Should Muslims Believe In Evolution? | Subboor Ahmad 

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I am seeing the atheist missionries entered the comment section just to degrade such hounerable conversation. They want to prove him wrong just by changing and deviating terminologies. And not getting the intellectual points Saboor raised .

The advantage of science is that it can be changed when new facts are discovered that contradict the previous theory. What we thought, for example, 50 years ago has changed and what we think we know today can be change tomorrow. Science is constantly evolving(nothing is written in stones). And that’s the beauty of it my friends.

Too many straw man arguments. First of all, the title of the video is meaningless. When it comes to evolution, there's no "belief" involved. It is a model that describes empirical facts/observations. You can either accept the model or reject the model. If you can gather more data, the model may need to be revised to reflect new observations. To say "I believe in evolution" or "I don't believe in evolution" is to make science into theology. Science is not about beliefs, it's about hard data and inferences made from that data. I think it's a bit pointless for us Muslims (alhamdulillah I am muslim even though my youtube name is Joe Bloggs, just for anonymity) to discuss this topic on the basis of belief/lack of belief. Also, it's pointless and a waste of time to dismiss the theory of evolution from theology alone. The only scientifically credible way to dismiss the theory of evolution is to offer an alternative model to evolution that can explain all observed and logically inferred hard facts with regards to evolution. A model that can explains the fossils, genetics, anatomy etc. A model that can be tested, used to make predictions and that can be falsified. Only then, will we Muslim make any inroads into defeating the current model. I don't "believe" in evolution as an article of faith or as the absolute truth, but I accept that the current model as the best explanation of observed facts but as Muslims, we need to do our research and find an alternative model. Unfortunately, this is very difficult at the moment due to immense lack of investment into scientific research from Muslim countries - most are too poor and have other pressing issues, some are too corrupt, and the ones that are rich (i.e. gulf), can't be bothered and don't have the free and open society that allows for free thinking. It is a very tough situation to get out of. What's more, we have scholars and preachers who are not really trained in the natural sciences, they speak freely on this matter and throw Muslim scientists out of the fold of Islam who accept evolution -- all based on THEIR interpretation of the primary Islamic sources. This is dangerous. If scholars and preachers haven't studied biology at an academic level, they are not qualified to speak with authority on this matter -- they should just say " I don't know" .

As a scientist, i can confirm science is not static, but as a Muslim, i can confirm that the Quran is Allahs word and is unchangable.

I am not sure why people try to compare Quran with scientific findings when something is in line to scientific facts and say "see Quran also says same thing" while in some cases when science contradicts Quran they either try to fit explanation some how or simply say "Science can change tomorrow". Yes, science can evolve and change but some basics are never gonna change such as "Earth is Round" will never change....Similarly there might be facts that might contradict with Quran. It's not about only Quran but all Vedas, Bible or any other religious books which people might believe that are words of God.... There are hundreds on religions and everyone has their faith and beliefs and we should respect that but I think God has given us brain and we should be happy to raise questions if something seems illogical, or not true....Peace 🤞

'They[scientists] believe with certainty that the universe was eternal' This is false, scientists dont believe anything with certainty, not even gravity. They may have believed that it was highly likely that the universe was eternal, but that is not the same thing as certainty at all.

2:54 you can't say that they believed that with certainty, the whole basis of science is nothing is 'proven' and every theory can be wrong or proven wrong. Any scientist that is 100% certain of their theory and it doesn't allow room for it to be debunked isn't being scientific

You are one of the most open-minded people I’ve ever seen. I haven’t said this to anyone, I am proud of you my brother.

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Belief is not required as evolution is already a proven fact. Small changes in DNA over long periods of time as well as environmental influences can and will dictate what happens to a species down the line. Rejecting evolution is like rejecting gravity. It’s a fact of life.

The relation among all living things through DNA analysis is irrefutable. Just like our DNA matches with our fathers and mothers, it also matches with other living things. It shows the biological connection among all living things. Now, yes, surely there are many things in the concept of evolution that are being and can be researched further but some basic facts are not gonna change. It's the sub-theories within it that will keep on refining all the time. This is what the scientific method all about.

I was disappointed with this video as the topic was not addressed. The only point I came away with is that as Muslims we're to accept the Quran as always correct, even if it contradicts what science has uncovered. I expected either exploration of some scientific concepts or excerpts from the Quran, hadith or some learned opinion from a scholar of Islam. I got little to none of these.

Br Musa I respect what you're doing with these podcasts but please dont interrupt the speaker I know you're used to the chit chat with brothers sometimes on these shows thats fine to talk over in that kind of show but this is an intellectual topic and is a very deep subject so please let br subboor finish then gently intervene to move on. Its vital to learn the art of presenting a show if one wishes to be successful and please accept my negative feedback.

Fabulous mashallah brother saboor always clear in his words may Allah increse in his knowledge ameen

I actually did not know his name, but I really enjoyed one of his videos titled "the forbidden prophecies". It was so eloquent and so much to take from that lecture. Now I know who he is.

Alhamdulillah very good discuss.

Mashallah brother nice explanation

assalam o alaikum...just watched Subboor Ahmad's podcast with Zia bhai (in Molvi with an attitude) and was really impressed by the knowledge he has,Mashaa Allah...our country really need people like you ,stay blessed

Jazak Allahu khayran🥺

The scientific method is the best method of understanding the natural world we have. Religious priests claims of the 'truth' should be challenged and questioned by critical thinking .

But did he talk about evolution? Or any other specific elvoutionary theory in detail? No!!! With no disrespect to Islam and followers, There is huge amount of information/ archeological evidence/ which is extremely logical which believers of Islam don't even look at as they already would prefer to believe it to be untrue. I would say please read up on evolution in detail, and then definitely reject it if truely doesn't work for you. For example how neantherthals' physique evolved around survival in extreme conditions and how homosapiens have a bigger cranial cavity because of relatively easier survival leading to more brain activity. There is a lot more substantial information. Rejecting without delving into it suggests towards insecurity around one's belief system. I hope I'm not hurting any sentiments.

Can we have English subtitle please. There is problem in understanding some words Thank you

I searched "new trailer for dumb and dumber" and somehow this was the first recommendation

Dear brothers in lslam please please translate these intelligent discussions specifically brother Saboor, one of the best... Please translate in the beautiful Arabic language...appreciate these amazing Muslims which have taken Islam as thier responsibility.. MashaAllah,,, O" Allah by your grace and power increase thier knowledge and bless them in your way..

0:17 interesting how the question was “Evolution: do we believe in it as Muslims?” instead of “Evolution: is it true?”

I completely get that science is always being revised, so in that sense you can't have 100% complete certainty in it. But how can you have 100% certainty in the Quran? Just because the Quran isn't being changed doesn't mean it's 100% correct, surely?

The steady state theory was a hypothesis and I agree that most scientists thought it was probably true back in the day. That was because they didn't have evidence it wasn't. By Occam's razor it seemed reasonable to not posit any other hypotheses but I emphasize that it was a hypothesis, which of courae needed testing to approach confirmation. I disagree that -- as your distinguished speaker said -- any scientists believed it with anything close to "absolute certainty" -- though you can't rule out people who are so invested in an idea they can't recognize a contradiction when it comes along. Most adopted it cautiously as the best first approximation given the information they had. Then along comes Edwin Hubble who showed that the universe was expanding using red shifts of spectra from distant objects. This of course blew steady state out of the water and led to the hypothesis of the big bang where the universe has a beginning. The evidence there is the calculation we make from running the expansion backwards. We think it's true because we don't have any more information that would explain an expanding universe that didn't start at some time in the past. My point being: Science is NOT a bunch of unchanging claims and fancy equations. As your speaker pointed out, it constantly checks itself and changes as evidence comes in. I respect people of faith including my Islamic friends but I do not see in faith the same self-correcting mechanism. Evolution is currently the prevailing dogma in biology but it could certainly be adapted or even rejected if new evidence contradicts it. That seems as unlikely at this point that we would change our understanding of F=ma. The evidence is quite strong and there aren't any biologists I know (and I know a few including some Muslims) who think that is likely to happen. I am not a Muslim but I really enjoyed your discussion which was at a rational level far above the attacks I see on evolution in the non-Muslim faith community. Assalamu Aleikum.

The best answer to this video is something that Sam harris says. Name one thing for which we once had a scientific answer and now it's been proved wrong by religion. You can't. Now, think of the things for which we once had religious answers but now are proved wrong by science. You already have a lot of things in mind.

Brother subbor please answer my comment, i want to participate in translating your videos to arabic

@0:48 can someone explain what are the reasons? But you gave good enough reasons to stick to science @5:10 - you beautifully explained why science is always seeking truth - hence much reliable way to navigate to the truth. fyi, "Changing" means "Making progress"

Didn't answer the question of whether Muslims should believe in Evolution or not.

جزاكم الله خيراً

Interesting how every religion is so certain it is the right one.

gamma waves from de past space proofs that the universe has a beginning

"Should Muslims believe in evolution" ???. Evolution is an absolute proven fact, imagine a room full of file cabinets, in these cabinets are all the facts about evolution, the name on the door of this room is The Theory of Evolution. Words have more than one meaning, the word theory used by the public means a guess or hunch, the word Theory used in scientific terms is a summation of all the facts and Laws on the subject Do you deny the Law of gravity for instance, a lot of religious do, due to believing in flat earth and the firmament etc

"Science can always change its conclusions". Because human knowledge is ever evolving. Bu religion can never change, without collapse, because it claims to have the only truth, the eternal truth, and this, as a human invention, is quite simply impossible.

The Big Bang doesnt not mean that the universe had a beginning, just that it started rapidly expanding. It does not say anything about how it came to be. For all we know the universe might be expanding and retracting in certain intervals and this expansion is the big bang.

Do you have any Audio podcasts...

جزاك الله خيرا كثيرا

As an agnostic I can agree on certain arguments that you have made. However, you say that the Quran is the true word of God, but what do you say to Christians or Jews who BELIEVE that the Bible or the Torah is the true word of God. Also to the people who say that Evolution is just a theory. If Evolution was titled an hypothesis, then sure have your doubts about it . However, since is called a theory and not an hypothesis, that means that it has an overwhelming amount of scientific data and evidence to support it. It means that it has been reviewed by scientific peers. Anyone who disagrees with Evolution, I encourage you to look at Neanderthal skulls or Homo Habilis skulls or even all of the other species that had a common ancestor with apes. These bones are self evident that they’re are an intermediate species.

Awesome snip-bit!! This is a question I've been thinking about for a bit, and this really explains it well!!

This is brilliant, Iera and Subboor peddling the Creationist worldview has led to many many muslim apostatising out of Islam. Accommodationist Islamic preachers who accept humans evolved from hominids to some degree keep educated, sophisticated and intelligent muslims within Islam, so I prefer the the likes of Iera and Subboor espousing Creationism.

I don't think that it's the right way to approach a theory, like it's said in the title that should you, as a Muslim, believe in evolution. You shouldn't have any preconceptions or baggage when you study something. Just look at the evidence, follow the logic and reasoning and then make a rational decision whether you accept the theory or not. If after looking at all the evidence and reasoning you think that the theory is not convincing enough, you can choose to not believe in it. But I don't think it's right to come to a topic with your mind already made up that if you wanna believe in it or not, without looking at any evidence or reasoning.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens

Young man, will you please let your guest talk?

I could not understand the answer. Do anyone understand?

Where did you find science says the universe is static?

أرجوا أن تترجموا المقطع في قناتكم العربية 🤲🏼❤️

Alhamdulilah this is a gem, thank you so much for this

My question is what about the vestigial organs in the human body that shows a sign of evolution?

Actually universe in a way is eternal because big bang never stated that energy was created out of nowhere rather it just states that energy and matter was super densed in a single point. which could mean energy is eternal and hence universe in a way. So universe is eternal in a way.

MashalAllah brother, beautifully explained ❤️

as a Muslim, i find the eternal universe argument that subboor and hijab put forth to be lame.

The static state theory was only 60 years ago?! I thought it got ditched a bit later than that in the 40s/50s.... 🤔

That's as crazy as asking should Muslims believe in gravity.

The host of the channel Miss is very immature he doesn’t know what he’s doing there. The guest is very knowledgeable he’s aware of what he’s saying he should’ve had someone more serious with him to be having a powerful conversation like this.

7:00 Can you please back up this claim of yours with some references?

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Amazing 👌🏻❤️ beautiful way

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As a biology student who was very interested in evolution, i left islam a few years ago. There's no way evolution can be false. We have so much of evidence

perfect!

The problem with religion is that you don't compare the two if you did that's how you become an Atheist evolution makes way more sense than the religious belief that we came from dirt or mud with a bit of magic it's ignorant to believe in one thing without questioning it because your religion goes against rational thought by saying that you shouldn't doubt the Quran lol

There really isn't a whole lot of debate among biologists about evolution. In fact, all of modern biology is based on it. Overall I thought this was a thoughtful discussion but religious people in general (Christians, Muslims, etc) are really quick to throughout this vague notion that there is significant disagreement among academics about the reality of evolution without providing any support for this claim. There will always be fringe thinkers and apologists who are willing to claim things that run counter to the evidence but that doesn't mean their ideas have any significant backing in the scientific community. In contrast, the question about the origins of the universe is STILL widely debated.

This is what is known as mental acrobatics. When you hold a belief, and are willing to distort everything around you, just to fit that narrative. Rather than interrogate your narrative to see if it fits the real and hence becomes the rational. I have no animosity towards Islam or religion as far as a person is willing to believe. But it's the dogmatic religious mind which baffles me.

thanks for the video

He should debate with Richard Dawkins for better understanding on evolution 😅😂

this level of mental gymnastics is at least Olympic standard

5) the Big Bang model says that the universe had a beginning, it could be the product of a physical cause, maybe a parent universe,

It's not finished where is the rest of discussing.... 🙄

The big problem here, as always, is that he is starting with the assumption that the Quran is correct. In science, we question everything and change our theories according to our observations. In religion, you start with an assumption, and refuse to change your belief based on observations.

"We know that the quran is absolutely true", no you don't.

mashaALLAH bhot boht khhoob

people always tend to forget natural phenomena are looked at through the lens of philosophical naturalism. As a Muslim, you can't be a philosophical naturalist. we believe in the supernatural. the matter is not the ultimate reality. matter has no power on its own. we believe in the miraculous creation of the isa. we believe the dead birds of Abraham come flying to them. we believe in the unseen. The most critical mistake Muslims make is to adopt the worldview of materialism and use it as "furkan" criteria. materialism is wrong. it doesn't work. just look at the consciousness. it doesn't work. and even if you accept materialism. which model is the fact? bush of life? tree of life? which one? which mechanism is the proven fact? there are alternative models and suggestions even in the communities of materialsts. how can you say this is fact while there are multiple models and drawings to explain the same data? there are mathematical problems. but dogmatic materialstics ignore it because one way or the other way matter has to organize itself to build up right? That is a fact, right? it only follows if you blindly believe in philosophical naturalism.

Except the Big Bang does not say the universe has a beginning. The bing bang model says space began to expand from a single point but please continue with your post hoc rationale

ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ‎

Today over 10 Million Muslims have memorized it word for word. It is arranged in such a matrix that it is humanly impossible to come up with a unique arrangement without the use of Computer. @

If someone asked me to explain what is science using one sentence, I would say science can be described using the statement in dakhini language "hainga toh hanach", meaning "it may be (like that) then it should be (like that)". Humans just are trying to make sense of things. for example the theory of evolution, humans are trying to make sense of the existence of organisms by making theories and concluding by saying "it may be (like that) then it should be (like that)".

God bless you suboor Ahmad, love u from kashmir,

My man, islam/Quran changes with every new discovery in science smh, if Allah/God were given a choice between his book or science he would've chose science.

Basically he his stating evolution is wrong but we dont know it yet.

Assalaa Alaikum wa Rahmatullah. My name is Bab i am Italian citizin and I am born Muslim and i want to pro mote Dawa here in Italy here an i want youre advice on how to make it

1:19 how do you know its the truth..? I'll wait..

Evolution and Qur'an don't necessarily contradict each other. God creates by his own fashion, not necessarily how we imagine him doing it. Adam as was the first human, surely but he may also have come from Allah's fashioned nature and be the first one to possess all the characters of human.

Whats the alternative explanation of all the historical observations?

Just amazing mashallah.

6) he forgot to “explain” evolution, the origin of the universe is not a part of darwin’s theory

Haha cool work brothers may ALLAH paak reward you

So what if you are non Muslim and are interested to belief Islam and muhammed are true but think Evolution from common descent makes more sense rather than the idea god made humans from clay?

He didn't finish his last discussion lol. He was about to explain why the misunderstanding about evolution between the public exists as opposed to the scientific community

But Quran also says "We created life from water".

He is a real Gem💎

Sir,why is it necessary to compare science and islam. Islam is an Arabic religion. Science is the systematic study of physical world. They are 2 different fields. And both are needed for human life.There is no need to reject one or the other.

Simple . Go where ever your thinking/reasoning takes you to even though you know its the wrong path . If you do so you will come to know the reason why its the wrong path. Otherwise you are following someone blindly which isn't a very good reason when you have to explain why you have chosen this path.

I LOVE YOU ALLAH AND PROPHET MOHAMMED

It is not a flaw that science self corrects based on the latest data, it's a strength. Science concerns itself with discovering what is true while theology concerns itself with defending it's own extraordinary claims.

Can any Islamic scholar inform me when, approximately when the first humans were created? So far I have never recieved an answer. Eg is it around 10,000 years ago ? Or 30,000 years ago or when? It would be fascinating to know, thankyou.

Host is immature but guest have gems 💎 of knowledge

What would happen today if someone said they seen angels and had a voice in there head? But nobody else seen angels or heard the voice?