Shiki Tohno Vs Shiki Ryougi 

Nah she slaughters him Void Shiki is on another level compared to Nanaya since she can do crap like kill the future or annihilate reality with her eyes due to having a direct connection to the root of all things her 3rd personality is essentially omniscient and has an infinite understanding of death. Void Ryougi is as close to omnipotent character as Nasuverse gets in KnK's epilogue she explains- "But, I can go even deeper. No... maybe I myself am that spiral..... Spiral of origin, its where all cause and effect begin, where everything and nothing exist, that is my true identity. Even though we are just connected, but since I am part of it, I too am an equivocal existence, right? That is why I can do anything..hmm like restructuring the laws governing atomic matter, or go back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, to reconstruct the orders and laws of this world it is all easy for me to do. It's not changing the existing world, but rather annihilate the old one with a new reality." Even without it when Ryougi picks up a katana her martial ability increases to the point that according to Nasu she could easily fight an entire apartment filled with Ryougi (Knife) and she can fight defensively against Servants and defeat Demons even without her eyes.

Ryougi has also easily killed Nero in Melty Blood. And while killing Arcueid is impressive, he did that through a surprise attack. She is also stated to be stronger : "A listless girl who who wears both Eastern and Western clothes by wearing a leather jacket on top of her kimono. A character that seems have to have taken only the best parts of two characters: Tohno Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception and Nanaya Shiki's Nanaya Techniques. Every movement is high-spec, with no opening in either her offense or defense. However, attacks that do not use either her knife or her katana deal surprisingly low damage".- Character Introduction from Tsukihime's fourth Character Popularity Poll And sword-wielding Ryougi is an entire tier above that.

Well we often forget that How Tohno Shiki wasnt at his full power in the entire tsuhikime VN, he was *SPOILERS AHEAD* sharing his life and was on the verge of death (since in Ahika's route it was established that He can die anytime and was at Ahika's mercy) and in that state he Killed Nero and Arcueid whereas Ryougi Shiki (The 3rd One who is the origin itself) is the most OP Person in the entire Nasuverse as she can kill anyone just by thinking about it (so lets not consider her), so between Nananya Shiki (At Full Power) and Shiki, He will win because we never saw him at his full power + His Eyes of Mystic Death perception can even see the death of Non Living things (Unlike Ryougi) , it will be a close battle between Nananya Shiki Vs Samurai Ryougi doe, Not to mention Nananya were skilled in Killing supernatural beings

Ryougi can also kill non living things ( she killed telekinetic attacks, bounded fields, an endless space and a prediction of the future), she even says in the novel that she can see the lines in every person, in every wall and in the air itself. Yes the Nanaya were skilled in slaying demons, but Knife Ryougi was already said to have the martial prowess of Nanaya while with her Katana is described as being able to battle demons without needing MEODP and able to see into the future.

@@saberlily1954 Too bad Void is a factor that can almost never be accounted for in a fight since Void spends basically all of her time sleeping. Yes, she can do all of that since she is basically God, but she's never going to because everything is too boring for her

Simply because your works are hidden gems

Shen Dytan Look up Hyun's Dojo on here. Then go to their recent One Minute Melee video. click the drop tab under description and click on any link under "Join our Community". Any one of those options should work to contact him

Shen Dytan Hope to see u guys collaborate because u have the talent for it!

Hi, i've Shiki video too here, would you like to check it out & give your opinion about it 🙂 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5a3qg7y3zXk.html

I’ve been telling people this but they’re too ignorant of Tsukihime to know that Talk and Prelude even exist.

Maybe Ryougi has a better Mystic eyes but not stronger Mystic eyes. Because many people jumps to conclude that better = stronger. No it is not. Tohno eyes are stronger. Here it explains why ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vOyHLW-gM5o.html

@@iguoyrxayananikihs9505 Ryougi killed an infinite universe, abstract laws, and instilled the concept of Death in an Ultimate One in MBAA. Tohno has absolutely 0 feats on her level when it comes to Death Perception.

Hahahaha the facts

You're welcome, and take your time. Projects like these need a lot of work. It's not healthy for an animator to get burnt out. By the way, your sound quality sounds a bit low, what do you have set as?

Ah sick, can't wait to see more from you. There's a lot of hidden talent in this channel and it's almost painful how little attention you've gotten so far. Here's to hoping your new content brings in the respect you rightfully deserve. Stay awesome.

They are from different families. Tohno Shiki comes from the Nanaya clan and Ryougi Shiki comes from the Ryougi.

You should do a tutorial on this though. And do you use flash to animate this?

Also do you have skype or discord? So I can contact you?

I need the numbers xD

Here is mine though... Reseen13#1708

alright how do you make your animation look 2.5d or 3d?like how do you get the scenes with different angles like in this scene 2:31 where dd you get all of these cool special effects and I would lke to see how you use them in a tutorial,how do you get the text to look like this 0:16 ? how do you make the characters bounce in 1:00 how did you blur shiki ryougi in 0:54 and the choreography and movement for both shiki ryougi and shiki tohno was insane man,I would really love to see you make tutorials and I dont know why but the professional sprite animators never make tutorials and thats why its really hard to improve your animating skills with no one to teach but then again its your choice to make tutorials or not.Thanks for reading

@@CinematicResolve alright how do you make your animation look 2.5d or 3d?like how do you get the scenes with different angles like in this scene 2:31 where dd you get all of these cool special effects and I would lke to see how you use them in a tutorial,how do you get the text to look like this 0:16 ? how do you make the characters bounce in 1:00 how did you blur shiki ryougi in 0:54 and the choreography and movement for both shiki ryougi and shiki tohno was insane man,I would really love to see you make tutorials and I dont know why but the professional sprite animators never make tutorials and thats why its really hard to improve your animating skills with no one to teach but then again its your choice to make tutorials or not.Thanks for reading

@@CinematicResolve Thank you so much for listening man now im extremely hyped for you to make tutorials I cant wait.god bless you man

Oscar glad you liked it and the program to use to start is, adobe animate cc or flash 8 which is what I started with but that was many years ago. As for how to learn, there are many videos of how to animate videos, fewer on how to animate Sprite videos in . It takes a bit of time but once you get the hang of it you can make all your imaginations come to life. Good luck bud!

@@CinematicResolve thank you so much!

It is one of the Melty blood background themes.

Too late but It "(severe person)"

so couldve tohno, it's literally a matter of who hits first

I guesss a you never read kagetsu tohya

No tohno would have won bc that's not void and if shiki nanaya is included then it's a one sided fight

ryougi has to slash, tohno can stab

@@DarioKalen_Kagenui Really? Source please. I know that Ryougi Shiki has stronger eyes but I didn't know the slashes acted as points. And also, Tohno Shiki is superior in every other way, except the eyes.

@@BxnnyBride the source is in the type-moon wiki, I'm pretty sure. And no, Tohno Shiki isn't superior in every other way. Though he has the skills he got during his early childhood, Ryougi was better taught (since Tohno only learned the basics before his clan was exterminated) and she's more skilful, specially in the blade use, where she excells. And, in the case we count when Tohno Shiki "transforms" into his Nanaya Shiki's side (Nanaya is the name of the clan, I had to search it) he could be more of a match than before, but since he just becomes apparently (apparently cause of what the wiki says) more difficult to kill this doesn't apply against an user of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (be it whoever they are) it wouldn't matter. But in the hypotethical case (I mean, it could happen) he got better/more strong or fast or whatever, Ryougi would be at least in the same level, and she's more skilful and has more experience (in addition to her higher rank Mystic Eyes of Death Perception and death concept). And she could still use her self-suggestion (Tohno's Nanaya's side is a bit similar to the basic concept of this, but without the Void thing and some other things), when she is just too overpowered. (Sorry for the long text. As I said, if you want more info just go to the type-moon wiki and search for these characters; but take into account that many times only one's entry may not be enough, since sometimes some power or ability or maybe some concept is explained better in other entry that may not be referneced there and you might just read that as a coincidence. typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Shiki_Tohno typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Shiki_Ryougi Here you have the characters' entry pages.)

​@@DarioKalen_Kagenui I know both characters, as I've read Tsukihime and watched KnK. Also, Tohno Shiki is indeed faster than Ryougi Shiki, he can basically teleport (he just moves so fast that it looks like that), while Ryougi Shiki cannot, so the video above is already wrong in that aspect but whatever. The Nanaya clan is the BEST at hunting demons, being even called the trump card. And Shiki Tohno IS (or was because the clan went kaboom) the prodigy of the clan. To add to this, superior Mystic Eyes wouldn't matter since they're both human, and Tohno Shiki has already fought another Mystic Eyes of Death Perception user, while Ryougi didn't. To add more into this, Tohno Shiki fights even stronger characters in Tsukihime than Ryougi does in KnK, he has to fight against a MEoDP user, Dead Apostles, Arcueid to some extent and many more. Not to include that in Tsukihime II (a cancelled continuation of Arcueid's route), most of the Dead Apostles shit their pants when they see/hear Tohno Shiki. Although he wouldn't stand a chance agaisnt Void Shiki. (Ryougi Shiki isn't Void Shiki anyways).

@@BxnnyBride I know he has an ability like that (it says so in the wiki entries I sent), but that isn't something to be used forever, and as I said Ryougi is said to be at least as powerful as Tohno in his Nanaya's side, when he's supposed to be at his most. And Ryougi can still use her self-suggestion without transforming into Kara/Void Shiki. And what you said about the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, I get what you mean, but what I wanted to say is that in equal conditions but with the different Eyes, it would be easier for Ryougi to kill Tohno than viceverse, since hers are more powerful, what means she can see higher rank or stronger death lines, while Tohno may need to cut several lines in order to do it. It's like when he is able to see points, Ryougi sees that kind of strong death lines more often, and due to a better recognisition or mindset about what death is she has it easier to kill things, which would result in humans being more simple death-wise so it would be easier. And it doesn't really matter that Tohno's has dealt with other Eyes user before, since it's practically the same thing as dealing with a knife/blade user when combating a human; don't let him slice you up.

Yeah cause honestly, both of their limbs would be flying all over the place if they attack each other like that lmao

fam she can only see lines of death, whereas he can see the points of death which is the definition of a one hit kill to anything in that universe regardless of status (with the exception of a few).

@@BIGmlems Tohno needs glasses to control his eyes. Shiki can control her mystic eyes at will. Never compare a mongrel to a God like her.

I'm pretty sure type moon declared she's stronger than this low life boy. She even dismembered him thoroughly from the readings of Melt bloody actress going in to fight Earth type Arcueid. Her physical abilities based off the anime, shows she has accomplished feats the Mages still can't compare to. Tohno is un athletic boy. Though they both come from the same clan he is a Amateur. Shiki is professionally trained in combat and sword play.

@@patrickwelch7057 I'm pretty sure that "Tohno Shiki" is a fake.

Ryougi and Nanaya are two different clan. The Nanaya were considered the trump card of the Demon Hunter Organization. Hell, Tohno Shiki even surpasses his real father Nanaya Kiri in terms of potential, who nearly kill Kishima Kouma.

Read kagetsu tohya, nanaya family were the strongest

@@zzzomitted I'm SO fucking confused.

would make more sense if it was void shiki but since its just regular R shiki, T shiki would win no doubt considering that he's eyes is more specialized in killing "living things" due to how his eyes work compared to R shiki and because of his nanaya bloodline which is one of the most op bloodlines in nasuverse

@@kaikiriya2761 I wanna get so spoiled so bad on this.

@@CinematicResolve and sadly it doesn't exist.

There is a manga version of it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tea5r5TDgVI.html

@@Tamanini I'm not really a fan of that doujin as it's more based off the authors bias rather than how the fight would go.

@@agravain9006 Well i think even an 1 v 1 of shirou and shiki would end the same way

@@Tamanini I disagree.

Adobe Animate/Flash :)

@@CinematicResolve I've always wanted to do sprite animations ever since smbz came out so super thx

@@thatonecaster6501 Yeah, That was an awesome series! Good Luck

Tohno Shiki is superior to Ryougi Shiki in every way except the eyes. Also Tohno Shiki can stab, Ryougi Shiki can't.

@@BxnnyBride It's also good to mention that Tohno can literally kill nature, and I mean this in a literally sense. He attacks part of the planet itself, destroying the area in the process. We haven't really seen Ryougi do this (from what I remember) since she can't see points.

While it's true that Ryougi can't see the points, certain lines that she can see have the same exact function of bringing instant death that the points have. Tohno may have killed nature but given that Ryougi has already killed concepts without form and that her MEODP is canonically several ranks higher than his, she should easily be able to do the same.

@@hardlightdemon8523 Nanaya Tohno wouldn't even stand a chance in hell against the real Shiki anyway

@@hardlightdemon8523 yeah but not anymore... Until the Nanaya one become Satsujinki

@@mohdgabril4840 Satsujinki is not stronger than Nanaya

@@hardlightdemon8523 Satsujinki not stronger than Nanaya🤨🤨🤨 seriously dude😑... He so easy defeated Forte a rare mage who also sealing designation even he defeated her without any wound on her body, easy killing DAA number 10 with his kid who replacing Nero Chaos and his MEODP is more powerfull than before even mystic eye killer cannot holding it anymore and the last Satsujinki mastered all Nanaya Assasionation Art when real Nananya Shiki/Tohno Shiki still only learn the basic one

@@hardlightdemon8523 basically real Nanaya Shiki as Satsujinki become god of dead for DAA them self so there is no way Satsujinki is more weak than Nanaya

@@mohdgabril4840 Satsujinki is an older and more trained version of Tohno, he is not as strong as Nanaya, who is the original personality that has all of his skills and training. Nanaya defeated a Type level opponent while dying, toyed with Arcueid and forced her to use her power as Archetype Earth to kill him, stomped Nrvnqsr while being half dead and finally easily defeated Kishima Kouma *without* his MEODP and even mocked him by saying "what, over already?" All of this surpassess Satsujinki by far. Also it was never stated anywhere that Satsujinki fully mastered the Nanaya arts. Tohno pulls all of his knowledge from Nanaya and his strength depends on how much of his Nanaya instincts he can draw out. Satsujinki is Tohno after everything that happened in Tsukihime, so he should have greater access to Nanaya's knowledge especially with his colder personality. But he isn't as strong as Nanaya unless his personality became Nanaya himself.

"is a weakling" He manage to react and kill Nero Chaos and his beast who speed is equal to a servant.How does he is a weakling?

@@overlordzero316 because he's a regular teenager? He only becomes strong when the nanaya blood takes over his instincts

@@BuruKyu I see, so you’re saying that I can go at the speed of a vampire due to being a teenager.

@@WhiteWomanSlasher Teenagers are always the most powerful beings in Japanese media anyway.

Are you comparing Ryougi to a DBZ character? That's crazy

ShenDytan Somewhat. But she’d probably lose for sure if she fought One-Above-All(Marvel Comics), even in her void form.

@@MrMM-bm5fo she literally can make anything in the fucking universe disappear

Nydes I’d like proof. Plus, I don’t want this to turn into an argument over a fictional character. And like I said, there’re characters that’re so powerful, it can’t be comprehended. We can agree to disagree, but my point still stands regardless.

@@MrMM-bm5fo why dont you want an argument? its fun, i like debating stuff, but if thats not your stuff is okay. Also, you just need to watch the movie with Void Shiki in it and you will understand. If you want me to give you exact time stamps I don't mind it but let me know.

She is physically weaker than tohno so in my opinion no

@@kojoappiah7088 The thing is though, physical stats only matter if they can overpower the abilities or if they are both physical fighters. When Shiki’s ability is to he able to instant kill any being with her eyes, physical stats matter not

@@ichizukinegs but nanaya has the same abilty to instant kill and has experience fighting people with that ability

@@kojoappiah7088 I can get really nerdy with why Shiki’s ability is infinitely stronger but most people won’t understand. So ion wanna look like a no life

@@ichizukinegs stronger dosent mean more effective, nanaya accualy has an easer time killing things than ryougi, although it would be out of character for them to kill each other

The first character that got mystic eyes of death perception

@@se1shade611 Doesn't give them the automatic W

TF is this grammar?

@@strpth414 considering he's the strongest Nanaya (which is also the strongest demon hunting family), can move so fast he's essentially teleporting, and hunts down Dead apostle ancestors destroying them with ease, I'd say he deserves the W....

@@mattf.868 I'm very aware of that. The person I was replying to was referring to Ryougi.

I personally like both.

I prefer Tohno. lol...

@@BxnnyBrideMe too

If you read tsukihime you would know that's not the case.

@@edwardso8903 if you have read Kara no Kyoukai, then you would know that is the case.

Tohno's more skilled and experienced at fighting.

@@diooverheaven4317 He's not. Tohno only learned the very basics of the Nanaya arts, while Ryougi was trained in combat since childhood. She is also more specialized in fighting head on against others and has more experience fighting human-like opponents like Tohno, while he prefers relying on assassinations and surprise attacks (which won't work on Ryougi given her sixth sense) and is better at killing non-humans (which Ryougi isn't).

@@hardlightdemon8523 tohno learnt the basic but he was naturally good at fighting. He is called the prodigy of the nanaya clan and their strongest member. Also the nanaya style is ingraved into his instincts. Shiki is able to keep up with the someone like ciel and kouma and even when he lost an arm he was still capable of going toe to toe with roa. Also, he can dodge bullets at nearly point blank range so yeah tohno is a more skilled fighter.

@@diooverheaven4317 When did Tohno dodge bullets? Because Kiri Nanaya said that nobody in the Nanaya is fast enough to avoid bullets. Anyway Ryougi has dodged an explosion that happened right next to her, so she is not inferior in the speed area. Also she was said to have the martial prowess of Nanaya: "A listless girl who who wears both Eastern and Western clothes by wearing a leather jacket on top of her kimono. A character that seems have to have taken only the best parts of two characters: Tohno Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception and Nanaya Shiki's Nanaya Techniques. Every movement is high-spec, with no opening in either her offense or defense. However, attacks that do not use either her knife or her katana deal surprisingly low damage.- Character Introduction from Tsukihime's fourth Character Popularity Poll The quote is actually talking about the Nanaya from Melty Blood, who is a hypotetical fully trained version of Tohno. And that is only normal Ryougi. When she uses her self suggestion, she turns into this: "Her most notable ability, self-suggestion, restructures her body starting from the brain to become purely for combat; her muscles act in a way unbefitting that of a living being and her blood vessels adjust themselves so that Shiki does not even have to breathe. All functions of the body needed as a "human" are removed in favor of functions needed to be a weapon. " "Shiki holding a katana is able to battle demons without the use of her Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and can even see into the future like Seo Akira."- Character Introduction from Tsukihime's fourth Character Popularity Poll.

@@hardlightdemon8523 He dodge a bullet point blank in the melty blood manga when he was fighting Sion. Also tohno is stated to be potentially the most powerful nanaya in history even more so than his father. Also nanaya Isn't a fully trained shiki, he's just shiki's fear of becoming a merciless killer. A fully trained tohno is "DEATH" or satsujinki. Also tohno is fast enough to kill roa's lightning bolt. Even if we don't use the return stroke of lightning (which is 1/3 the speed of light) it would still be moving at about 260.000 km/h (224.000 mph) and that tohno was incredibly sick from SHIKI stealing his life force.