So now everybody will be talking and complaining about range... It is just normal. All depends on average speed, weight, vertical ascent and very important is also how much energy you add by legs. I have range 28km when riding full throttle and battery 840Wh. (I am lazy now and not giving much energy by legs) People realizing more Watts is more fun? ;)) Check M560 motor, 1250W conti! DJI motor would not see me in 200m. :)
On my Turbo Levo with 700 Watt Battery I ride in full power mode all the time. Long trails with small rolling hills can usually go about 25 miles before battery is done also big steep uphill climbs will drain your battery way quicker than smaller rolling hills.
I think people sleep on bosch. I have gen 4 Trek rail with gen 4 bosch motor at 750W. I have done 55 km rides in only turbo mode and im 6.8 ft and 100 kilo. Bosch is beast when it comes to power and let me tell you that after doing 58km in turbo mode i still had about 10 percent left.
That QuadLock is great, but I would highly recommend their vibration dampener to go with it. I didn't and the vibration wrecked my camera on my Samsung Galaxy S21 phone.
Isn't the SRAM powertrain identical to the engine from Specialized Turbo? Thanks for the video, I'm looking forward to my amflow. However, I didn't like the rattling when going downhill ;)
Did the test also today with my Levo and the AMFlow and the Levo is a bit more effecient but the DJI motor is so much powerfull and the Bike so playfull.
Thanks for the review. You do a good job on your videos, and work hard at it i see... but did you say you're gonna do a "long term" review in "2 weeks" ??? I can't see the point in that...
It's interesting that the Giant would get the shortest amount of range I get pretty good range with my 2022. I'm not doubting where it sit's compared to others it just tells me I could expect to go even farther with other motor systems unless the drivetrain including the tires and wheels were a major factor in that out come because they were setup so differently?
Great vid Sam! I've heard it's so powerful that Eco mode can be compared to some other motors in Boost. This would mean giving ample assistance just in Eco. Is this true? If so, how much further is the range if you rode it in Eco until the battery is dead? How many nm of torque is there in Eco?
Great video as always and surprising that if it's giving it's peak of 850 (which is what turbo is supposed to do) it doesn't burn through that 800Wh quicker. I guess it becomes rider based at some point. I still worry that the governemnt is going to clamp down on these at some point especially if companies keep pushing the limits like this and bragging about it. 850Wh in 2.75 hrs is 290W avg which is obviously more than the 250W continuous allowed for a pedelec in the uk and that includes the time spent descending.
@@SamsBikes Not sure about Spain but in the UK ebikes are getting quite a bit of bad press because gangs are using E motor bikes to commit crimes, I've seen quite a few comments that they should be banned. Unfortunately, most people don't understand the difference between ebikes and something like a Surron.
@@curtrichardson8002 sure is, it actually makes it too slow to keep up with normal bikes in traffic. On the other hand there are several people that ride around our town not pedalling doing 30
Pha, on 800Wh I would do 200km with ascending 2000 m. I have 400Wh battery on my Cube AMS Hybrid and without any problems I do 100km with ascending 1200m.
With Powerplay the power is relational to input to so pedaling harder will produce much less range. On a gen4 750Wh my range usually was 60km on turbo where as on Powerplay 720Wh it's 50km. That is on a normal ride on a hard ride I would expect the range to be slightly less. Where as Bosch tends to give you full power for a wide range. Bosch will still go fast putting 100 watts on pedals but Powerplay doesn't. I have 4500km on gen4 and 2500km on Powerplay.
This doesn’t seem that impressive to me. My brother and I recently did a bike trip to the Sierras in California. One of the trails is a 34 mile ride with a 4300’ climb folowed by a 4300’ descent and a 6-7 mile flat road ride back to the shop where we rented the bikes. We rented Santa Cruz Hecklers with the Shimano Ep 801 motor and 750 watt batteries. We did the entire ride in a mix of Turbo and Boost and still had a full bar left at the end. I am 200lbs in full gear and ride fairly aggressively. This was 4300’ of proper steep big mountain climbing. Our time on the bike was nearly 4 hours. I would consider a 2 1/2 hr ride to be fairly short. Am I missing something?
Ok. Forgive the ignorance of a Yank when it comes to meters vs feet. I did the calculations and 1721 meters is 5646 feet. That is impressive considering the overall weight of the bike. Weight is very important to me. The lightweight bikes are far superior ro me. My dream bike would be this motor/battery combo in a Kenevo SL. I haven’t found any Ebike that handles as well as my Kenevo Sl, but range anxiety is definitely a problem.
i'm surprised of the difference between the SRAM and Levo, since it's the same motor.... bike efficiency with the suspension design might play a bigger role than we think... The Amflow has a very similar suspension design to the Levo, and they are both in top 3. Sam, do you have the total climbing duration on your stats ? Assuming you barely use any battery going down, if you divide the Wh battery capacity by the time climbing, you could get the REAL WORLD power average of each motor. Assuming that in turbo (about 3.5x to 4x your input), you probably extract 100% of the power available by the motor, cuz your leg input only have to be about 175w to max out the motor, and that your gradient is fairly steady on that fire road. I did those math on my EP8, my climb takes 9min for 185meter of vertical, and it takes 10-11% of my 900wh battery, that gives me around 600w of average power output. I've got to admit that i'm a 6'3 195lbs guy, and my average heart rate is around 170-180bpm when climbing, so i definitely push enough on the pedal to get maximum assist.
Yep I was surprised too at the difference in the SRAM and Levo. It must be battery quality or software or both. Honestly the SRAM system was very average in almost every aspect. Maybe check out the extreme range test it gives more details. Also don’t read too much into the times of the rides. This was in summer and at my local trails so I know a lot of people I stop and talk to
@@SamsBikes don't worry, I listen to every video you put out. On paper, electric motor are very efficient, and the diffence between them should not be that much. But rated efficiency is at a specific rpm and power input, and is normally not at max power. The fact that the DJI is able to deliver 1000w is a testament that both motor AND battery are able to deliver that power, but it is probably not super efficient while doing so. The engineer have to choose the sweet spot, where they think the motor is most likely to be use, and design it around that, while keeping the size/weight low. The same thing apply to battery design. Not every battery can deliver the same punch with the same efficiency, that's why some heat up more than other. Take for example the DJI drone battery, they can empty their capacity in less than 20 minutes... that is no small feat... My guess is that DJI are a lot more competent than the other manufacturer to design a complete system that optimize all aspect (power, size/weight, efficiency), because they had no choice to do it while making drone, and they improve that on many iteration.
