Shopping on SHEIN is a NIGHTMARE 

Agreed! I’ve seen a lot of cases where Shein is cheaper than Value Village (for comparable items) and that makes it harder to convivence people to shop gently used vs new 😞

Even the thrift/charity shops near me are raising their prices on anything with a brand name somebody would remotely recognize. I mostly just shop for clothes there or on eBay, or browse through the deadstock that my local "overstock items" stores get [even then most of that deadstock is made out of plastic fiber].

Buy less often, keep for longer. A $10 shirt that you replace every year or a $100 shirt you keep for ten years are equal value monetarily, but the $100 shirt is better for the environment in so many ways.

I mean, if you mean new clothing and not second hand stores, a truly sustainable and ethical production will cost more than the cheapest garments made from poor fabrics that will tear in a year and made by exploited workers That's why before fast fashion people had less clothes that they wore for longer, and that is the goal worth striving for- even if you can only afford cheaper clothing, using it to it's full potential is still beneficial

For a movement based on thinking about the future, being green sure is shortsighted

Even the ultra expensive stuff can be of cheap quality too. For many brands you're just paying for the logo.

@@WouldntULikeToKnow. I'm referring to smaller boutique brands like No Man Walks Alone, Archibald London, The Armory, etc., not Louis Vuitton or Gucci.

Gap and madewell are good brands that offer quality items that are not so expensive

@@kapowshi Uniqulo is fast fashion 🤷🏻‍♀️

Exactly

Damn, that's scary.

also the process of removing those chemicals is expensive and time consuming. And using them is cheaper and fasten the production process instead of more costly sustainable products, just like in farming

ALL synthetic clothing has this problem - you are wearing PLASTIC. It leaches hormone-mimicking chemicals into your body. My friend works as a chemist in the textile industry in the Netherlands - they are trying to solve this problem. But the point is - its PLASTIC, you are cling wrapping your body in plastic

If it break it breaks is better mindset set then "it's boring now, I'm bored of it. Toss"

I have had Shein things for years. The quality is pretty good. Even better then some of the more pricey brands....and they are from the same factories.

@@bubullibooooo9928 Not really

@@danylol772 Do your research...

@@bubullibooooo9928 Oh yeah? you mean that my 500usd jacket is made on the same factory as shien even tough they don't even use gore tex, aren't know to actually do quality garments, most of the garments when they fail get thrown into landfills and even if you say so, how could you justify that the same quality is the same not even considering different manufacturing places? your statement is simply dumb. Even if all of that was true, how could you justify buying from a brand which actually has a environmental impact so bad for the planet and only makes clothes for them to end up in a landfill with all of their waste?

Agreed. I've moved a lot of times over the years and every time I do I'm reminded of how much stuff I have which is already a small percentage of what the average person and the rest of my friends have. Every year I downsize more and more and I can't express enough how much less stressful it is. My dresser drawers have room to spare, my already small closet is only half full, and I could easily pack up all of my belongings into a few suitcases if I needed. It's also allowed me to justify more expensive purchases. Quality > quantity. Humans just don't need that much stuff.

Its from the constant pressure from social media. always show off your newest haul. never wear the same outfit twice

Personally, I like to dress different everyday, but since I do not engage in fast fashion, I act more like a collector of clothes. I have curated my fashion style and it has taken me years, but I do it cause its fun for me, and whenever I go through a thrift shop, which is like every 4-5 months, I take only one item if it really caught my eye. I may also be gifted or passed down clothes that I like. It is very annoying whenever I have to move, though, but thats on me.

@@fennecfoxfanatic I'm projecting here, but I don't think that's always true. I don't have a single social media account where I post anything at all, nor do I take part in any aspect of fashion discussion online, however I personally found that I really just enjoy finding interesting pieces of clothing from thrift stores. Honestly I'm beginning to have a very large collection of clothing that I need to cut the fat off of, but what I'm saying is that there's clearly a considerable amount of people out there that are into fashion for the artform of it. I like art in almost every form, and I love that I can put art on my body like this. There's nothing wrong with having three pairs of pants and being largely utilitarian with your clothing choices, because at one point I was exactly that way, but there's also nothing wrong with enjoying fashion at a healthy level. Personally I think thrifting is the best option because you can support local businesses and you can buy clothing made by shitty companies while not supporting them, at the core just appreciating the artform separate from the artist.

Because comfortable societies need comfortable hobbies

You dodged a bullet considering they have toxic heavy metals like lead in their clothing!

​@@bella-bondthat's redlicious lmao

I can't blame you. I have to write down a note or set up a reminder or text a family member just to remind myself to do something

How’s the detox going so far?

I switched from monthly shein hauls to finding interesting and preloved pieces on depop that are well made and easy to style it’s helped a lot

@@rileydonohue that’s awesome!

@@kristel9558 I can happily report I haven't bought anything from SheIn and bought very few pieces that I somehow 'needed' from the mall. So my commitment to 'low buy' wasn't going as hard as I thought it would. 😎 Same goes to skincare and makeup. Only buying what I ran out of.

@@rooshy88 congrats! Keep it up 😁

What are the artists names? I wanna check them out

@@banyasbeansofficial6484 Kai Collective is one. They stole her prints. Start there, I think they have posts up about this. Comment section should lead you to more indie designers who have experienced the same thing

Zara and H&M steal designs as well

Woah, didn't know about that last little bit! Thanks for the comment + support here 👏

I've been a long time advocate for sustainable fashion, I'm by no means perfect but I do my best. So when my roommate's shein order arrived in our mailbox the other day she immediately defended herself with the "I know this brand is horrible but I needed new skirts for my new job and couldn't afford more ethical ones". Obviously it's her life but I'd be lying if I wasn't disappointed since I regularly watch her drop 100$ on alcohol every other weekend and her closet is full to the brim with cheap clothing. At this point everyone pretty much knows these brands are horrible, but they play mental gymnastics in their heads to justify the purchase. Don't worry about your one oversight, none of us are perfect. Doing the best you can with the resources you have is already better than the vast majority of people.

Isn’t buying a pair of shein joggings at a garage sale and as you said, planning to use them for as long as possible, the best case for that piece of clothing? I mean it would’ve ended up in a landfill otherwise

The biggest problem with fast fashion is that people throw it away quickly, either because of it's poor quality or because it's trend has passed (or both). But you can negotiate some of the negative impacts by simply wearing the item a long time (and by doing so, taking some the "fast" out of the fashion). There should be NO shame in buying 2nd hand clothes (irregardless of their origin!) because by doing this, a. You getting clothes without profitting the system (it's hardly like SHEIN got a slice of that garage sale!) and b. It's Waay better that the garment gets a new life (rather than going to landfill after 5 or 6 uses). It's even better if after the product has become worn out, you either hand repair it (most of the low quality in fast fashion is simply poor stitching, which can be easily fixed) or recycle the garment into any number of handy new item options (for example dish cloths, cat toys, cushion stuffing, makeup bags, etc).

buying fast fashion second hand is not bad at all, in fact, you’re saving that item from going to landfill

@@maywalker997 yes haha my SHEIN clothes do indeed have bad stitching, it rips from lateral forces... however, I do not throw them out when they rip, instead I plan on fixing them with my sewing machine.

Cheap doesn't mean bad quality, it means cheap. Walmart clothes are cheap, but they can easily last 25 years. Target clothes are "good quality," but they are expensive and usually over-trendy, which means you will only wear them at certain points in your life if you were trendy enough to buy them in the first place, automatically making them less sustainable. Plus, you did not help her by being passive aggressive. She will surely continue to shop at Shein instead of knowing how fun thrifting can be. She will associate thrifting with know-it-alls and not want to step foot in a store.

@@queerlibtardhippie9357 I did not say I think cheap means bad quality, in a lot of cases it does, but as you say not always. But in general to make things so cheaply someone somewhere is feeling the effects of that. Whether that being the environment or people working in conditions that are not fantastic. And yes I know that it’s not just the cheaply produced things that are created in these ways but the strive to make things cheaper and cheaper does not help. I also don’t believe saying that is passive aggressive, it’s just saying what I prefer to buy.

@@queerlibtardhippie9357 everything produced now is shit quality compared to clothes from the 90’s and before

@@queerlibtardhippie9357 cheap may not always be bad quality but it always means someone is being exploited.

That was an unnecessarily sassy response to a person who was just trying to share what they thought was a good thing. You could of just offered to look at what they're getting on SheIn. And then show them where you get your clothes and what they look like. That's a much better transition into making a point about your reasoning for buying used.

Levi was proud of that one 😂

That's what we're hoping for too, Felix!

Na man they going stronger than ever I don’t buy from them but dam I know a lot of people and friends who do

I don't see a problem with it unless you're a reseller, they're the ones making thrifting so expensive. I also go to garage sales, flea markets, swap with family members and make certain pieces of clothes. It's about finding creative ways to get what you want, it takes work but it just depends where your priorities lie if it's worth it or not.

Most clothes in thrift stores end up in landfills…there’s no taking away anything from anyone by buying from thrift stores, there’s literally billions of garments in existence.

Most clothes in thrift stores end up in landfills…there’s no taking away anything from anyone by buying from thrift stores, there’s literally billions of garments in existence.

Correction: 100s of billions…produced every year

Omg yea that’s a perfect description of what the clothes feel like

Exactly!! Thanks for highlighting their video, we'll be sure to check it out 👏

@@FutureProofTV the video that Simona recommend is worth watching, we have to stop buying this stuff and buy second hand and or quality items. I have bought some shein stuff, shoes and brooches. Won't be buying any more, as it is always the people sewing the product that lose out. Can you make a video about mobile phones and how people get caught up in the latest phone etc. Cheers Debra from Melbourne Australia

That's not most people though. While I am happy for larger size people and lower income people to have places to buy from, it's definitely not where Shein gets most of their profits from, with rich skinny influencers having the giant hauls. Besides I believe that you should never buy fast fashion even if you "buy a couple" because you're still contributing to a system that exploits and under pays their workers. Even if you think only buying a few is not a lot, many other people think like that and it adds up.

what is "as long as possible" though when it's so damn cheap? It might be cheaper to buy high quality, more expensive that last much longer. There's the problem though that you can't easily try stuff if you don't have a lot of money. It's a much bigger gamble. Although with todays return policies you can still try things and just send it back if it isn't worth the price

With things like Sezzle and afterpay now most better quality and expensive brands are more accessible because there is no large fee up front. I'm plus sized and not well off, there is plenty of options besides of Shein. A majority of people who blow $100 on Shein justify it because it's so cheap but complain about buying one or two items of good quality stuff for $100 that will actually last longer. In reality it's cheaper to buy some of the more expensive things.

I've seen this argument made so many times. That fast fashion brands like shein make shopping accessible for poor people who can't afford ethical brands and therefore justifies their existence. But why are we only concerned about poor people when they're the consumers? What about all the poor workers making these cheap clothes in unethical conditions, many times underage, underpaid, and exploited? What about the poor people in undeveloped countries and small island states experiencing the brunt of climate change largely due to massive overconsumption in the clothing industry worldwide? These people deserve to be able to make a living and support their families without putting their lives at risk and not live in fear of the next natural disaster to hit their shorelines so that Jenny in California can buy 7 cheap skirts instead of one or two well made ethical ones. Should poorer people and those outside the standard American size range have access to clothing? Absolutely. But not at the expense of people's lives on the other side of the ocean. At the end of the day, buying one or two items still supports the business and contributes to horrors across the world. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Plus absolutely none of these fast fashion clothes will last very long. The vast majority of people shopping from these brands are people who have the means to shop more sustainably if only they consumed less and put a bit more thought and effort into their shopping. There are little to no justified circumstances for shopping from brands like shein, only mental gymnastics to convince yourself as such.

I remember when I was younger my mom would buy clothes only if they had a discount, that or we would go to the outlets. I was so used to it I remember not even looking at clothes in department stores if they didn´t had a discount label, we were strugguling a little finantially but my mom made sure I always had quality clothes because bad quality would mean buying again.

Fast fashion _is_ fraudulent fashion... You're so right!!

Did you get your money back?

Yes I did haha @@doll9340

Exactly how we feel about it too!

idt they need to be this cheap cos they just need to be 10-20% cheaper than middle tier brands and consumers will buy it. at least i know i will

Because business majors have no soul and exist purely to make money.

Glad to hear you're enjoying it!! More to come 👏

Glad you think so! Thanks for your support! 🙏🏻

There were skint students before companies like Shein existed and they did just fine.

This is so interesting! We'll definitely look into it and add it to our list of future video ideas. Thanks so much for the suggestion!!

@@FutureProofTV ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qVfJheBp7Ys.html

Fashionability hasn't just "been a bonus" since caveman days. Whether you like it or not, people's clothes (and hair and skin) say a lot about people and their culture and their status in the world.

virtual fashion? and i thought nfts were stupid...

What some people do is give a fake number or a burner phone but I thought the give us your number is for text messages promos

Thanks so much, Emily!!

Same here... Thanks so much, Susan!! 👍👏

I mean I can’t even cap tho no brands are high quality anymore unless they are expensive expensive ones. Brands like American eagle and old navy are practically just as bad as shein majority of ppl have fast fashion and with good care it actually does last can’t even cap

To be said in a snobby tone: "Ugh, you buy new clothing? How very consumerist of you."

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Do u have ig I wanna contact u or ur mom to ask about brands?

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You have a solution, you just don’t want to do it

Affordability and inclusivity are both big problems in the sustainable fashion market! It’s definitely important that we demand both from clothing brands and make them realize the market they’re missing out on - maybe in the meantime, try thrifting? Secondhand is always sustainable and can be very affordable if you look in the right places

Depends on your source & how you interpret a “country”

Glad to hear it! Thanks for joining us here !!!

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