Shooting .38 Super in .38 Special and .357 Magnum Revolvers 

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Well it fits dammit !!! 😳

@@firestorm8471 its always going to fit .bit will stretch a mile before it rips a inch

Stretch is good,,,,,,very, very good..😎

@@firestorm8471 10lb people come out of that hole . Your 6 0z weiner isn't going to stretch anything

Seriously. I don't own a .38 Special or a .357, and I seriously doubt I will ever buy a .38 Super. Yet I find this extremely interesting anyway.

Suddenly my 357 mag cut for moon clips can shoot 4 calibers!!! 357 mag, 38 special, 380acp, and 38 super!!!! Thanks Paul! 👍😉

@@texas66 And .38 Largo. And 9×21? 9×23 Winchester?

Time flys. Especially it's about wheelguns

My favorite Paul videos are like this one, where he gets super autisty. :)

@Henry Murphy Thanks for the reply. I didn’t know that 38 Super is even higher MAP allowance than 357 Magnum but isn’t that the way things go? Someone wants similar velocities out of a smaller cartridge and the result is even higher pressures.

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​@@johnwaddell4107 what???

​@Henry Murphy just curious, how can the 38 super have higher pressure than the 357, but be 200 fps slower?

@Henry Murphy Damn, big difference over the .38 Special. Had no idea there was that much of a difference. Most revolvers can handle much higher pressures than the ammo they were designed to shoot... but that don't mean people should chance it. I had an x-brother in law shave down .357 magnum rounds to fit in his .38 revolver. I assume it was a .38 Special revolver, but he had to shave the .357 mags all the way down to the case to get them to fit... and if it was a .38 Special revolver, then they likely would have fit without having to be shaved down that far... so I'm not 100% certain on the real caliber. (It didn't say the caliber on the revolver itself). Would have loved to see the POS try to shoot it with those rounds in it though.

The only problem I could see with firing .38 super in .357, is the hammer striking too deep in the .38 super primer, which would cause it to potentially burn out the back of the case. This seems unlikely though. GP 100, L frames and N frames are very strong revolvers so they should have zero problems with .38 operating pressures.

If I got a case of .38 Super Auto ammo free, I'd be out looking to buy a .38 Super Auto pistol to go with it.

@@gregb6469 No shit, a Rock Island arsenal 1911 in .38 super is $475. I looked it up and saw cases of the ammo going for $475 at minimum.

Good excuse to buy a .38 super government model!

Love my gp100, built like a freaking tank. I know that's been said thousands of times but it's true

Anything with cylinders, eh Dev?

@@StringerNews1 hah, yes indeed! 👍😁👍

2 of the most information dense RU-vid content creators in 1 video...

Same, I don't particularly care about lift systems, but I still watch your videos about them, as its very interesting :)

Surprised to see you here man

The man is a true Pro

As soon as I saw him do it I was impressed, typical Paul

Definitely no Yankee Marshall. lol.

Exactly.. came here to mention that.

Use a rem 7 1/2 small rifle BR primer and they won't let you down.

.38 Super rim thickness: 0.050 .357mag rim thickness: 0.060 With .010 inches set-back, it's conceivable that you might get a light primer strike, if all the other tolerance stacks end up being very unfavorable.

Engineers never explain much, even in engineering school… which is why i hated engineering school

More likely a writer

I would have retained a lot more knowledge.

No kidding!!! Too bad we can’t clone Paul and replace 98% of the teachers and professors in the country

No wonder. I AM an engineer and while being a student I hated lectures with pure theory and loved ones where practical application of all those formulas was explained.

He is a true professional and fantastic instructor who holds your attention.

Sincere, thorough, informative. It is hard to find channels like this anymore.

There’s lots of honesty and truth out there but you need to know where to look. The biased google government with their ridiculous community standards make it very difficult to find because they have taken it upon themselves to decide for us what they believe we should and should not see and hear. 🤦🏻‍♂️

This is objectively untrue and hero worship. There are plenty of honest, wholesome and knowledgeable people making content on RU-vid. I love Paul but he’s not the last good guy on earth.

@@randomfist797 Think they're just giving him props for being a solid guy. We live in strange times. Perhaps a some somewhat tedious, and maybe a little pedantic, diatribe on random specifics is exactly the sort of reliability we need... Paul is the anti-hype guntuber. And it's refreshing in a sea of product and tactics videos. Maybe the best part is his solid use of reason as his favorite weapon.

I have a channel about scalping and scapling activities

I believe thats called the Darwin effect. Just in case its not generally assumed... if you use a hammer to load force load your revolver just know that you are doing it wrong. ~ not a gun expert

Wait I can do that? Brb

🤣

She’ll run

@@jatpack3 You know someone is going to do it.

It's very useful to have "Swiss Army" guns when you happen upon a store or gunshow vendor blowing out, say, ancient .32 Short or unpopular .32 Magnum for 5 cents a round and you can shoot it in your .327. I once bought 1,000 rounds of .45 Schofield for 20 bucks and use it for range days with my .45/410 Judge.

This is why I'm interested in a .327 LCR(X), but the guns themselves are impossible to find in stores

@@quinnmclaughlin7537 I miraculously acquired an LCR .327 about three months ago, following 350 rounds of assorted .327 and 32 H&R Mag without one issue, it's now my EDC. BTW, I was gifted approximately 700 rounds of 32 S&W Long and they are fun, accurate round too!

Raiders dressed in Bondage gear nice hahaha! Sounds like mad max!

The .32 Magnum can also shoot .32 acp but with less accuracy.

What do you mean requires a lot of work? I heard Paul was easy to track in the woods. In fact someone even used the exact phrase "we tracked him easy" lol

Paul is very easy to find in the woods if you're a deer.

Unless you track him easy.

Deep cuts...

During the great ammo shortage on 2020-2021 I could find tons of 6mm ARC and 6.8 Western ammo on the selves because nobody had a gun that shot those.

Yessir

I knew I was missing something!

ditto !

Tis

4.5 different cartridges. 38 colt, and 38 long colt.

@@stevenmike1878 , even 5.5 "different" calibers, if we count .38 SPL+P separately :-))

@@d.mangham5204 damn that’s true nice

@@d.mangham5204 +p+ perhaps?

@@andrewsavage1872, right! The old Treasury Load was a 110g +P+ 👍🏻

Unless you are going for a super light CCW revolver, there is really no downside to having it chambered in .357.

Paul Harrell is a national treasure, as well as ten thousand more like individuals in the country. We can't let our culture die.

357 is not that fun to shoot out of a snubby in my opinion. Stings my hands quite a bit

That's my go to EDC solution, although my reasoning has more to do with my aging hands and wrists and recoil and the fact I've been shooting revolvers throughout the last 40 years much more than my 1911s. 🙂

@@DannLikesFans yup, but the muzzle flash is impressive 🤣🤣👍

I hate it when someone is trying to teach me something and they say "um" every sentence, it makes me think that they don't know what they are talking about!

the mark of a true orator

I bought the Rock Island 22TCM/9mm convertible. With a bit of fitting a standard replacement 38 Super barrel was fitted. The factory hicap RIA mags run all three calibers

How do criminals get it then? You can get it the SAME way lol

@@theglobalistchannel1471 Criminals care a whole lot less about being locked up for 10 or more years. That could be 25+ if you actually _kill_ someone with your illegally-owned firearm, even a burglar _in your own home,_ who needless to say has *_no_* right to be there!

@@pulaski1 This is gonna sound dark but, you can't get charged if they can't find the body 🤷‍♂️ I came from a zone with cartel so that's pretty much how things run lol. Since you can't own guns, you can grab formaldehyde into a spray gun. You made a chemical weapon. When you spray that, anywhere on the skin, it makes you in complete pain for 20 mins.

@@theglobalistchannel1471 Yeah, that's dark alright. If you live in a relatively safe country and have a good job, a family, and nice things, like a house and car, then it doesn't make any sense to do something such as owning a gun when it is not legal to do so, and put your entire life at risk just for an illegal weapon. Another problem is that when guns are illegal, the sound of a gun firing will bring the police very quickly, so you might only have minutes to conceal the body, clean up the blood, and repair any damage caused by bullets. ... In short, it's not possible!

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Very interesting! Some .357 mag revolvers (like the taurus 692) also let you use 9mm ammo with a cylinder swap.

Since bullets are typically sized about 8 thousandths larger than the minor diameter of the barrel, I would expect .355" bullets to work in .357" barrels more often than not.

Yeah. Exactly. After seeing Paul do this, any other situation where trying it would be worth considering would already count as a very bad day, week, year, decade, etc.

PEEPEE JOKE HAHA

If it don't belong in there I can assure you, that question has never crossed my mind.

Any man who's been around the block certainly has!

As someone who's given years to the factory, I can agree 100%. Thousandths matter...

Exactly. Good comment.

@@BeingFireRetardant yep. Thousandths matter!!!! An example of this is the Knights Armament SR-15 rifle and why it is so much better than ANY of its’ competitors. They just work and tolerances matter significantly when it comes to firearms.

@@DaveL9170 Yes. Because we're talking about "gunpowder", I concur that thousandths matter.

. 38 super falls into my 1911 perfectly.

@RogerWilco99 That's exactly why we have proof loads, which any responsible manufacturer uses to establish a good safety margin. From what I can find it looks like the hottest .38 Special proofs are 29.5K PSI, which could be rather a problem since .38 Super Auto is specified at 36.5K PSI standard, to say nothing of proofing loads. Sounds like it's going to depend heavily on just how much more overbuilding a manufacturer is willing to do above and beyond the already generous margin built in to proofing.

Yep... words to live by, for sure.

Yep same goes for my ex girlfriend learned that the hard way just because you can doesn't mean you should LOL

@@budgetbuyoutmisc.4916 same...several times over, in fact...lmao

Hold my beer and watch this !!!

Easy work. Spent 20 years doing it. Min 12 hour days. Get a real hard job. Be a gender studies Professor. 🤣

I suppose that's if the had a 38. If it was a 357, maybe? They could have used it.

This very issue is one of the reasons why ammo is sold behind the counter in my state too many injuries from lack of knowledge (which is different from stupidity).

@@kekeke4467 so you put diapers on everyone because some do not smart things?

@@dontworrybout2664 not saying I agree with it but that was the reason given

😳thank you

Yes indeed, this gap between primer and a revolver's recoil shield is called "headspace," and excessive headspace can cause a "light strike" or even a "no strike." The tolerances necessary to get a positive primer strike that is neither too deep nor too shallow, are once again a matter of thousandths of an inch. This entire video is full of great examples of gun and ammo tolerances in design, manufacture (and wear matters, too!). "Tolerance stacking" of one variation atop the next, atop the next...at some point, malfunctions will arise.

If you read up on the history of various cartridges, there's discussion of what dimensional characteristics were important, and what were less important. Additionally some characteristics might not have been important when a particular cartridge was designed, but later have been headspaced against and are now important. Revolvers are an old idea, even predating the cartridge round. When the revolver cylinder was designed it was for cap-and-ball ammunition, with straight bore cylinders that were machined through entirely manual processes. When cartridges were invented, many cap-and-ball designs were adapted to cartridges, with the casing length being one of the easier means to control how powerful the round was. Tapers in semiautomatic pistols appear to serve the purpose of allowing further tailoring of ammunition to pistol. Tolerances are tigher and theoretically performance should be improved. The wrong ammunition simply doesn't fit into the chamber, or if it fits it doesn't align properly to let the firing pin sufficiently contact the primer reliably.

Headspaces off of the case mouth and not the rim.

@@centurian318 I’m glad somebody finally said it.

Same here. I prefer the failure drill of a revolver over an auto. Just pull the trigger again, vs the either recock the hammer for a second strike or pull the slide slightly back to reset the striker, then if that doesn't work run the slide to dump the round and feed the next one.

@@greylocke100 True unless you get a squib that puts the bullet halfway up the barrel and leaves it there.

@@Sableagle I think I know the difference between a light primer strike and and a squib. I know you weren't meaning to be derogatory, but there are some folks who DO NOT KNOW. Hence the need for training and experience.

@@greylocke100 Yah, and there's the problem: someone puts a revolver in someone else's hands, thinking there's no training necessary ...

Wheel guns are Real guns! 🙂

Well they say stupid should be painful...but it depends on the kid I'd say. A nice whelp is a good reminder as a bruise, but really don't want to have something reattached .

So don't use the forward assist 🤣🤣

And don't join a gang that requires shoulder pads and special haircuts.

If it don't belong in there trust me, the question never crossed my mind.

Just like wearing a thong: Just because you can doesn't mean you should!

@@kenore4003 It definitely doesn't cover your six.. shooter

It's almost like you shouldn't fire cartridges in guns that weren't designed for them. Amazing.

@@jimvac77 hehe

@@jimvac77 Ruger Blackhawks come with two cylinders to fire 357 or 9mm. I have one that is also made to fire 38 super. 9mm Largo and 38 super can interchange but for the same reason Mr. Harrel advised against firing 38 super in 38 special you should not. I have a bolt action rifle in 9mm Largo. Other people who also have these told me they shoot 38 super in theirs. I do not because the 38 super has higher pressure. But if you reload and 38 super will work in your 9mm Largo you can reload the super brass to Largo specs. Most Largo brass is non-reloadable surplus or aluminum case so 38 super brass is easier to come by. You may also be able to use 38 acp brass. Maybe I should have explained it better for simple minds.

@@jeremy74pow Thanks for a completely unnecessary explanation and enjoy your Destroyer carbine. P.S. - 38 ACP brass is exactly the same as 38 Super brass.

@@jeremy74pow Understood what you stated. I bought some .38acp brass years ago to use in a Astra A400. Never got around to loading it to 38acp specs.

Not gonna lie. I've done the same back in the days when I was chasing hand cannon limits. And yes you can go too far with 405gr .458 (swaged down of course) bullets in a 454. When THAT extraction is "sticky needs a rubber hammer to the extractor", you're probably over the design limits. Fortunately it was a Super Redhawk (and still is).

This. It was my first thought, before even considering whether it would physically fit.

Where does the 357 fit in with pressure? I would assume quite a bit more than 38 special, about the ballpark of super?

@@matthewbeaver5026 357 is 35,000 psi. Also, for completeness, 38 special +P is about 20,000.

SAAMI specs also tell that 38 Super casings are .384 in diameter with up to -.006 tolerance (.378 in at lowest), and .357 Magnum chamber is .3809 in diameter with up to +.004 tolerance (.3849 in at highest), which explains why only some cartridges fit in some guns. With enough tolerances going around it is no wonder that they fit, and the pressure difference is practically nothing since they are still tested at 30% above standard, and there are always some variation in pressures due to measuring tolerances of the powder.

@@matthewbeaver5026 the maximum pressure for the 357 mag is considerably higher than the 38 Super. However, it’s never a good idea to fire cartridges in a firearm they were not made for. I have not yet been able to confirm this but many years ago I spoke to a Dallas cop who worked there in 1963. They said at least one of the rounds of ammo Lee Oswald had in his 38 special revolver when he shot Officer Tibbet, was a 38 Super…