but it is... assuming a 3090 MSRP is close to $1500 this is 80% of of the price for nearly identical performance. --- - compared to the 3080 it's a much higher price.... .. .. I think not enough people are comparing it to both cards.
@@maccy2601993 why compare it to the 3080? 3080's are going for about $2K rn. These are going for $2200, and 3090s are going for close to $3K. If you can get one of these at $1200, it's a better deal than any 3080 because there are no $700 3080s
@@maccy2601993 yeah, the 380ti isn't worth that little. Market dictates value, and the market has spoken. These cards are worth over $2000 given current supply and demand.
This is a very strange conclusion compared to everyone else's conclusion, which is... this is a waste of money for the performance gain. edit: To be clear I don't think Linus is a shill, I think he's coming at this from a different perspective, it's just strange to see him go from criticizing nVidia cash grabs with the crypto cards and then ignoring that in this analysis.
@@21preend42 Yea, the key words here are "in comparison". Because none of these 2 cards make any sense for gaming when 3080 costs half the money and is practically just as fast.
"when compared to the 3090, it's a winner" ... Okay, you forgot the part where you say, but when compared to the 3080, you are paying 70% more for less than 10% more performance, and so just like the 3090, it is a terrible value proposition, just slightly not as bad.
Yeah this is a absolute trash way to review something. LTT has shown that they don't care about their reviews. Their reviews are so sloppy compared to other tech channels. Simply editing in a 1 second prerecorded face reaction to the price is not good enough. If Nvidia had come in with the 3080Ti at $1400, would this review have been the same? What if they came in a $800? Price is extremely important. LTT is great for entertaining videos on new and unique tech. It has become really bad for actual reviews of products.
what are you guys talking about, the rtx 3080 ti is way lower price than the 3090, in my country the rtx 3090 is 29 thousand reais, the 3080 ti is 14 thousand '-'
@@jonlaw16 Or you know they tell you what you need to know about the product itself and you decide if it is worth it depending on the price. The tech channels shouldn't decide for you they should give you the tools to make the decision yourself. Especially now where price is fluctuating so much that msrp is absolutely pointless information. I know know that the 3080ti is a good card, I know how she compares to other offerings on the market and I can based on that in consideration of my own economic standing decide at what price I buy one if at all.
Nvidia changed the msrp from 1000$ to 1200$ immediately prior to release, reviewers were under the impression it was going to be $1000. Either way, people need to stop whining about price, GPU's have been selling, a lot, at over double their MSRP, complain about scalpers all you want, but manufacturers have raised their prices significantly, and they're still getting scooped up and resold at huge markups, meaning MSRP is nowhere close to fair for these cards. Does it suck? Fuck yes, but that's literally how the market works, it's supply and demand. Demand exceeds supply, significantly, therefore the ONLY solution to the disparity is to raise the price to find equilibrium. 1200$ for the 3080ti sounds absurd, but if you look at the market, it's being scalped for significantly lower markup than the rest of the lineup, meaning it is not selling at as high of a markup, MEANING the 1200$ price is far, far closer to "correct" for the market conditions, than the 3080, and 3090.
@@tooitchy I found a store that had some cards in store as they adjust pricing depending on how many cards they have left. Funny thing was that the 3080 ti is cheaper than the 3080 there.
"This is Nvidia's apology or No brainer buy even at $1200" Bro what? Amping up this card before you knew the actual price of it and STILL posting it even with the small update mid video? Not too sure about this one, Linus.
@@Ren33469 I tend to disagree. Linus usually calls out bad products or business practices by any company. E.g. he rightfully dumped Nvidia for their mining cards announcement earlier this year or when they blacklisted harbor unboxed. This "review" here is really terrible though.
Everything is an insignificant amount when you are a millionaire, but seriously though, Linus was joking, it's just a joke we are too poor to understand is all =/
No it isn't. He has been shitting on Nvidia the past 2 months. he isn't being paid. He isn't even saying the card is a good value, it's only a good value compared to the 3090 which is $1500
6:59 Linus made a decent point that nvidia should be able to manufacture many more of these than the 3090 simply due to the 50% cut in vRAM. If their goal is higher production, that would help a bit to deal with the crippling shortages.
@@coralinealgae This card is still useless. It costs 71% more than the 3080 (sometimes it's 100% more, mind you) but only has 2-10% in performance gains in gaming. And in 3D applications (my professional area) it's also useless *exactly because of the 50% less VRAM than the 3090%*.
@@coralinealgae And as he said, that is assuming there are enough GPU chips to go around. Now nvidia is also manufacturing the new CMP series and they are not going to reduce the production of any of the 3000 series already in production probably. And 1G vram chips are much more easy to acquire. Its just 2GB more vRAM than a 3080. The 3080Ti is not a performance slouch, its great, but at what cost?? And as Linus pointed out so few people bought the 2080Ti, and the 3080Ti is again for the few people who has enough disposable income to spend.
@@gurjindersingh3843 Based on generation jump, sure. But if you're upgrading from a 2080 ti, why do a 3080 tj when there is a 3080 that's $400 less and only a 7% difference in performance?
@@gurjindersingh3843 "Wow, someone just dropped 500 dollars in front of me! how silly! now, I will be able to get the 3080 Ti instead of the pesky 3080, and have 5 more fps on cs:go than with the normal 3080!"
I go by hardware unboxed and gamers nexus at this point, much more reliable source of information and as far as I know they aren't taking bribes and kickbacks from nvidia unlike LLT
Linus put too much money into his business and created a media company, and now he needs revenue stream from a dying platform that he relies on. So he hires people that can generate clicks and tiktok trash videos to make his revenue of clout cash and keep the lights on. Instead of downsizing and reassessing his income, he doubles-down on the garbage content that relies on 9-13 year olds to click, like, sub, and buy merch. Which is exactly how we got into this mess of unethical shitty social media platforms that bank on halfwits to buy into lies and spend their money on overpriced crap. Welcome to 2021. Go sub GN and unsub LTT (and all their affiliates).
its not 15% performance increase btw , its actualy lower more like 8% , its just a cash grab 1080ti was half the price of the 3080ti msrp , but now everyone thinks that 1200$ is a good price ? they are all brainwashed ...
@@nunosanches3693 Dunno if they are brainwashed when the value of the dollar has literally tanked because we keep printing money like its out of style.
@@danielredziniak2996 I mean, did you see how much the government was spending then? Even back then, government was printing more money than we budgeted and was already spending trillions. It's just getting even worse with MORE being printed, chip shortages and newer development procedures and dies that are expensive to produce anyhow. There's a bunch of features added on, new things that are free to all RTX cards like nVidia Studio, DLSS, and the software development costs will alsp drive price do they can, y'know, develop their drivers.
@@AndersHass Before the video was uploaded, he was very well aware what the price was, yet did not change his conclusion. Even for $1000 (which was what the expected price was), it's bad value.
Kind of crappy to give a positive review before the price is even announced. Price vs product should be the focus of a review, not an insert linus emoji here after the price has been announced like it's a minor point. True, this is a product for people who don't care about price, but we knew what to expect from the hardware. So if price doesn't matter, why does this review matter? The subtext seems to be "nvidia has you over a barrel, so you might as well try to enjoy it".
"The Scalpocalypse isn't going to last forever", Linus says. Maybe not, but by the time this is over, the 4000 series will already be out. The 3080 Ti will never be available at MSRP at any time during the next year.
@Kodenetic This is the same Linus who took Nvidia's money to show the 3090 playing at "8K" on select titles, with select settings, mostly with DLSS...chosen by Nvidia. Literally the next day his 3090 review shows it can't play at 8K. Not that he admitted it, of course.
@@pootsplasencia4846 Never in the record of me watching LTT has something like this happened. If it's paid, he always discloses that, doing otherwise it's not only unethical but also illegal. Also even when paid, you can agree on touching some specific subjects but saying something deceiving that you don't agree with is illegal as well. The review is a miss but LTT team has kept an excellent record during the years. Frankly, would I be in their skin, your opinion would seems really disrespectful to me.
@@nk4j272 all other you tubers said it isn't worth it because its a 10 percent increase in performance for 70 percent more money over the 3080 yet linus doesn't even mention the 3080 and says its a deal compare to the 3090 and that its everything he expected why not say the truth that its way over priced just like the rest and don't mention it
@@cynic256 The price itself does not change the performance of the card. That is really what the review should be about. It is up to the customer to decide if the price is worth it or not.
@@w04h its coming down to their viewpoints, one is 3080 vs 3080 ti, other is 3080 ti vs 3090. Just different sides from the same coin. Both reviews are great depending on your needs. This is great vs the 3090, absolute trash vs the 3080. I don't think price would have changed Linus's views here
[12 GB of VRAM] "should help keep the pricing down". Yeah, that went well. Linus, this video wasn't worth watching at all. MSRP and retail pricing is THE metric to pay attention to, not tech specs. You shot yourself in the foot with this one. GamersNexus started with the price question and then told us not to waste our time!
Aaaaaaand we've reached the point where LTT becoming so big has come to fruition. Calling a $1200 card a "good prospect" when it's only 7-13% better than the 3080... which is 70% cheaper.... I kinda hope that they go back to shilling vacuums.
at 0:24 they put "this video was shot before NVIDIA revealed the MSRP" They probably ASSUMED it was going to be a good value, but then NVIDIA did the price reveal and dated the video before it ever came out
Didn't you see his reaction to the price? He expected it to release at $999, he clearly said that in the video. Also, why are you comparing it to 3080 and not 3090, which starts at $1500.
@@yogi30303 3090 is already dog water in terms of value. Framing this card as faster than the 3090 in games while being cheaper ignores that it's only 10% faster than a 3080 at 70% price increase. Here's a tip, don't review a product if you don't know its price
@@yogi30303 Why make a video about it if he didn't know the price? It's a pretty important bullet point to fuck up. And why would it be compared to another waste of money for gamers instead of something with actual good value? Congratulations, marketing speak has bamboozled you.
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D No, he compared it the 3090 which is true it is a better deal, but he did not mention how it's $500(US) more than the 3080 for 10% uplift in performance. That's a 70% price hike for 10% performance.That is a shit deal. He frowned on the price no price to performance.
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D Making a review for the card before the price is revealed is fucking stupid. Linus and corp shat the bed on this review. The card is a horrible value.
"no brainer at msrp" this card costs literally 1200$. Nearly twice as much as an rtx 3080 and 200$ more than the 6900xt. This is beyond scamming. I can find a 6900xt on the used market for 1300. I honestly expected a price of 950, just to flex on AMDs offering. Guess I'm delusional. Well fewer standard 3080s for us
In a market where supply even remotely met demand, it would. This is just a way to make $300 of extra profit. Would I do the same in Nvidia's shoes? I like to think I wouldn't, but it makes a lot of business sense. It's going to get bought anyway, why not sell it with half the vram at a slight discount?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 No it doesn´t. Not from a market reputation point of view, especially if your big "leads" DLSS and RTX are allready copied (albeit less efficient) by the competition. But hey, Nvidia gives a crap about reputation, just like they give a crap about their non-business customers.
It does in the short run, but not in the long run. Customer loyalty might suffer in the future. More so if AMD closes the tech gap in regards to DLSS and raytracing. They dont even have to fully catch up to be more attractive.
"If you can get one at MSRP, it's a no-brainer." I'm very disappointed, Linus. The 3080 Ti is 70% more expensive than the 3080 for a few % increase in gaming performance. This is an absurd product at that price point, and the fact that you couldn't be bothered to give your review due consideration in the context of that key point diminishes your credibility on this issue. Nvidia does not deserve praise for this launch and it's blatantly obvious to consumers. You need to do better.
To be fair, any gpu you can get at MSRP right now, is a no-brainer. No-brainer in the sense that you should not buy. You're a sap if you're buying any of these ridiculous cards.
Honestly he prolly should've just said 3080 was better deal, do NOT try to buy the 3080ti... Instead he's praising it for some reason like how it's cheaper than 3090. NO ONE was even recommending the 3090 when it launched, he shouldn't even use it as comparison
Linus was the one kvetching about the incomplete prebriefings and now he steps on his own crank with this flip flop garbage defense of a rip off board. This is a blow to their cred.
I got the exact same impression from their recent showcase of the Asus laptop. They're praising it to high heaven but we see no performance data of any kind, making the video little more than an advertisement.
"The MSRP is going to be higher than they would have liked." oh yeah, I'm sure Nvidia is really shedding tears at the decision they had to make. What a brave company charging 70% more for ~8% more performance!
@@Ufphen If you sell everything the second it hits a shelf/store front than no. $12,000 KIA's are basically the cheapest vehicles you can buy new in the US, yet a $45,000 F150 outsells them. Same logic
@@Ufphen You realize the demand for these is insane right? nvidia could sell them at double msrp and they would still sell out instantly. you sound silly
@@dudeanderson2401 Other tech reviewers with 1-5 people working on their videos all posted their reviews in time with more benchmarks and details and they considered the price too how is Linus Media Group with 50 people can't do the same Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed and Bitwit (who made the video on his own btw) did it in time they all have more detail and they all incorparated the price in their reviews this is a big fuck up stop making excuses for LMG.
Totally agree Lucid. Shame on you Linus, are you out of touch like Nvidia that you will now call it a 3080 Tei instead of T I? Both so cringe. First slap make it LHR. Second slap not know how to pronounce your own product. Third slap make it over priced and become scalpers them selves. Nvidia not making good decisions.
agreed 100% I like LMG's approach most of the time, but I would expect them to side more with us gamers/consumers when terrible value products are created.
i also would have liked at least some segment at the end (edited in) about how the 1200$ msrp changes things up. But to be fair here, the expectations going into the video was the "old" internal msrp of 999$ which would make this a "42% price increase for 10% more performace". Still not great but a lot better than it is now. Also the competing products of the 3080ti are the 3090 and the 6900xt. And compared to THOSE cards a 3080TI at the supposed 999$ would be a really good deal for whoever shops in that price segment. "better than competitors" doesnt mean "makes sense for everyone" A 150k Model S plaid compared to a 3 mio Lambo is a massively bonkers better deal and anyone who wants a "hypercar" acceleration wise should absolutely look into it. But that doesnt mean that a 150k car is for "everyone"
Basically yes, this might as well be called a 3090 slim edition, because from a purely gaming to performance at msrp of course the 3080ti looks absolutely terrible compared to the 3080, which is why Linus realized that trying to do any favorable light to this comparing to the 3080 was just not going to happen, so the only logical step was to compare it to the 3090. If your looking for accurate and far review of this product look no further then Gamer's Nexus, who apu only keeps it real.
I miss the days when a video like this would have been titled "GTX 3080 Ti Review" instead of a clickbaity title that offers very little insight into what the video is actually about
After I've watched a single video from Gamers Nexus years ago, I started watching GN videos instead but still keeping an eye for interesting LTT uploads. I always liked the honest-in-depth review/research videos from GN, unlike the "Bribed Quality Content" like this one.
I fail to see how this is Nvidia being more receptive? They literally ignored what everyone wanted, which is more mid-range GPU stock, and went ahead and released a niche high-end card which most consumers wouldnt buy in the first place...
If memory availability was limiting their ability to make rtx 3090 this should in theory make it possible for nvidia to make more money. If everything they produce sells anyways they are always going to make more of the product that makes them the most money.
@@R3BootYourMind "in theory" This is not a standard supply and demand model. The reason graphics cards are low on stock is the relative unavailability of GDDR6X and GPUs on new process nodes. Fabs take years to make, it's not like they can just pay for increased production. There's only so much supply, and Nvidia is putting it towards outrageously expensive cards they know consumers will be forced to buy if they want horsepower. Nvidia is making money off of the backs of scammed consumers, and the fact Linus is praising them for it is disgusting.
@@jmashcomptech If you think he wants some great NVIDIA monopoly instead of a healthy competition from AMD you haven't watched enough of the videos he has made. that said however, i still think this review in particular is not well done, should have had proper $% stats against 3080 because this card is certainly controversial. tired of the same shill shit that these techtubers get, not all of them but lots do
@@jmashcomptech It's not, though. It seems that way but you can't say that with confidence because you really don't know. And like njoshua326 was saying if you consider all of his previous videos, this is out of character for Linus.
top end cards are always less performance per $ of cost. Stop comparing the performance per dollar with the lesser cards. this is a 3090 for gamers that don't need the 24gb of video memory which means paying less for almost the same gaming performance as the 3090
@@illiji915 but this will be an expensive paperweight in 2 years, when they release a 300$ card that's much better than this :\ unless u have the money to buy high-end on release every release cycle. And i mean you have that much disposable income on the regular, buying high end cards is a total and uttter waste of money, definitely not a "no-brainer".
I'm sorry, but that's just a foregone conclusion and adds absolutely no information whatsoever. _Every_ high end product ever in the hardware market has been this way. Yes, it's true that the price-performance-ratio is terrible... but if "bang for your buck" is what you're interested in, you're looking at the wrong hardware tier anyway.
@@f-22raptor25 either way, the current market price for the 3080 isn't $700, it's $900+. So ya, if the Ti launched at the same time, maybe it's priced poorly but right now? I think it's pretty spot on
Bruh you shouldn't watch a review for the trust value though. Reviews have 2 main things, data and opinions (interpretation of data). If the data is correct it should be verifiable with other reviewers, and the interpretation of it you should be able to see if they are consistent, have flaws or if it's illogical. You can even ignore their opinions fully since you can do the thinking for yourself if the data is provided. Trust in this context is irrelevant and unnecessary. If they release a product however... I'd probably perceive it with a negative bias since they've lost touch of their target audience.
how in the world can you recommend a card 10% better then the old one WITHOUT knowing the price !! in your mind price have that much importance to you ? , just wow.
Suck up to NVIDIA, did you even see the video posted literally yesterday. Think this review is flawed but hes not shilling for either company to come out top
@@njoshua3265 he shills for most big PC hardware companies, picking and choosing the timing. He does this so he doesn’t lose access to them and their budgets. Intel doesn’t just give out 5k per LMG employee for the lulz. Linus is a huge sellout, but he’s entertaining enough to keep watching, not to mention he’s got the budget for production value, which is not something most techtubers can say.
@@juubilo1509 it wasn't a oversight , the guy has lost touch with reality, this is what money does to people.... the TI is a massive waste of money and to him its only money so its all good .......
GN Steve had a radically different approach than Linus. I agree with Steve, this is a waste of money. I think it's crazy that LTT called it a "no-brainer", even at MSRP. It's marginally better than a 3080 and has half of the 3090's memory.
just remember that the 3080 FE MSRP is totally irrelevant now. retailers are selling higher end 3080s for over $1000 (including at the VAG program). wipe that $700 price tag from your mind.
This review is about as tone-deaf as Nvidia releasing the ti cards in the current market. 2 more gigs of VRAM and a couple % performance increase over a 3080 is not worth the $500 msrp increase (imo) and trying to position it as a cheaper 3090 alternative is honestly just looking for excuses to say something positive about a product no one was asking for.
@@hueyrosayaga no it wasn’t The 2080ti was 1200$ too Nvidia had no plans to make this cheaper This is a cash grab plain and simple And it’s just now cause people don’t have the money to spend that people realize what scam the past 2 generations of nvidia gpus have been Even $900 would be fine But 1200 without any extra Vram is stupid And don’t say “you get 2 more gb” No you don’t You get 12 less then you should have This is the 3rd generation with the same Vram count What happened to doubling the Vram every generation? People need to wake up and realize that Nvidia isn’t worth buying
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 Then who do you buy? Can you, BornOnTheBattleFront, dissolve the monopoly? Because Nvidia is mandatory for some lines of work
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 It that was really true then the 3080 would have been priced much higher. As usual Nvidia is just ripping off their customers, simply because they can.
These went on sale for $2799 in Australia last night. I had an MSI 3080ti in my cart, allocated, ready to buy, but I couldn't justify the $800 premium over the 3080 with only a 7-10% performance increase. What you've said in the video is mostly correct about performance and stock availability for manufacture, but your recommendation of this card for the price increase vs performance is an absolute meme.
Honestly I think Linus just got hung up on the fact that it's basically a cheaper more efficient 3090 for 99% of use cases. Having said that, I agree. The only reason I bought one myself is because the FE in a local drop here was priced the same as basic-model 3080s cost when in stock in the stores here.
Recommending this over the 3080 is stupid but nvidia want to show that they could beat amd for almost the same price also they were targeting people who were thinking of buying a 3090 for gaming
I get that there's pressure to release reviews as soon as the embargo lifts, but it's flat out impossible to properly evaluate a product without considering the price. Editing in a frowny face at the last second does not count.
@@omarcomming722 he's a sell out as well as an out of touch with reality millionaire, i don't think he cares about these things at all, just wants to make money
@@DINO_X65 Crazy how many people get labeled a sell out because they're successful. Nope can't be anything else at all, not scheduling, or having to run a multimillion dollar operation everyday. Nah just Definitely gotta be a sell out.
@@iTrinityPlays really, then why do all the other reviewers recommend that people steer clear of the card, and only this channel says to buy it if you can for msrp, after a certain point, he no longer cared about educating the viewer
@@iTrinityPlays lol yeah Linus isn't involved in the day-to-day operations of LMG and he isn't even their involved in filming other presenter's segments. If he's using his time for business it's some other business.
"Hi, I'm Linus. Let me release a video saying this is better, faster, cheaper, without actually knowing that, because my work pipeline is so long I'd be last to the pack if I didn't." Quit being a clown. Take the extra hours to know data, then make the video, then release it. Goodness.
nah, he probably knew the price, he sold out to nvidia, guess this is what money does to a person, and his videos have been getting more clickbaity, too bad, his videos used to be good
Steve at Gamers Nexus does way more in depth testing and they waited until they knew the price (as any reviewer with integrity would do) before reviewing it and STILL released it on time. Since they were still able to sneak in that clip about him reacting to the price, I don't see why he couldn't have waited like an hour or two to make the video.
But he makes more money doing it this way and the army of children that sub here are the real audience. LTT doesn't care about facts, they are here to sell you. Stop watching LTT, ffs.
or at least made a "last minute edit" part adressing the glaring issue of the official asking price. Like at the end something along the lines of 'well at 1200$ its just too expensive so dont buy it' But on the other hand i dont know how complicated their production pipeline is so i give them a little slacc for this one
MSRP is wholly irrelevant currently though. Any product launched in the next 18 months is most likely not going to carry MSRP price and by the time the prices level out it will have received RRP price drops or new options on the market. So the best thing you can do is compare based on other options available on today so the consumer can look at actual retail prices and see if the performance and feature set is worth that much coin compared to other options.
"As powerful as their previous king, but at a significantly lower price." Yeah, except it's much much more significantly higher price than the next tier down for barely any more performance. Fail.
Comparing the 3080ti to the 3090 is like saying "drinking the liquid you put in your washing machine is really safe compared to drinking a litre of cyanide". The 3090 is a stupid, overpriced card for gaming in the first place, so almost any card will look good compared to it. Even if that card, like the 3080ti, is also a stupid ripoff.
@@daraclancy2875 The 3090 is realistically for graphics WORK, rather than gaming. Comparing ANY gaming card to a 3090 makes NO sense at all, really...🤔
@@jiijijjijiijiij Do you honestly think that 4K and 8K gaming is a big enough customer segment that they'd ever give enough of a shit to make it a mainstream card at this time? Wow, you're either rich and totally blind/ignorant of the real world, or you massively overestimate the quality that most people game at.😂 The reason the 3090 has as much memory as it does, is mostly for workloads, not gaming.
The 3090 isn't even the real gaming card flagship. It's the Titan card overpriced with VRAM for professionals/creators. The 3080 Ti lines up with the 3080 and yet retains the ridiculous Titan price tag.
If you think he wants some great NVIDIA monopoly instead of a healthy competition from AMD you haven't watched enough of the videos he has made. that said however, i still think this review in particular is not well done, should have had proper $% stats against 3080 because this card is certainly controversial. tired of the same shill shit that these techtubers get, not all of them but lots do
Yeah, paying 70% more for 10% better performance over the standard 3080 isn't right. They're straight up comparing the wrong GPUs. The "Ti" versions have always been viewed as upgraded versions, not something that's supposed to be compared to the next level up.
So … the mess that my 3090 has caused me (black screen crashes that I've tried every fix under the sun to get rid of) will be fixed by this? … will NVidia exchange my 3090 for the 3080ti - probably not. I'm just down almost £1.9k because NVidia cut corners designing a card. Smh.
It is funny that you mention that your 3090 has poor performance. My buddies 3090 also seems to have poor performance and is a complete dogshit overclocker.
Have to say I'm really liking the 3080 TI that I bought in July 2022, new, well below MSRP. Yes, I waited. Don't care that there will be something new soon that will almost certainly cost more. There's always something new coming out. My 3080 TI will probably be in my system for 5 years.
Same, not a 3080 ti I bought a rtx 3060 ti but I can see it being in my system till it can’t provide performance I’m not happy with it which just estimating with be mostly likely 3-4 years from now but it so far has me beyond happy.
Just goes to show how much editorial quality has become second priority to production quality on LTT, they didn’t even wait for the price reveal before shooting the video. I guess the extra editing time was more important
Absolutely agree. I don't think he is a shill but if you can't make a review with knowing all the important details (and price is like one of the most important aspects) well maybe you should not upload it at all... That's how you know it is more about entertainment and less about actual professional reporting. This review was a major dud.
@@leolego2 I have no opinion on the card. But I would however like to point out how triggered you seem to be by the very community you are also criticizing for being triggered.. kind of ironic right? lmao... hope your day gets better my guy and I truly mean that
There is so many things wrong with this review that I'm not even going to start listing them. All I will say is it's an embarrassment for LTT and I will not be able to consider their reviews as legitimate anymore. Maybe you're trying to make a few too many videos a week there, bud. Damn! I mean, even Jay managed to keep himself from fawning all over this thing! WTF Linus?!? Seriously, how much is Nvidia paying you?
Very disappointed with this review by Linus - he completely accepted Nvidia's talking points on comparing the 3080ti against the 3090 rather than the 3080... "It's a no-brainer"??? What in the world Linus.... 70% more for 5-10% improvement... and this is on the MSRP, which is "supposed to be reasonable". Even if you would have had to re-record the entire video, it would have been better than making yourself seem like a fool.
@@chagi4334 It doesn't matter. If the current market is charging 3x MSRP, it's still way better to pay 3x MSRP over USD699 than it is to pau 3x MSRP over USD1199 for a 15% (sometimes not even that) performance bump.
@@chagi4334 there is an argument to be made. Lots of people bought 3090s because they wanted a new card and it was hard to get anything else. This would at least be a better version of that position if you can get it at MSRP. I am still on the "not going to buy till I see reasonable prices" bandwagon. And believe me... It does hurt. But I am not going to let these corps walk all over me. I can endure less than ideal fps and smaller than ideal resolutions for quite a while longer.
What's the issue? It's a premium card like all other 80ti's and is priced accordingly. And the shortage bumps the prices even more. I think people just don't like nvidia cause they think amd runs a charity for gamers (they're a business with share holders, they want money)
@@disliker7182 They have already had their biggest revenue year ever in the history of the company. Shareholders are fine as they are. And is it not "priced accordingly with other TI's." The 2080Ti was a 30% performance increase over the 2080 for 70%. This MSRP is a 72% increase for an 8% gain (Only makes a difference at 4k anyways.) 10 Sereis > 30% = 40% Price increase 20 series > 15% = 70% Price increase. 30 series > 8% = 72% Price increase. They simply want more money and it's a shameless move for them to make. It is bad value and not a good product, and should never be bought. The 2080Ti was already known as being bad value, so a card that's even worse would, understandably, be even worse value. EDIT: I'd just like to clarify that the shortage doesn't really affect NVIDIA negatively, only from a PR standpoint. From a business standpoint, it gives them more money than they actually should receive because of demand not being able to be met. So that point is kinda invalid also.
Yeah, and there was also a note at the bottom that said the video was shot before they knew the MSRP, which sounds a little like a lie to me but what do I know.
The video misses a tag “Included paid Promotion" 3080TI is being sold for 4k$ USD and you can buy 6900XT for 2k$ USD with that information do the comparison again.
@@supersop1367 Do you realize that my comment is 1 month old? And at that time price for 3080TI was 4k$ USD in my country and 3090 went for 5k$ (tax inc.) 6900XT went for 2k$. Atm 6900XT still goes for 2k$, 3080TI 2.2k$ and 3090 goes for 3.5k$
@@dr_birb My point is that they already have problems producing 3060/70/80/90s. Having more scews in between to produce is not going to make the supply any better. They didn't really have to announce it now, it's just spitting in our faces when they clearly know they can't sell these to non-miners/scalpers atm.
GN Steve is right. A card that costs 70%+ more than the 3080 for less than a 10% improvement in performance is highway robbery. NVidia is just getting into the scalping game themselves, taking advantage of a totally dysfunctional market. At the end of the day, AMD's FSR is really the only thing most gamers actually have to look forward to in the near future; hopefully lots of game devs get on board with that.
@@NathansAirsoftAnd3D Oh, I know. That's why I'm not talking about this video, because the price reveal has basically made it irrelevant. And now everyone and their mom is calling Linus an NVidia shill. Poor guy, lol. Can't wait to see how they address this.
Gotta say, I'm surprised he's doubling down on this review now. I'm sorry, but who tf is this card for? People driving Ferraris to Micro Center? FFS, nobody asked for this thing. So many people are hurting out there, they're broke and they've got kids screaming for video games and NVidia's got nothing for them. Just absurd.
@@hollyc5417 indeed, gamers nexus have called it a waste of money for how much it costs as well, but how do they know what the price is but linus doesnt, sus
@@hollyc5417 In what way does that show that he's a shill...? Everything he stated about the card's performance before the price is still true, and they used the "sad" reaction after they could insert the actual price. I don't get the point you're making.
@@friedengilbert8067 it's only about 10% more performance than a regular 3080 for 500 dollars more. If anyone's looking for value for money they'd buy the $699 3080. And if anyone is looking for the absolute best they should buy the 3090. Anyone who can buy a $1200 dollar card would just pay $1500 for the double VRAM of the 3090.
It was intentional to generate them most clicks and make the most money. LTT are about generating revenue, they don't care about educating their audience. You watching a channel of product marketing and clickbait tiktok videos, not a tech channel.
Yep. And it starts to feel irrelevant with all those review of all the cards you can't buy. I gave up waiting for my ASUS 3080 with EK water block, I ordered in November, there will probably be a 4080 by the time they could deliver.
@@leolego2 The exact words are written by other writers but reviewed by Linus. However, the narrative and general consensus is directed by Linus himself
@@LapisPebble ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-A-a-wzQPZfs.html Obviously you didn't watch the video. Literally in the intro it says they didn't know the MSRP when they made this video.
He will say "because we need to act quick, we have a big team, we didn't know msrp, things i said in video still true" etc. Reviewing any product without knowing price is bad journalism. I like ltt a lot but they become more Verge-like as they get bigger.
@@leolego2 that's not how it works. Both Nvidia and Ltt get their money by that nerds and we are just giving constructive feedback. We are ltt fans too, this is just a mistake.
@@jakekiedaisch2279 Did he give "good" reasons though? Linus compared the scalper 3080 prices to the MSRP of the 3080Ti to justify the price of the 3080Ti... In this video he admits that he has know idea what the MSRP would even be for the 3080Ti! How can Linus recommend that people purchase the 3080Ti in this video before he even knows the price?? Linus can't accept that he is wrong about anything.
This is definitely where LTT's higher production value bites them in the butt. GN had the more up to date info in their video since they're much less flashy but way more educational. LTT probably wouldn't have time to rewrite the review based on these scalping prices.
@@irishguy9001 agreed and you know what, I prefer the grittier feel of Steve's videos too. LTT has become more like TV and the whole reason I turned away from that is because it was all for show and no substance.
It's so funny to see how different Linus and Steven from GN are aproaching the review. Linus is happy to get a basicly 3090 for less and Steven bashes the card for being only 10%ish better than the 3080 but costs ~$400 more. I love it.
@@How23497 at MSRP the 3080Ti is 500$ more than the 3080 and 300$ less than the 3090, while compared to the 3090 its loosing half its RAM when only gaining 20% on the 3080. Yeah its a money grab. It isn't necessarly bad in the current climate. That depends, among others, on how NVIDIA handles it, whether it diverts more 3090s to it or more 3080s. And to be honest I don't at all trust Nvidias claims here, the fact that they're asking 1200$ for this card and have the balls to claim it's primarily to help gamers and not to increase their cut of the current market all but proves their motivation and likely strategy. It is, however, any way you put it, desastrous for the market after the current situation. Because the 3090 already saw Nvidia massively increase their profit span, without the 3090 having many of the traditional advantages of the Titans. The 3080Ti costs Nvidia almost the same to make as the 3080, but the consumer costs are far closer to the 3090. And that's not just Scalper prices, but Nvidia MSRP. Which means it'll continue to be a thing after the current situation, they obviously don't aim to reduce pricing after the current situation stops. If Nvidia were only trying to increase their cut in the current climate (which I'm actually somewhat okay with), they'd not increase their MSRP but they'd just hike the price they're selling the cards to their partners for.
I honestly don’t know why Steve is bitching about it, theres literally no chance were going to buy any of those cards for Msrp. I got my hands on 2 3070’s and I had to buy them at 3x MSRP after spending 6 months trying to buy them because I had no choice. It’s stupid
I think Linux is either an nvidia fanboy, or they paid him to scream "BUY THIS!" because EVERY OTHER review says don't buy it! Also "FSR Won't compete with DLSS" - Linus
FSR probably wont compete (on FPS) because DLSS uses separate cores which the Radeon doesn't have, just like it doesn't compete in ray tracing simply because it sacrifices time in the pipeline to do the ray tracing instead of having separate cores for just that.
We need to be very cautious with FSR, I agree that pure post process upscalers are usually pretty bad. If FSR doesn't include options for Checkerboarding then I will be disappointed.
@@dawkosvk I disagree. The 3080 launch MSRP matches the 2080 launch MSRP. The 3080 Ti FE launch MSRP matches the 2080 TI FE launch MSRP. NVIDIA targets pricing tiers, this generation is no different.
In his defence, compared to the RTX 3090 and RX 6900XT it's alright. These top-end cards have never been good value, but it makes no sense for the average gamer. The 3080 is the top-end card among the reasonably priced ones.
@@leonro No it isn't alright, that's what Nvidia wants you to compare it to because it's less of a SHIT deal in that case. 3090 was an atrocious deal for gaming for any normal person, it only got a pass for technically being the Titan of this gen. It only makes sense to compare the new GPU to the last reasonably priced flagship, the 3080. Even their initial planned $1000 would've been awful as anything over $800 for the pathetic boost in performance is theft. 1080 Ti was a $700 beast that was $100 more than the 1080 with a 30% performance uplift, while the 3080 Ti is right back to Turing levels of awful and probably even worse.
@@PleyVi Besides Nvidia who will be able to continue to extract as much money as possible from the market by basically making the 3090 slime edition, with less ram, so they will be able to maybe print those cards a little bit faster, im sure the move by Nvidia to make as much money as possible in the current market conditions was all well calculated, since they know regardless of performance, regardless of price, this will be about as much out of stock as all other cards right now.
@@reijhinru1474 The semiconductor shortage is not going to be anywhere near as bad as it is right now. The principle of regression to the mean all but guarantees that Lovelace will be significantly easier to obtain than current-gen cards.
@KingOfGorillas M1 can’t run games natively it can only emulate. For most tasks emulation is fine but gaming specifically will suffer a lot. Also the main concern isn’t whether it will run the games, but rather if the games will be on Mac OS to begin with. I bought my dad an M1 Mac mini and I tried to play some grid 2 on it to test the “better than the ps4 graphics” claim and it was not a fun time
He knows exactly what he's doing,this video proves that he's just a shill who will take money to mislead his audience. This clown makes a ridiculous amount of money as it is,but he wants more so he lies to his audience for a check from huge companies like Nividia.
@@gonzo9769 Pretty sure he mentioned it was because the specs are basically the same, about.... 3-4 times? not that hard to miss. He should have mentioned more of the 3080, but he was going for a more direct comparison. I like how you call him a clown when hes probably more educated in these matters than 95% of the ppl in these comments
