Shoot Between Jason Lanier and Ken Wheeler the Angry Photographer, Sony A9 and the Fuji GFX 

Questions about the shoot- I plan on recording a video today answering questions about this shoot since there are so many people wanting to know a lot of behind the scenes stuff.....so please post your questions as a reply to this comment. I will answer your questions in the video I make today...:) Thanks! Jason

Well at least we now know why Ken doesn't post any of his work. Absolutely terrible, overexposed rubbish. Not even in the same ballpark.

I just seen a video Ken made on lighting recommendations.. He talks about how you really need fast recycle times so your not left standing there looking like an "idiot" waiting on the flash to recycle. But, here he is walking around with a lampshade on a string. I really am at a loss for words.

3200 ISO on a sunny day and wide angle for portraits? I guess I've been doing it wrong. haha.

the thumbnail is so savage lol

Jason Lanier sets a good example for his people, he was very kind to AP during this shoot and I can't sing his praises enough!

Love it how Jason walks of and Ken manages to almost talk himself into trouble then almost gives the cops ID when he had no reason to.

Got my popcorn for these comments ;)

Why is Ken using 1000 ISO on such a bright day

2 bad photographers...

You're a nice guy, Jason. I'm glad you guys did this.

LOL "you should've told them you were Fro knows photo & I was Matt Granger"!

The angry photographer gotta get his game up! Compared to Jason's shots it's clear that he's more of a gear guy not a photographer.

I loved this video Jason. Superb. I think you and Ken are really good together as hosts. Thank you for sharing.

This was just uncomfortable until the photographers found the shade. There was a need for a large reflector to balance the harsh overhead light. Sparring was embarrassing. The light improved and the pictures got better. Ken needed an assistant or, a stand or, even a bracket for his flash. He set himself up a little. An XT3 and some good primes and, a good strobe and, a reflector and he could have moved around and freed his creative brain to get the images. His overly close proximity to the model could have been a factor in getting the model to look relaxed. The Horse Park was a distraction. They should have gone really early in the morning and got some more reportage style backgrounds and fewer distractions. I think they should plan a shoot together and act as assistants for each other. The dialogue would be more interesting and they could do a joint pop-up exhibition. Jason’s first shot bordered on parody, was it sharpened? Every crumb of makeup was revealed. Both photographers had good moments and some work in post could be more compelling. This was hard going.

Ken did not edit photos out of camera just so you all know. You can do allot in Lightroom and photoshop. I would like to see Jason's raw file for the real comparison on images. If you are comparing camera gear show raw files.

I simply see 60/40 keepers , on Jason shots - and ... i gotta say (though i like to watch Ken´s channel , more and more )i saw 40/ 60 keepers from Ken´s shots - a pretty substantiel "Win" for Jason ...(whom i never really liked to watch - but i ..gotta state - he´s a damn good photographer)

I'm actually very disappointed with Ken Wheeler. From all his videos, I would have thought he was a better photographer. He might knew his tech but he don't know his camera setting (ISO 3200 and 1/900 or 1/2900) (ISO1600, 1/950).

Well done, both. It's nice to see real communication rather than sniping.

Well Jason ..you made him look like a fool ..i love it !

The difference between portraits and snaps, demonstrated very well here.

Way to go Ken. I am proud to see you out shooting a model. And cracking jokes.

I like that Honeycomb Beauty Dish Ken is using... It's compact.. pretty handy when you don't want a stand.. The drawback though is you have to be close to the subject... as I noticed putting a filter when using HSS to my Speedlight(Sony HVL-58am) greatly reduces the lighting. Tiffany is great too. Simple but Beautiful.

Oh my god! My fan fiction dreams came true! Ken and Jason made a video together. How the hell do you guys know each other?!?

Love this video! Just found it!!!! Two of my favorite youtube photogs. It's like watching the odd couple. Cool cats, but in extraordinarly different ways. I have to say Jason you hands down are far better at the model shoot. Beutiful pics on the fly with just a camera and lens. Ken spends way too much time in his cave avoiding people, and obviously not nearly as comfortable working with models. Ken also brought his beast camera to maybe win the Big Dick camera contest when he could have brought any of a dozen other cameras that would have worked much better. Limited his lens choice and it showed. So what if you can count every one of her poors if the pics are Meh to average. This opens my eyes to Ken being a bit of a photo gear weenie. Biggest, best, 5 of every high end camera, but what dose he do with them. I would love to see the product pics he always talks about. I would love to see a model shoot out between you two armed with only pentax k1000's, or the digital equivalent.......Nikon D50's, or any other basic, basic low end consumer camera. Jason, you would win hands down there is no doubt.

Jason shouldn't have edited his pictures just like Ken. I see a lot of Jason's pictures with heavy HDR effect, I don't find that attractive at all but he has some that are good. Ken is fun to watch and he knows about gear and likes to advice people. I'm not a huge fan of any of these two guys photography work but I support their work. I like Lisa Holloway a lot better, she's a good photographer and her editing skills are amazing.

*I have to bring more gear next time, that has to be why I failed so badly*

We need a side by side view at the end haw much Lightroom/photoshop editing did you all do All pic look good may be you will be shooting buddies love at first camera! Next swap cameras??

when the model came in to say "hello" was soooooo funny! so cool to see Jason vs Ken...... (not gonna say what do i think of ken´s photos, but i think he is an amazing youtube comedian)

The longer lense gives a great perspective. Ken's shots look nice when cropped, but Jason kills it.

best video yet.

I think I’m going to start making RU-vid videos bashing Jason Lanier and photography skills. Then maybe I could have a one on one shoot with him! That would be freaking AWESOME!! Lol

Jason and Ken...thank you for being great examples to the photography community! Please don't pay any attention whatsoever to all of these "internet critics" who don't have the real "cajones" to make some of these comments if y'all were face to face! It trips me out how people can just be so reckless with their words when they can just type it out and hit send with no recourse...quite cowardly! Anyways, Jason keep it up man...God Bless! Ken, keep sharing...God Bless! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

This Ken fella isn't a professional Photographer, no offence. Then again, I don't know if he claims to be.

Two great legends in their own minds!

Wherever the shadows are pointing is where you should be taking the picture from.

Jason put as much distance from the "Angry HACK Photographer" you can, my best advice

How come I never saw this video! Damn ok no this just confirmed to me that Ken is no photographer, Fiji needs to ban him from using their cameras, he makes Fuji look bad like really bad.

I love you very much and love the way you photograph and wish I brought with you a workshop I learn from you the secrets of photography

Amazing how diferently the model responded to the diferent photographers !!!!

The Charisma Matrix guy would have a field day on this video

Awesome that Fuji GFX camera! I shot with the A9....Not my kind of camera to be honest.....

LOL! It looks like it was a fun shoot!

I think this is just great!

I would have liked to see that 12 stop Dinamic range on that GFX be exploited in those harsh lighting conditions.

I think it's unfair to the camera manufacturers to list the camera model with the actual photos. Instead you should label the photos, "Professional with a good camera" and "Lousy photographer with a great camera."

jasons shots came out much better and the model is reacting better with the longer lens not being too close to the model

Great show!!! Jason, you are amazing at what you do! Ken, I've also learned so much from your channel. I appreciate you both and I thank you for making great videos that inspire us all to snap that shutter, just one more time!

"its good to see ken shooting, its what photographers should do." I nearly spat alnover the screen. jason lay a bit lower on that shade buddy.

This really isn't much of a comparison. You cannot compare the size of the GFX Medium format to the A9. Ken needed to bring the XT-2 or something like that. 24mp vs 24mp, just DX vs FX but I have to tell you, if I were shopping for the GFX, this would not be a video that would help me buy one......A9 maybe but not GFX.

I like both photographers and follow both channels for their own merits. Only in my opinion, Jason outshoots Ken on the portraits. But maybe this is something to expect if this is not Ken's preferred topic. Not that kens images were bad, just preferred Jason's on this one.

This video is the proof that gear does not matter,.... That poor 10k$ GFX set

You would be angry too if you paid that much for camera gear & still took bad pictures

Every HSS photo he took had a blown out sky. I think he missed the point of HSS.

*Ken takes all his shots in Trash Priority Mode*

You have to work full time to make the gfx look so mediocre

I can imagine Polin doing a critique of this and going "Snapshot..... snapshot.....snapshot" on all Ken's images. They were bad.

Ken's shots are AMAAAAZING, for a five year old with a 1978 Kodak instamatic with a through and through viewfinder. Epic compositions and shadowy exposures with that incredible "beauty box" he's wielding.

Comment on the shoot- I wrote this on my blog and have also written it on Facebook. But I wanted to leave a comment so people can see it here as well. I'm grateful that Ken took me up on the offer to meet and shoot. It took courage for him to do so and I applaud him for doing it. I found Ken to be nothing but kind, courteous and very sweet. Ken chose to send in his shots unedited, while I edited my shots. Those were decisions that we both made. There were absolutely no pre conditions to this shoot. We could bring whatever gear we wanted and edit the shots however much we wanted. Ken focuses on gear, I focus on shooting. As a professional photographer and shooter I choose to finish my work. Ken shoots far less and chose to post his shots unedited. To be honest with everyone, I really could care less how great Ken's shots turned out. I was so happy to see him out there and shooting which is something I've been challenging him to do for years. He earned my respect for his courage to do this, not for any photography skills that he possesses....great or small. I'm sure we'll have comments positive and negative....but my hope is that we can look at this event as a positive of two former rivals coming together and sharing a great day together. I'll ask my followers to please be respectful with your comments towards Ken. It's fair for anyone to say what they think of the video and shoot, but I just encourage my followers in Fedora Nation to keep it classy. Let's be the example of the best photography community out there....because that's what I'm trying to build...::) Thanks, Jason

Ken is the absolute epiphony of "all the gear, no idea" - the man has absolutely no clue what he is doing, its a shame because people out there are actually listening/watching that man for guidance!

Angry seems clueless. Who shoots at 3200 iso and a shutter speed of 1/2900 when the subject is stationary? What would be the purpose of that? Like they say in Texas “he’s all hat and no cattle”.

Thought i would finally watch this video in its entirety, and what a complete and utter shocker it is! 1, Kens white balance is terrible, too green, which is caused by all that foliage and green grass, no compensation for the green hues, at all. 2, Where is the bokeh? Images that needed the bokeh lacked bokeh immensely, the back grounds were so untidy and distracting. 3, Kens light mod just failed big time, too many shiny skin reflections, sometimes to the point where her skin looked greasy, such ugly highlights/hotspots! 4, Also on the subject of that light mod, surely the reason to bring in a second light source for a shoot is to bring overall balance to an images exposure? Why then, are the backgrounds all blown out? Where is the detail in the sky? Why are the images incorrectly exposed? 5, He never stoops down lower to get a flattering angle, all his images were shot from above her eye level, which does work well, but sadly not in any of kens images here, the poses look so awkward from that angle, the image of her with her arms up and over her head by the barn door was so amateurish that it was embarrassing. 6, He does not fully understand what high key exposures really are, as id evident around 18 minutes into the video. 7, He seems like he is using a wider angle lens when he gets in close, the distortion to the poor girls face makes her look like a stroke victim ffs! Photography is not an easy thing to learn i guess, but surely with all the years he claims to have been a photographer, surely his images should be much, much better than this? His skill set seems to be just one notch up from the guy who uses on-camera flash to shoot a sunset! The images look like my images when i first picked a camera up over 30 years ago! There is absolutely no finesse in his work, no artistry, no creativity (aside from that silly light mod), and barely any understanding of exposure if these images are anything to go by. Taking photography advice from him is like being given cookery lessons from someone who cannot boil an egg properly!

After an evening on researching Ken I’ve concluded two things; he’s all the gear and no idea and; I’m gonna go ahead and ignore his z6ii review and pull the plug and get one.

He had no idea what he is doing 😂😂😂 these pictures are worse than mobile pictures

Jason you just destroyed him !!! Seriously Ken Wheeler You have no clue whatsoever about photography !!!

Boy oh boy, Ken.... better keep your ass behind your desk in the basement and never open that door again! And please never get your gear out ever again! This was embarrasing!!!

I bet Wheeler regrets doing this photo shoot. Clearly, he is no photographer. Not even a good amateur one. Lanier probably could have beaten Wheeler with a smartphone or a ten year old compact camera. I actually feel bad for Wheeler.

you got to have balls when you shoot ISO 1000 in bright daylight :D

Ken produces the average photos for an amateur, and Jason the average photos for any photographer with a decent amount of time in the bussines. No saying that they suck, but i dont see anything special either...

Did Jason say we should have said we were Fro Knows and Matt Granger? LOL

The Angry Photographer's response and interaction with the police is hilarious, he's such a wimpy suckup. No backbone Wheeler!

jason got the clarity slider on +1000

AP completely blew out the skies.. he doesn't know what he is doing. Only reason he is known is because he posts religiously on youtube. As a photographer he makes a good camera collector.

The angry photographers results were stunningly awful. I am sorry but they were disappointing. I could have done better with my Sony rx10 m4.

13:15 "say something funny I like the laugh" - how about that: You're using ISO 3200! lol

This whole thing is just awkward.

1/2900th sec, f/4, iso 3200...um...what the FUCK? It's like he had the camera in full automatic mode and it just said fuck it, we're playing exposure roulette. Also, I don't think he edited his images at all.

Some horrible pictures in there. That Ken setup looks rediculous.

I was hoping they'd swap cameras just for the hell of it. I wanted to see what Jason could do with that Fuji.

whaaaat? am i in another dimension? jason and the angry photographer together in a photoshoot? shooting the shit and whatnot? i just dont beleive my eyes

I'm just amused that ken talks so much crap and just manages to reinforce the truth that good gear doesn't make good photos.

Such bad photographers ...

I forgot how cringe-worthy this video is/was to watch. They both seem very fake with one another. I do appreciate the willingness to try, though.

JEEZ that dude Ken for such a gear head cannot take a photograph - he stands in exactly the same position every single time, no movement, no angles, no creativity - not to mention his framing/composition is absolutely dreadful, blown out overexposed shots to boot.

$10K camera with $0.10 images. 🤭 The least you could have done Jason was to offer AP a free pass to your workshop 😆

Oh man.. I'm speechless. I feel sorry for people who pays to go to your workshop..

OMG Ken Wheeler is a horrible photographer!!! Can’t believe he once criticized Fro. Ken is astonishingly bad

Cringing....I couldn't watch this sorry. You need to give him a some lessons. OMG. Fuji should take away his camera.

Ken Wheeler. Proof no matter the gear, it’ll never make you a photographer. What hot garbage

As much as I have learned from Jason, I can definitely take better photos with my phone as compared to what ken has done there.......shame on the $10,000 worth of gear

I just can't stop my Rolleiflex from laughing........

Ken wheeler photographs are real stupid . I mean they look like phone snapshots.

Whoa! What's going on here? You guys squashed your issues with each other? if so, nice to see man.

geese, look at all the hate, can you not understand this is about building bridges and becoming better as people, not who has the biggest balls, get a grip. thank you Jason and ken for a very entertaining video.

It just goes to show *~ It's not the tool... it's the tool ~* Not the tool in the hands (or hand) it is the tool between the ears (or not) How embarrassing, telling...

poor fuji...haha...fuji is nice camera...but went people dont know how to use camera it get bad image, and the triangle exposure is basic to be a photography...how can he shot f4...5 for portrite...and use high iso for sunny day

If I was Fuji I would sue Ken for this

I'm not even surprised about AP's terrible shots. I always knew he's not a real photographer. Anyone can hang on RU-vid and photography forums long enough to know about camera and lenses and actually start sounding like he knows photography. I busted this guy long ago when I asked to see his portfolio and he couldn't show shit.

if you notice AP really doesn't understand light . Apart from incorrect exposure he also doesn't pay attention to the light falling on the models face. In many of AP pics the nose has an ungainly highlight which ruins the photo. Jason saw this and his pics look amazing. I think its time AP really goes back to the drawing board and learns about light.

I feel bad for the model.. the work by both is so subpar how do people like this teach people when they over process, don't know how to shoot worth a crap and hardly use light or shade in a fashion that actually can produce good photography. I guess you have to learn somewhere but so many bad techniques especially in the retouching side of things. Tone down on the Frequency Separation holy crap. Would rather have 2 people use video instead of having an assistant with a bounce card or a reflector or and scrim or anything that can help these photos work. (1 video, one assistant).