the “Pro” paint isn’t there, or at least it isn’t shown, they might have it in back. My other problem was the person helping me didn’t know squat. Are these paints only available to contractors? And if so, how does a non-contractor buy them?
Tom, great observation. Sherwin Williams is having a paint shortage at the moment and your store may be holding the "Pro" paint for the contractors. This is common as the contractors are the big spenders. Super paint flat is a more available option at the moment and works well. The employees helping you can range widely in knowledge. Some, especially newer employees may know diddly squat, and more seasoned employees can be extremely helpful. Managers of the store are usually good.
How can you think this is the best ceiling paint. It leaves a nice finish, goes on well but this does not cover in one coat. Behr paint can cover in one coat but does not have a good finish. These days I feel like a paint should be able to cover in one coat.
One coat coverage was invented in the marketing departments of paint companies. We do 2 coats on nearly every job we do, whether it’s ceiling, walls or trim. The first coat serves as a base coat to set you up for a high quality / uniform second coat. We just did a video testing the claim of one coat coverage. You can check it out here if you’re interested: One Coat Challenge! Home Depot vs Ben Moore vs Lowes ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zuBUsK1Xyo0.html
It's not just for contractors. You can purchase it at any Sherwin Williams store. Sherwin Williams is always runnings sales, but you should be able to get a gallon of this in the low $20s.
Let me double check with my sales guy tomorrow. $69 is bananas for that paint. If its actually that expensive for homeowners then I'll look into a cheaper alternative for you.
@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks man I appreciate that. That was I was thinking! That’s a little outrageous! I can understand paying more money for wall paint as it’s getting finger prints and what not from my kids so I don’t mind spending the extra money but for ceiling paint that’s crazy. I used behr ceiling paint before and it was good and around $90 for a 5 gallon but I was just looking for something from SW as I’m getting the wall paint for my house from there.
Hi Pearl, $70 is too high for that paint. We pay substantially less since we have a contractor discount. They do run 40% off sales all the time tho, plus there is a massive paint shortage of that paint right now. For ceilings if you can go with a flat paint, they work the best. Good luck!
Hi again Nick. I would have to respectfully disagree. For us the 508 waterborne cuts in slow, seems a bit thick and flecks like crazy when we roll. We've used different rollers as well. We like the super hide better from Benny Moore. We still prefer the Promar ceiling overall from Sherwin Williams. We are doing some videos on these products soon. Thanks for your input.
Benjamin Moore 508 is the best paint for ceilings. I have recommended it multiple times, and everyone tells me thank you after they use it. People who do the work themselves have different opinions about paint than pro painters.
Promar is the truth. But if you don’t have a painting account it is priced at 70$ off the shelf so the Eminence ceiling paint is the way to go if you don’t have a painters account.
CHB, not even disputable, way cheaper and a better finish. Throw away the promar after guaranteed. Royal ceiling flat for a one coat after prime if you don't have CHB in your area
Used Behr ceiling paint from HD with purple label. Absolute garbage learned my lesson to buy better quality paint. I sprayed it, but had to fix some drywall and rolled it after and could not make lap marks disappear.
I do not. The Sherwin Williams paint they sell at Lowe’s is not the same paint sold at Sherwin Williams stores. None of the Sherwin Williams products we use are sold at Lowe’s.
Please be warned: Wife and I have years of experience painting and have liked SW in years past but they have clearly cheapened the recipe. It's thinner and doesn't cover well at all. It was a complete waste of money. We deeply regret starting a large project with this garbage paint. We will never buy SW again. This paint is the equivalent of a dollar store guitar. By the way, they also reduced the amount in the can from 128 oz (1 gal) to 124 oz, but still charge $55 per can.
no sense in mentioning a "3/8 nap roller" because not all ceilings are smooth , so different rollers for different ceilings , and to be honest , I never use a 3/8 nap on much of anything "walls or ceiling" that has a texture ..... 1/2" minimum and frankly 3/4" minimum .... I don't like dippin rollers all day and I use lamb wool , damn near paint 1/4 ceiling in one dip
We use a couple different roller types as well. My brother prefers 1/2" and I usually like 3/8". Most of the ceilings we do are finished drywall that's pretty smooth, but I hear yah. Different rollers for different situations.
@@SuperVassarBrothers oops , I just commented on roller size again (above in a new comment) , didn't realize I made this comment 6months ago .... lol , your vid popped up again in my feed .... guess that's good news for you ....
@@SuperVassarBrothers yep picture framing is exactly my issue lol 😆 You describe it so well Oh well I'll repaint my ceiling some other time my floors are in & walls painted so would take too much. Do you think spray painting a ceiling resolves the issue? The prep work would be a killer.
I have painted professionally for over 30 years. SW has some great paint. The paint you chose here is the absolute worst paint I’ve ever dipped a brush in. Horrible mileage and it won’t cover itself. Absolutely shit paint in a can. SW has several other paints not labeled as ceiling paint that are far better options.
Hi Jake. We don't hear many complaints about Promar ceiling. In our experience it performed much better than Promar 200 flat, Promar 400 flat, quali cote flat, Eminence flat, and Master hide flat. We used super paint flat and it does cover well but since we do two coats on most ceilings the Promar Ceiling had better bang for the buck. If your looking to get something done in one coat I could understand using a more expensive flat paint. In our experience we ended up doing two coats with most high end flat paints and thats why we settled with Promar ceiling. We love it and use it all the time. To each is own my friend. Merry Christmas!
@@SuperVassarBrothers agreed. To each their own. I learned long ago cost is relative....cheap paint always costs a painter more in the end. All paints can be "ceiling" white with a touch of blue added to make them brighter. PM ceiling is very flat and does touch up well but, I found it to cover very very poorly...even with 2+ coats. Merry Christmas to you as well.
Hi Eric. We haven't used CHB so I don't have an informed opinion on that product. Maybe it does touch up better, but to my knowledge is a more new construction builder grade paint. We 've had great results with Promar ceiling even compared to Benny Moores ceiling paints. If we try CHB and love it, we'll make a video about it. Have a good one!
There are two types of painters. Those with a clean brush and clothes and those with dirty brush and clothes. The best painters I've known have come from both sides. Really when it comes down to it if you are doing hard indoor/outdoor commercial jobs or outdoor residential your brush should look like shit because if it doesn't you are worrying too much about your brush.
Seems logical to me. Doing exterior painting we go through a lot more brushes. Interior residential we can make em last a bit longer. Keep spitting facts my friend
I lucked out found a 5 gallon bucket for $55 from an Ebay seller 40 minutes away this weekend. He said his painters purchased too much paint & he had that 5gal as a leftover.
