Should the NCAA pay college athletes? | College Football on ESPN 

Rule #1: Don’t debate Jay Bilas...you’ll come in second

So if a player gets injured and their scholarship gets pulled, how do they get an education or money to actually pay for college?

So Joey acting like them Ohio St. boosters didn't hook him up.

Nick Saban doesn’t recruit grades he recruits NFL players

That black dude is a sellout. Jay Bilas, you are a real one bro

Lets go Jay. This man is telling the truth about college and how they abuse the student athlete.

Ticket sales for one game - $5,000,000+ Jersey Sales - $50 - $100+ per jersey Concession Revenue - $600,000+ TV Revenue - $50,000,000 - $200,000 Totally School Revenue - $20,000,000 - $200,000,000 Cost of college for 4 years - < $300,000 People buy tickets to see players play, buy food while watching players play, buy player jersey because they like watching player play, people pay for television which most cost is for sports channels.

I don’t think people realize how much money these athletic departments put into their football programs to ensure the student athletes have literally the best of everything.

North Carolina and Notre Dame are still playing football EVEN THOUGH their schools are closed. Let that sink in. ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS ARE AT HOME. Football players are required to stay at school to play ball. Sounds like employees to me.

If they do, I’ll never watch another game or give another dime to my Alma Mater’s athletic club - and we currently give $20,000+ annually.

They don't care about the degree so why should the university. Pay them and be done with them. And make sure to pay the walk ons too. They work just as many hours in practice with no scholarship.

Allow them to make money off of NIL each year. Then take a percentage of revenue and put it in a trust fund for the player that they gain access to once they graduate. If they don't graduate use that money to pay for operating costs or the next player's trust fund. This way you encourage players to get their degree while also letting players earn money for their efforts on the field. Seems like the best compromise possible imo.

People go to school to make money.......this is a circular argument........Jay is on point

I mean if NCAA is allowed to make revenue off their image,i think they should deserve their fair share as well.

No pay. No way. Period. Let college be for amateurs. Everyone else should be allowed to go directly to whatever Pro level exists for their particular sport.

Let's get to the real issue here. The issue here is that college sports has become a multi-billion dollar business. See thats the problem. If that wasn't the case - then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no problem. Colleges should be in the business of educating students. Period. Not being part of a multi-billion dollar business thats centered around the same students they should be educating. See theres a conflict of interest. You cant be part of a multi-billion dollar business and have amateurism at the same time. Jay is saying the all other students can go out and make money for themselves and doesn't see the difference. There is a difference. The college athletes are on tv, providing the entertainment that is central to the multi-billion dollar business that he speaks of. The tv contracts, the advertisers, etc. Regular students that go out and work at Papa Johns delivering pizza are not part of that business. Thats the difference Jay and it's the central problem at the same time. The real question, is why did we allow things to get so out of hand? I know that theres money to be made in sports but sports should be secondary and we've made it out to be the primary focus. If colleges can't survive without money generated from college sports then thats their problem. They shouldn't be dependent on that, since their focus should be on Education. Not sports. By the way Jay - they are getting paid. For instance, to live on campus at the University of Florida, includes tuition, dorms, meals and everything else is about $21,000 per year. When they graduate they have a degree and don't have $80,000+ in debt to pay back to the feds. They also have other grants and or stipends that would leave money in their pocket. Also those figures are for in-state residents. Usually that number doubles for non-residents.. so if you are a football player, playing for Florida as a non-resident your school debt would be around $160,000.

joey love them butter biscuits

Jay Bilas graduated from Duke and Law School debt free. Basically $200K of free education. Not bad if you ask the average college student that has student loan debt when they graduate.

First make all them get admitted to college via the same process all students have to use and same for transfers. Then they can "apply" to play on the football team as if they get the job then they are eligible for a scholarship and all players can be paid as work study at the same rate as any student can get. Colleges are for education so make the football or basketball respectful of that.

Why is it that Jay is mostly right and he's a Dukie? GO HEELS!!!! The schools have been making BILLIONS of dollars over the years but haven't seemed to be able to budget well enough to get sports programs through one tough season without revenue. It's called budgeting and all other Americans have to do it to keep ourselves on track. Maybe this should bring up another question about the kind of education these athlete-students are getting from those universities that can't educate themselves on basic economics.

I love Jay Bilas. He is the smartest man in college sports.

College athletes aren't even allowed to use their likeness to make money.

Joey sounds like a 🤡. I need them to say no college coach should make over 800k.

The NCAA? Why the NCAA? Never heard anyone ever suggest that.

The cost of living changes every year and that affects the student athlete as well. As time passes money becomes a bigger and bigger issue for resources that will help them survive.

The excuses Joey and Greg was given are pathetic

Interested to see how the NLI will impact athlete's pay

All those survival/life skill should be taught in K-12.

Here is how you get rid of the jealousy problem. Just like most jobs, you are not allowed to disclose how much money you make.

Easy answer no.

Least 1 person at espn was smart

I am sorry but they do pay the kids for playing in the sport, They pay for there education

Like I dont think anybody is expecting a fortune from this, it could even probably be less than minimum wage like maybe a deal like waiters have, its $X per hour on the field and practice and workouts plus tips. Each player would have a TIPJAR account setup for bonuses from jerseys and NCAA21 video games. If someone downloads your current starting team you get a team bonus. If they download you specifically you get more of a share from that DLC. I think this would promote all the athletes to want to be better for the team and for their selves. You could even have a 2nd and 3rd string DLC package for that team. This would help youtube content from getting too out of hand too for simulated match-up videos. That person would have to have bought your player already to make that video. But I doubt that is even an important issue because the gaming industry is a multi billion dollar industry. The amount of money coleges and players would make is way more than some kids single video on youtube that may get a few thousand views. It just gets on my nerves, I feel like even as everything is right now, there is a way to make the NCAA video games and still be fair. Its like nobody want to even touch it and i just don't get it. It can be done.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hit'em in the chin JAY! Excuses!! WOOOOOOOOO! ECONOMIC RIGHTS!

They walk you to class to keep you eligible that’s it

I’m totally on board with them being able to use their likeness and image to make $ But anything more than I think is too much

500 a game for scholarship players OR walkons who appear on tv. that should be enough for players ON TOP of a scholarship and free meals at the cafe every day. if you can't live on 500 a game along with free meals something is wrong. they act like we don't see players walking around wearing designer clothing

Here's the thing they want you to believe that the way it's done is just so much better because of the professional aspect of sports The reality is and this is a well known fact that college athletes are amateur sports players therefore they should be compensated And we're we're talking about people who whether they have scholarship or not will have significant debt when they get out of school whether they go on to professional sports or not they still have to find work to provide income for themselves this is a mute point when you look at the conferences in sent just the ncaa all of the conferences exploit players of all sports to make money because they know they don't have to pay them therefore they could get away with whatever they want and no one has the gusts to stop it I think we're finally on the right track for leveling the playing field taking the power from the conferences give it to the colleges as to who is going to get paid and how much treat it like the amateur sports that it is and you're going to basically have a much better environment because what happens if these players have a career ending injury and they don't have health insurance because they can't afford it because there a full time student how much money is that injury gonns cost they're gonna have a $100,000 in medical debt instantaneously that's just 1 of the issues

And stop it with the degree nonsense. Try skipping practice to go to class. Or skipping the NCAA tournament to study for an exam.

So no more scholarships then?

It's funny how the rich can effortlessly convince the have nots to fight amongst each other whether or not they deserve little crumbs FM😶😶

how about geting a free ride to school they already have perks plus all their food is payed for they also get a 200 dollar stypen per month, if theyre good anuff they will make a nfl roster

The powers that be are very creative at keeping the most money in what is now none as the Power 5. Their goal seems to exclude as many entities as possible. In short, a money grab. A level playing field should be for all student athletes and schools.

They all pay now it will just make the best teams better when its ok to pay them

Ngz......

Being able to leave school debt free is a good deal. Those scholarships could be taxed. But it’s not. To pay athletes the govt will have to change title 9 and some of tax codes. If they eventually get paid hope those athletes can afford expensive lawyers and accountants.

I thought they already solved this and 2021 was going to be when players can get royalties from their likeness name and number? I must have missed the final on that. The EA NCAA football video game news was talking about it a lot last year and how the new rule is good news for a new video game coming out soon. I'm guessing it didn't pass but yeah they need to take these stupid restrictions away from athletes. When the video game comes out, you have to know that the video game industry is a multi billion dollar industry too, this would only bring more money to the colleges and a small percentage would be going to the player's. The schools would be getting a much larger piece of the pie. And something else, the next gen of consoles are on the way, games could be $80 per copy. If money is a problem, just make the game just like other companies have been doing for years and that is Special editions and DLC, you can either buy a retail price that has a fake roster, or a special edition that is $20 more or whatever, $50 more. People will pay to have it. I've paid over$100 for a special edition before. You could even have DLC packages of individual teams and individual players to control the royalties accuratly. The game technology has changed a lot since 2014 . I really don't understand how it hasn't been done yet becausethis is a lot of potential money just setting there. You could even have the games come out a year after each season to get the player landscape figured out, and even have a credit system set up for all players where they get the money later after their college football career. There are so many ways to make it work. For the jersey sale part of it, that has to be through the college and their own stores in their own states. And online shops.

They should at least get a few hundred dollars allowance weekly to cover stuff that the school doesn't cover like insurance on a students car plane ticket home for holidays . Then have a big pay out of $50000 after graduation and only if they graduate if the go pro before graduating they don't get the money this money can be used for med school for some kids or docrite.or transitioning from school to work

What about the artificial acceptance to an elite university that the athlete would have otherwise NEVER been qualified to attend. Then the $$ spent in tutor to keep them eligible? Do player deserve more, yes. However the bang for buck is only in favor of the top 5% of players...similar to the way life actually works.

If you just play at Notre Dame or Bama or OU you get the best job offers the rest of your lives, every one of them. Money can’t buy those benefits. Get real.

If I don’t go to college I can’t make good decisions with money?? Wrong…. If I don’t get my degree and make 2 million dollars with nil,how do you compare that to the college grad who only makes 1-2 hundred k a year with college DEBT…..EASY CHOICE

How do you spell conflict of Interest? Galloway& McElroy profit from the status quo !!! Don't know how......but i bet they do

Each university will have different payouts, yet you will see some players demanding equal pay

Free tuition, room and board, and food! Sounds like a good deal to me! In most cases that is quite a bit of money plus with that education a whole lot of extra lifetime salary!

Some of the most wealthiest people didn’t get a degree

Excuses .. justifications to keep current systems.. that’s all I’m hearing from two of these guys.. Everyone is profiting from players. Everyone except players.

Jealousy? Really? It was a better experience because everyone was poor? Hahaha... Wow.

If collage players get paid all players should get paid the same amount no matter the position because they will get paid a lot more in the NFL . They all should be Equal in collage no deserves more than anyone Else. If you pay someone more than another thats pro sports. So no i would think that they would deserve mpre than each other.

Dont pay them but allow them to make money....

Why is this a question? Yes!!!!

THEY SHOULDN’T BE ON CONTRACTS BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO STUFF LIKE THE NATTY WINNERS GET 100,000$ EACH OR SOMETHING OR THE SEC CHAMPIONS GET 25,000$

no they should not be paid but they should be able to receive an allowance a weekly one only in efforts to help them maintain their grades and stay out of trouble

Joey is talking like the older black people of the past

If college athletes want to go pro, fine. Quite a few have done it. This year of the Covid pretty much proved my belief that intercollegiate sports aren't really that important, and the 'billions' of dollars aren't really there. The athletes entering college are not the attraction fans are paying for. Fans are paying for the school's brand, the school's reputation, the overall weekend college experience. Fans pay to see Taylor Swift. They don't pay to see freshmen recruits. A football players individual value is minimal. If he is injured, his value becomes a deficit. A replacement is found and the game goes on. The uniform is the uniform. The school's brand raises the value of the player wearing the uniform.

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Absolutely not. The NCAA should not pay athletes. The NCAA should elevate the requirements to get into a University. Athletes should be 3.0 GPA students to be admitted, and athletes should maintain a 3.0 GPA to remain eligible to play sports. Division I and Division II athletes are notorious for low SAT scores. That should come to a stop today.

Yes. College athletes should get paid.

Stop worrying…..the young people GOT THIS…. This black man is out of touch

$125 per week,after taxes. Enough spending money to function as a student on campus. Laundry,money for a movie,burger or what not. Keep the focus on getting the degree for big money payoff down the line.

College is not a business, it is an educational institution. Students are there to get an education first and the activities they engage in our second. Even if that activity generates revenue for the institution. Those hired to teach or run the institution, administration, even if you coach a sport your purpose is to educate or support the operation for the purpose of educating students. Athletes are students. If you do not like the compensation do not attend, no one is forcing you either via scholarship or otherwise. Stay home or if no scholarship work your way through school. Tons of students have done it before and many will do it again in the future. Don't go and go pro if you do not like it. If coaches do not like it leave. My child went to college and part of his tuition cost was money that went towards admission to athletic events whether they wanted to attend them or not. I get the revenue generation of athletics but that goes to the institution not the players. In high school athletics generates some money there too but the students only get it through improvements in things for the school itself. New uniforms, new exercise equipment, improvements to playing surfaces, most improvements contingent on the success of the teams in competition but not paid specifically to players. So hypothetically, if you do pay college athletes, how is the money distributed? Certainly a star player will want more and more. What about kids that know they are not good enough for the next level? Will they fight for extra eligibility in college just to stick around and get paid? Look at other countries too. Some countries competition to get into college when compared to the numbers trying and the population is absurd. Many come to the United States to get an education and work. Despite sports lasting popularity at all levels including professional, the outcome of such competition while temporarily joyful and even more profitable for winners and less for losers, the ultimate benefit at the end of the day is what? Does it add to the possibility of curing cancer for example? If your team wins what does the fan get from that? It is essentially a dream world for fans of sports. It is essentially an activity with a beginning and end to no means. Because of the revenue it generates also, more students academically can have the opportunity via their grades in high school to have tuition assistance to attend college. You crybabies want money, go pro. Lebron James could never have made it as a student so he just went pro.

They do get paid. It’s called scholarship and the opportunity to get an education. These kids live better than some middle class families. They’re STUDENT athletes. They’re not professionals.

They already are being paid by getting a free education, room and board, and an allowance. That’s enough!!!

Don't give me that degree nonsense.. You can get your degree on line.. don't need the university for that

I think the ncaa should pay the college football players cause the players themselves are literally PAYING to play in the colleges

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Bro, Joey stop it. Why does anybody want an education? To make money. Nowadays, a college education doesn't get you much. There are a ton of unemployed college educated people out here now. You can buy a college education. I hope the college players strike and demand 50% of the revenue. That's what they deserve...

Every law is not always fair or moral. Some are really really bad!!!

mcelroy and joey wins this discussion