Aight since people can’t do the 5 second google search, lemme help yall out. Qualified Immunity. The doctrine of qualified immunity protects state and local officials, including law enforcement officers, from individual liability unless the official violated a clearly established constitutional right. “INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY”. AKA CIVIL. Sec. 9.05. RECKLESS INJURY OF INNOCENT THIRD PERSON. Even though an actor is justified under this chapter in threatening or using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he also recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded by this chapter is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent third person. Aka: you shoot the wrong or an innocent brotato chip, you don’t get a pass on the CRIMINAL side of things. We clear now? Holy guacamole.
Qualified Immunity is great and all, but when cops can freely murder people in the streets and prosecutors choose not to pursue cases against them, you absolutely have blanket immunity and are not held accountable for your actions. Overwhelmingly, police only get punished for CRIMINAL actions when there are protests, news stories, or other expressions of outrage. Far more often than not, cops are protected not only by other cops who WILLINGLY choose to lie on incident reports (Check the Ohio cops who arrested a woman and flashbanged her infant son during a NKW at the wrong house, or the Colorado cops who fired indiscriminately into a crowd with no credible threat and receiving nothing more than administrative leaves) but they are also protected by prosecutors, judges, and legal systems that are biased to favor cops. By the way, if you're gonna foster an "Us vs. Them" environment in your training, your police work, and in your daily life - don't be surprised when the "Them" hates you as much as you hate them.
@@Wolfsbane1100 You raise some good examples of bias in the legal system and corruption in law enforcement but you could have also ended there without the "Us vs. Them" addition as this is just a man explaining how good shot placement can stop a deadly threat using one of his favorite games to show this. The image of "Us vs. Them" is a side affect of doing a job that is (on paper) to enforce and uphold the law.
Unless you use the SuperNova, in which case you will liquify any part you were looking at, blow off what you were not looking at, and simultaneously take out the sun.
@@AstralPulse8But it isn’t TECHNICALLY optimized to stop a threat accordingly… to get that S rank nonetheless But it surely is an S+ if the goal is to rip limbs off :)
A lot of police departments and SWAT teams have updated their training after the Buffalo shooter incidents. A security guard was in the store and attempted to stop the active shooter but his handgun was unable to penetrate his body armor. Now, the rule of thumb is if a subject is wearing a tactical vest of any kind, to aim for the pelvis. While the pelvic shots may not be immediately lethal, shattering the bone structure will cause the subject to collapse. Marines in WW2 also used this tactic with their handguns against charging Japanese soldiers because the heavy .45 FMJ rounds they were using would zip right through torsos.
I will say people don’t need to be under the influence to resist pain. The FBI Miami shootout suspects did what they did on stone cold determination alone.
I’ve never seen that video, you mind linking it to me? Also this video is based off of the training my department just did again at the range not too long ago. I thought it was cool and useful so I wanted to share. @cagney
Another thing to consider about pelvis shots: Pelvis DOES NOT heal the way it was. Never. It's a huge, complicated structure which attaches your legs. Shooting pelvis is extremely painful, causes arterial bleeding and not only the person won't be able to walk - pain prevents them from CRAWLING. If they survive, they will be permanently disabled, but, most importantly, they stop being a threat fast. Also, important thing to keep in mind about people in such context is how surprisingly they manage to be both fragile and durable at the same time. People often forget that people don't magically die after getting shot, it's not enough to just shoot the same random spot on the body to kill someone - you have to damage something important on the inside. Like, let's look at torso as a target: That's where most of your important organs are, but it's very difficult to kill someone unless you hit such organs as heart, kidneys or liver, for obvious reasons. (I'm not mentioning artery, because it's not an organ) You may argue that there are intestines, lungs and a stomach hits to all of which can be lethal, but they take time. In most cases, unless you hit some organ or artery that cause pretty much an instant death, this person will live, because we live in the time when medicine is very advanced and it doesn't take long to get someone from the scene of shooting to the hospital. Used to know a guy who was a bodyguard and he got shot 60 times in a matter of seconds and lived, because no shots landed on the head, those that his neck didn't hit arteries and while there was damage to organs like heart, he got lucky enough to get to the hospital and get proper care. It took him only a year to get back on his feet and work again.
Pelvis shots imo shouldn’t be allowed with lethal munitions, lethal force isn’t about “pain compliance” or any of that garbage this guy was spewing, it’s because dead guys are no threat. There’s plenty of options for “pain compliance” that are far less lethal than gunshots.
@@theparaminuteman True, but clearly most people are referring to the solid organs when using the word. Nobody's discussing destruction of skin and muscle when they're describing organ damage, either.
Before the updated rifle qualifications, in the Marines we had a shooting drill in which we called “failure to stop.” It was a hammered pair to the center mass then a third round to either the head or the pelvis. In practice, when the target is immobile, we can perform follow up shots to the target.
As an completely untrained tac-sim nerd, RoN has conditioned me to just drop and spray the moment I see a baddie just because of their freakish reaction time lol.
Yeah... Void needs to adjust the reaction time of the suspects. I think someone clocked them at around 100-150ms, where even highly trained individuals in real life take around 200ms to react properly to the same situations
You probably already know this, but they added the "stop the killing, stop the dying" thing you say to one of the posters in the PD. Is it something you came up with or is that a saying that existed before? Either way, real cool.
Haha yes, I’ve been using that as an ending slogan for a lil bit now. I think the devs added that poster in as a friendly nod since I basically have 95% RON content lol. Thank you my friend!
@@SixtyAteWhiskey Can't wait for the lore video. Do me a favour and mention the spooky shadow people in the Rust Belt mission, please? I think they're neat.
My dad was a LEO for 20 years. 7 of which were SWAT. When him and I were doing shot drills for my upcoming BMT, he taught the exact same stuff you mentioned in your video. Just a little memory…
Reminds me of my time as a MP doing shooting drills. Control Pair: two control shots at the chest Failure Stop: two in the chest one in the pelvic (use to be one in the head) And various of other drills like tactical reloads, speed reloads, and low light shooting. Good times. EDIT: We also did hammer pair drill which is two shots rapidly as possible to incapacitate the target. First shot is employing a sight picture and the second shot picking up just the front sight of the target.
@@miguellopes2452Like SixtyateWhiskey said at 1:42, we’re accountable for every shot we take so to minimize the chances of missing but at the same time not decreasing the chance to stop the threat we aim at the pelvic since it’s a larger target and is stationary while the human head can move and isn’t really stationary. Plus another reason I assume we switched is because most engagement with law enforcement officers happen in close quarters so it’s a lot easier to aim center and lower mass on a human body than the head when you have less than a few seconds to react. Lastly in my opinion we switched was because of political reasons, we’re train to stop the threat not kill the threat, and it doesn’t look good on the department if every suspect is killed during a confrontation but that’s my speculation so take with a grain of salt. Hope my long explanation helps clear any questions you have.
@@gmoralesmorales9212 I'd say its the other way, to see the pelvis when youre engaging the chest is more difficult as theres a weapon blocking your view. Transitioning to the head is simply eyes up barrel up. it sounds to me like theyve moved to pelvis, as a less lethal approach (political correctness) as the military failure to stop is still the head. in a CQB environment hitting the head is easy (for a practiced professional, which is what we're talking about) I mean the guy would need to fall or move so drastically to move his head out the way at those distances that his whole body is moving any way. (lets just remember that we're talking about a target at least 6 inches diameter and we practice to his less than 2 inch boxes...the margin for error is plenty) I've never tried it, but I even question if under NVGs its easy to distinguish the pelvice on a guy thats fully kitted out in assault gear.
We didn't move to the pelvis for less lethal or pc reasons. We do it for the reasons I described in this video. It truly isn't difficult to transition from torso to pelvis, which the pelvis is objectively a larger target (wider) than the head.@@OMT988
The funny thing is that here in the comments whenever people write things like "I usually aim for the the chest, it's the most effective" you now can't know for sure if they talk about Ready or Not or real life, giving the comment section an oddly threatening aura.
A genius instructor I had years ago put it this way: We train to shoot center of mass not because it's more lethal, but because it reduces the possibility of a miss. Another way of saying "center of mass" is "the middle of the big part." We all know that marksmanship tends to go to crap when things get stupid. Which partially why police have a hit rate of about 50% from 0-3 yards. It goes downhill from there. Every piece of metal sent is a huge liability, and you're morally responsible for each one. Hitting an innocent by mistake is morally inexcusable.
Here in Brazil, police officers (in my state) are forbid to give first aid to suspects and even victims. Doing that, the lethality of police fell by 2/3 or half. Cameras helped too. Why? Because it was a common to take the suspect and to travel with hin until he bleed out, or even shoot hin more times when he was in the back of the police car. In the 70s, he had a Battalion (ROTA) where 40 officers are alone responsible 2000+ deaths. When i worked there (not as operational, but administrative), was pretty common knowledge. So is always cute to hear about people complaing about police when you live in a devolping country.
police abusing their power is shitty regardless of where you are and should be prevented. just because you have it worse doesnt mean everyone else should be ignored.
Great vid. I found it interesting to learn that you guys are actually trained in shot placement, but it makes complete sense after you explained it. In my country's military, I was trained and tested on aiming for center mass and tight groupings, but have heard offhand here and there to be mindful of the pelvic area because, as you mentioned, that area is generally unprotected and your target will usually collapse under their own weight. However, this is taking into account that this is for engagement distances from 400 yards down to 100 yards. In my armed security job, we were trained with drawing speed in mind, so generally aim for center mass for accuracy's sake. However, we were also trained and tested on something similar to the mozambique drill (we did 2 chest, 2 head instead.) This is because if we have to draw, it'll generally be in a surprise reaction in a close-quarters context, and also because we operate in an avoid -> deescalate -> disengage and GTFO ASAP priority system. I've yet to have any sort of formal training where we actually have to aim for the pelvic area, but it's definitely something I'll keep in mind in the future.
I'm a paramedic and really enjoy when you get into the pathophys and pharmacokinetics of the kinda stuff you do in the field. Being a SWAT medic seems like and insanely cool job.
If you want to impress your CCW instructor when they ask for alternate targets say PELVIS really loudly so the whole class turns around to look at you in the back of the room lol. Nobody ever guesses this. My dad actually taught me this when i was 12 yrs old.
I’ve found the shooting pelvic girdle to be less effective than it should be. Sure it’s better than shooting armor but that’s just because you are hitting flesh and the biomechanics associated with shooting that area are not present in the game. With the current state of the AI, I’m going for headshots if they force me to use lethal force
those groin hanging parts of armor are built to protect from gernade shrapnel ive heard but i could be wrong as i have never had expierence with armor irl
The other sweet spot is the dumbell of death. Essentially the head, neck, and upper thoracic. 1-2 rounds there will flick their light switch off instantly. And that spot clears any armor as well.
There's some dude here in the comments saying someone survived 60 shots, some including their neck. Now you say here that 1-2 rounds in the neck would kill someone instantly. I love watching all these armchair experts saying so much BS.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 60 shots of what? An airsoft gun? 60 is a very excessive number, though it is not unheard to survive multiple impacts. Navy SEAL Mike Day got shot somewhere around 20 times, half of those rounds got caught by his plates, but the other half penetrated. No neck shots as far as I know, but he got pretty messed up. Essentially, survivability depends on the caliber and location on your body that is hit. The more energy a bullet carries, the more damage it does to soft tissue. Large blood vessels and vital organs being damaged will kill you first and foremost.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 I mean obviously there's going to be freaky cases in which people survive extreme amounts of damage to the body and head. We're talking usual use cases. Most people will go down with 2 shots to the brain/upper thoracic area.
Love it! Learning as much real tactics of handling a gun with human anatomy in mind is something what I’m down for. I’ve heard you mention first aid of the suspect, would be great if you could speculate about adding first aid in RoN and how it should look like. ❤
How dare you police officers use such horrendous strategies against people. As a man you should be ashamed to hit another man's pistol. I am deeply disappointed; never again I'll give my trust to such individuals, never again.
This video earned you a subscription from me! I do believe these conversations need to happen more frequently. Too many armchair critics out there who don't even bother to do proper research before screaming and crying about "ethics" in complex situations that people have to go through when dealing with criminality and the threat of losing one's life.
Paramedic here, Really Good Video BTW!!! But you mention several times it's your opinion that when shooting the torso the mechanism of action is pain. So much so that you mention drugs like PCP make gunshots to the torso ineffective due to the total negation of any pain. There is some truth in that, but I believe you are making a few errors. I'm also going to assume rifle rounds are being used for the reminder of my post. (Again, I really like the video, not trying to shit on you) Let's readdress the anatomy of the thoracic cavity before I go any further (mostly for others reading as I assume you are well read as a 68W) The thoracic cavity contains 3 sub cavities, the left and right pleural cavities, and the mediastinum. The pleura cavities contain their respective lungs and the mediastinum contains: the heart, great vessel roots (aorta&vena-cava), trachea, and the vagus, phrenic, and sympathetic nerves. The diaphragm separates all three cavities from the abdominal cavity and makes up the bottom of the entire thoracic cavity. Additionally the spine's 12 thoracic vertebra lie behind the mediastinum as well. The largest targets in the thoracic cavity are without a doubt the pleural cavities, if someone is shot in the chest the most likely location for them to be struck is in one of the lung cavities just based on their size. This is important, because this effects what happens to our enemy very very greatly. Injuries to the pleural cavity will no effect on the mediastinal cavity (other than tension pneumo) because is it literally a separate sealed cavity. This is very very important because. Gunshot wounds, that enter and exit the pleural cavity only (the lung), *WILL NOT* have Immediate Physiological Incapacitating Effects. Let me say that once more, if someone is shot in the lung and nowhere else, unless that person decides to stop fighting due to: pain, self preservation, fear, realization that they have made poor life choices..... they wont stop fighting!! It takes a while for tension pneumothorax to kick in and even bilateral pneumothorax isn't immediately incapacitating (though it is way quicker). Mediastinal injuries on the other hand, are *INTANTLY DEBILITATING*!!! Whether it be because of rapid circulatory failure (heart failure, aortic rupture, tamponade), or the very very important nerves in there getting severed (which can cause all sorts of very bad things), or perhaps even the spine getting blown out the back (walking privileges revoked) or the combination of ALL of those things.... and the best part is that it doesn't matter how much PCP you're on, It still works instantly!!! Ok so why does this matter? Good question. Well it matters because this means that "I shot the suspect in the chest" can mean either of two things. 1. Suspect drops to ground in 30s-1min after receiving a shot to the lung. OR 2. The suspect instantly drops from a shot to the mediastinal cavity. And since the lungs are so large, theoretically you are WAY more likely to strike them in the lung cavities and miss the mediastinum entirely. Ok so, does this mean pelvic shots are bullshit? NO they are a great tool to have in your back pocket, and I think this video shows that quite effectively. However I think you do a disservice by implying that torso shots only work via pain and flight or flight. A perfect way to remedy this would have been to add an additional video segment right after the pelvic segment about the "dumbbell of death" or capital I zone and explain how since lung shots are ineffective against determined or drugged up attackers and how body armor is more common, instead of shooting "center mass" we must adopt to shooting for the "Dumbbell of death' rather than thinking any shot to any part of the chest is fine and dandy. Again, I thought the video was amazing, keep this style of content up man cause you are producing some high quality stuff! PS: Pistols don't shatter the pelvic girdle with anything approaching consistency and even when pistol rounds find their way into the mediastinum they often cause minimal damage, normally from blowing all their energy getting through the thoracic wall. Pistols certainly have caused pelvic fractures (you can find videos of it working) and certainly have caused single shot stops from well placed mediastinal shots (lots of videos of this working) but these are much more rare occurrences than rifles. Cue all the videos of suspects being shot 20+ times while returning fire the entire time (both with and without drugs in their system). One of the good examples would be the the Timothy Gramins shooting ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pdjcYjSsIok.htmlsi=dRSb2xq-Lsgr0eG0 suspect was hit in both lungs and the heart, didn't go down until he was hit in the dome. Still had a pulse on EMS arrival, likely due the pistol bullet in his heart not having much energy left after crushing through the sternum.
Try having two of your AI use shields and move slowly counter clock wise clearing the apartment rooms first and wedge the middle room area doors if possible. Watch for traps and when you know an apartment has 2 entries then try wedging one door to prevent them from running and flanking. Use full body coverage heavy armor for you and your AI (I prefer ceramic), and use lots of throwable like gas (I prefer stingers grenades). Maybe bring one or two C2 charges if you know a suspect is right on the other side of the door. Once you clear the apartments then move on to the laundry room clear it out and then finally work on the middle room for clearing. Also if you want you can use the SA-58 with AP rounds for a two shot combo just be careful on what lies beyond your target as that big 7.62x51 round will definitely go threw and hit whatever is on the other side. I uhhhh hope this long comment helps.
Have a ton of real life training both in and out of the military, and shooting the hips is always a safe bet if you suspect/know they have body armor. Several shots to the armor will still take someone out of the fight for a bit, but the hips will stop them from walking if not be outright lethal depending on the cartridge and where they are hit. Never once trained to go for headshots unless they are extremely close and it’s the best target for the situation.
Unless I'm wrong, I heard the reason people fall when hit in the liver is because there's a nerve behind it that you basically crush so the legs just shut down.
Ive seen people eat rounds to the center and or legs and run for a good 30 yards or so, drugs can wildly change what a humans going to do when shot which is kinda neat? Like adrenaline. Its wild how our body works that even if certain things are hit you or they might not drop like a sack but once you hit other areas like the pelvis and snap bones or rock the artery the threats going to drop either right there or in a few feet, send 2 round into a knee they might hop a bit but most aren't going far before hunkering down, smack them in the aorta maybe you hit the subclavian or brachial you are down a arm likely and now you are less effective, I can contest its absolutely aids to be hit in the ribs by 7.62x39, it took me no time to drop to a knee and hug a wall to try and work on myself, I sort of want to see more of that stuff in game. I think its great some games are implementing that sort of stuff, id love it mixed with it actually making the AIs far less effective fighters till they bleed out or knocks out and not be able to laser you as their condition worsens. Also can we somehow normalize 556 and other rounds not having the recoil of a 12 gauge. Idk why trained peeps in games have the recoil buffer of a newborn, maybe that's just me idk.
1:30 about the armchair reditor comments naw dawg ya got it all wrong the police when getting shot at need to spray the bottom of the assailants foot with pepper spray, for maximum take down potential while not risking the the perps eyes or breathing passage ways ... if not obvious ... obvious sarcasm should be obvious
@@aryanterror88 then how come when I turn a corner I’m immediately shot at even when I’m being silent, especially on that map with the apartments and the music room forgot what it’s called
@@aryanterror88that's just staright up not true though. According to human benchmark the average is 273 milliseconds. That's pretty far off from the sub-50ms you're claiming.
@@yellowsaurus4895 My bad, I'm not good at math at all. I was trying to say that the ron AI reaction time is faster than the average mans reaction time.
Hi! I see you're using the FISA uniforms, is it the supporter edition special? Or will it come in a dlc later on? It looks very cool and I would definitely buy it.
@@SixtyAteWhiskeyI guess giving suspects forced sterilisation is sort of a war crime? I don't remember pelvis shots section in the Geneva convention though.
What about ammo selection, is using ap a good idea to limit the amount of damage done, for less lethal? Or do I always pick the most effective ammo, depending on if they are armored or not?
i love your videos and they are so inforrmational and professional, i am surprised that you have now 10,000 subscribers because of the quality of your videos, anyways congrats on the subscribers, keep posting more bangers fr
Yeah. I was shooting the dk, and the legs. It takes them down, and you get a live capture, instead of a kill 90% of the time. I switched to the beanbag shotgun, and that works wonders, but ... sometimes you have a guy that just wont go down. He'll stand around dazed, sometimes drop his gun, and then run away. So.. my goto has been BB SG 3 shots, switch to sidearm, and go duck hunting, if he refused to drop.
You can run the game on a laptop rtx 3050 btw. Game performance is still ass sometimes, but with the right settings you can get sround 90 fps stable (with highs of up to 144 and lows till 60)
How is your game so smooth? Myself and many others have massive performance drops 75% of the time and even in certain areas (like upstairs beach house for example)
I honestly have no clue. My specs aren’t all that great with an old 5700XT and a 5600X (or 5700x I can’t remember rn). I have it set to medium graphics and DX12 since the 1.0 update murdered my FPS but for me it’s always run super smooth.
