Hey Riders I hope you like this one... sorry it was late Ive been very sick with a chest infection anyway like always if you have any questions just ask.
@samsbikes Hello Sam! 🚴♂️ First off, I hope you're on the mend and feeling a lot better after battling that pneumonia you mentioned. Your health comes first! I just caught your latest video on the Shimano EP-801, and wow, it was incredibly informative! 🌟 You managed to cover almost everything I was curious about regarding this motor. There's one piece of the puzzle, however, that seems to be on the minds of not just me but all my riding buddies, and I'm sure, a vast number of your followers too - motor efficiency. Specifically, we're eager to find out about its power consumption in watts per kilometer compared to the older Shimano EP-8. Here's why this matters to me: I own a Santa Cruz Bullit with the Shimano EP-8 and a Scott Ransom e-ride equipped with a Bosch motor. Despite the Scott Ransom being significantly heavier, and paired with a smaller battery, it astonishingly offers a longer range on identical rides. This points to a known inefficiency issue with the old EP-8. Given this context, myself and likely hundreds of thousands of your viewers are keen to know if the new EP-801 has addressed and corrected this inefficiency. It's a crucial piece of information for anyone considering an upgrade or new purchase. Thanks for all the great content, and looking forward to your insights on this! 🙏 Keep up the fantastic work! Best regards, Emil From: Dominican Republic
@@SamsBikes I'm considering buying RM Powerplay but there really is no info on how the motor works for range. Because it's like the ep8 where it gives power according to the input. And your test the problem is you need a power meter and you would need to test for something like 120 watts, 170 watts and 220 or more average watts. Because the motor gives both the best range and the worst range depending on power input. I've tried understanding it asking PP owners how they are but I will need to go test ride one. Just to let you know it's a hole that exists. But I understand you probably don't want to do 3 tests for an older motor you've already tested. Thank you.
@@rawmancemtb, are you living in Madrid, by chance? Secretspotcyclery bike boutique have an Altitude Powerplay demo bike, just in case you are interested
Hey Sam…. Awesome review…. A couple notes. You can see what mode you are in… my display shows A1, A2, and M (manual mode). There are five graduations on the battery display but strangely, if you use the eTube Ride app on the handlebars for additional info - it shows ten segments… cool. You are right about the beeping - it should be able to switch on or off… worst for me is when using eTube Ride and Spotify (any music app really), the beeps come through my earbuds and they are loud and annoying which means I have to choose between the cool battery display or the lame and loud beeping. All in all though - awesome motor and Di2 11 speed linkglide setup on my rig. This is this is the best review yet on RU-vid!!! Thanks again,
Hi Sam, I've just picked up my new Merida EOne-sixty 875 with the new Ep801. It's had the latest update including overrun, its an awesome motor, so much power. There's so much adjustability on the app, plus I've got the 750wh battery. Got my 1st enduro race next weekend and can't wait 👍
Commenting around 5:15 on cadence. That's nice to know. My normal cadence has always been around 60. I'm currently on a Giant E+ El3 and that system handles my low cadence really well, and naturally.
Another great review. I don’t know why, but every time I watch your reviews I have the feeling that if I buy that bike, I would perceive what you described.
A lot of 'entry level' emtbs are coming with the EP600. I'd love to hear how loud it is under load compared to the EP800 and the new EP801 and also how the clunk/rattle going down compares too.
@samsbikes Happy to hear you're doing better! Your Shimano EP-801 review was great, yet it left me wondering about one key aspect: battery efficiency. I have a Santa Cruz Bullit with the EP-800 and a Scott Ransom eRide with a Bosch CX4 motor. Surprisingly, despite the Scott's heavier weight and slightly smaller battery, it surpasses the Santa Cruz in range, pointing to the EP-8's inefficiency. With the EP-801 sporting a 900 Wh battery, it suggests more range, but does it actually offer better efficiency, or is it merely due to the larger battery size? Would an EP-801 with a 630 Wh battery outperform the EP-8 in terms of range? Understanding this would help determine if the EP-801 is a real upgrade or just 100 watt power with a larger battery option. Appreciate your insights and looking forward to this detail! Emil Viewer From: Dominican Republic
Hey mate thanks for the kind worlds! I hear what you’re saying and you will be happy to hear I’ll be doing the biggest ebike motor test very soon and I’ll be don’t range on all of them! So let you know soon
@@SamsBikes Hello Sam, How are you? We truly appreciate your response. The video you're planning will undoubtedly be epic. It's been around two years since we last saw a comprehensive motor comparison, and with so many new motors capturing everyone's interest, seeing them tested side by side under the same conditions will be incredibly insightful. We deeply value your contributions to the mountain bike community. Your work not only informs but also has the potential to drive innovation, capturing the attention of manufacturers and helping to improve future motors. So, thank you once again; we eagerly await this upcoming video and all your future content. If you ever find yourself in the Dominican Republic, please let me know. We have a vibrant eduro community here that would be thrilled to ride with you.
I love my Shimano EP801 powered Canyon spectral on cf8 with the 900Whr battery. I'm a big bloke and the battery easily powers some of my big rides. It loves to be spun at higher cadences with my 155mm cranks and feels so quiet and smooth. If I sit on my bike and rock it back and forwards I do get a metallic clunking sound like a big ball bearing rattling about but when I put my foot on a pedal it disappears. It's like it's coming from that horrible cable routing inside the headset but it disappears when out on the trail. I'm hoping that the sealing has improved as water ingress was a problem with the old motor.... fingers crossed the Scottish bogs don't affect it. Like you I hate the battery remaining five bar hobby, I'd much rather see a percentage symbol. I can have five bars left but used 30% of the battery life.. I can view the percentage used in the app but I don't rate the app that much as it doesn't give you the elevation gained and the completed route map is shite. Here's hoping Shimano will listen and bring about these changes.
Would be great if you could do a short deep dive on the fine tune mode. Not much out there regarding details ❤️ I am coming off Brose which is great but there’s something about this motor that’s just smoother and feels right. The Brose is more just power hard to explain.
Have you heard of any reliability issues Sam, I’ve heard that Shimano after care once the warranty is out isn’t very good and it can’t really be repaired with spares etc ? 🤷♂️
I’d try the tacky Chan if it was more affordable! I’m having a difficult time seeing why we need auto shifting but then again if you’d asked me 5 years ago if I’d be riding a motorized MTB I would have laughed!
I made a word up for that wrong gear scenario. Like when you're flying down a hill then come to a gate or tight corner and you stop nearly dead then gotoset off but realise you forget to adjust your gear's....... " arrhhh doushcog!" 😂
Great review. But it was more about the ep8 1 motor than the spectral. anyway i just got my cf-on 9 and for 5400€. i think is unbeateble. see you around mate good job !!!!
Hey, but there is one detail i cant understant yet, yeti shimano EP racing tested EP801 last year enduro races, but 2024 yeti 160e comes with xo transmision for EP801. There is something wrong with that motor that they dont even use di2 for autoshift
Hey Sam, good video but you didn’t talk about the cockpit which doesn’t appear to be stock. Did you switch it out and if so what did it entail. Most of us don’t like one piece bar and stem.
Wow. Thanks Sam 🙄. I already bought a Heckler with EP801😜. You think its worth it getting the Di2? I have AXS (not T-type) and really like the clean cockpit.
Thanks mate, yep I was very impressed with the system I would be interested in trying Di2 11 speed not sure I would be swapping over from AXS unless you want auto shifting and free shifting which would be nice to try
Hey Sam I have the Ep801 on my Propain Ekano 2 AL can I add the Di2 system to the bike and get freeshift ect? I don't see any content on RU-vid about anyone doing it and what parts you would need?!
The Shimano 600 watt rating is joke. I have an Ep801, and it isnt 20% better than the Ep8 on my sons bikes. I just picked up a used 2019 Turbo Levo for my grandson with the old Brose 2.1. The old Brose 2.1 with a 560 watt motor smokes the 2024 Ep801 everywhere. It's 560 watts just motors away from my 600 watts up any hill, and the 12 year old kid is is just loafing along while the Shimano powered riders are falling behind and it is obvious Shimano wattage is not equal to Brose wattage. If everyone in your group has a whimpy Shimano its fine, but when riders with Brose motors, or Dyname 4.0 powered bike join the group , the Shimano boys see just how soft their motors are, snd they start figuring out that it is time to get rid of the limpy Shimano and have a better Emtb experience.
@@ntallocatevirtualmemory8488 Yes i own a Bosch powered Trek Rail 9.9 and an EP801 powered Canyon spectral on cf8 so I'm in a great place to give an opinion unlike you.
