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Shocking Proposal To Destroy The 401(k) - What You Need To Know 

Erin Talks Money
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00:00 Intro
00:56 Lost Revenue
01:52 Insufficient Savings
04:09 Traditional v Roth
06:36 The Biggest Problem
08:12 Improvements
09:47 The Proposal
10:28 Wrap-Up
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@ec5657
@ec5657 5 месяцев назад
So some individuals in the U.S. Government may want to limit our options for us to budget and save for retirement, so they can take more of our money and squander it without sticking to a budget? Yeah, that totally makes sense...
@libertarian4323
@libertarian4323 5 месяцев назад
You need to work hard and pay more so the government can hand your money to those who prefer to lay around on government benefits.
@donjohnson3701
@donjohnson3701 5 месяцев назад
Got to “buy votes” from the illegal migrants now known as asylum seekers!
@vesper8190
@vesper8190 5 месяцев назад
Thé government can’t even stick to their own budget yet they want to tell others how to manage their own money.
@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 5 месяцев назад
I have an idea. Let's get rid of all government spending that goes to your 5 favorite government funded things. Why? Because that money is squandered. is there a bridge you use that I don't? Gone. Do you or someone in you family have a government job or contract? Gone. Is there a national park you want to visit but I don't? Gone. Is your mother or grandmother on Medicare? Gone, you pay for her healthcare or she can just not get it. Are you getting the picture here? Is it seeming a little less "squandered" when it's your benefit that gets cut?
@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 5 месяцев назад
Like the military? @@libertarian4323
@maxwellOk
@maxwellOk 5 месяцев назад
Becoming a millionaire through a Roth IRA or a 401k involves different strategies for maximizing profits. A Roth IRA offers tax-free withdrawals in retirement, which can be advantageous if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket later in life. On the other hand, a 401k provides tax-deferred growth and potential employer contributions, boosting your savings. The optimal choice depends on factors like your current and future tax situation, employer match, and investment options. Consulting a financial advisor can help tailor a strategy that aligns with your financial goals and circumstances.
@danieljackson87
@danieljackson87 2 месяца назад
I agree totally. At sixty years old and just retired, I have around one million two hundred fifty thousand dollars in external retirement accounts. Having paid off all of my debt and allocating a small portion of my retirement fund to the value of my portfolio over the previous three years, I understand the significance of a financial counsellor. You cannot ignore them, but you must do your homework carefully in order to choose a reliable fiduciary advisor.
@mikeharry96
@mikeharry96 2 месяца назад
@@danieljackson87 This aligns perfectly with my desire to organize my finances prior to retirement. Could you provide me with access to your advisor?
@danieljackson87
@danieljackson87 2 месяца назад
@@mikeharry96 Her name is Sharon Ann Meny can't divulge much. Most likely, the internet should have her basic info, you can research if you like.
@andrewlogan7737
@andrewlogan7737 2 месяца назад
@@danieljackson87 This reference seems valid.. Just looked up her full name on my browser and found her webpage without sweat, over 15 years of experience is certainly striking! very much appreciate this.
@oherroprease207
@oherroprease207 5 месяцев назад
I love how the government doesn’t pay attention to all the money they already take from us, yet dwell on the “loss” from us having tax DEFERRED retirement accounts. God forbid Americans be able to save for retirement without being taxed TWICE on it.
@hennrock6184
@hennrock6184 5 месяцев назад
Exactly 👍
@aolvaar8792
@aolvaar8792 5 месяцев назад
taxed TWICE???? I put money in, not taxed I currently make $100K in retirement, not taxed
@MechE11B
@MechE11B 5 месяцев назад
I don't mind being taxed now... But I better not be taxed again when I decide to start to withdraw. If it's taxed now, it's a Roth and they can get F@#$ed when it's my time to retire.
@TarotTarot1
@TarotTarot1 5 месяцев назад
You can totally trust the government. They will totally look out for you. Totally🙄 As Mark Twain once said, politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason .
@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 5 месяцев назад
No one involved in the government said this. It was some random economists. In the private sector. The government created and regulates 401k accounts. I get a little bored of the endless "OMG THE GOVERNMENT GONNA GIT YA" stuff. It's unimaginative. Someone says it every second of every day.
@TarotTarot1
@TarotTarot1 5 месяцев назад
@@stt5v2002 maybe I heard wrong I could’ve swore it was two politicians, so I’ll have to listen to the beginning of the video again
@dstevens518
@dstevens518 5 месяцев назад
@@stt5v2002 This is definitely private sector driven research. What it comes down to is less pressure on companies to help out, fewer good avenues for individuals to save, with the "benefit" of more money for the government to take care of individuals in their old age. Except we know the result WON'T be the government does a good job and helps out in the end. If these economists really cared about the majority, they'd simply explain how a wealth tax will hardly be noticed by the obscenely wealthy, and would do wonders in aiding the majority both today and tomorrow. But I'd bet money it's the obscnely wealthy funding research that says the majority should pay for themselves, in a world stacked against them. The super wealthy don't really care who pays, as long as it's not them.
@lam7499
@lam7499 5 месяцев назад
​@@stt5v2002just cause people repeat it doesn't mean it isn't true. The same government was also responsible for the Tuskegee experiments and lying about the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
@HighCountryRambler
@HighCountryRambler 5 месяцев назад
@@stt5v2002 Here's one "from the government": "The worst thing people can hear in their lives is, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help". 'Ronald Regan' BTW- IRA and 401K accounts are TOTALLY private accounts to the account holder, government only regulates (via the IRS) monies that get contributed, and the tax laws on withdrawing. This current excuse of a government proves how spot-on Mark Twain was, and they are about 3 years late on a diaper change.
@black4vcobra
@black4vcobra 5 месяцев назад
This is an unbelievable take. Given how poorly the government has mismanaged social security, the 401k needs to get BETTER, not worse. I think $10k a year should be tax free FOREVER, both the initial contribution and gains.
@ordinaryhuman5645
@ordinaryhuman5645 5 месяцев назад
I'd much rather rely on a 401k and/or IRA than social security. I'd be retired already if the money siphoned into SS went into one of my accounts instead.
@papasquat355
@papasquat355 5 месяцев назад
When they wanted to taxed unrealized gains it had to be clear what our representatives were actually about. They pretend it's to get more from the rich, but it would destroy the economy, all for an extra tax dollar.
@mysticaltyger2009
@mysticaltyger2009 5 месяцев назад
In some ways this whole discussion is a moot point. Government corruption and mismanagement are a runaway train at this point. The only question is how bad the crash will be.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 5 месяцев назад
​@@ordinaryhuman5645 They are not going to get rid of Social security. They will just find more ways for you to pay it but never get it when you retire.😅
@shawnbrennan7526
@shawnbrennan7526 5 месяцев назад
To a certain extent it is. Standard deduction is over $13k this year. ;)
@MikeSTGL
@MikeSTGL 5 месяцев назад
These " Economists " are way off . Erin is correct on this for sure . These accounts will allow me to retire @ 56 ,After putting into them for 31 years . Starting @ $11.00 an hour .
@1175drh
@1175drh 5 месяцев назад
Exactly, us too. We have a nice nest egg despite of the government or rich parents. We have been putting money away every single check since our mid 20's in our 401k's!! We are currently 47&48. We should be set by 55 & 56.
@RedShiftedDollar
@RedShiftedDollar 5 месяцев назад
That's why they are going to come after you when they need to raise more tax revenue. They can't tax the poor because there's no money there. Federal revenue needs to be sourced from wealth. Your 401k is a taxation cookie jar. You'll probably be OK, but people who's retirement is 20-40 years out are going to get totally screwed over when the rules change.
@docrob2236
@docrob2236 5 месяцев назад
Government loves to reward the grasshoppers by taking from the ants.
@marksr8784
@marksr8784 5 месяцев назад
Way to go Mike 😊
@brusso456
@brusso456 5 месяцев назад
No worries, the stock market will not let the government take away the 401k/IRA plans.
@billotoole1563
@billotoole1563 5 месяцев назад
I graduated in 1979, having been taught all my life that after getting out of the Army and trying a few things for a few years, I would find a job where I would work for 30+ years and retire on a company pension with Social Security as a supplement. Anything beyond that was why you opened a savings account at your local Savings and Loan. In the early 80’s we started hearing about these 401k funds, but that stirred up the memory of all those teachings about staying away from the evils of gambling and playing the stock market. Talk about some confused kids in the 80’s. It wasn’t until my 50’s that I realized that what I had been taught wasn’t going to get me anywhere. Change or die. For the last dozen years it’s been a mad rush to pay off all debt and throw as much as I could into the 401k. They don’t need to be changing the rules on us now because it took some of us 40 years to learn how to play this game.
@teeing9355
@teeing9355 5 месяцев назад
Have you ever met anyone in the middle class who has retired solely with a 401K and SS? I'm 57 and meeting the 401K retiree is a rare unicorn. Since Devine Pensions have mostly been cut, people will be working until they die, and this millennial youtuber will be one of them.
@mountainmanxyz
@mountainmanxyz 4 месяца назад
​It's kind of sad, you guys have had greater opportunities than the vast majority of people ever had, and you don't even consider what your children's generation is about to endure, let alone the state of poverty that most people have lived through. I'm sure you guys are waiting for some foolish millennial to martyr themselves to fix it, but you should have known many years ago how messy this whole system is and played your cards differently. You're griping about lost opportunities, and it really has nothing to do with being oppressed or taken advantage of. You should have taken advantage of the situation while the getting was good. I'm a millennial working for $15.35/hr (under $22k/yr), and I have more money saved and invested after one year than the majority of Americans today. People just spend too much for one, and they don't take investing seriously. There's still opportunities, so don't forsake them. I wish you all the best with your financial future, but playing victim never gets anyone very far. It's likely to make you fearful of taking any kind of risk. When one door closes, another opens. Be adaptable, because the market never stops changing. Truth be told, if you aren't playing stocks, you're likely wasting your money and it's potential to grow. Yes, the stock market still works, and yes there are stocks worthy of owning today. Don't feed into fear. Warren Buffett says to "buy when people are fearful, and sell when people are greedy", and that, my friends, is how every major company that came out on top after the Great Depression came to be. Recession and Depression is also an opportunity, but only if you have a savings to invest in hard times. The world is not over, and the wheel keeps on spinning. Stay focused and develop a backup plan to your backups backup plan, and be versatile. Ebb and flow where the money goes. It's the only way to survive. ✌️
@republicunited2183
@republicunited2183 4 месяца назад
Dave Ramsey & prior generation way.
@jkpindahbc
@jkpindahbc 5 месяцев назад
The government already restricts 401Ks through "nondiscrimination testing." For instance, because not enough people participate in the 401K at my employer, I am only allowed to put 6% pre-tax dollars in. The authors of these papers also make an utterly insane assumption that any additional tax "revenue" would be used to shore up Social Security. It absolutely will not; the main reason SS is underfunded is due to the government constantly raiding the fund to dole out dollars to special interest groups.
@michaelgreen3036
@michaelgreen3036 5 месяцев назад
Your post is confusing. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is not Social Security, is an appropriated welfare program. There's no fund to raid and spend elsewhere. The Social Security trust fund is invested in government securities. Just like any other investor, the government uses those invested funds to run the government, paying the investor back from taxes and new bond sales. Nothing is "raided" for another program or special interest.
@jkpindahbc
@jkpindahbc 5 месяцев назад
@@michaelgreen3036@michaelgreen3036 Social Security operates under a system where current contributors sustain beneficiaries, rather than relying on a trust fund. This structure bears resemblance to a legalized Ponzi scheme. Consequently, there exists the alarming possibility that individuals may have contributed throughout their entire working tenure without receiving commensurate benefits-a scenario that would warrant legal consequences for an average citizen. Moreover, Congress has passed numerous bills permitting the allocation of these funds for various earmarks, further complicating the issue.
@philrichards9761
@philrichards9761 5 месяцев назад
@@michaelgreen3036 As I see it, the study's authors make certain assumptions to keep things simple, like assuming that the taxes collected on income not going to a retirement tax shelter would be applied directly to Social Security. Of course we cannot assume that will really happen, politicians and people being what they are. This is just an interesting thought experiment. The really big question is do taxes really pay for government spending. When a sovereign state can print it's own money, I'd suggest the answer is no. Taxes simply control our behavior.
@TheOnlySgtRock
@TheOnlySgtRock 5 месяцев назад
Actually you are allowed to put in more than 6% into your 401K. The 6% is the limit that your employer can match. The amount you can contribute goes up every tax year. In 2024 you can contribute up to $24,000 to your 401K with an additional $7,500 allowed if you are over age 50.
@GrandpasPlace
@GrandpasPlace 5 месяцев назад
The government does not have to "raid" social security. By law, social security can only invest in special government bonds. So you pay into social security, those payments are used to buy government bonds, the money goes into the government general fund. No raiding needed.
@rarelycares8416
@rarelycares8416 5 месяцев назад
I had my first access to a 401k in 1988, I saw owning my own future as much better than a pension. I went all in, saving at least 10% even when I was only making 10k/year at the beginning. By the time I left that first job in 1996 I was only making about 30k/year but I had 50k in my 401k and never looked back. Retiring this year at age 55 and between my wife and I we have about 3.5M in our 401k's. It can be done, but you have to make the effort and start early.
@AksamitMotorsports
@AksamitMotorsports 5 месяцев назад
Well done!
@billding9297
@billding9297 5 месяцев назад
God bless you. Way to set a great example!
@iluvmoney6767
@iluvmoney6767 4 месяца назад
Good job. But you will have another huge problem. Not an income problem but a huge tax problem. If you do nothing , that $3.5 M 401k will continue to grow and when you finally pull RMD's from it look at how that additional income along with SS and other income puts you in a much higher tax bracket. Taxes will only go up and you will also have to deal with IRMAA....increased MEdicare PArt B surcharges based on MAGI. And when one of you dies, the surviving spouse will have all of your income except your SS and be filing as an individual. Suggest you look into doing Roth conversions ASAP to minimize those future RMD's.
@rarelycares8416
@rarelycares8416 4 месяца назад
@@iluvmoney6767 I intend to be pulling much more than I need between 55 and 63 to lower the fund value. My taxes will be high for those years, but my taxes are already high. Most of the excess will be in ROTH conversions. At 63 I will limit for IRMAA, but those are pretty high income rates anyways. I always saw having a high tax bill as preferable to trying to choose between heat or food.
@austinburns4213
@austinburns4213 2 месяца назад
Imagine what would happen to the stock market if 401ks stopped buying stock. Mother of all crashes and recession.
@Kalvain14
@Kalvain14 5 месяцев назад
Let's give the government more tax money to squander. Good idea! In all seriousness, your take on the issue is really spot on, Erin. This option is only going to make lower income households less secure in retirement. I really have no confidence whatsoever in the government's ability to do what is best for the middle class any longer.
@ryanjenkins6899
@ryanjenkins6899 5 месяцев назад
Those government bloodsuckers don’t actually care about any of us.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
How is money the most successful program at keeping the elderly out of poverty the giving government money to “squander”?
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 5 месяцев назад
The more you learn about money the more you realize that the government isn't actually doing anything to help. It's just robbing Peter to pay Paul, but Peter and Paul are in the same village. You have to leave the village to stand a chance, and doing so will just make it more difficult for the remaining villagers.😭 It's difficult for the government to fix the problem because they are the head of the serpent they are trying to slay.
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi 5 месяцев назад
I know that changes to 401's would come, or even tax rates would go up eventually we may find out the deferred tax rate would not be favorable, It's clear that the government would attempt to address the retirement crisis, but making adjustments to 401k's are not a step in the right direction. sharing this with my friends and colleagues
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely, if the government focuses on the retirement crisis it would be a sign of hope. but introducing restrictions to 401k's are not good at all, what could you possibly do if these changes are implemented?
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi 5 месяцев назад
@@MichaelKeaton-np4fl My personal advisor and I have already made adjustments, and interestingly, I'm currently in the process of making a withdrawal from my 401k. There's a promising investment opportunity that I don't want to overlook. however these adjustments take effect, be they negative or positive, I'd prefer that they have minimal impact on my retirement or my future, how about you? have you considered making any changes? I'm not convinced that limiting contributions to 401ks is the solution. Instead of restricting access, wouldn't it be better to focus on educating individuals about the importance of saving and investing early on?
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl 5 месяцев назад
@@ConstanceMills-tw5zi It sounds like you've got a well thought out strategy. I’m always open to learning from others experiences, I'm curious to what your plan is. I myself, i'm taking a step in investing i wouldn't mind exploring your route
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi
@ConstanceMills-tw5zi 5 месяцев назад
@@MichaelKeaton-np4fl I appreciate your curiousity, tbh my strategies involve collaborating closely with my advisor. We have made a lot of interest on my collaborations for a decade now. If you're considering steps in investing, having a trusted advisor by your side can make a world of difference. my advisors name is emily ava milligan who used to be with vanguard and fidelity, she's been invaluable in navigating investment. I think implementing financial literacy programs would address the root of the issue.
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl
@MichaelKeaton-np4fl 5 месяцев назад
@@ConstanceMills-tw5zi her background truly speaks to the depth of insight you value. I'm open to networking with her. I will look for her profiie
@andrewdiener3011
@andrewdiener3011 5 месяцев назад
401k's have a lot of problems. Taxes are loaded at the end in the form of RMD's. They are taxed as normal income as opposed to tax advantaged brokerage account options ie: long term capital gains and qualified dividends. Usually there are limited investment choices, along with high fees. You cannot harvest tax losses. The redemptions typically create enough income that most of your social security becomes subject to taxes. People generally are not savvy enough to take into consideration the investment options and tax implications.
@GrandpasPlace
@GrandpasPlace 5 месяцев назад
Great points! I could pull around 100k a year from my stock portfolio and have 0% tax rate (long term capital gains, married filing jointly.) For me, the best use of the IRA/401k and social security is charitable donations as tax write offs so I can pull a higher amount out of my stocks without paying taxes. I find it ironic that it was pre-tax going in and a tax write off coming out. lol
@WBS001
@WBS001 5 месяцев назад
Fortunately, most (not all) people use accountants to do their taxes, and they absolutely *should* be able to guide you on the best way to minimize taxes. Sometimes it may require an extra tax form or two, but (generally) there *are* ways.
@andrewdiener3011
@andrewdiener3011 5 месяцев назад
​@ssnoofle2007 Most of your retirement tax advantages don't come from filling out a tax form correctly. The disadvantages you get from putting too much money in a 401k is what hobbles the other tax advantages you would receive from a plain vanilla brokerage account such as tax loss harvesting, qualified dividends, ratio of pulling from a tax vs tax sheltered account etc. An accountant is NOT going to help you with those decisions.
@angelasoWA
@angelasoWA 5 месяцев назад
Not true, the 401k has been extremely helpful for us to save for retirement. The real issue is, employees don’t contribute because many are living paycheck to paycheck.
@josephiroth89
@josephiroth89 5 месяцев назад
So if we got rid of the tax incentives to invest in 401k’s, would that cause people to stop putting as much money into them? And in doing so, wouldn’t it make people more reliant on social security, thus causing the government to need even more funding for it?
@JB-fq9dp
@JB-fq9dp 5 месяцев назад
How about requiring personal finance class before you can graduate high school. Crazy GOV!
@sarraandjennifermullen754
@sarraandjennifermullen754 5 месяцев назад
Many states already have this as a graduation requirement. You can’t legislate that people actually learn it, though.
@user-nw9cy4pk9k
@user-nw9cy4pk9k 5 месяцев назад
Yes I had to take this in Oklahoma
@Norm475
@Norm475 5 месяцев назад
It depends on who is teaching the class. If you have a Carl Marx sympathizer or an Adam Smith follower teaching the class, the students will have a totally different view on economics. We now have the Carl Marx type teaching economics.
@TheFourthWinchester
@TheFourthWinchester 4 месяца назад
And let go of all the sheep who make poor decisions and give them free money?
@X.MillennialResponder.X
@X.MillennialResponder.X 5 месяцев назад
First off, hats off to Erin for another insightful video - really hitting the nail on the head with these discussions. Now, onto the economic nitty-gritty of this proposal. It's akin to trying to solve a Rubik's Cube blindfolded - there's a lot of moving parts and potential pitfalls. You hit the nail on the head regarding the oversight in considering various externalities. It's like trying to bake a cake without flour - you're missing a crucial ingredient! In the realm of retirement savings, behavioral economics whispers in our ear, reminding us that human behavior is a wild beast that can't be tamed with a simple tax adjustment. By neglecting to account for the behavioral implications of removing a savings avenue like the 401(k), we risk further eroding the already shaky foundation of the three-legged stool metaphor. We've already seen one leg of the stool, pensions, kicked out from under us in the relentless march towards cost-cutting and bottom lines. Now, with the proposal to remove another leg by relying solely on Social Security, it's like trying to balance on a pogo stick - precarious and bound to end in a tumble. Furthermore, this shortsightedness fails to provide our society with the proper framework to foster a culture of financial resilience and independence. It's like trying to build a house with no walls - sure, you might have a roof over your head, but you're completely exposed to the elements. So, what externalities should we be considering? Well, for starters, there's the domino effect on individual savings behavior. Removing a savings avenue could send a ripple through the fabric of society, discouraging prudent financial planning and leaving individuals ill-prepared for the inevitable rainy day. Then there's the broader societal impact. By relying solely on government intervention to secure our financial futures, we risk further entrenching the cycle of dependence and stifling the spirit of entrepreneurship and innovation that has long been the lifeblood of our economy. In essence, it's not just about crunching numbers and balancing budgets - it's about recognizing the intricate dance between economics and human behavior, and ensuring that our policies reflect the values of resilience, independence, and self-reliance that define us as a society. So let's roll up our sleeves, dust off our calculators, and start crafting policies that build a future where everyone has the opportunity to pull themselves up by their bootstraps - even if they need a little help tying them first. And a big thank you to Erin for sparking this important conversation!
@ld5714
@ld5714 5 месяцев назад
Good discussion Erin! Thanks for the content you consistently produce. The report doesn't mention that taxes are collected from traditional IRAs in two ways. 1) withdrawals in retirement years to provide funds above what is received through Social Security. 2) Forced income via RMDs which creates a tax torpedo and increases taxes via taxing 85% of SS as income. Additionally, tIRA funds passed to beneficiaries are taxed now on an even shorter timeline of 10 years. This can often cause these funds to be taxed at a higher rate to the beneficiaries than they would have been taxed to the initial owner of the accounts. Larry, Central Valley, Ca.
@solacemusic242
@solacemusic242 5 месяцев назад
Typical; government spends too much money, so they go to their citizens to pay for it! And if you say the citizens are the "wealthy" who should pay their "fair share" it's a drop in the bucket. To really deal with SS and deficits, they would need to dip into middle class (yes, that is you and me!). $187 billion would not even put a dent in the issue. Politicians, please leave my savings/retirement alone. I have worked hard, had little debt, I am retiring in 2 years, please let me have the money I have worked, and saved for, and lived beneath my means to EARN! Thanks Erin for information
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
Youre just wrong. We could fully fund all current social security entitlements until 2100 by removing the income cap.
@sebastianlucas704
@sebastianlucas704 5 месяцев назад
​@@jirehguyThere is no such thing as an income gap.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
@@sebastianlucas704 no one said gap. If you meant cap, there is definitely an income cap. You are dead wrong. This is easily google-able. Maybe do some basic research before talking out your ass like you always do.
@sebastianlucas704
@sebastianlucas704 5 месяцев назад
@@jirehguy While I did mistype, there is no income cap in America. My source is the IRS themselves. If you make over 609,350 single, all income from that amount onwards, is subject to a 37% tax.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
@@sebastianlucas704 based on your comment, it seems like you think social security is paid for with income tax. 😂🤡🫵 even if not, you not understanding context or the actual details is equally embarrassing.
@patc8886
@patc8886 5 месяцев назад
The one thing that bothers me with the employer 401k is the vesting period. There are some company’s that require you to stay with them 3-5 years before what they match is yours, meaning that match is lost if you quit or get fired forcing you to some golden handcuffs. There are lots that don’t match until you have a full year of service with them. I have seen some companies recently match and vest you on day one but I would say that’s rare. I feel if the laws were to change to forcing employers to match and vest on day one, it would really help boost the 401k be even more valuable to workers.
@JinX0011
@JinX0011 5 месяцев назад
Just found your channel yesterday and started to watch several of your videos. I have to say: you are really well-spoken! Thanks for the wonderful content! :)
@user-ms3ko5gn8e
@user-ms3ko5gn8e 5 месяцев назад
Not all employers match 401k contributions either, which makes it harder to save more.
@thedude5040
@thedude5040 5 месяцев назад
Someone who saves $0 will still have $0 even if they their employer offed a match
@user-ms3ko5gn8e
@user-ms3ko5gn8e 5 месяцев назад
@@thedude5040 That is definitely correct. You have to be in charge of your own finances and save what you can.
@briancavanaugh7604
@briancavanaugh7604 5 месяцев назад
I think you will see that change as employers will need to jockey for the evershrinking labor pool. We already have employers paying for people to attend college to study for degress that IMMEDIATELY have them quit and work somewhere else just to stay competitive and attract workers.
@GrandpasPlace
@GrandpasPlace 5 месяцев назад
Or you have employers that play match percentage games. One employer I was at years ago matched 4% of the first 10% you put into the plan. So If you put in $100 they would "Match" by putting in $4 and you had to be there 5 years to be vested. it felt like a scam.
@thedude5040
@thedude5040 5 месяцев назад
@GrandpasPlace that's not how the matching works, I'm sorry you didn't understand it, nor was it ever legal for plan to be operated like that. With me, I have a 4% match. So I put in $500/pay check and get matched like $130.
@jjmurray327
@jjmurray327 5 месяцев назад
Another great video, Erin! Thanks! I'd like to say 3 things: 1) People (and you in this video) mention that only the wealthy really take advantage of the retirement plans like the 401k. I'd like to offer that we became wealthy BECAUSE we took advantage of those plans. 2) In my opinion, altering the tax-deferred plans so that more taxes are taken out really only is a short term fix. Because those taxed dollar investments won't be taxed when people retire down the road, it will lower the government future collections. The social security fund was raided decades ago, the alarm has been sounding for decades. Its going to be a painful next couple of decades, but we shouldn't kick the can down the road with short-term solutions. 3) Again, in my opinion, companies should pay a living wage and encourage saving, instead of pandering to shareholders.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
I share your opinion on point one as well - and my hope was that, that was expressed in the video as well. It's not just the wealthy who take advantage of these plans, but middle and lower and income earners as well. And you make a GREAT addition that these plans enable people to become wealthy!
@TorqueKMA
@TorqueKMA 5 месяцев назад
Rule number 1 of making money.... You need money to make money. The wealthy are taking advantage because they are the ones who can afford to lop 15% off the top of their income ON TOP of the 22%+ the government takes. Young people (the ones these finance folks beat over the head about saving early) are stuck making nominal take home wages while fending off an ever inflating economy. Even doing well I can feel the struggle. Every year. EVERY YEAR. For the past 10 years I've worked post school, my 4% annual raise has been immediately counteracted my an increase in cost of Healthcare, benefits, cost of living, and now daycare. I job hop to make more, I lose $10k from my savings (vesting periods). I was lucky enough to come on top of the current housing market. I truly don't envy my peers trying to pay 450k @ 8% At the end of the day building wealth while below a relatively high income threshold, has become a losing battle for today's working class generation.
@callmeishmaelk767
@callmeishmaelk767 5 месяцев назад
When the same eat the rich they mean the middle class too.
@jjmurray327
@jjmurray327 5 месяцев назад
@@TorqueKMA you are absolutely correct. my point #3 says that companies need to take care of their employees! I grew up in rural america, reduced school lunches, food stamps. i amassed student loans to go to college and i dont think we took a real family vacation until is was in my 40s. i scrimped and managed to sock away a little. my real savings didn't start until my 40s, but it worked. for me, the money went into the 401k before i ever saw it and that helped. and i finally found a small company who cared for the employees' well being too
@Excalibur2
@Excalibur2 5 месяцев назад
It is mostly high income individuals who can afford to take advantage of 401ks beyond just the match.
@ayorkii
@ayorkii 5 месяцев назад
I love this video. I’ve watched some many where advisors are misleading their clients into thinking that Roth is always the right solution. They do this with the lie that contributing to a Roth after-tax is the same as contributing pre-tax to a traditional … not adjusting for tax. Then, after fake “equal” contributions after several years, when it’s time to withdraw, then voila here’s two identical buckets of cash … one you have to pay taxes on and another that you don’t … they don’t factor in the opportunity cost of lost tax savings … nor the effect that the tax has on their contribution ability. But math with finite resources/cash doesn’t work that way. They’ve been lied to so badly that when you try to explain the math to them … they can’t get past the brainwashing that Roth is always good because of “tax-free” growth and withdrawals. But nothing is free, you have to do the math properly.
@alanmaag8584
@alanmaag8584 5 месяцев назад
Another great video, Erin. I was working for a company that started replacing the defined pension with 401k in 89. Even then there were doubts about SS for us (I was 35 at the time). Congress can shore up SS if they have the will to to do so but there is a faction that believe it to be a major entitlement program and have been trying to shut it down since they were drinking from kegs.. Retirees and those planning to retire in the next 10 years need to take a tip from the politicians and vote for "enlightened self interest."
@daveinct7900
@daveinct7900 5 месяцев назад
Thanks, Erin! I agree with you 100% and this proposal is among the worst that I have ever seen. The primary author of this study is 81 years old - somehow I don’t think any of these proposed changes will impact her retirement one iota. For the rest of us trying not to rely on an already overburdened social security system, these proposals would be disastrous. If any of us see this drivel making its way into a congressional proposal, it would behoove us to tell our representatives loudly to kill the bill.
@scottthomas1894
@scottthomas1894 5 месяцев назад
Another excellent video Erin. I agree with you 100%. 401ks are one of the most important tools in securing your retirement. I am a perfect example of this. I graduated from law school in 1981. I spent the first 10 years of my career working in a government law office. We had a 457b plan, which is the government equivalent of a 401k. There was no match. Every year I worked there I contributed the maximum. After 10 years I left that there and took a job with the law department of a Fortune 500 insurance company. I started there in 1991. We had a 401k that the company matched up to 6% of your salary. In addition, we had a defined benefits pension. I worked at this company for 30 years. Every year, I contributed the maximum amount and received the full company match. When I turned 50, I also contributed the full catchup amount. I was extremely fortunate in that I was old enough and had been with the company long enough to get grandfathered for the pension when they discontinued it in January of 2016. My wife was also an attorney and spent a significant portion of her career working for a different insurance company’s law department. She also had a 401k that was matched up to $5000 of her contribution. I retired on December 31st of 2021. Unfortunately, my wife passed away four months before I retired. After I retired, I rolled both 401ks into an IRA. I now have over $5,000,000 in that account. But for these amazing vehicles, we would never have had that much money. The 401k has given me financial freedom and a very secure retirement.
@vltruane
@vltruane 5 месяцев назад
The pension is the most secure. 401k was just initially designed as a supplement to a defined pension plan.
@TheOnlySgtRock
@TheOnlySgtRock 5 месяцев назад
Sorry about your wife.
@cody5596
@cody5596 5 месяцев назад
@@vltruane Pensions are only thought of as being more secure. It is just someone else controlling your retirement money. Pensions can be mishandled, the company can go under, or worse embezzled from. The 401k is all in your hands. You may be limited to your company's investment options and fee structure, but at least you choose where the money goes within those options.
@ryen7512
@ryen7512 5 месяцев назад
The biggest lesson is the most important currency is time, not money. Time In the market, as well as time in your life or lack thereof. Sorry for your loss.
@papster33
@papster33 Месяц назад
Excellent point Erin. The true impact on people using these plans will not be known for many more years. I lucked out - starting using them early since I was in the industry. I am a relatively early adopter, and have always been focused on finances. However, as you point out, there have been numerous advances in that time period. Much more information available today due to technology, lower fees on investments, more investment options including index funds, and enhancements to the programs themselves - most notably auto enrollment and escalation. Well thought out response on your part. Kudos!
@ZaneDouglas1
@ZaneDouglas1 5 месяцев назад
I remember back in 1994 when my employer got rid of their pension plan and started the 401K. I hadn’t been there long enough to be vested in any part of the pension, so I started contributing to my 401K. That was 30-years ago and if it had not been for that retirement savings vehicle, I could have a bleak retirement outlook today. But it has helped me secure my future, and I never made more than the average or median salary… I actually made substantially less. I also think 401K’s are much better than they used to be, so they are more advantageous to younger generations. Back in the 90’s, the fee structures were well hidden and quite high, and most plans did not have a diverse set of funds to choose from; target funds weren’t even a thing. They also weren’t as well understood by the common individual as they are today, and financial literacy was not as easy to research or come by before the internet.
@jdbarney
@jdbarney 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely agree that the way to fix social security is to continue to step up the taxable earnings cap without cutting benefits or increasing the retirement age. If properly funded by employee and employer contributions, the 401k is a valuable and essential tool. We should be growing the pre-tax contribution limits - not lowering or eliminating them.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 5 месяцев назад
That won't do as much as you think. Most people don't make enough taxable income in the year to exceed the cap on taxable income. Keep in mind that the wealthy people are wealthy because of assets, not income. So they aren't really the people who are paying into social security. The ones who are paying into it is the middle class.
@dr_flunks
@dr_flunks 5 месяцев назад
why should i be forced to participate in that garbage at all? to help idiots. there is no other reason.
@shawnbrennan7526
@shawnbrennan7526 5 месяцев назад
So you want to increase the taxable cap for SS but not increase the contributions for those in the bracket? Not very fair either. (No, I don’t really have a good answer for fixing SS either. But I hear this magical fix from Bernie supporters too often.)
@jdbarney
@jdbarney 5 месяцев назад
@@shawnbrennan7526Sorry if my comment was unclear. The wage cap goes up all the time, and in recent years it has gone up by higher percentages. I'm just advocating for continuing that trend to drive the revenue needed.
@jdbarney
@jdbarney 5 месяцев назад
@@TheFirstRealChewyAs someone who hit the cap every year for the last 20+ years, I know I am not alone. There are plenty of high income earners out there ... lawyers, doctors, executives, etc. When you make that kind of money, you can afford the taxes. I promise you I would not have missed it much.
@dennisheflin2680
@dennisheflin2680 5 месяцев назад
Very well done.
@PH-dm8ew
@PH-dm8ew 5 месяцев назад
Excellent summary of the issues. My first few jobs had profit sharing as retirement. Of course they were set up to insure there were little or no profits to be shared along with inevitable bankruptcies. I started with defined contribution plans with matching in 1986. I didn’t know enough about investing or retirement funding until 2008 or so. Throw in children with severe illness and just absurd medical bills and really amazing I was able to retire. The average person is really unable to plan 40 years out for retirement. I credit shows like yours with really helping to tackle this challenge. I wish you had been around 25 years ago. Keep it up. Great job.
@enbofficial3044
@enbofficial3044 5 месяцев назад
Outstanding points. Preach!
@GusMahn
@GusMahn 5 месяцев назад
Money is a mystery to lots of us, but we mostly all get old. My 401K made it very easy to start saving at 7% of my income and put 1/2 of my raises into my 401K. With a generous 7% 401 match, I'm at 11x my annual income in less than 20 years. The 401K might or might not be the best retirement tool, but it's possibly the only tool some of us need.
@OroborusFMA
@OroborusFMA 5 месяцев назад
Most employers cannot be called "generous" in any way.
@GusMahn
@GusMahn 5 месяцев назад
@@OroborusFMA I agree, but I don't know many with a 7% or greater match.
@mandypdx
@mandypdx 5 месяцев назад
@@GusMahnmy emplyer was putting in 12% for me, for about 6-7 years. They cut it down to 6% but gave everyone a 6% raise. We have about 15,000 employees
@GusMahn
@GusMahn 5 месяцев назад
@@mandypdx Wow 12% is great, and 6% is still pretty good. Hopefully you have a pension and retiree medical plan to go with it, though those aren't that common anymore.
@fredswartley9778
@fredswartley9778 5 месяцев назад
I agree with your perspective. I don't see how removing saving and investing options will help people in retirement. And I don't like the idea of relying more on the government to fund our retirement. The government doesn't always have our best interests in mind.
@MechE11B
@MechE11B 5 месяцев назад
95% of the time they dont have our best interest in mind... Just give us enough Fs to make the masses keep voting for em.
@johnmiech3544
@johnmiech3544 5 месяцев назад
Another great video Erin! Well done.
@claytonspann8032
@claytonspann8032 5 месяцев назад
Great info.. thanks
@Toomanydays
@Toomanydays 5 месяцев назад
I read the report. Not once do they mention retired people withdraw money from these accounts and pay taxes which would offset the tax lose. They don’t mention when you inherit an IRA you have 10 years to liquidate it and you pay taxes on it. They also use studies from Europe on saving rates to support their claims. Their position seems to be only rich people benefit from it so it must be bad.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
I agree, it seems very superficial, and not well researched at all!
@headlibrarian1996
@headlibrarian1996 5 месяцев назад
They basically define the upper middle class as “rich”.
@i2rtw
@i2rtw 5 месяцев назад
@@headlibrarian1996household income above median is considered rich by them.
@petestandley2690
@petestandley2690 5 месяцев назад
Whenever folks base an argument on carefully selected statistics, it is wise to dig deeper. Averages can be very deceptive, Medians are often more useful since they discount the impact of the extremes (in both directions). An example could be if you take 10 families with an average of $100K in savings, but underlying that average is the fact that one family has $1,000,000 and 9 families have $0. Making a proposal based on the average works for no one in that case, but might look good in a headline or speech. Erin did a good job of reminding folks of this kind of data manipulation.
@ghost307
@ghost307 5 месяцев назад
Agreed. Absolute dollar amounts should be used to perform such an analysis, and percentages should be used to perform a completely separate analysis, then BOTH should be released.
@UnlikelyToRemember
@UnlikelyToRemember 5 месяцев назад
one of the best things that happened to me as a new and definitely not financially savvy entrant into the workforce in the mid-80's was my employer mandating that 5% of my salary (plus their match) go into my 403b. As I now begin to contemplate retirement, I know it will be on my terms and not driven by any money worries. I would hate to see that possibility taken away from others.
@deborahyeh552
@deborahyeh552 5 месяцев назад
Retirement saving/investment not only benefits the individual's future years, it benefits the economy and the society as a whole. Any ideas/proposals that hinder investment/saving will have unintended negative consequences to wealth building for both individuals and the government. Thank you Erin for your wonderful and informative videos.
@myscorebig
@myscorebig 5 месяцев назад
All of my retirement accounts are roth. Govt is getting absolutely nothing when im done in the workforce.
@francisoconnor2392
@francisoconnor2392 5 месяцев назад
True but you already paid them
@myscorebig
@myscorebig 5 месяцев назад
@@francisoconnor2392 correct. It also allows me not to pay property taxes in my state when I don't have taxable income when I'm retired.
@MyNameIsJeff872
@MyNameIsJeff872 5 месяцев назад
until they change the rules for Roth accounts that is....
@thetapheonix
@thetapheonix 5 месяцев назад
@@francisoconnor2392You pay no taxes on the growth or dividends in a Roth, making it superior in every way possible.
@da1shark
@da1shark 5 месяцев назад
The government needs to reduce spending like companies do - there is too much waste in government. Government needs to learn how to deliver services at a lower cost. If they increase the taxes now, then Congress will just spend it for stupid programs and not allocate it to Social Security. Also, in their calculations, did they factor in the future dollars that would be collected when RMDs start? Plus the amount that has been growing in 401K accounts over the last 20-30 years? RMDs are additional taxes to be collected on that growth. If we tax everything now, and people put money into Roth accounts or HSAs then there will not be taxes collected on those account balances when pulled out in retirement. And Social Security payments would not be taxed. The point is the government wants to get the dollars now, but in the future there will be less taxes paid from retirees. At least that is how I look at it.
@cuz129
@cuz129 5 месяцев назад
Well said. Great communication skills!
@joewee880
@joewee880 Месяц назад
Why doesn’t the govt have to be fiscally responsible? Why does our government get to spend and spend and spend and spend and not be held accountable? Any other entity wouldn’t be allowed to get away with this. Wasteful and inefficient practices shouldn’t be bailed out by the blood, sweat and tears of the American people. This is asinine and must stop!!!
@vivekh7662
@vivekh7662 5 месяцев назад
How about all the lost revenue from capping Social Security to the first $168K of taxable income? Doesn't look like they mentioned that as an option in the paper.
@dougmcmahon5459
@dougmcmahon5459 4 месяца назад
Sure, raise the effective tax rate to 60% or 70%. This won't discourage those workers at all!
@richhands5269
@richhands5269 5 месяцев назад
My three favorite channels: Erin Talks Money, Stock Brotha, & How Money Works. Make my week complete! 🔥 🔥 🔥
@stevekrewson4931
@stevekrewson4931 5 месяцев назад
Thanks again for another great video Let’s hope common sense prevails, and we get to keep things the way they are
@damondiehl5637
@damondiehl5637 5 месяцев назад
Picking up a copy of Money magazine in the 80s was the one of the best decisions I ever made.
@lukehanson5320
@lukehanson5320 5 месяцев назад
Engagement for Erin. Keep up the great work! (I know she's married, wrong kind of ENGAGEMENT)
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
hahaha 🤣
@ordinaryhuman5645
@ordinaryhuman5645 5 месяцев назад
The silly thing is that traditional contributions are still subject to social security taxes, so they're not harming that system anyway.
@victorc8028
@victorc8028 5 месяцев назад
I agreed with all your points. Thanks for an informed video
@bobzeren4789
@bobzeren4789 4 месяца назад
New subscriber to your channel. Erin, you are a treasure! Wife and I both turn 63 this year, still working and in good health. Keep up the great informational posts. Your way of plain speaking is a breath of fresh air. Thanks again for all you do!
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 4 месяца назад
Welcome to the channel!! Thank you for the kind words!
@hardlygamaliel455
@hardlygamaliel455 5 месяцев назад
Gee, imagine that! The people that are the most heavily taxed are the ones that are most interested in tax breaks. Who would've thunk it?
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
If you are in a higher tax bracket, you have more disposable income. So a flat tax would be regressive since a person making minimum wage is spending the majority of their money on food and shelter while someone making 100k can keep food and housing as a much smaller portion of the budget. Higher tax bracket households are not victims here
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
You also fail to consider other taxes like sales tax. If a person making 20k pays sales taxes for groceries, they are being taxed as a higher portion of their income than someone making 100k.
@SteveKemplin
@SteveKemplin 5 месяцев назад
@@jirehguy You're missing something as well - sales taxes are miniscule compared to income related taxes, which rise sharply with income. Sales taxes where I live are only 6%, whereas for a single individual the 22% federal income tax bracket starts at an income of $42,160 - hardly wealthy. Add to that a 15.3% self employment tax, and 5.75% state income tax and over 43% of your income is going to taxes.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
@@SteveKemplin sales tax was just an example. When you’re not making a lot of money, every little bit counts. The 10% income tax, the 6% sales tax, the 53 cent per gallon average gas tax. Cars as essentially a regressive tax since almost all American cities require them to be able to travel to a job or any other place. My point is that your higher income tax bracket is not nearly as big of an inconvenience when you still have 50%+ of your income free after necessities when a person in an impoverished area can easily spend 70% of the income on rent, food, and transportation
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
@@SteveKemplinthe need for groceries doesn’t increase as you make more money. But if you spend $400 on grocery a month, that’s $288 a year on sale taxes. To someone making $75k that might not be the end of the world, but if youre making $15k that can mean affording a car repair, fixing cavities, not over drafting, affording a few extra weeks of groceries, etc.
@Erginartesia
@Erginartesia 5 месяцев назад
This is completely bogus. I love how they are saying there’s not enough being saved .. while simultaneously saying the tax deferrals are losing the gov too much $. Erin, why don’t you remind them of the 3-legged safety net rule. Also, kudos to you to explaining how much harder it was to be part of a 401k plan, maybe even only a dozen years ago it was MUCH harder to manage. I would love to know how the rate of savings in 401k plans has changed, including the contribution matches. Not only that, but the change in asset location over time.
@robertewalt7789
@robertewalt7789 5 месяцев назад
Also, many 401k’s have high fees.
@fellow_servant_jamesk8303
@fellow_servant_jamesk8303 5 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly. I was wondering how they could claim that tax dollars are being lost at a substantial rate while simultaneously claiming that savings rates are fairly low anyway
@Erginartesia
@Erginartesia 5 месяцев назад
@fellow_servand_jamesk8303 and @robertewalt7789 - Ya those fees are often hidden. I talked my friend into really coming down hard on her HR to get that disclosure .. they were trying not to give her the numbers .. but she got them. They were like 2%! No wonder they try to hide. There should be fees caps on deferred plans. What good is it to have 5% matching when 2% of that [compounded!] is going into someone else’s pockets? And while they are whining, retirement rates are going up .. that should mean that they are getting more income. Let’s see some data here. Sound bites don’t cut it.
@sleepyhead7391
@sleepyhead7391 5 месяцев назад
this is a great summary! completely untreated, are related to San Francisco 49ers Quarter Back Brock Purdy?
@FSymanski
@FSymanski 5 месяцев назад
Well said. Knowledge is power!
@joethecomputerguy1
@joethecomputerguy1 5 месяцев назад
I think the actual numbers of people (vs averages and medians) using these plans are important. Did I miss them or were they not in the study? 401k and Roths are the main reason I could retire early at 52. Agreed I am an anomaly because I understand taxes and the benefits of saving. I also have the wherewithal to use and stick to a budget. Interesting thumbnail LOL.
@ClickBeetleTV
@ClickBeetleTV 5 месяцев назад
Also, the number of people to whom 401ks are even available - the proportion of Americans who have real access to and eligibility for a 401k or equivalent via their employers.
@np5246
@np5246 5 месяцев назад
@7:52 There were also no Target Date Funds in the 80s. Pretty sure there were no robo-advisors either. There were index funds, but those were very new at the time. It took time for index funds (and the Boglehead approach) to gain traction. To this day, I'm pretty sure there are still numerous people who are unaware of them.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
One hundred percent! And so many of these initial 401k plans actually didn’t default into actual investments, many let funds sit in savings accounts.
@np5246
@np5246 5 месяцев назад
@@ErinTalksMoney It can still be like that with IRAs. I find out my credit union has a mere deposit account as the default for IRA contributions.
@shawnbrennan7526
@shawnbrennan7526 5 месяцев назад
@@ErinTalksMoney Or they defaulted to only buying company stock.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
I know the TSP only in recent years switched to defaulting from government bonds into target date funds. And I don’t like the idea of defaulting only into company stock 😬
@transitengineer
@transitengineer 5 месяцев назад
In the 1990's, I started my second job after college with a large Southern California private company and, they provided each employee with both a traditional pension and an optional 401(k) with a 2 percent company match up to your first 4 percent. In the 2000's, at my third job with a local City, they provided me with a traditional pension and 457 plan with a 4 percent match. Today, it is hard to find a private firm that lets employees have both a traditional pension and an optional 403(b) or a 401(k).
@ryanjoseph8694
@ryanjoseph8694 5 месяцев назад
First time watching your video. Really loved the information you were talking about. Liked and subscribed.
@ErinTalksMoney
@ErinTalksMoney 5 месяцев назад
Awesome, thank you! 😊
@mysticaltyger2009
@mysticaltyger2009 5 месяцев назад
I think you made a valid point about increasing the amount of earnings subject to Social Security taxes without increasing the benefits. Requiring all government workers to contribute to Social Security would also help. And a small raise in the SS tax for everyone else would also help. I think the benefits are already skimpy, so I'm not sure I'd be in favor of cutting SS benefits. I do think they do need to do something about SS disability fraud, though.
@shawnbrennan7526
@shawnbrennan7526 5 месяцев назад
Just to clarify…. I believe all FEDERAL government workers have been contributing to SS since 1983; am I wrong? The law has allowed state and local government employees (like teachers and cops) who have a similar pension opt out of SS.
@markhagerman3072
@markhagerman3072 5 месяцев назад
What's needed is to raise the age at which benefits become available, a little every year. Phase SS out of existence, and let people run their own lives.
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh 5 месяцев назад
We retired 7 years ago, and our 401K's were enabled us to save a nice nest egg. Without it, I am sure we would have spent most of that money. Let's hope Congress doesn't remove this excellent way to save!
@accbooks22
@accbooks22 5 месяцев назад
You are the voice of reason!
@brachiator1
@brachiator1 5 месяцев назад
Very interesting video essay. I would like to know what retirement looks like since, say 1960. What is the average amount of retirement income. How much is Social Security, how much is pension income. How many retired people live mainly on Social Security. I don't think that we can suggest tax policy until we have some idea about how well people have been providing for retirement. Social Security was meant to help relieve poverty among seniors. Has it done so?
@bellmattwebb
@bellmattwebb 5 месяцев назад
Or, you could just not put a cap on social security taxes on the wealthy. That would fund social security for the foreseeable future by some multiples. Tax billionaires.
@GuyandLori
@GuyandLori 5 месяцев назад
We are the government and we’re here to help. You can imagine why we are a bit skeptical.
@karihosny9420
@karihosny9420 5 месяцев назад
Very informational.
@livingontheedge8680
@livingontheedge8680 5 месяцев назад
I was unaware of the 401k plan until the late 90's and did not have access to one until 2008, my mid 40's. I think my experience is a fairly accurate representation, or reason why participation rates by both employers and employees were only 13% per your example.
@antilogism
@antilogism 5 месяцев назад
Same here.
@vjhicks8533
@vjhicks8533 5 месяцев назад
Ok. And they could cut military spending by 20% and get to the tax revenue being lost by tax deferred accounts. Or if you don’t want to cut that much of the military budget a combo of military cuts and cutting corporate tax loopholes easily gets us there. Also since the 401k is fairly new we don’t yet have a “critical mass” of that revenue from people withdrawing from 401k to finally get back that tax revenue. Yes present value of money says that deferred tax has less value than current tax. But we don’t yet have a retired base that is primarily 401k. That’s more Gen X who isn’t generally retirement age yet.
@dc76384
@dc76384 5 месяцев назад
Yes! An across the board pay cut for our military at a rate of at least 30% would help as well. God darn military people!!!
@bryanwhitton1784
@bryanwhitton1784 5 месяцев назад
That is not what he said. @@dc76384
@Mr_New_Vegas_685
@Mr_New_Vegas_685 5 месяцев назад
Payroll makes up less than 40% of the military budget. There are numerous other areas that could be cut back with little to no negative changes whatsoever.
@vjhicks8533
@vjhicks8533 5 месяцев назад
@@dc76384 no I’m not saying a pay cut. But even relatives of mine that are lifetime military say there is TONS of waste within the military. However we all just accept it as “YOURE A GODDAM COMMUNIST IF YOU TOUCH THE MILITARY BUDGET”. And contractors like Raytheon just laugh all the way to the bank since they will always be able to sell their goods at huge profits.
@thetapheonix
@thetapheonix 5 месяцев назад
You cant just cut one area and not another. The cuts would need to be across the board and deep too. Since your little plan of cutting military spending wont matter in the next ten years since paying interest on the sky rocketing debt will exceed all government spending, including the military.
@doubles1545
@doubles1545 5 месяцев назад
I have a better idea- leave our private accounts alone and get rid of Social Security. I’m getting a much better return on my money in my IRA than I will get on SS, assuming I get anything for SS.
@rvmanmatt6643
@rvmanmatt6643 5 месяцев назад
Terrible idea
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 5 месяцев назад
​@@rvmanmatt6643I think it's great.
@gobot4455
@gobot4455 5 месяцев назад
​@@rvmanmatt6643100% agree. We already do a terrible job saving for ourselves via the 401k. So lets go ahead and give us MORE responsibility when we (as a group) have already demonstrated an inability to plan ahead. Smh.
@Mr_New_Vegas_685
@Mr_New_Vegas_685 5 месяцев назад
@@gobot4455 People definitely need to save more for retirement but Government is one of the worst entities to do it. Most people will get a -1% rate of return on social security. For every 1$ in taxes the government takes 40-60 cent of it is consumed by the bureaucracy.
@Zachary_Setzer
@Zachary_Setzer 5 месяцев назад
Mask-off paternalism. Modern "liberals" aren't liberals at all.
@wizengy
@wizengy 5 месяцев назад
Another thing that is not mentioned in the numbers is the amounts taken from current IRA that people now pay taxes on, inherited IRAs that need accelerated distributions, early distribution penalties, and other ways that taxes are being paid on the back end of the IRA path. This is happening today as people who started plans in the early 1980s are now retiring.
@scottmuench6855
@scottmuench6855 5 месяцев назад
Well said!
@peets127
@peets127 5 месяцев назад
F that. They can keep every dime I’ve contributed to SS right now if they just let me handle my own retirement. These idiots are not fiscally responsible and I can do a much better job on my own.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 5 месяцев назад
They aren't trying to help you. They are just trying to keep the economy going. The way I see it is that the government has their agenda and I have mine. They will keep making changes that suit their needs and I'll have to make changes to suit mine. Money buys you influence and influence equals power.
@acs78393
@acs78393 5 месяцев назад
Luckily this proposal would never actually pass into law. Any politician who supported it would get voted out asap.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
I dont think so. The less than $200k average 401k balance that’s skewed (from higher net worth households) is super popular consider most individuals are hardly contributing to them. And a large portion of people don’t even have access to them.
@joesonnefeld9296
@joesonnefeld9296 5 месяцев назад
Business are also allowing enrollment earlier like after a couple of months instead of waiting a year like I had to do 20 years ago
@mikebridges20
@mikebridges20 5 месяцев назад
Erin, probably one of the most important pieces of content you've put out. It stands as a warning to the rest of us to always keep vigilant about what our government does, or is being advised, to do. A couple of thoughts: One, people that were in the work force when tax-advantage savings became law still, for the most part, had access to pensions. That has dwindled over the past few decades, and I would be interested to see the demographics vs. participation rates (I think you've done one on that in the past but I don't know where it is). Second, those individuals are just now getting to RMD age, which is what the government is waiting for. Third, there's no credit given to individual savings and how those investments have positively affected the overall economy, which is not the author's goal. Their view, which has been shown to be faulty many times in history, is that increasing the burden on individuals is the proper way to increase tax revenues.
@RS-lw9cd
@RS-lw9cd 5 месяцев назад
You must remember that you will have to pay the tax on the money you contribute to a traditional 401k or traditional IRA, eventually when withdrawn. And if you have any left over after you pass away, that tax liability will transfer over to your heirs. Yes, it sounds great to be able to contribute pre-tax income that is put into those accounts without paying the taxes at that time. However, you have to look at those accounts as having the government as a "partner" or having the government's hand in your pocket. When you withdraw from the 401K or IRA, you will be taxed as ordinary income, and that bill will be higher than you think. And it may hurt to pay income taxes on the amount contributed to a Roth IRA or Roth 401K up front, but you won't have to ever pay taxes (or their earnings/investment gains) on the amount in those accounts after that.
@TheFirstRealChewy
@TheFirstRealChewy 5 месяцев назад
The government is involved in everything. The best way to proceed is to run a business. Create a legitimate business around everything you do.
@MechE11B
@MechE11B 5 месяцев назад
If you think that this cannot change due to a debt "emergency." I got a bridge to sell you.
@austingonzalez1148
@austingonzalez1148 5 месяцев назад
How does putting a cap on the total amount saved make it harder to save? We can calculate the cost of a middle class retirement, past that point, congratulations, but we don't need to subsidize or incentivize additional saving.
@justthebrttrk
@justthebrttrk 5 месяцев назад
It's not up to you how much people decide to save. And some people may want a lifestyle upgrade in retirement or move to a higher COL area or retire early. Middle class is not the same everywhere. These laws need to account for the highest COL areas in order to be fair.
@frankish5314
@frankish5314 5 месяцев назад
Traditional 401k's and IRAs are even more attractive in income tax States. In Oregon they take your AGI (i.e after 401k/IRA deductions) in order to assess the State income tax So you can avoid both Fed and State taxes on the witheld money. You can also move to a non income tax State prior to RMD age and thus avoid the State tax on the way in and on the way out. I maxed out all the pre tax savings I could between 2003 and 2014 and invested in stock market index funds.. I'm sure glad I did!
@sdhVid
@sdhVid 5 месяцев назад
Thank you.
@OldFramer
@OldFramer 5 месяцев назад
As someone that grew up poor and was told over and over that only people that are born with a silver spoon will ever have any money; I can tell you that those same people also turned around and spent money on cigarettes, booze and "extracurricular" activities that would have funded their retirement. If the poor are being disproportionately affected, it is 99% due to the choices they make.
@jimfarmer7811
@jimfarmer7811 5 месяцев назад
I grew up in poverty but I worked hard and invested my money. I retired early with a million dollar net worth. Any high school graduate could be millionaire when he retired if he works hard and lives frugally.
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely correct!
@mikepiper6077
@mikepiper6077 5 месяцев назад
Also seen where family wealth was squandered by children and grandchildren. One generation created wealth and following generations , due to alcohol or drug abuse or financial mismanegment, family wealth slipped through their fingers through a myriad of poor choices.
@donjohnson3701
@donjohnson3701 5 месяцев назад
I worked hard, saved my money, lived frugally, paid my taxes, but they still want more.........I should have been a politician!
@dstevens518
@dstevens518 5 месяцев назад
There's no point in smearing either the rich or the poor, there are bad actors in both camps. BUT it's true the system is skewed in favour of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, and needs to be changed to allow a level playing field for all. THEN you can say, well, you had the same opportunity as everyone else, so you screwed yourself... While it's absolutely true you're still responsible for yourself no matter how unfair the system is, it's harder to say unequivocally you did poorly cause it's all your fault. Uhmm, not exactly...
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh
@JohnWilliams-kj3rh 5 месяцев назад
Erin, you are 100% correct. The authors of this plan are completely wrong, and it would devastate retirement savings if their recommedations were followed. It is ludicrous to think that any increased tax revenue would actually go to prop-up Social Security. Congress would find other ways to spend that revenue!
@leisure057blank3
@leisure057blank3 5 месяцев назад
Back in the day,I had subscriptions to Money, Kiplingers, could also read Forbes, and there were a few other magazines. I started researching mid 80s. Started investing with no match In my employer tax differed plan in early 90s. Roth had not started yet and I did this on top of my pension. I can say I do wish I had paid more attention when Roths began, but I just set everything and forgot it. Now I find myself having more retirement income than I did when I was working or I will when I start collecting it. I also did some research on line from financial websites.
@leisure057blank3
@leisure057blank3 5 месяцев назад
I was lower income
@77magicbus
@77magicbus Месяц назад
You look a lot like the actress Helen Hunt. Great video. I am retired and probably over saved, but I don't regret it.
@jabow1878
@jabow1878 5 месяцев назад
The problem is that everyone cannot participate in 401k. If you have the option you can save 30k in 401 and IRA per year. If not covered you have 7k to save. Amount you can save should be the same for all.
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 5 месяцев назад
Good reason to find another job. Force businesses like that to get with 2024 times and open up 401k offerings.
@np5246
@np5246 5 месяцев назад
@2:07 The real question is "who deserves the savings? An inefficient government that wastes money on nonsense wars, overpaid bureaucrats, and dishonest politicians? Or an individual who is being smart and responsible with personal financial planning?" The government doesn't have a "lack of funding" problem. It has a "mismanagement of funding" problem.
@jirehguy
@jirehguy 5 месяцев назад
How does mismanagement of money in wars, which is valid, have anything to do with the separately funded program of social security?
@bucknut9475
@bucknut9475 5 месяцев назад
Exactly. They took in about $4T last year. They over spent by $2T. And the they STILL managed not to solve a single problem.
@np5246
@np5246 5 месяцев назад
@@jirehguy Millions of dollars spent on a war is millions of dollars that could've went to social security. In other words, there's no guarantee that the extra tax revenue will actually be fully used (if at all) on social security.
@MechE11B
@MechE11B 5 месяцев назад
Say it louder for those in the back!
@Zachary_Setzer
@Zachary_Setzer 5 месяцев назад
One of the craziest things I learned in Income Taxation class was this idea the government has that every dollar they don't tax is an "expenditure" from the Treasury. In other words, every dollar is theirs, and whatever they let you keep is largesse. Utterly shocking.
@8731Cordova
@8731Cordova 5 месяцев назад
Excellent analysis
@kirkleadbetter1093
@kirkleadbetter1093 5 месяцев назад
Remove the income cap on SS taxes. Include stock options as well.
@Alex-yz6cv
@Alex-yz6cv 5 месяцев назад
Yes!!!!! Why aren’t we hearing more discussion about this? This should be the first thing they do if they need more money for social security. It will come from people with greater incomes by definition.
@danh2716
@danh2716 5 месяцев назад
I'm guessing both of you are safely under the current cap... Big suprise.
@efnuti
@efnuti 5 месяцев назад
Classic - “From each according to his means, to each according to their needs”.
@danh2716
@danh2716 5 месяцев назад
@@efnuti Right? Instead of couching it as an obvious mathematical correction, I don't get why these types of people don't just come out and clearly say, "I think the government should take more of your money to solve the problem we've created."
@Alex-yz6cv
@Alex-yz6cv 5 месяцев назад
@@danh2716 I’ve been hitting the cap for decades.
@Gsnwebeenjejmss
@Gsnwebeenjejmss 3 месяца назад
Despite the fact that I invest, I am saddened by my inability to evaluate each company's performance and determine whether or not this is the ideal time to purchase stocks. My monetary stockpile is being depleted by inflation. At this stage, I need accurate market trajectory data, but I'm not sure what to do.
@Vajsbsbssjssmsnsk
@Vajsbsbssjssmsnsk 3 месяца назад
I just sold a property in Portland and I'm thinking to put the cash in st0cks, I know everyone is saying its ripe enough, but Is this a good time to buy st0cks? How long until a full re-covery? How are other people in the same market raking in over $200k gains with months, I'm really just con-fused at this point.
@RimaFawver
@RimaFawver 3 месяца назад
Many people are still getting fantastic returns on their investments during this time. Simply maintain a strong sense of reality or ask for professional assistance.
@Qiana-ng9jv
@Qiana-ng9jv 3 месяца назад
I made more than $320,000, showing that there are more components of the market than the ordinary person is aware of. Having a financial consultant is currently the recommended course of action, especially for people nearing retirement.
@CamiDatamphay
@CamiDatamphay 3 месяца назад
That does make a lot of sense, good for you though, unlike me, you seem to have the Market figured out. Who is this consultant?
@MairaGudroe
@MairaGudroe 3 месяца назад
I wholeheartedly concur, which is why I appreciate giving an investment coach the power of decision-making. Given their specialized expertise and education, as well as the fact that each and every one of their skills is centered on harnessing risk for its asymmetrical potential and controlling it as a buffer against certain unfavorable developments, it is practically impossible for them to underperform. I have made over $576k figures working with an investment coach for more than two years.
@TreyGaspard
@TreyGaspard Месяц назад
I’m glad you mentioned the cap on income….. why are people not screaming about this?? Every one gets taxed at fica rate for ALL incomes…… seriously this would have to solve many problems!!!!
@matthewkearney4389
@matthewkearney4389 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video. Don’t get me wrong, I love my 401k and should get pretty close to maxing it out this year but I think you dismissed the research paper too lightly. You showed great facts about access to 401ks, participation rates and median balances. All those data points showed that 401ks aren’t working for the average American. Sure 401ks are relatively new but someone that is 55+ has still had robust access to 401ks and online finance information for at least the last 20 years so it is extremely problematic that their median balance is only $70k. I think another talking point you missed is the fact that companies can “match” $46k into someone’s 401k which only benefits the highest income earners. I think your ultimately point about making retirement savings easier is absolutely correct but there is definitely a lot more to hash out on this topic.
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 5 месяцев назад
Oh no 185B in lost taxes! We're sending ANOTHER 90B to Ukraine. How about not sending that and putting into SS?
@Insightfill
@Insightfill 5 месяцев назад
Wildly, that "185 billion" figure is almost exactly what the IRS reported collecting last year in previously uncollected money from high earners - just from enforcing the existing code.
@jacoblynch9862
@jacoblynch9862 5 месяцев назад
I think there are two basic problems with a 401(k) number one most people do not start early enough and I get it to a point when you’re young and you’re not making much money it’s hard to chuck money you don’t feel like you have for retirement you feel you will never make it to But starting early and being consistent is very important and number two diversify it don’t put all of it in that safe category because what your leg to believe is you won’t lose any money in that safe category and chances are you won’t but you’re also not gaining any. That’s the problem What you’re not told is if you put it in the safe category you will actually gain a ton of money. The reason they call it not safe category is because it’s like a roller coaster. It goes up and down very frequently, but at the end of the day the average is much higher and that’s what’s important But too many people wanna play it completely safe and they don’t actually gain Jack on their money
@shaw7598
@shaw7598 5 месяцев назад
Amazing proposal. I’m moved to tears by the government concern for the elderly
@johnprinty6939
@johnprinty6939 5 месяцев назад
Great video! I do wonder how ss will play out given the obvious funding shortfall coming this decade
@TheKrillWillRule
@TheKrillWillRule 5 месяцев назад
I would love to opt-out of social security and invest the money myself.
@AaronCMounts
@AaronCMounts 4 месяца назад
8:55 - Late Gen X and Early Millennial parents need to start the ball rolling on this for their kids. By the time your kids reach adolescence, you need to quietly start a retirement fund for each of them, in their names. Fund it to the tune of about $800 to $1600 per year, into a separate brokerage account under your financial advisor's management and your control. That way, they'll already be starting out on the right foot for long term growth, accelerating the snowball effect and they'll have something to watch and contribute to as they progress through their own working lives.
@williamrogers1219
@williamrogers1219 5 месяцев назад
Social Security has a funding problem due to its pay-as-you-go system where there are about 3 workers for each retiree compared with 30 workers for each retiree in the 1930s. The issue with 401k plans is their captive nature based on the plan provided by the employer including expensive fund options. Workers should be allowed to select the low-cost provider of their choice (e.g., Fidelity, Vanguard, etc.), and the company match should be deposited in the account selected by the employee. 401k plans should not have the ability to either withdraw their money or take out loans to prevent leakage. We can't borrow from our future Social Security benefits, thus we should not be able to do that in a 401k plan. SECURE 2.0 did not address the expensive plans nor did they address the maximum differences for retirement accounts for workers without access to a 401k plan and those without.
@scarling9367
@scarling9367 5 месяцев назад
That's why there's a penalty to early withdrawal. At the end of the day, that 401k is my money (minus taxes).
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