Should Britain become a secular state? 

+Jay C Agreed.

For me the most general definition of "Secularism" is that the country does not endorse any religion, that is all. Any other actions such as banning the burka, is dependent of the society leanings and world events of that time. Even if the country was non-secular like it endorse christianity, if there was a fear of islam among the public I am pretty sure the burka would be ban at schools too. All the people in support of non-secular country assume their religion would be the state religion, like for the pastor if for whatever reason Islam/Hindu/Buddhism was the country's official religion, would he still support for non-secular country.

@@operatorlink Britain is an Atheist Secular state. It has forgotten the Bible. Allow SAME SEX MARRIAGE. ETC .

Well, the religious sure seem to twist and turn the definition to fit their needs, for sure.

@@benharis1956 ...even some fundamentalist Christians well versed in the teachings and stories of the Bible will forget or exclude ever mentioning to others, the atrocious details (slavery, genocide, talking snakes perhaps ...etc.)

Only in the very broadest sense their is no high bishop who can vote down our choice of prime minister or control policy making, the house of lords is a body that reviews, critics and can amends legislation after further debate and is made up mostly of people considered experts in their fields, it can't produce legislation by itself. Yes a few bishops sit on it but in no way do they form any kind of majority. But in our system of government holds that the House of Commons similar to your congress holds the ultimate power and authority in our political system. The reason we have an appointed seconded house instead of elected one. Has i think more to do with the fear of getting caught out in having problems like US has in passing budgets recently where you have two houses both elected in deadlock, as an example. Plus it means that the courts only enforce the law as it is decide by parliament. If we had an elected 2nd house that could claim power over the decisions of parliament we would have to add a 3rd legislative body in the form of a beefed up Judiciary to weigh the balance and make final decisions in conflict between the two. no one here wants a Judge whose job in our system is simply to enforce the laws as set by parliament and the House of Commons. To have that kind of power to influence the make up of our laws its out of there remit. And then it makes the appointing of judges especially for things like the supreme or high courts way to much of a political appointment.

lunaticrobot there are more countries that are far more religious than the U.S...countries such as Saudi arabia, Iran, Pakistan, and Thailand.

It is ironic, isn't it? Unlike the USA, we have no separation of church and state, we have a state religion, and the head of state is also head of the English church. Net result: Christianity is almost universally ignored. America has no state religion, and has a separation of church and state. Net result: religion infects almost all areas of public life.

All the least religious countries,except China, have state religions. It acts like a vaccine against the really nutty kind of shit you have in USA

@@TheBossBros73 in England christianity, is almost dead, nobody really cares. Generally speaking. And nobody mentions it on TV, its something that we just dont do. So coming from a heathen country , its impossible to not notice the huge religious difference from England to USA when I visit & stay with family in Texas ,God is everywhere, Take your TV, for example, Everyone on American TV says thank God, bless God , God be with you etc etc , all your news readers ,presenters, even talk show hosts, everyone.. 2 outa 3 cars have stickers on car bumpers, God is love God bless you, God God God... its everywhere.. I can't imagine the states ( Texas, I can't comment on other city's) will ever change, or become less into God than it is , It doesn't bother me, it's just something that makes me realise how little we mention God in England . :)

Totalwarking7 Also important decision will be made based on fairy tale .

Dark Energy True.

Most state policies are based on political and economic fairytales

Totalwarking - so where does the state think we all came from?

cavemen came from cavewomen.

What was she laughing at the whole time?

And the Baroness (batshit crazy old lady in red) proves the point that the concept of nobility is a genetic Russian Rulette...

because nazir ali is a pagan mohammadan⚔️🌙🧕🧕👳🏾‍♂️🧕🧕🌙⚔️🕋☪️ who are all commanded to kill all Nona-mohammadans so the arrogant satanic nazir has nothing else but to badmouth Jesus Christ!

Mich Elle wut

Indeed. He seems utterly confused as to what the term seculurasm mean because it most certainy is not a creed. Someone's creed is their own personal religious belief or faith. That is far removed from what the concept of secularism is.

Lol indeed.

yep.

BISHOP He calld him out to his face ...then he bk peddled..lol

free? who ever said that you are is your enemy.

This bishop is such a hateful angry aggressive douchbag.

Mason Nix "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right. And if you don't agree you're stoooooooooooopid!" Well played. My 8 year old nephew says the same thing.

Since religion is essentially built on saying 'Do as I say or I'll get my invisible friend to beat you up'... ....that's not exactly a step forward.

kelman727 SECULAR mingle multicultural divides and segregate people.

The Bible is not a legal document.

@@kayem3824 you got to be kidding. That why the make to swear on it in court and for lawyers and Judges

Because you agree with her. Imagine if we had no values the word would b utopia you ppl clearly live in delusion

@@gman4074 Who is arguing for a world with no values....?

@@mbkkt9094 You are and your secular atheistic friends but what yall dnt understand a society without values so you can do what you want would let to anarchy and hell. Anyone advocating for secular society BS. Yea secular until someone kills your family or rape someone then all of a sudden you demand justice.

@@gman4074 Nobody is arguing for a world without values, why do you think that?

@@mbkkt9094 Wolf in sheep clothing my friend. The devil doesnt come barging thru the door he is a deceiver a snake lulls you to sleep then bites you in the back.

at least Mark Mullins makes it freaking obvious his intentions and not cloud it in the smoke screen of sophistry.

I thinks it's the mullet that lost him his place

Anyone who thinks any religious text is the basis for morality either hasn’t understood the text, or doesn’t understand morality.

The greatest thinkers always have to leave us too soon. R.I.P

I'm afraid Hitchens was in America most of the time.

Just like our government too...

Clearly you hvnt read it. Frauds

@@gman4074 “Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Try again goofy .

@@EUSA1776 That cuz your dumbass dnt understand the difference bet. Separation of church and state. But the Preamble indicates that all men are created equal under who? I thought so . America is a Christain country you fraud. The Quakers The Puritans. The rest is useless if ppl are not created in the image of The Creator. Jesus himself indicates this regarding quote about Cesar. Keep trying.

@@gman4074 Why do you think the separation exists ? The point was to make sure the church did not have a direct connection to the state like it does in Europe. The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document, it is a public statement, the preamble is part of the Declaration, not the Constitution. The CONSTITUTION is a legal document, it is the highest legal document in the land - and it prohibits the government from any involvement with any religious institution. The constitution’s only mention of religion is the explicit SEPARATION of itself from it. The Government of the United States is a secular government, it is founded in a separation between church and state, as you said . England, for example, is truly a ‘Christian country’ - it’s monarch is the head of the church and the state. The quakers have nothing to do with government, and neither does Christianity . That’s because they’re separate. Once again, read a little more, think through your arguments, and try again . (Also, ‘Cesar’ is spelled Caesar- you’re welcome. )

@@EUSA1776 Address the point. I'll trust the people who wrote it fraud. Not your secular reinterpretation. Ask the Quaker and Puritan why the left England. Ask the King. That why government officials and law n justice between make your swear on The Holy Bible. Keep trying you fraud.

+Free Being Exactly why I tell people that they have no obligation to obey any law they don't like. There are some laws I like, some I don't. So, Bradley Manning has the right to have activists or protestors get bombs and blow up and free him from his eternal hell inside military prison. And Edward Snowden did nothing illegal and has the right to live free in America.

Free Being, I live in a small town in the Bible belt and you're spot on brother. You can't buy alcohol on Sunday's due to all the religious people here. I rarely drink but the point is that the church may not directly make laws but you bet your ass they hold the influence. Also if we're so secular as a nation why have we always had Christian presidents? An atheist would never get into the race. We have in god we trust in our money and under god in the pledge but yeah we're secular af here LMAO.

Sicarius ias a brit that follows your elections ect... I always find it strange how often your politicians thank God. I read, or seen, somewhere that if they don't act in this way they would never get elected. Amazing as we have a Christian based system (in all but name), but I can't recall any of our main MPs ever mention God, or any religious belief. This is because they know here it would hinder their chances of election. Amazing how the two systems are set out to establish something oppersite, but both failed.

@@StephenButlerOne . ..hmmm...how do you know that wasn't the success that they were aiming for?

@@jamesgarcia7034 as it would of been easier to not form the Church of England, when the Crown (Henry 8th) seperated from Catholism. Id say that gives it away.

Hmmm...who really cares what they call that, sounds like good sense, to eradicate religious demagouges wherever you find them..

spot on! he is a lying mohammadsn⚔️🌙🧕🧕👳🏾‍♂️🧕🌙⚔️⚔️🕋☪️ And they are commanded to lie and use “taqqiya” which is lies & deception everywhere and anywhere to destroy every other religion other than pagan demonic satanic islam

Nonsense, the bloke is extremely irritating, however he's a Christian, no more or less deluded than any other God botherer...

When religion is on one or more sides of any debate, logic can never be on that side. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon, you can launch an intelligent well thought out attack but they won’t respond at the same level or follows the logical rules, just strut around making noises and shitting all over the board.

@@jamesb9448 😂 this comment is brutal, but I totally agree

Are you joking ???

He’s such an eloquent speaker. I enjoy hearing his thought immensely!

I was hoping someone was going to mention Exodus 21 (or the many other unethical passages in the bible) during the debate. We’d probably have been disappointed even if someone had as they’d have just said something like that that is due to human fallibility in translating, not understanding that that undermines the entirety of the basis for their belief.

It was a Christian who fought to get slavery abolished in Britain and no, Christianity does not encourage slavery.

@@leehighland5435 yeah everyone was Christian at the time, those supporting slavery also used their bible as argument. Christianity doesn't endorse slavery now because theists reinterpreted their book but it is clearly witten

surely you mean Baroness Afshar? I found her really annoying

It's the Baroness with the dirty teeth giggling although Mariam is annoying to with her arrogant ways

She's a bdsm sub.

That’s usually a tell that the person is completely outclassed in a debate, not having a logical response so just laughing to suggest that they know something that the interlocutor doesn’t or seeing a flaw in the thinking, but not actually having anything to offer.

U tried..lmao history says otherwise

G Man no it does not.

Because he know the rest hve already been deceived by the devil and drank the kool aid. Love their sin . Hypocrites who love and worship man

Of course the bishop is going to campaign for a religious state. If it wasn't, he'd be out of a job!

Some thought; the monarchy only performs a ceremonial role, but one positive here is that the current PM has someone to answer to. Not that the Queen has any power, but it is a position without power that gives personal responsibility to the PM, who actually does have power.

That's because she is one

Oh look no ad hominem oh wait yall atheist that all you hve cuz the truth is not on your side

G Man Prove God exists?

I really don't see how this is a question, it's literally just "do we ignore evidence and make societal changes based on religious doctrine?". It's a rather plan and simple of-course-the-fuck-not. If something isn't evidently good for society, then why do it? Why not do the evidently good things?

+Thomas Eshuis Nazir-Ali -this name sounds like that of a Muslim. Is he a Muslim convert to Christianity? And is he from India?

No ur a liar name one lie he stated . I thought so

Christians claim that the Bible is the word of God but I'd love to know how, for example, Matthew managed to record the entire script of Jesus' 'Sermon on the Mount'. Maybe it was he who invented shorthand and Sir Isaac Pitman only rediscovered it 1800 years later/ Or, perhaps Matthew had a pocket tape recorder and kept that a secret - or a bloody good memory!

@@davidholt753 of course, Matthew didn’t write the gospel anyway, it was just decided to be so-called as part of the agreed canon.

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A world dominating oppressive regressive ideology is now a race!!!

There is NO Quranic requirement for Muslim women to cover their faces or hair. The niqab and the burqa are MALE demands of their women and are actually FORBIDDEN for women participating in the hajj.

@@davidholt753 Hijab and Niqab are symbols of political Islam. Not a single Muslim women wore it in the 1950s and before....

@@abefanous9804 Precisely Abe!

K Russell SPEAK FOR ALL THAT'S THE POINT GOOD GOING.

Douglas Mclean Reference your point clearly, lose the caps, use punctuation and go away.

K Russell You need a comforter.

Calvin George secular people are weak diversity segregates.

Douglas Mclean So basically your way or the highway.

not in France. in France it is simply, racism against north Africans who make up the bulk of Muslim's in France.

@@queenb4734 Racism is obviously bad. Bud one shouldn´t mix racism with a defense against religious extremism wich especially France gets quite a lot these days:D

Agreed but being anti Islam and anti religion (I am both) is not an excuse to go after random brown people that "look Muslim". Racism is often a part of it. We know Muslim isn't an ethnicity. It's silly to ignore the racial aspects of islamophobia. Yes I understand that being anti religion is not a phobia but when I say islamophobia I'm talking about people that want to persecute all Muslims, South Asians, Middle Eastern people etc and lump in all sects of Islam with the terrorist ones. You can't just ban one religion you have to get to the root of all religion. Its a problem because religions are all about teaching falsehoods and teaching people that faith is a virtue instead of fact.

Until you became majority right.

Do 'ya mean that awfull seculiar bigot A.C.G ??

@@boleslawzajac4729 Quite agree. I’m not the same as I was 8 years ago. I’m a Christian.

@@ManForToday What a tragedy...

You still think that now .

@@SuperPatrick777 Not 1%. He's an idiot and so was I.

He's a clergyman, lying is part of his job.

The holy books with their divinely approved wars and genocides are centuries before they even heard of secularism so I'm pretty sure that the body count of atrocities in the name of a god is significantly higher. Hell, something like the Thirty Years' War resulted in the slaughter of 20 to even 50 % of the population of what today is Germany. Not even WW2 came close to that.

Matt Aldridge: This bishop pretends to not know the meaning of secularism. I just don't buy his hypocritical stuff. www.blablameter.com/

@@_chew_ ...a BIG part of their job...

So you blame religious ppl for disease.. Foolish..

You still think that now .

You knew he would fail the moment he spoke those words!

Don't say... just do

Valkyrie Sardo Amen.

Precisely. We should not forget where our founders and their families came from…a church dictatorship.

What faith were Mao and Stalin practicing? I thought so. People forget if their is no God why would anyone be good? Because you said so..lol

G Man Human beings possess a moral intuition that informs our moral decision-making which is quite independent from religious teaching. Do you think humans were incapable of behaving morally and altruistically prior to the construction of the 10 commandments, or some other kind of religious moral teaching?

@@gman4074 Is this THE G Man?!?!?!???

30:17 1st clue

You mean he speaks the truth , can't have that .

ianrwood21 there can be an advantage. I met a vicar because he was in charge of my son's toddler group. After we made it clear to him repeatedly that we wanted to shield our son from Christianity, he confided to us that he had spent his twenties in the Netherlands working as a postman until someone told him what a nice life can be had as a an English vicar. He was an atheist but he did a good job and I have the greatest respect for him. His wife was a French atheist.

alasdair niven I love the way he just blagged it for a free house and a decent pay cheque. I was married by a canon, real old guy, real nice guy, that drank in my local. If he didn't where is wizards outfit, you'd not know he was religious. He didn't push God and the bible, just spoke alot of being nice, and raising your own the best you can. He didn't mind what God you followed, or not, he just wanted people to be good. Now I have an elderly neighbour, she spent about 40 years following the same church this Canon worked at. She is the compleat oppersite to him. A nasty person, that thinks she has a pass to be horrid to others, even bully them. Part of me hopes heaven is real, just so she turns up and finds her name isn't on the list. And if her name is, I wouldn't even want to connected to ant foundation that accepts her behaviour. Soon she will find out.

guess what? arrogant godless exhale British are sowing what they reaped and the bedouin bloodthirsty momhammadans⚔️🌙🧕🧕👳🏾‍♂️🧕🧕🌙⚔️🕋☪️are now shoving pagan islam on them. pay the price!

@@MichElle-sd6gj I've been British for 33 years now and the only religion I've ever had forced down my throat is Christianity, I wish Christians would FUCK OFF!

Yeah, you have a good point there...

Servant not slave .

@@SuperPatrick777 Depends on which version you read. 🤷‍♀️

Then you're heading for hell .

Evolutionism will do that fine , clown .

Can't stand that guy.

I thought that the host was meant to be neutral. Mr Campbell certainly isn't

@@anthonyparkinson5544 In what way wasn't he neutral?

@@Jivvi He only asked pat a cake questions to those to which he is culturally sympathetic and asked hard ones to those with opinions which he opposes.Plus he made a lot of unsubstantiated assertions and even worse he made sarcastic remarks against some of the audience who he clearly disliked

+Poseidon63 Britain still has a state religion.

Totalwarking7 And to our shame that's the official stand point but talk to the people and you will soon realize that there is not many people in the UK who believe in religious nonsense, and go to any church on a Sunday and you will find them nearly empty..

Britain is Christian, what on earth do you think the debate is about?