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Shimano Steps 6000 worn out due to not replaceable plastic gears 

Michael Kroese
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Please like and Subscribe! My experience with electric bike motor from Shimano Steps. Worn out after 12000 km. 7500 miles.
Sorry i don't use the right word for Worn sorry!
Wired = Worn

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@jlt7438
@jlt7438 4 года назад
I really appreciate that you opened the motor and showed what is inside....Nylon..This is good information, Thank you very much.
@stamK.
@stamK. 4 года назад
Most ebike motors use plastic. Lighter, strong, cheap. It would probably last more than 3x times that if it was in its original state (no chip)
@MehemLED
@MehemLED 11 месяцев назад
​@@stamK.I have Steps with almost 20000km, still working, no chip, it's stock up to 25km/h
@Steve-rp1jk
@Steve-rp1jk 3 года назад
Thanks for putting this video up. This also happened to my du-e6001 motor. The problem is a bit more complicated than meets the eye. The bearing in the middle of the black plastic cog is a one way clutch bearing (NSK FCB-12), it only allows rotation in one direction. When the motor engages, it's pinion drives this black plastic cog which in turns locks the bearing and this grips the cog's axle shaft which drives the main chainring cog. This means the bearing is transferring power from the cog to it's axle shaft. The bearing is somehow tightly embedded into the cog, I was not able to remove it even after hammering the bearing. I'm not sure how it is seated into the cog. So 3D printing or even milling a new cog might not work as the bearing will not be seated tight enough inside the new cog. I'm currently trying to repair the stripped teeth using something like JB weld, but not sure if it will be strong enough.
@Link4878
@Link4878 3 года назад
Wouldnt it be possible to 3d print one?
@criticalmassyyj
@criticalmassyyj Год назад
perfect application for 3d printing. just need to the tooth pitch, angle, and tooth count.
@yvesphysiquefourcade6766
@yvesphysiquefourcade6766 4 года назад
Very useful video. I have a noise in my motor when I push hard on the pedal, so maybe I should use it more quietly ...
@marcberg1762
@marcberg1762 6 месяцев назад
Very smart, doing a chip tuning without updating the hardware 🥴🥹
@edvardfranke
@edvardfranke Год назад
Thx 🙏 This is what I will see in my one too, if not get stolen.
@villadsengel
@villadsengel 3 года назад
Also had this engine that died last summer after 6.000 km. No tuning of any kind though. And it also cost me a new engine. A shame there’s no spares, even unoriginal ones.
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 3 года назад
I had the feeling that it did not matter that I had tun it when your engine without tuning has already worn up at only 6000 km. Yes, and it's not OK that you can not get spare parts and just must throw it out :-(
@youmitiaminourakeeperofair
@youmitiaminourakeeperofair 4 года назад
Hey. Say that on the motor diagram you can disconnect or drop out so that the speed is more than 25 km per hour.
@seakayak4425
@seakayak4425 4 года назад
same problem with the 8000 after 4.6 thousand miles,bosch may be better for spares
@klisurski
@klisurski Год назад
12k on a tuned Shimano is really good. My e7000 non-tuned broke its plastic cog near the shaft after just 800km. Luckily a shop rebuilt it on a lathe for 100euro
@anteronoid1
@anteronoid1 Год назад
Hi, what kind of shop and how did they reattach the bearing?
@bertieballs
@bertieballs Год назад
Shimano warranty technician here, if it's only done 800km why did'nt you just get the shop to do a warranty exchange and if it was out of warranty and you are the original owner we can do up to a 50 % discount on a new motor?
@klisurski
@klisurski Год назад
@@bertieballs 1. This is what I did-I went to the official Shimano repait shop nearby and even asked if some part of the new motor would be covere by the warranty , but wasn't offered any discount for the replacement motor 2. If they had replaced it with the same motor I'd still expect to have the same problem after another 800km, as the cog would snap the same way eventually. It just has weak spot near its axis by design 3. 100Euro for rebuilding it was definitely cheaper than a 50% off-priced motor
@escapegoat3472
@escapegoat3472 8 месяцев назад
How did you open the case? I removed the screws but it's pretty firmly closed. Is it glued?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 8 месяцев назад
It is (glue) seal
@dazbrugernavn
@dazbrugernavn 2 года назад
Hvad endte du med at gøre? Jeg har overvejet en Thansen cykel med e6100 også bare smide en speedbox på den. Hvad var din topfart etc. ?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 2 года назад
Jeg købte en helt ny motor i Kina for 2500 kr. og må acceptere at den nok kun holder de her 12000 km. Top farten er næsten 50 km/t. men nu kører jeg kun norm speed med high i håb om den holder længere.
@dazbrugernavn
@dazbrugernavn 2 года назад
@@MichaelKroese det er også for vildt de ikke sælger stumper løst til dem :(. Men du har ellers været glad for den? Hvilken cykel har du?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 2 года назад
@@dazbrugernavn Ja jeg har været super glad for min el cykel. Det er en White el cykel fra XXL 🙂
@HansKeesom
@HansKeesom 4 месяца назад
Just had mine replaced after 26000 km, but lots of them on own steam. Did ask for the old motor to be given to me And now I see this video! The repair by a bikeshop was 995 euro including work Do you have a recording of the sound it made?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 месяца назад
No, I didn't record the sound.
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 месяца назад
I bought mine in China for 340 Euro, but it's probably not possible anymore.
@HansKeesom
@HansKeesom 4 месяца назад
@@MichaelKroese 98 eur isntallation work, the rest just the Du-6002 yeah, should have ordered one myself elsewhere and save a few euro’s o well hinsight
@maozedung7270
@maozedung7270 2 года назад
Of course when you tune it , it will be worn out faster. My engine makes now 30.000km without any problem. But I had to change once the Shimano ALFINE Di2 SG-S7051 in the rear wheel
@lars-erikolsen3183
@lars-erikolsen3183 Год назад
My e6000 crashed today aswell, five years and about 6000km. Most of them comuting, on "high" and pedal as hard as I can😏
@phuonghuynh2898
@phuonghuynh2898 2 года назад
Does this mean that you can’t use the your bike like an ordinary bike anymore, if the motor isn’t repairable?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 2 года назад
Yes, but had to buy a new engine. Luckily I got hold of one in China for a reasonable price
@westreambrusselsstreamingc9362
@westreambrusselsstreamingc9362 2 года назад
Hi Michael ! Could you please share the 3D plan of the broken gear? I would like to print one with different plastic. Thank you !
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 2 года назад
I do not have a 3d plan of the gear, but if some have, then I am also interested
@pchaw9
@pchaw9 2 года назад
@@MichaelKroese I would be interested in designing a replacement if you can provide some accurate measurements.
@BC-th7wh
@BC-th7wh Год назад
@@pchaw9 sory did you make 3d plan forc that gear ?
@mr.b6789
@mr.b6789 10 месяцев назад
You can use photogrammetry to scan the original cog, by taking lots of pictures from different corners. Then let a computer program like 3DF Zephyr make a 3d model of those pictures. That model will not be accurate, but with 3d Blender one can make a 3d model that will "fit" the 3d scanned model. Then you can print a new cog.
@trevornugent9680
@trevornugent9680 4 года назад
Great video! Thanks !
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 года назад
you're welcome
@asassasasa3233
@asassasasa3233 11 месяцев назад
Tork?
@adamast78
@adamast78 4 года назад
Today the wheel inside of my motor is broken also. Badassbox. Like you i have driven it for 2,5 years but more than 12000 km. You've got some replacement?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 года назад
Failed to get any spare part. Shimano does not supply spare parts for their engine, so I had to buy a new engine.
@adamast78
@adamast78 4 года назад
@@MichaelKroese dont you look for CNC milling?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 года назад
@@adamast78 No, do you have some good ideas. I've had a friend print one, but I can't get it strong enough.
@adamast78
@adamast78 4 года назад
@@MichaelKroese you have to find the right degree of hardness. Just look forward
@tarnmonath
@tarnmonath 4 года назад
I suppose that must be the price you pay for thrashing the motor outside of its design capabilities. I do think it a shame that you can't get a new cog, though.
@HauntingHistoryStories
@HauntingHistoryStories 3 года назад
Actually in the US they are limited to what a speedbox chip would give you so its just a matter of bad design.
@jamesdewer
@jamesdewer 4 года назад
Danke you must ride the hell out of that thing. My wife has the same bike. You opened my eye to the lack of options to upgrade.How did you defeat the 28kph manadate? Thank you for the update! 12,000,000 meters. Hardly I think anything to complain about.
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 4 года назад
I bought a chip tuning in Germany
@2marekm2
@2marekm2 8 месяцев назад
Why doesn't Shimano sell parts for its engines? If the pedal pressure sensor breaks down, the engine will be thrown away after warranty.
@glock888
@glock888 3 месяца назад
on purpose to earn more money awcorse,that guy had to buy whole engine again instead of 5$ plastic wheel.eco friendly+capitalism is not possible
@olivers9964
@olivers9964 5 лет назад
hei sann , hva slags tuning har du brukt. ?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 5 лет назад
SpeedBox1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ye-rJKGvsbQ.html
@UmutUcler
@UmutUcler 4 года назад
You could try to make a 3d printed spare part. Can be made in many different materials, even metals etc.
@yvesphysiquefourcade6766
@yvesphysiquefourcade6766 4 года назад
Can you tell us more about the plastic you can use in this printer, so that it is strong enough ?
@UmutUcler
@UmutUcler 4 года назад
Here's a list of different type of materials www.cmac.com.au/blog/top-10-materials-used-industrial-3d-printing You can have it made in strong materials from www.shapeways.com if you don't have access to a 3d printer.
@MrBazsi888
@MrBazsi888 4 года назад
which motor would you buy ? i need to chip. 25kmh is a joke.
@tarnmonath
@tarnmonath 4 года назад
It's not a maximum speed for the bike. It's the maximum speed that the motor will give assistance for. That's the price you pay for not having to have a licence.
@maozedung7270
@maozedung7270 2 года назад
Its no joke it by law here. Because you should not run 45 between other bycicles going 16kmh. You are a danger for them! Buy a Kawasaki H3 when you want to be fast!
@MrBazsi888
@MrBazsi888 2 года назад
@@maozedung7270 25kmh is too low. 45 a bit overkill for bike road usage. 35kmh would be nice, assisted.
@bmccameron7642
@bmccameron7642 3 года назад
3D print one perhaps?
@exvitermini
@exvitermini 4 года назад
If you dont like the reliability of the tampered shimano, you can always buy a bosch motor, have worse reliability straight out of the box. Sounds like a good deal 😂
@carlose6010
@carlose6010 3 года назад
The Bosch e bike motors are the most durable in the ebike world.. atleast their cx model stands out far above in terms of reliability.
@tcrysty595
@tcrysty595 3 года назад
12000!? after this nice km number go for a new one :))) ... try the Bosch to see that after 5000km is finished :)
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 3 года назад
Thanks for the tip :-) I have bought the same engine again as I can not mount another on the bike. I hope at some point I can get a new gear printed :-)
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 3 года назад
The warranty has expired and the gears are worn thin in the teeth on the gears and eventually the teeth are broken
@visi33
@visi33 3 года назад
Can you show how to install the chip tuning on this model?
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hiAtno5o090.html
@siderov777
@siderov777 5 месяцев назад
Fuc*ing hell. How is possible a plastic weel inside the motor. My shimano bike is with motoe Shimano E6100 is it also with plastic parts hahahahahahaha but makes noise I mean norma as electric engine makes it. Thank you for the video sir. Could you help me to downgrade my firmware from 4.7.7 to 4.5.0 please
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 5 месяцев назад
No unfortunately I can't find any option to connect to computer. I have had to pay the bike shops to reprogram it.
@ladyshaw0698
@ladyshaw0698 2 года назад
Need a 3D printer
@CIMontemor
@CIMontemor 11 месяцев назад
mais um... aos 40000km....
@johjohjones8249
@johjohjones8249 3 года назад
Cud u not 3D print it mate
@MichaelKroese
@MichaelKroese 3 года назад
I hope at some point I can get a new gear printed :-)
@johnmadden9613
@johnmadden9613 3 года назад
@@MichaelKroese 3D printing is inadviseable for this kind of high performance part, but I imagine that if someone took the time to model the gear, then it would be easy to get it milled from ABS. Alternatively, if you want to use 3D printing, you would be able to use the print to create a mold, into which you would pour a suitable resin (FEPshop - Functional Resin seems like a valid choice, but I only skimmed). Then you would have gears that need some minimal manual polishing before being ready to be slotted in!
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