Sadly its only the EP801 that gets the update (not the older EP8 / E8000). Not sure if there's technical limitations to the EP8 (the new EP801 has some hardware changes that allow 100 extra watts, and Autoshift with their new Di2 electronic shifting). Still its a solid update and good to see Shimano progress their current EP801 motor.
That's a disappointment, new to the ebikes. Just got a new Orbea Rise H10 6 months ago and it's a bit frustrating to see an update like this not available for my 6 month old bike but that's the way it goes I guess. I won't be running out to upgrade anytime soon unless the Pinion bikes come to Canada soon.
My first e-bike was a Commencal Meta Power SX Race. I did about 3,000km on it and then sold it for 2 main reasons. 1) I decided I don’t like ultra long/low/slack bikes. They handle like a bus. 2) The Shimano EP8 was a frustrating motor. It cuts out so easily if you pedal too fast e.g. imagine you are going down a hill and you know that the trail is about to start going up so you shift down a few gears in preparation for the climb. You pedal hard and fast, maybe 120+ rpm to try to maintain you speed but the motor just cuts out because it’s above the cutoff rpm for the motor so you quickly slow down and then when your cadence is below the cutoff rpm, the motor cuts back in but far too slowly so you have lost all of your momentum. It was a huge pain in the butt and when I demoed a Bosch Gen 4 I was blown away at how powerful and unrestrictive it felt. I sold the Commencal and bought a Mondraker Crafty R with Bosch Gen 4 and 2 years later I still absolutely love it. Fantastic all mountain/enduro bike that still handles like a trail bike when you’re on the twisties. Love it. It would take A LOT of convincing to get me to buy another Shimano motor. Also an aside, the Shimano motor stopped working one day. No obvious reason and the shop couldn’t work out why it stopped working so they replaced it. It was fine the day before and then just wouldn’t turn on the next day so reliability is questionable.
@@gazbuck73 I believe it can but you have to replace everything including the cables, connectors and battery. So I've been lead to believe. Quite expensive probably. I have the same heckler btw.
Rob, the expectations are very low if you think that they could have released this as a new engine, just because of this update. These bikes are big investments, how can we normalize them coming up with a new engine every year or two, just because of some updates? What they did to the EP8, and how fast they abandoned it, should not be accepted as the norm.
Bosch released the Race motor as a new engine which is very similar but has the Race Mode (technically a software update). I also agree with you on new engines and standards, which is why I made this video: We Have A Huge Problem With Ebikes.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PN505EbwWT0.html
@@RobRidesEMTB Haven't seen it before, but very good video, Rob. I'm not following all the moves and updates in the eMTB world very closely, but after updating myself a bit on the situation now, it's very disappointing that the bike I bought only one year and a half ago, with an EP8, for a lot of money, is already being left behind. Also who knows for how long we'll have spare parts, if things are so incompatible from one generation to the next.
Nothing for the EP8? That's just great Shimano...really NOT GREAT. Only sold hundreds of thousands of these motors and I have 3. This is why this spring I bought a Trek Rail with the Bosch motor. Do the fix for the EP8.
This planned obsolescence is incredibly frustrating. My bike is less than a year old and has the ep8. 3-4 months after purchase the 801 was released. I have been told when the motor wears out, which it will and I accept that as part of ebike ownership, the 801 doesn’t fit ep8 mounting bolt pattern. So I have to throw my 8K bike away and buy a new one?
There are any number of e-bike motor refurbishment companies who can keep your EP8 motor running, just like there are any number of garages who can maintain older car engines even if the manufacturer releases a new model.
Polini are leading the way with totally DIY serviceable motors, every part available to order from their website. Such a shame they are not widely available in the UK. I think it's only in Fulgur bikes at the moment.
My E8000 is ok.... The 2020 Norco vlt frame sits great with me.... To make an upgrade with newer Shimano EP801 system, given knowledge firstly determining Norco's frame spacing given the 801s motors directions to connect the cabling, room required to neatly close to then tighten up bolts...
How is pfaffing around with the restricted speed a feature? In NZ we end up having to deal with this stupidity, even though we don't have any imposed speed restrictions for bikes.
Seems to be a huge upgrade, I'm sorry that EP8 (DU-EP800) is not also updated with some of these features. EP8 (DU-EP800) is on my new Cannondale Moterra Neo 4 don't see it as an old motor.
Sounds like a great update & if it puts it on a par with the Bosch cx race motor which is only available on the most expensive bikes. Bosch will need to counter this to remain ahead. Whats the betting that bosch offer race motor software very soon. I not sure that your local bike shop will be keen to update your bike for free unless you bought it from them ,so expect £30 labour charge. Your local small bike retailer they cant work for free.
Amazing news man thanks for the update.. Just updated my bike.. Unfortunately we will have to wait for the update to get pushed to the next version on the E-tube Cyclist Ap to be able to adjust. Currently the ap is 5.3.2. Features will be on the next version. Currently only available on the Pro ap that is for PC desktop only.. This is what the bike shop would use for repair and diagnostics.. Either way super cool, can't wait to test it out soon. Cheers
I’m looking for a eMTB for riding light trails and roads here in the NJ and NYC area but unfortunately the Shimanos assist up to only 20MPH meanwhile the Brose 2.2 from Specialize go up to 28MPH - was looking at a NORCO but the Shimano Motor is a major set back for me- would like to cruise in the low 20s MPH when on flat road
The Overrun assist doesn't work! I Installed all the updates, did a quick spin. No noticeable difference. Power is more in Boost, yes, but you cant adjust overrun as the ETUBE app for phones. It doesn't give you the option! Only the app for shops "pro". So Shimano out of the gate too soon... Little point to this update if you don't put it immediately in the hands of the users. Rob you should have called this out in my opinion as a problem.... When is the cyclist app update available? More than version 5.3.2.... Should be immediately. Otherwise i have to go to the shimano shop tomorrow and find out from them how to make it work better as overrun in standard mode is not up to Bosch level in standard mode.
@@davemcbeard So all the other motor companies allow you to make small changes on the go. This update can only be modified in a shop to adjust the slider.... hmmm . Basically its not an update if you cant actually use it. I would suggest its been released prematurely in time for the new Bosch motor coming in july.
@@alexbiketesterit will get released to masses in autumn (what I have read so far). It is a bit annoying and idk why they don’t release it to masses. Maybe they are trying to iron out possible issues and get feedback from those who get it updated through their Shimano dealers.
I agree entirely. It's a token gesture to appear competitive but in reality it's not very useful. I'm really glad I chose a bike with a Bosch motor, everything I read about Shimano motors made them sound like they were way behind the other manufacturers.
Unfortunately we that have the Old "new" EP800 (8 months in my new bike) don't have access to s simple function as "assist carry over function", that would improve a lot the way to handle the EP800 in hard conditions terrain, but I'm the guilty one by trusting in Shimano and by a bicycle with EP800.
I've just updated my shimano e6100 motor and comfort mode now feels like how sports mode used to feel but with even more kick and I've not actually tried it in sports mode yet as I didn't have my phone app on me but well-done shimano well-done 😄👌
Everone here is talking about the EP801 update (and kinda complaining its not more widely compatible). I'm actually considering an EP6rs, and I gather the update would be fairly different for the 6x series. Could you please elaborate specifically what model you have, what you did, and what capabilities it brings (adjustable overrun etc). To have some of these features, with warranty support, could change the game!
They are ruining their reputation by not doing this, I got the code come up e010 & the shop can't fix it & if I want it fixed I have to buy a new motor for £920 fitted, it disgust me that there's a fault that if found would probably cost less than a hundred pounds to fix but it's far more profitable for shimano to sell you a new motor, which makes the customer feel like there being coned, so for that reason I am now moving over to a bosch cx.
Can EP801 RS Motor also support 85nm? I know its not officially sopported, but is there a way? Are the EP801 RS Motor and EP801 RS Gen.2 Motor just different in the software?
Thanks for the update Rob. But it’s a hard no from me for any bike that uses a shinano motor. For a Japanese company they have a terrible practice of not selling any spare parts and you can’t get them repaired from anywhere. You can get spare parts for Yamaha, Bosch, brose so no excuse.
They are ruining their reputation by not doing this, I got the code come up e010 & the shop can't fix it & if I want it fixed I have to buy a new motor for £920 fitted, it disgust me that there's a fault that if found would probably cost less than a hundred pounds to fix but it's far more profitable for shimano to sell you a new motor, which makes the customer feel like there being coned, so for that reason I am now moving over to a bosch cx.
@@clintharper5509 Sadly this is a common occurrence with shamans motors. They are treating them as disposable which is terrible for the environment and the end user who gets left with a large bill. I hope bike builders / frame manufacturers stop using them until they sort out this bad practice.
Having had my EP8 RS motor replaced in my Rise once, 7 weeks out of warranty (luckily my LBS complained to supplier so it was replaced FOC as they initially wanted to charge me 100% replacement cost!), I doubt my next bike will have a Shimano motor. The motors that have failed the most often with all my riding buddies were all made by Shimano. Some have had 4+ motors replaced. Bosch and Brose (Specialized) not so much, by a long way! It's reliability and serviceability/repairability that will influence my next purchase when the time comes, and it won't be Shimano unless they really up their game in both aspects.
I had my local shop instal this new update on my Canyon Spectral CF8 with the 801 motor. Today and I went for a ride and my motor skips every 3/4 pedal rotations. Feels like a chain skipping over and over. I bought my bike brand new from Canyon on July 9th. Today is July 13th. I have gone on 3 short rides and motor is already not working properly.
Motors need a bluetooth enabled heart rate mode. Boost reacts to put you in a target heart rate zone. Below zone... less boost... above zone, moar boost.
I made this update to 4.3 in the EP6 of my e-bike OGGI Potenza Sport. I had hope the limit was update to 45km/h (27.9 MPH). But no success. Some new OGGI Forza model are coming with a EP6 with this new velocity to 45. I do not know why my Potenza do not has this update.
Shimano dont even has ep801 motor in stock nor di2 to Supply on their bikes. I own a ep800 and now i see the new bikes with shimano ep801 carrying sram t type transmision instead of their own di2
Doesn't make much difference if it's in the bike shop broken down again. Should put a bit more effort in making them more reliable IMO. Yet another tuber not calling them out on it.
Can you turn off the over run? I think overrun makes the bike feel unnatural and hard to handle in tight tech. Hard pass on over run - I'm not racing, I'm riding - and over run is not needed or wanted in my book.
Me personally I wouldn’t touch a bike with a shamino motor in it, I know riders with numerous motors replaced over 1/2 year period. The plus side is their customer service is good at replacing
Cool now give me a longer warranty. My ep801 motor broke at 1000 miles and tbh it scares me once my motor is out of warranty next year. Imo these motors should have a guarantee of say 5000 miles. Basically 3/5 years of coverage. My shimano v2 battery has a guarantee of 1000 hours before it starts to lose power. Meaning that my battery should last 10k miles why can’t this be the same for the motor.
👍YES, interesting info, thanks Rob😊👏👏👏 Now Shimano is back in Race, when they have the Over Run/Extended Assist and of course more peek power. Slowly reducing the power after you stop pedaling is very nice. The only thing The havevto take care of is the display and put it in the frame like every other bike brands😂. Is this latest EP801 engine anything you can by and put in your for example Orber Rise RS🤔, it would be nice to get my hand on one motor like this😂
Hopefully all the other brands can up the game with software updates to the actual motors. Unlike Giant who just keep uodating bluetooth and nothing else, then brick the bikes.
One thing which means I will never buy another Shimano motor: E10 … every single person I know eventually gets this error code and it’s basically a death sentence for the motor.
They are ruining their reputation by not doing this, I got the code come up e010 & the shop can't fix it & if I want it fixed I have to buy a new motor for £920 fitted, it disgust me that there's a fault that if found would probably cost less than a hundred pounds to fix but it's far more profitable for shimano to sell you a new motor, which makes the customer feel like there being coned, so for that reason I am now moving over to a bosch cx.
Unfortunately it still doesn’t show power as bosch motors do. I’m pretty sure the motors have the sensors, therefore it’s just a matter of software. Big missed opportunity in my opinion.
I have the Giant Reign E+ 2023 and you can adjust the "Assit" , "Torque" and "Launch" at every level. (Yamaha has 5). It gives me 400% assist and does have overrun. (If the front sprocket keeps going for a second after you stop pedalling is overrun). I think it is already updated as far as those issues. The only update for the sychdrive pro I would like is the automatic mode which lags a bit.
Wow! I’m surprised at the overwhelmingly negative response in the comments on this video. I for one am super stoked for this update. A lot of people weren’t even considering bikes unless they had the Bosch motor now there’s a much more level playing field when it comes to motor response. It’s probably easier for me to be positive as this directly improves the Ari Timp Peak that I ordered on Monday and anxiously await receiving.
There's a lot of bitterness from the EP8 as people who bought it really got screwed as they bought the worst motor with least power and range. And the problem with this update is they've blundered the overrun. Backpedaling canceling the overrun means it's still inferior to what Bosch motor's have been for the past 3 years.
@@stuka78 How does Yamaha compare? I've only ridden it indoors so can't really tell. But Yamaha had a slow start and then a strong pull in the middle from my experiment.
How does the battery efficiency compare to the Bosch system? I have two e-bikes, one with a Bosch GEN 4 motor and one with a Shimano EP8 motor, and I consistently get more kilometers per watt with the Bosch system. I hope this update can somehow make the Shimano EP801 more efficient in terms of energy use. I have hesitated to buy a bike with an EP801 because of this.
Just did the firmware update for my 801. Now both firmware and phone app are up to date. How come I can't find the carry over and cut-off functions anywhere?
Shimano dragging their heals once again, they're almost providing everything Bosch already does. They're only doing this because their competitors are bulling them into it, if they had they're way it would be a new model, with a slightly different mounting and it wouldn't be out for another 18 months.
@3.50 in. Its not dangerous that theres no overrun its dangerous thst you are used to overrun. Go buy a motorbike if you don't want to put any work in!
Dont understand why we still have a mandated 20mph limit in our EMTBs... to run them in the MOUNTAIN. For me is one of the most obstrusive and awkward feelings of running a (restricted) EMTB. Riders in ACOUSTIC bikes can easily pedal upwards towards 30mph in fireroads or speed sections in the trails. Why bother restricting our EMTBs? If they are going to be used in the MOUNTAIN, let US run without restriction.
@@mq1506 😢 shame on Shimano for not supporting owners with previous gen EP8. So happy with my Levo Carbon Comp Brose motor. I’m so happy with Specialized support. I have an EP8 bike and don’t ser myself purchasing another bike with Shimano motors.
As an owner of two emtb's, Bosch CX , and fazua ride 60, would be nice if Bosch hadn't just forgotten about the CX performance motor, there hasn't been any updates on the non smart system for a while, I guess all they care about is you upgrading to newer tech every 6 months, very disappointing Bosch.
in your slo-mo vids you can see the chainsuck at the chainring from the huge wear of a derailleur system. This wear (shimano itself in his dealer seminars claims a lifetime of 300km for a 12g chain) is the biggest reason to never buy a derailleur-driven ebike. Pinion goes the right way with its MGU.
With a ep801 motor you need the electric di2 shifter, di2 Derailleur, and linkglide 11 speed to get auto shifting. I have it on my Ari Temp Peak. It took some time to dial in the settings with all the options, but it now works incredibly well. Excited to see how this update improves things further. I still manually shift about 1/5 of the time while in auto shift mode, but autoshift with an occasional manual shift to finetune the ride experience works out well for me.
GREAT! Now it will break even faster! Unless it has a 50000km warranty... NO. Actually... not even then. You would need to replace the motor 5 times at least.
So, a lifetime warranty? This isn’t a car, dude. A 2000-3000 mile 3 year warranty is more realistic. You could also just ride an acoustic if you have a problem with e-bike reliability.
@@dkumagai302-3000 miles is NOTHING for bikes that cost like cars. Bosch CX Gen2 can last 50000km and more if you keep the bearings dry and/or replace them in time. 150€ repair kit. Pretty easy to do too. Polini for example sells every single part for their motor and you can service it yourself. It is also made to handle 45km/h. Oli motors are super silent and built like tanks too. Why would anyone buy a Shimano motor if these alternatives exist? LOVE Shimano components (use them exclusively on all my bikes), but their motor is a bad joke for people who actually use their bikes.
@@WeMakeLaw I’d like to see any bike last 50k km. You’re not being realistic, these are tiny motors being asked to propel (generally) overweight mountain bikers up 5-10% grades. It’s really no wonder they break with moderate frequency. Furthermore you would never get anywhere near the charge cycles out of a lithium chemistry battery to make it to 50k km. If the battery is integrated, you have to chuck the bike at a couple hundred deep cycles maximum. Bikes are largely consumable products, and e-bikes are bikes with consumable power plants. Yes, they’re expensive, but that doesn’t mean they should last longer than a mechanical equivalent. In fact, they generally don’t.
@@dkumagai30nick sander just finished his world tour on a Yamaha e-bike, 30k km without issues, without maintenance, from desert to Himalaya, from city to outback… motors are sold maintenance-free
They are ruining their reputation by not doing this, I got the code come up e010 & the shop can't fix it & if I want it fixed I have to buy a new motor for £920 fitted, it disgust me that there's a fault that if found would probably cost less than a hundred pounds to fix but it's far more profitable for shimano to sell you a new motor, which makes the customer feel like there being coned, so for that reason I am now moving over to a bosch cx.
Hold on a minute @3.52 in. You're saying its quite dangerous that the shimano doesn't have overrun. No! Its dangerous that you got used to the bosch overrun. Shimano is more real, you're getting carried away and forgetting what mtb is about, you want overun.... go get a ktm! I have no problem with trying to get up and over and across obstacles and failing. That's mtb life. Constantly wanting more power, more overrun youre forgetting your roots, you want it to be so easy that you destroy the fun in trying and failing untill you succeed! The same goes for this new Dji motor. It's a ridiculous amount of power, and now another company will aim to beat that motor..... and where does it end. It ends with every man and dog just sat on a bike not pedal hitting 1 in 3 climbs while guzzling monster energy, shouting loser to anybody that dare to pedal a bike! So so so sad how this industry is going, and you rob will make a video about anything just to keep your videos relevant because its your job now! 🤮
Shimano playing catch up. It's just not the power that's the issue it's been the perceived reliability, If you follow the Shimano owners page you'll hear about contasnt failures. The EP801 now promises the world so let's see what happens
What the hell first complaints that the motors don’t feel natural . Then we bitch we don’t have enough power. I have 2 SHIMANO E7000 motors for a few years now without a lick of problems.60 newton meters plenty for a more natural ride. Want overrun buy a motorcycle.
