In my old place, we had an open living and dining space and I had the stereo set up asymmetrically - the left speaker was next to some full length windows (which thankfully had heavy drapes) and the right speaker was at the edge of the living room that opened into the dining room. Annoyed me no end. When we sold the place, and my wife moved to Australia for her Masters, I stayed behind to "pack". In the process, I moved all the gear to the short wall and had perfect symmetry. Like Paul, I loved having the space behind the speakers which created a deep soundstage and having space behind the listening position added to that sense of space of the music as well. Now I have a dedicated listening room - and it is set up the right way. :) couldn't be happier with my BHK 300, DS DAC and Memory Transport driving a pair of Thiel CS3.7s and SS2.2s
I’m confused. What’s the difference between the Audiophile’s Guide - The Loudspeaker, and the original Audiophile’s Guide - The Stereo? Didn’t that one also cover loudspeakers and speaker setup? Can you clarify the difference between the two books? Do they both require the same CD of test tracks? I still don’t get why the CD needs to be purchased separately seeing as it’s a necessary part. It’s 2022, why not just include a download code for the test tracks when you buy the book?
Frank Doris is the best of the best. He really cares about what he does in a way that goes above and beyond so many people that I have met in my lifetime in the audio field. I still can’t figure out how he can get out copper in such a regular fashion… Always on time with a very large number of great topics. When they made Frank they broke the mold. With regard to your photograph, it is an absolutely gorgeous landscape picture. Nothing like large format to give you that sense of beauty in nature. Beautiful photograph Paul!
My setup is on the long wall. It's just the way it turned out after all the stuff came in. So I follow the Wilson way. For multichannel it's great as the whole room is filled with music as a 5.1 system of Klipsch towers. Not so great for 2 channels but sometimes you have to live with what you've got
Photography and Hifi seem to often go together. It's a Guy thing ;) My room is 5 by 6 meters so the short wall is still long enough to position de speakers in the room and leave plenty of room behind the listening position.
Our group recently held an event employing three rectangular 600 sqft rooms with 15 speakers total. In mine we used the long wall with speakers 5' from the wall behind and 10 feet apart and toed in quite a bit. . We played 5 sets of standmounts each hour. The other two rooms setup on the short walls. What I noticed was that the sound was decent almost anywhere in our room. The other two required one to sit in the front row sweet spot to get sound that you could evaluate.
I have a 14.5' by 23' room with 9' ceilings. I have to place my Rosso Fiorentino speakers on the long wall due to decorating concerns. I have them 34" fron the back wall and the sofa is about 30" from the wall behind it. I have one word to use to help ameliorate this problematic setup...Dirac, a complete game changer for compromised positions. Tames a muddy, peaky sound and makes it right.
Here’s what happened to me. My living room is 12ft x 24ft. I found that putting my speakers on the short wall - aimed straight out - gave the best overall sound. That also results in very deep [and surprisingly non-boomy] bass. The bass is such that I don’t need a subwoofer.
While 1/2 proportions are bad in general it's pretty clear because the distances between speaker and rear wall are larger - less reflection energy - the 1/2 proportion weakness of the room can be minimized by larger distance from the walls (both speakers and listening position) so that you are not sit in the middle of a room mode or cancellation - simple physics
First it bothers me that you have made several references that Wilson positions their speakers far apart and point them at the listener creating a large image. Now if you are seeing setups like that with Wilson speakers it is going to be done by another manufacturer displaying with Wilson speakers and not that of Wilson audio themselves. They don’t setup speakers that way. I have a lot of respect on how Wilson Audio sets up there speakers which is a very complex process ( in which there is a RU-vid video by Dave Wilson and is called WASP ) which goes into great detail on locations and positioning of their loudspeakers. When Wilson Audio positions speakers they are not placed far apart and pointed in, they are carefully positioned at distances apart to give you good center fill yet imaging outside the speakers giving you the most focused and widest soundstage as possible. They also ( which to me is critical ) find the ideal placement away from walls to give you the best overall bass response and overall frequency balance across the whole spectrum. So I would disagree with your assessment of Wilson Audio Loudspeaker positioning. As far as short wall verse long wall. Of course it depends on the speakers and more importantly the dimension of the room. If the room is reasonably narrow it would be difficult if not impossible to get a good distance away from the speakers to give you a deep soundstage. But with that said, as long as the room is not to narrow I strongly feel you can get better “overall” bass response and imaging on the long wall verse the short wall. This is of course is when we are dealing with modest size rooms, which is common in most homes.
Paul, my wife goes back to her Homeland Romania for about a month to a month and a half every year. Being away from your wife for a long period of time can open up the things that you used to do before you got married. Including sitting in front of a pair of speakers and listening for hours day after day.
@@volumestudio4717 , he records a bunch of these videos at a time. then releases 1 per day. sometimes he says things in advance.... the cd isnt listed, yet
Peddling his wares again 😁 For some people in small places they should go the headphone route. For 1/5 the price of a full range system one can get a TOP of the Line HP system
Does the book talk about walls that are recessed on one side? My long wall has a ten foot section that is recessed about 15 inches. I assume the home builder intended it for where the TV and entertainment system would go. Impractical for me to put the speakers outside of the recession due to a door being a foot off the right side.
I’ve been trying to contact ps audio regarding the sacd or download files with no success. Where do you guys get the files? Octave records records has not displayed them yet!
I looked for the new book on your website and it doesn't seem to be there. I bought the original Audiophile's Guide in May of this year, does the new book have a different CD?
This is getting confusing. I did buy the first guide and cd in witch speakers are a topic. Do I need to buy another guide and cd just for the speakers? What's wrong with the stuff in the first guide? Or are the chapters of the first guide now sold separate?
How about just buying Omni Directional speakers..??? Fit the speakers to the room or buy a new house.😀 Fit the house to the speakers..😀 Get wife approval first..😀
