Should Marcus Smith keep his place against Ireland?

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"If you throw him out know it's the worst possible thing you could do to the young man!"
Will Marcus Smith keep his place at 10 for England in Dublin next week?
Matt Williams & Rob Kearney discuss.
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@squidandchips Год назад

You can't expect a fly half to create on the back foot. The forwards didn't show up.

@sakabula2357 Год назад

Lol..the forwards and the backs didn't turn up

@squidandchips Год назад

@@sakabula2357 Yes, but it's difficult for the backs to do anything if the forwards don't provide quick ball and momentum. I'm not disagreeing though!

@davidpeters3857 Год назад

💯

@oisinfitzgerald5401 Год назад

Yeah Smith can’t polish a turd. I really don’t see what Farrell will do that smith can’t with this team

@fredrickjsimpson Год назад

England loves to blame a single person. The whole team from coach to the number 23 were terrible.

@LeMerch Год назад

Guardian reader I see lol

@dazeng4633 Год назад

Bit of a generalisation but I know what you mean

@alexhutchens9768 Год назад

Not one person to blame. The entire team was shocking. Haven't heard one person being called out .

@cdf2885 Год назад

Freddie steward had a good game

@alexjames1022 Год назад

Steward came out with some credit. But even he had a poor game in part. He got done by power and speed numerous times.

@staceyleeellis9160 Год назад

The forwards were the ones making the mistakes. The breakdown was shocking. Smith wasn’t the issue

@alexjames1022 Год назад

Smith's kicking from hand, when he did have rare opportunities, was also poor. The pack was the first without doubt, but let's not pretend the English backs had a good game.

@mansellf1-ow9go Год назад

How on earth can we judge a 10 who had to play outside of THAT performance from 1-9? Love JVP and he’ll come again but he was woeful yesterday. The pack were ANNIHALATED in the breakdown, the tackle, and in contact. Marcus Smith cannot be judged on yesterday- he was a passenger in a demolition job quite frankly. We could have had Dan Carter at 10 and we’d still have been absolutely pummelled. Superb from the French and what a team they have heading into RWC 2023 at home.

@smoozerish Год назад

England still think their forwards can power their way through other teams to win. That may have been the case in the past when their large pool of playing numbers always turned up a few beefy monsters. Things have changed now where modern nutrition, strength and conditioning training and sports science have leveled the playing field for smaller nations, and now it's down to pure skill set and creativity. This is where England lacks, having genuine creative ball players. They do exist in England but they don't get picked because the English championship still leans towards playing the raw power game.

@TrezenEN Год назад

Absolutely - England appears to be full of meatheads.

@mattjones3361 Год назад

They're correct, in that the 10 was the least of our problems. We were beat convincingly in the forwards, especially the back row and at the breakdown, then the 9, rvp, exasperates things by being too damn slow, so we're already under immense pressure when smith gets it. Then you look at danty and fickou, dominating Lawrence and Slade. No 10 in the world would have had a good game in an England shirt yesterday. But give credit where credits due, the French we're magnificent, every part of their game was firing! Fair play to them.👍

@colstoun4762 Год назад

When the Mitchell, Smith and Farrell started in the second half it was the best 10 minutes of the game for England due to that combination in my opinion

@reddwarf3d728 Год назад

It’s unbelievable how Matt Williams continues to defend Smith but still criticises Russell 😂

@Melchett4805 Год назад

Smith looked clueless today and doesn't have the same rugby brain and ability to see things on the pitch as Finn.

@ThePereubu1710 Год назад

Smith and Russel are entirely different players.

@ThePereubu1710 Год назад

@@Melchett4805 Russell wouldn't have made any significant difference to England today. This was a team failure. Smith "looked clueless" because he was given slow ball, he had no support, his forwards were slow and lazy, his back line was uncreative. He didn't have a good game, sure, but then neither did anyone else! (with the exception, maybe, of Itoje and Steward but even he displayed the mobility of an oil tanker)

@GRB-tj6uj Год назад

Farrell at least gives you experience and leadership. This team fell apart mentally and the decision making on the penalties was atrocious (if you kick those two penalties you at least are still in the game at half time). Genge is not ready to captain this team in Dublin with a championship on the line for Ireland, so if Borthwick has any sense he will start Farrell.

@king_clueless Год назад

Matt Williams speaking so much sense

@Valhalla88888 Год назад

Smith can't tackle a bag of crisps

@lukask4498 Год назад

He's offensive upside is great, defense is way below international standard. Hard to bealive that he's the best England can find.

@Dreyno Год назад

I thought he mixed it up well. Sometimes he did a hitch kick before getting smashed in the tackle and sometimes he did a hitch kick before passing to someone other hapless f&cker to get smashed in the tackle. And similarly in defence, the opposing players never knew if he was going for the bounce or the speed bump technique.

@joedennehy386 Год назад

Hard for backs to shine when the forwards are being smashed off the park.

@elliottabor8512 Год назад

If this was Farrell at ten he'd get the blame

@jonkernow5529 Год назад

What great analysis. Farrell would have made no difference so stick with Smith. JVP is a problem so bring in Randall.

@Moggy471 Год назад

The old adage that forwards win matches and backs say by how much still rings true. Dan Carter, Johnny Wilkinson or Barry John would have struggled behind that England pack.

@TrezenEN Год назад

Don't think it matters if I am being totally honest. Both Marcus and Farrell looked lost against France. People point to how Marcus made the most metres - but in reality he only did this through not passing the ball when he should have on numerous occasions. There was a sense of blind panic from the get-go across all facets of the game.

@robjessop5864 Год назад

…fab analysis of the game… agree entirely…

@nickybutt9733 Год назад

Rob Kearney is a seriously handsome man, but good GOD doesn't he know it

@stevenbissett Год назад

What makes you say that?

@thecuttingsark5094 Год назад

100% agree with the Aussie. I’ve been saying for ages that no 10 is the least of our problems. That said, I don’t know why Smith was thrown in at the deep end in this game, it makes no sense and doesn’t seem like a Borthwick decision.

@dazeng4633 Год назад

Exactly what I couldn't understand, why not give him a go against Italy instead? Seemed like he was set up to fail.

@mikedon5205 Год назад

This was a result Ireland could have done without . England players to a man will have a point to prove now next Sunday

@scottbellingham4591 Год назад

If you want to see the best of Smith then build your team around his style of playing. Scotland do this around Finn Russell and look at the results.

@isitwasit8756 Год назад

Team sports rely on everyone doing their job effectively as an individual for the team to be able to function as a unit..

@99037149 Год назад

Matt Williams is a total hypocrite. He has spent years slagging off Finn Russell for performances just like Smith's today. He never once pointed to deficiencies in other areas of the teams Russell played in but here defends Marcus Smith. He is correct the English 9 was awful but Smith has to take his share of the blame.

@Mike-ym6rl Год назад

I believe that Farrell is far more effective at flyhalf than Smith...especially for the big games. Put Smith on the bench.

@williamorchard3890 Год назад

I wouldn't let van Poortvliet cut the oranges without adult supervision. How he gets a start has me baffled

@tigerspuds Год назад

He needs to sort his fringe out. It looks ridiculous.

@andrewkeppler1000 Год назад

Smith needs a big bull of inside center like he has at Harlequins unfortunately England don't have one there's no doubting Smith's skills but he needs space and quick service to use them

@richardmccann5359 Год назад

Absolutely agree. I have been saying this for a long time. Semi joking but I would put Cockasinga (not sure of spelling) at 12. Very least it would create havoc with Lawrence at 13. Fear next weekend could be even worse against Ireland.

@mlguy8376 Год назад

Our full back was our best player today and he was outclassed by pace easily - Marcus was a liability in the tackle “tap and stand there and back in the line” - I agree can not drop Marcus and this is smack in the face learning lesson. But to drop Eddie so close to the WC was stupid..

@vinekeep1 Год назад

Eddie is the cause of all this, with his development and selection, result, lack of depth and combination.

@iamzimbo857 Год назад

Very stupid

@GRB-tj6uj Год назад

@@vinekeep1 Eddie won a series in Australia in his last year and drew with the ab's, so the whole argument that this is still on him is nonsense as he clearly got better results out of them

@mlguy8376 Год назад

@@vinekeep1 I tell you something Eddie or any international coach with England should not be getting such a score line. Not saying this is Borthwicks fault he has proven himself, but this was a poison chalice - I guess it could have rolled the other way (not talking about this game!)

@squidandchips Год назад

@@vinekeep1 I'd say a more pressing problem is why England don't seem to create many world class players despite the resources and player pool.

@eamonndoyle136 Год назад

The biggest problem was the management. The forwards were absolutely rubbish.

@annmcl5119 Год назад

NO LEADERSHIP in the England team. OWEN FARRELL immediately changed the dynamic. He is a leader..

@canadiancontent352 Год назад

Smith and Farrell can be Ford and Farrell, but they need a big athletic 13.

@alexjames1022 Год назад

There's an argument to be made that Smith at 10 allowed the French to repeatedly expose and pummel his channel, which they did. Smith made tackles, but he always lost ground on the gainline. Smith wasn't the reason England lost- that's on the forwards primarily; also the backs- but if Farrell had started, I doubt the French would have felt they could exploit that area as much as they did.

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774 Год назад

The reason the No.10 channel was exposed was because there were no loose forwards cutting down the runners before they got at the 10.

@TheWolfandreptile Год назад

England surely has better halfbacks than Van Poortvliet?

@davidbrear8642 Год назад

Young Arundell has more power and pace than any other England back. He should perhaps be playing at centre. Today, out on the wing in the second half, he never touched a ball.

@99037149 Год назад

To play centre you have to be defensively very good. I would doubt Arundell would have done well against Fickou and Dante.

@joedennehy386 Год назад

A centre needs vision, defence, and most of all the ability to put a man away with a good pass. Arundell, should certainly get more time at wing, but Centre? You're dreaming

@davidbrear8642 Год назад

@@joedennehy386 And how do you know that young Arundell can't do all those things or can't learn how to do all those things? A good centre needs to able to break the defensive line and to hold the defensive line. From what I've seen of Arundell, not only has he the abilty to get away himself, he also knows how to put men away.

@davidbrear8642 Год назад

@@99037149 You must be thinking of another Arundell - the one who is not 6ft tall, almost 100kgs and who has been scoring tries and making crunching tackles at fullback for his club.

@99037149 Год назад

@@davidbrear8642 It's not about being able to tackle or the size of the player. It's a completely different position and skill set required.

@redjackdeer5154 Год назад

Having trained at Kindergarten all week , England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 came out to Play.!!!!!!!

@Driver2616 Год назад

Marcus Smith just isn’t able for this level. Yes, at club level he’s excellent but he just can’t step up another level…

@BarryHawk Год назад

Farrell needs to be starting 10, Smith on the bench. But this has been an unbelievably poison chalice for Borthwick. They have one competitive game before the RWC, barring a miracle they're fucked. It was too late in the cycle to shove Jones.

@pixelpotato4874 Год назад

Should anybody keep their place in the England side?

@Brucemcleod2345 Год назад

Marcus Smith and Freddy Steward looked like the only 2 English players with any grit.

@jackchan9529 Год назад

True… jthe rest ust walking 80 minutes…need overhaul including coaching staff….

@ab2pcs Год назад

Farrell was yards off the pace .. hope Eng play him , they will get another hammering

@paulstaples7854 Год назад

Issues run far deeper. Decline of financial stability in Premiership rugby. Decline in quality. Way off in strength & conditioning. Complete failure compared to France and Ireland in developing the U20 cohort. Bonfire of talent. Less than three England starting team get on the bench for the best four or five teams in the world. Reality check. Five years away from giving good teams a game.

@Cora342 Год назад

Fully believe England will bring our stiffest test yet . They have absolutely nothing to lose snd can easily spoil the irish party . All the pressure on a weakened Irish side We are good but we are getting way ahead of our selves Watch out for Australia in the workl cup

@littlejohn2708 Год назад

This loss has nothing to do with Smith. This loss is purely as a result of the England scrum not performing.

@morris9337 Год назад

It wasn’t for lack of trying, France were just better at almost every facet of the game

@canadiancontent352 Год назад

Smith z00

@mark.e.p Год назад

England pack looked so slow. Backs were constantly out of position. Then you have Cole & Mako off the bench. I've never been impressed by VP either.

@xpat73 Год назад

No 10 would have looked good behind a pack that got demolished and had no front foot ball.

@stevenrussellhaime6626 Год назад

Owen Farrell is Englands best player he should have started

@joedennehy386 Год назад

He isn't and shouldn't have, as a neutral

@DomDeDom Год назад

England didn't play at all. Fully rested for the match against Ireland 🇮🇪

@francoiscollet5456 Год назад

England are sh--te end of.

@Rafael-xt1nm Год назад

No. He's simply not an international level flyhalf. He's been massively overrated for a while now, and it goes to show how under-appreciated Farrell and Ford are. I hope both start next week.

@hubb5075 Год назад

Very poor take

@ryanmacdonnell8987 Год назад

That’s harsh c’mon

@WalsallGooner Год назад

He’s not international level. DuPont would put in an much better effort a tackle on the likes on Ollivon, also there was some poor decision making, he was given the open field to show his capability and he failed

@jimmylovescake6813 Год назад

Load of shite!....Smith had it, but need sharp delivery from a 9 that can move the ball at a pace faster than a sloth.

@hubb5075 Год назад

@@WalsallGooner what open field? He didn’t get front foot ball once. He was easily the top 3 best England players. Attention should be elsewhere, not on Smith. JVP starting at 9 was much worse

@meretehuia3407 Год назад

No 😢

@bryanmccraw6981 Год назад

Prancing Pony! No he’s not the best England have.

@johnhanson5943 Год назад

M. Smith isn’t it. Farrell is past it. A large number of England players are past it - and never were really ‘it’. Itoje is a classic example. Forwards go forward - offload - secure quick ball - or are Backwards instead of Forwards. Without going forward, you don’t win at rugby - mostly. Especially with England’s relatively ordinary backs - including Smith of the annoying hair issue and overdone goose-step prancing about.

@ianjacobs2998 Год назад

As a South African I was criticized. Farrell is the one. Smith is a club player,that's al he is. ITOJE is overrated. HE IS💩💩

@davidpeters3857 Год назад

💯 the brits are bang average

@AlexGrocio Год назад

VAN POORTVLIET🤦‍♂

@zulu3621 Год назад

Smith fails every time in a team like this. If you want to build a team around smith then do so, if not then don’t play him.

@kevinpillay6103 Год назад

Smith is too weak for a fly half against massive forward packs like France, SA, Ireland. But overall England just have too many weaknesses from scrum half , the wingers, centre, front row.

@cro649 Год назад

Bergamasco Van Poortvliet is a terrible 9.

@andrewharris1837 Год назад

No.

@goldenpass4766 Год назад

Smith is way too worried about his bouncing hair. Watch out for the next head and shoulders advert.

@MoonHoax-md6mp Год назад

This massive defeat couldn't have happened to a more deserving team! 😂 No depth in the Premiership Competition or the U20's. England to languish at 7 to 10th place in World Rugby Rankings for the next 7 years at least. Six Nations is actually 2 and 1/2 Nations; Ireland, France and 1/2 Scotland. Italy, Wales and England are becoming irrelevant.