SHOCKING Irish WAR Movie: Reaction to The Wind That Shakes The Barley 

I'm the Curragh we were taught this daily be a vulture a weapon is no use to a dead man I can tell you've served yeah I'll sub we gotta support one another comrade ❤

And the longest standing revolution against the British for that matter!

The Turkish war of independence is also really impressive due to the fact that they were able to raise an army right after they lost in ww1.

@@tommiiii455 oh wow, gotta look in to that

@@tommiiii455 particularly as the Turks are an Asiatic tribe that began the invasion Anatolia (Modern Turkey) around 1100. The Turkish war of independence resulted in the Greeks being massacred and finally driven out of the country they had occupied for 5000 years - pretty much the beginning recorded history.

Certain people don't like to teach or acknowledge that part of history.

Tzun zu tactics

The Auxies were cold, tired, hungry. They had been riding around in November all day in open trucks without adequate clothing.(Try It, it will educate you for sure)They should have known better than be caught like that using the same route as battle hardened men. They should also have known The IRA never ambushed,lest the odds were heavily in their favour. At Kilmichael Two to one,at least.

​@@philiprufus4427The citizens militia was cold, tired, and hungry too, they had marched in overnight in the rain, and hid for 8 hours enduring a frost until their enemy showed up. They were untrained and not particularly well-armed. What a testament to good leadership, organization, planning and the incredible motivating power of the struggle against injustice.

@@larryalvares1369 Wasn't it a small hill on one side of the road and a field on the other? That's how I knew it, not 100% sure. Also, U shaped ambushes can be performed in flat terrain too, it's just very risky. A disciplined army could pull it off safely by assigning well defined sectors of fire. A militia could just start shooting. Both instances might be successful. There was a recording of Chechen fighters doing just that against a Russian convoy, which they wiped out to the last man in about a minute. There's a documentary about it on RU-vid. The Russians call it "Horseshoe ambush" and it was stated that their forces don't use it because the risk is too high but that it can be very effective.

@@daniels0376 I think so

Memoirs and personal accounts are always problematic in many ways. They are often hard to verify, unless there are other sources to compare with. It is hard to tell an event from memory many decades after correctly. One also have to consider the reasons for telling the story.

There’s also that Revisionist political agenda based in Irish academia though, which has desperately been trying to depict Tom Barry as a “political serial killer” and other nonsense. As a part of that campaign the historian Peter Hart claimed to have interviewed eyewitnesses who had been dead for years. 🤣

@@hmmmmm6243 Being descended from Cork and Kerry folk who knew and were related to the men here, my own grandmother as a teenager even smuggling guns for the Republicans, I note that Hart is at least an Anglo-Irish name and one most often associated with Protestants. The Revisionist historians of the last half century or so in Ireland, normally based in Dublin or the UK, seem to be pursuing the British political agdnda or that of Continental socialism. Irish nationalism, especially from those primitive types in the South and West, is to be deplored. They don't seem to draw the line at falsifying documents either, which may account for some of the minor discrepancies of Barry's account of the Macroom ambush and other actions. It's not like the Flying Columns had the luxury of unit diaries and detailed after action reports. The reports back to Michael Collins in Dublin had to be short and concise and often verbal to avoid British interception. Since Collins was from this area he probably didn't need more than that from Barry. After the Revolution came the Civil War and several years of unrest before things started to calm down and memoirs be written. Any investigator or lawyer would be suspicious of accounts that didn't have minor variations. In short, don't necessarily trust your college professor.

@@brianmccarthy5557 my grandad was first cousin of Kevin Barry and I have harts as relations. Only a bullshit story changes. All lies surrounding Collins. He was a fukin traitor as are all TDs in the dail today and always have been. Working for the Vatican trust.filthy dirty bastards. Controlled opposition. I could write some stories but RU-vid hates truth. Trust no one. Educate yourselves.you would see what I know.

@@iersejounge Only a bullshit story changes? i don't think so! being asked again and again over time it seems inevitable differences will creep in. People will say "you must have seen X doing Y" - that gives you the possibility of either false memory or the implication that you don't remember, or that you lie.

You could write that on Cecil Guthrie's gravestone ! I'm sure any descendants would love it.

Real Irish Soldiers !

OAK 💪

Is that a german Mauser in 3:26

I feel like the german Mauser in 12:38 is a kar98k

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I shot. Chris Reilly. In the heart. That was powerful stuff

100% there is a lot of downplaying of the role of British veterans for political reasons

@@vanpallandt5799 well you'd think if you have common sense you can tell when something is wrong with history.

@@on-jo7716 i dont live in Ireland but its a comment read written by Irish historians

@@vanpallandt5799 I'm talking about how people can't tell that the movie is clearly going to be politically viewed by the people who won the battle as their point of view and not the British point of view. Because that's how it works like world war 2 everyone in America has mainly just American movies about how Americans are so great and did so much for the war when they only fought in the western front in 1944ish to 1945ish era and no one cares about the pacific campaign because Americans took heavy casualties and lost a lot in those battles and stuff. That's my example like just saying that the winners write history in their own views and ways and if someone thinks against that they are in the wrong like I know people who call the blacks and tans song racist even though they never even knew the song was about the Black and Tan uniforms. And stuff

@@on-jo7716while I generally agree with you about victors writing history this movie was directed by an Englishman Ken Loach with a long history of anti establishment movies. He is equally passionate about matters in Britain he does not understand either and as a critic noted in this one he omitted to provide each British participants with horns. The script and storyline are by an equally left wing Scotsman and in some aspects it's about as historically accurate as Braveheart. As an example the hero wants nothing to do with the "armed struggle" until he sees some British soldiers beating up an elderly railwayman. He had refused to drive a troop train in accordance with a trade union boycott of moving military stores in equipment. This incident is almost certainly fabricated but the IRA method of enforcing the boycott was far more direct. They sent three men into the head offices of the Dublin and South Eastern Railway and a couple of heavy calibre bullets took most of the chairman's head off. He was a man of 61 and a leading member of Dublin society - I wonder what spin Ken Loach would have put on that?.

Different war, in a way. The Irish War of Independence was fought immediately after WWI. The ambush shown here was in Cork and the Irish involved were from Cork, Kerry and Tipperary. All of these are in Munster not Ulster. A half century separates the two conflicts.

So where you from? Iraq? Iran? If so, then hello from the US! :D

@@matt815 ?? I'm from Ireland but uh hai 👋

@@cathanmccann1769 Oh Ireland, didn't know but again hello. :D

@@matt815 bruh

@@racing-with-ryan-gamer what?

Try riding around in an open truck in winter all day,without proper clothing.Then have some yahoo shoot at you with his pals when you are cold,tired and miserable and far from home having just been through a horrific war. Exciting Eh ?

In the video ‘Coiscéimeanna - Luíochán Chill Mhichíl (The Kilmichael Ambush)’ (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIIveJreejA.html) Michael O’Brien of Ballynacarriga (son of Paddy O’Brien, one of the Volunteers in the action, from whom Tom Barry borrowed the iniform) explains at 22:47 that the uniform had originally belonged to a British colonel, but had been altered to a Volunteer uniform.

Apologies and correction: having now read Paddy O'Brien's Bureau of Military History witness statement, I realise that though he had taken the uniform from Colonel Kirkwood while raiding for arms, it was indeed a Volunteer officer's uniform. He wrote: 'We took this, though we never found out the history of it.'

@@richardhawkins3596 That's interesting because in "Curious Journey" a very pro IRA book written in 1982 Barry tells how they captured the colonels uniform courteously returning his private papers they found in the pockets. What did he need it for a fancy dress ball?

Lot of inaccuracies in the movie, especially as regards The R I C. Battle hardened Auxies would have not allowed themselves to be shot down by civvies,in a pub. Those guys were armed to the teeth.They were used to raiding German,Austrian and Turkish trenches,they were frightfull killers. They were NOT afraid of The IRA. Even Tom Barry said as much.

I worship homicidal maniacs too,some of them are mates.

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The Black and Tans were a group of hunting dogs famous at the time in Ireland. Their masters were Anglo-Irish Protestants so this was an Irish insult. The group were being called English dogs. The uniforms were mixed as the ruffians recruited (much the same types as filled the worst sort of Freikorps in Germany at the very same time) were unemployable WWI veterans. They weren't members of either the British Army or the Royal Irish Constabulary and both organizations wanted to keep their jands clean of identification with their atrocities. British officers like Major Percival, the later commander of the British at the disastrous fiasco of Singapore in 1941/early 1942, did command groups of the Tans mixed with British Army forces in Cork. They were known for their murder of prisoners, their atrocities against civilians and their murders of priests. Most local people regarded Percival himself as what we today call a psychopath. The Tans, being denied membership in either the Army or the Constabulary, chose to wear a uniform that was half of each. You might describe them accurately as a British S.S., an organization they had much in common with.

@@brianmccarthy5557 Are you referring to the British Freikorps, the 100+ strong SS unit recruited from British POW camps? Because if you are that would be mid to late WWII. Certainly not at the time of the black and tans.

@@mikeycraig8970 No he isn't. If you look up the Freikorps, they were private militias established during the period immediately after WW1, where you had socialist revolutionaries clashing with with the far-right freikorps, made up often of demobilised soldiers from the army. They were the seed crystal for the likes of the SA (the brownshirts) to form.

Not The Auxies,They wore their old Army / RFC Uniform till they were issued R I C. The Late Dave Alans dad was one two.

The Black and Tans were part of the R I C. They did not have enough uniforms because R I C men were traditionally BIG IRISHMEN like BIG SCOTSMEN from The Hielans who were to be found in The Scottish Polis. Kitcheners Army were generally 5'' 8' or even smaller.

A great matching song. Best heard in Gaelic as any kind of close translation would make little sense in English, especially to anyone not knowledgeable about traditional Ireland.

There is a lot that was not mentioned in the film, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BjFXpnymhTg.html

It was a pretty bad and inaccurate movie. I wanted to like it but it was truly awful.

@@brianmccarthy5557 please exsplain how and in what context

If you mean the horrible Neil "fake IRA man" Jordan film "Michael Collins" starring Liam Neeson from the 1990's it's extremely inaccurate and badly cast. Try reading Tim Pat Coogan's excellent biography "Micharl Collins". Collins was a distant relative and went to the same Christian Brothers School in Cork as my grandfather but a couple of years ahead of him.

@@brianmccarthy5557 I'll go check that out , thanks .

​@@stormeaglegaming5395For more movies with an Irish War of Independence theme check out "Shake Hands With The Devil" from the 1950's and is in black and white and stars James Cagney and a young Richard Harris. This has action. Another black and white movie is " Beloved Enemy". This is from the 1940's and stars David Niven. The following movies are more slower paced with no real action in terms of combat but still give a good account of the turbulent period. "Fools Of Fortune" from the 1990's starring Ian Glen who would later be more famous for being in Game of Thrones. "The Last September" and "The Treaty". Irish TV made two excellent TV series about the 1916 Easter Rising and Irish War of Independence titled "1916" and "Resistance" respectively. The BBC made an excellent TV series titled "Rebel Heart" which incorporates the 1916 Easter Rising,Irish War of Independence and Iridh Civil War. Another movie is "A Nightingale Falls'. Hope this is helpful.

things like books and documentaries are a good source ^^

I know. You have to do a lot of digging and find disty old limited edition books on odd bookshops. I find there are a lot of peoole whose ancestors told them lies or exaggerations about what happened. In any case, like most things in Ireland, it can be both complicated and simple. Like a lot of Irish history, especially in Munster, it could be horrible at times.

@@brianmccarthy5557 ya I'm in munster and all of it was very bloody the massacre of ballyseddy woods for example

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@Peacelily In the context of the film and real life No. Because in the scenes before that they had a training montage where they were teaching them to crawl arm over arm and made a big deal of not blowing your cover. The real life flying column who took part in the ambush were trained by ex-British army soldiers. They didn't just grab a bunch of guns and head off half cocked to set up an ambush

As I've said in other comments here, unfortunately it was both inaccurate and badly done as a movie.

@@brianmccarthy5557 Neeson was decent...even if he was too old (Collins was a young man). When those armoured vehicles rolled into Croke Park though...yikes.

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The Black and Tans were R I C so were The Auxies,the Army had nothing to do with them !

That's interesting because in "Curious Journey" a very pro IRA book written in 1982 he tells how they captured the colonels uniform courteously returning his private papers they found in the pockets. What did he need it for a fancy dress ball?

It's "show your wife how you won medals down in flanders"

You are 100% correct but the IRA had to be flexible in case of a bigger convoy turning up. Barry's men were placed in such a way that they would be prepared to fire on a third truck if it arrived. Just a a few weeks earlier in Co Limerick a small IRA unit attacked a big British convoy. An IRA unit of just 4 men attacked a superior convoy of British soldiers(Bedfordshire & Herefordshire Regiment)in March 1921 in Co.Sligo.