Shooting the Swiss Model 1851 Feldstutzer rifle 

Yeah. I wish for a cooperation with gun jesus one day.

Except, none of this is "forgotten."

That's convergent evolution, my dude. Same way different cultures created similar weapons like knives, swords, and spears.

With such a certain and scientific diagnosis, it's a wonder that the United States skipped that chromosome....

@B A Yeah, this totally makes the Spencer and Henry rifles look pre-historic. Can you hear my eyes rolling? Don't get me wrong, the Feldstutzer is a fine rifle, but it is technologically inferior to something like the Sharps rifle.

ostiariusalpha You might need to specify which Sharps you're referring to.Though, on the whole I agree with you except for the "superior technology" bit. There are a few arguments against that statement. The Feldstutzer or, to use it's correct name, Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851, was essentially the last of it's kind. The muzzle-loading technology was perfected and ballistics were understood by that time. That said, I don't think there was a better "suited-to-it's task" military rifle in existence in the middle of the 19th century. The Swiss tend to do things very right. They opted for dependable technology rather than unproven ideas and only went to a breechloader when it had definite demonstrable advantages over a muzzle loader. A sound, well reasoned choice. For the same reason that they didn't develop something like the Sharps, they didn't go for a needle rifle. The technology just wasn't good enough. The result was an excellent, well liked and extraordinarily accurate rifle, on parr with the Withworth yet quite a bit cheaper to make. That actually was an argument, as Switzerland, was by no means a wealthy country then as it certainly is today. Some of the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 were converted in 1867 to a Milbank-Amsler breech loading conversion but this idea was soon dropped in favour of- and replaced with the Repetiergewehr Vetterli Modell 1869/70. (Literally, so was the reasoning, to be able to "outshoot" the Prussians, should these invade.) The comparison of Swiss military weapons to their more or less contemporary American equivalents should really take the very different military doctrines, battle orders, size of the population and projected enemies into account. It should suffice to say that the USA didn't face an aggressive and expansionist Prussia. I'm sure Geronimo was a tough man to fight, but, with all due respect to the chief, he was no Möltke.

@@roanhielkema5714 I disagree almost completely. If the task is to accurately kill as many soldiers, as quickly as possible, then even the earliest Sharps was more "suited-to-its-task" then the Feldstutzer. And that is despite the obnoxious gas leak from the breech (which really wasn't any worse than a flintlock), though even there it was dealt with soon enough by a platinum ring to obdurate and seal the breech. By the time of the American Civil War, which was B A's point of reference, the Sharps completely outclassed the Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851 as a weapon of war.

First reply I guess.

No comment?

Right.

@@daveybass655 your right or my right ?

@@oppy8811 yup.

Last video on the duelist1954 channel shows flintlock kentucky rifle hits foot-long gong at 250 yards. Standing position.

From the early 1860's the British took over. Sir Joseph Whitworth was the one researching the relation between bullet length and twist rate and cane to the .451 caliber long bullet and 1:20" drall. These were a real long range rifles still used on competition up to 1200 yards today.

If only Swiss Cheese had one, central hole, then yes. :D

Defeats the purpose.

@ICE It's a rifle tho. Should get smoothbore if you want buck

Andrew Dalton Ray damn, i see you under every video i watch.

I second that! My shoulder still hurts. The rifle is standing position only.

capandball Yes . I was looking at how the top of the butt dug into your shoulder,and I was going to ask if you were going to film the bruise. Absolutely beautiful rifle. Pleased you posted something new. Cheers.

Researching is a tricky process. When you finish a study, you immediately know that it is incomplete. So I will continue in the same manner for sure. :)

@@capandball Thank you.

Or with Mike from Bloke on the range. If you don't know him, he lives in Switzerland and makes video about swiss firearms and history.

@Samule Pasche Never heard of him but i definitely have to check him out, thanks. Greetings from Switzerland

I don't remember how long ago but Ian did recommend cap and ball as part of 4 gun channels he was recommending!

I'd like to see this guy meet up with Iraqveteran8888 more, actually. Those guys seem to have more fun out on the range with black powder and 19 century artillery. Ian is a meme. (he is also in an antifa group)

while both are great I don't feel that capandball and Forgotten weapons would mix as well as he would with bloke on the range or Rob from Britishmuzzleloaders. Its one thing to explain the functioning and components of a firearm which Ian does beautifully, but Britishmuzzleloaders and capandball take the time to recreate the historical context in which the weapon and ammunition is used. It would be interesting to see capandball do more of the analysis of the Infantryman's uniform and fighting equipment of the eastern European armies that most of the rifles he shows belonged to the way britishmuzzleloaders does. Show less REPLY

No chance, caliber is too small, and the set trigger also disqualifys the rifle from military events.

@@capandball Okay then, my newly purchased Enfield 1858 still being good choice for competition :D

Accurate molds has it, yo just need to source a Hollow base pin and fit it to the mold.