Should the PM crackdown on "sick notes"? Feat. Yasmin & Isabel Oakeshott | Storm Huntley 

I live in a working class estate. Mostly fantastic people, many really hard working and decent folks. However, there are also a lot of total dossers - underclass, those not interested in working, watching tv all day, or out milling around, playing video games, drinking, taking drugs, getting takeaways delivered day and night. It does breed resentment for those of us slaving on low or average wages.

She 100% right

I noticed that when Yasmin was putting up a decent challenge/rebuttal to Oakshots' callous nonsense, she immediately started interrupting. That's the hallmark of someone who knows their argument is weak.

@@candyman5912 I’ve got an idea Candyman, you pay a little extra in your taxes to subsidise the feckless layabouts, who it’s “callous” to criticise. The problem is identifying the undeserving shirkers from those genuinely in need of compassion and assistance.

@stonemarten1400 I've got an even better idea than that. Why don't you learn to be a thinking, compassionate, empathetic human being. Thus giving the world a chance to be a better place for us all to live in. What do you say? Is that possible? Any danger?

It's a 2 year waiting list for mental health. Even when signed off work. NO MENTION AT ALL ABOUT THAT, THEY ARE SCUM.

Yes, it's very hard if you have mental health issues, to actually get the help to recover, or at least manage your condition. Unfortunately, many people accusing people of lying about having mental health difficulties have no understanding of how hard it can be to work when you're struggling in that way. Most people would like to work. Being mentally ill is no fun.

Did someone mention rishi, refer to the above attacker.

This UK Tory Government has done nothing but lie hand over fist to the British public, so much so, people had made YT with songs about this Tory Government and thier lies! It's been lie after lie after lie from them.

They simply were dishonest with the Public about coming out of the EU to give more money to the NHS, the real reason to come out of the EU was not about sovereignty, it was because the EU said they were going after Tax evaders, to date, which one Tory MP in Parliment was caught with tax evasion. Also, many people have bought their council houses so all the money this government got from privatising these houses , what have they done for building new homes for the homeless? Nothing i think! As i recall Boris Johnson said back in 2018 about the Royal Wedding 'Clear the streets of all these homeless people' ! It was reported by organisations, that we had more homeless people in the UK in all of history!

and millions of people who get money for never working a day in their lives. I stand with the millionaires

@@keirmitchell5560 because you lot expect people to work for peanuts to work an not to be able to pay bills? I no a lot of people who work an claim benefits because there wages are to low , why not come with me an do a proper days work as a scaffolder an Al show you work, you probably couldn’t run down hill

Isabel is the lowest form of humanity.

​@@thugslife111well said 👏👏👏

The elite and Sunak shouldn’t judge others before walking in their shoes

Engage with the actual argument instead of making personal attacks. Are you saying benefit fraud isn't a thing?

@@davidneverdave I’m saying most fraud is perpetrated by the rich who also find ways to avoid tax, not some poor bugger who’s Ill

@@davidneverdave Much more is left unclaimed than is lost due to fraud/error.

@@user-rs2ky2rd7wI’m not sure most fraud is perpetrated by ‘the rich’ but even if it is, the amount lost in benefit fraud is HUGE and is making our taxes much higher than they need to be

@@user-rs2ky2rd7wthe ‘poor bugger’ isn’t ill, that’s the whole point! We’re talking about scrounging skivers gaming the system.

They just want to blame the poor for tory failures of 14 years..

It all they know, demonise and criminalise the poor

The Welfare system needs to be constantly reviewed and kept under wraps. Even since 2014 when Universal Credit was brought in there have been huge demographic changes. Many more elderly and 'sick' people in society and the reality is that it all has to be paid for by people who do work. Constantly saying benefits should be increased isn't fair on people who have to pay for it all.

@@davidneverdave We have the least generous social security system in western Europe.

@@user-qd2hl9lu3h unless you're a lemming then simply doing what other people, because they're doing it, isn't a good idea. I want to see those genuinely unable to work get higher amounts of money and a better standard of living. This can only be achieved by clamping down on people gaming the system. Either that or further massive increases to levels of taxation.

And those God awful extentions!

Not as much crap as Yasmin has💩

Open your house let them live with you n you pay for them den out of your pocket

Agreed. Oakshott is full of crap

No people do lie or are too lazy to work and blame mental health,

i think il stand with Isabel. We don't work to give handouts to those who dont.

She is just another Far Right Naz C

What has she said that you disagree with? She's said give benefits to those genuinely unable to work and clamp down on those abusing the system. Sounds like common sense to me.

@@davidneverdave Some so-called? Biased for evil.

Why should she retrain because she already had a profession? Well she just said she's unable to do that profession anymore, that's why. She said she left school in 85/86 so she must be have been born in 1970 making her 54 now. My parents are in their 60s my grandparents are in their 80s, none used computers at school and have learned to use them. Being a hairdresser also doesn't prevent you from learning. I don't know about that woman's situation, she obviously had other health issues going on. But simply being the age of 54 is not a valid reason for not knowing how to use a computer. Most jobs will train you and if they won't then most colleges offer free evening classes for adults. Enough of the pandering to these weak feeble excuses.

@@davidneverdave The lady said she has arthritis amongst other issues. There is also a big difference between using a computer for leisure and in a professional environment...and it might have escaped your notice but quality retraining and getting reemployed in your 50s to 60s is not the same as the opportunities when you are somewhat younger. My main objection to Oakeshotts attitude is that she was saying the woman should have acquired work based computer skills in order to be employable, when the woman was actually employed for 40 years with professional skills...just is a different kind of profession. I don't suppose Oakeshott has the skills the caller has...why not? She has had all her life to acquire professional hairdressing skills! My Mum is approaching 80, and she worked in offices and therefore acquired computer skills through her work and continues to use her computer in a leisure context, however, she would not be familiar with Excel and as someone who has arthritis, carpal tunnel syndrome and torn ligaments in both shoulders and worn joints that's had to be shaved due to splintering, plus 4 surgeries to try and alleviate the pain, the time she can spend on mouse and keyboard is very limited and very slow now....although she used to be a 120wpm typist. My mums arthritis, carpal tunnel and shoulder problems happened before retirement age and I watched her try to carry on in agony. My mum never cries, stoic lady, but I have seen tears running down her face with the pain in her hands and wrists, they swell, go scarlett and you can feel the heat emanating from them...but she will still try to get through whatever needs doing. So, stick your judgement, someone who has worked for 40 years and is in their mid 50s is clearly not lazy and work shy!

​@@davidneverdaveunless you change the way ageism works, you think anyone is going to hire a 54 year old with no previous office experience?

@@shelleyphilcox4743 I acknowledged that the lady had other health conditions. She never said she couldn't use computers because of her arthritis, she said it was because of her age and that she was never taught to use one. I simply said being 54 is not a valid excuse, for the reasons I've already stated. Why shouldn't the woman retrain? Plenty of people do it all the time and many of them have health conditions, which employers have a legal duty to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate for. Of course Oakeshott doesn't have 40 years of experience being a hairdresser - I fail to see how this is relevant? Your 80 year old mother is not expected to work, however someone who is 54 is expected to work - so again I fail the see the relevance of you mentioning her... Thanks for the advice but someone who is 54 years old and says she can't use a computer 'as she was never taught how to use one is school' is clearly trying to come up with any excuse to get out of working. And I will freely express my thoughts on the matter and call out silly feeble excuses wherever I see them.

@@benfletcher9659 Oh give over. I work with A LOT of people in their 40's, 50's and 60's. Has this woman tried looking for work? I'm sure she would have said if she'd been knocked back from jobs and she suspects it'd due to ageism. She also wouldn't have to declare health conditions like arthritis until after a job offer had been made, which the employer would have a legal duty to make accommodations for. We have nearly a million job vacancies in the UK at the moment. Enough of the weak feeble excuses!

Hopefully not

​@@lee6023Hopefully, yes. 😂

Well no one voted him in so....... This country is a joke, our parliament is full of liars, traitors, thieves and butchers.

Obviously. He knows Labour won't clamp down on benefit cheats, because so many of them vote Labour, so he's doing what he can now, while he still can.

He should not be prime minister he know nothing

Yep

😂

I agree, but that wouldn't be the best thing for them. Tough love is the best kind. If you were in an accident and needed your legs rehabilitating to walk again. You'd prefer the 'kind and compassionate' nurse who let you stay in bed all day because you didn't want to get up. The 'tough nurse' who made the effort with you, got you up out of bed to do your exercises even though you didn't want to will do far good for your recovery.

@@davidneverdave There's tough love and then there's threats to take away your support system. Given this governments track record on dealing with physical disabilities and PIP assessments, the thought of them getting involved with mental illness is truly scary.

@@ianedwards2496 They have to be tough otherwise people will take the mick. In fact, people ARE taking the mick now. In the 90's 2% of the population was on disability benefits, now it's 6%! There's no way the population has become 3x sicker. Writing over 2 million people off to a life on benefits, might make people on the left feel all kind and compassionate, but we know that being in work gives people a purpose and drastically improves their mental health. Now there are many more disabled people who are working, even if it is just part time and that's something to be lauded. It goes without saying that those genuinely disabled AND incapable of working should receive benefits, but for these people there is less and less money available for them when there are more and more people trying it on and successfully gaming the system.

That’s exactly what it is some mp is dipping his hand in the pot and they’ve tried to cover it up now they need a distraction

Agree 100%, but it won't happen.

Because it's the kings government, do you honestly think this government is to serve the people?, your wrong, it's a millionaires government, we the people don't have a government, when will the people wake up and create our own government, that serves the people.

Doctors are going to be ignored while the DWP box tickers will be signing genuinely mentally ill people to what could be a life of misery. Let's not forget these people suffering depression and so on might be mums and Dad's of children who need their parents to get well asap.

I believe Atos and Maximus are first and foremost about Money in their policy, and not mental health, Ch4 dispatches programme went under cover and they aren't medically qualified to say about conditions and disabilities, so it's not about disabilities with them it's just about money, just the same policy that these politicians have, it's about money and more money in their own pockets through the taxpayers pot! Where they couldn't careless about the actual disability condition, or physical ailments. Don't think for one moment that these politicians the likes of Rishi Sunak have any idea about the disabled, the poor or working classes anyway, they have zero understanding and have no wish to understand them at the same time, they are in their own little rich world and want to stay there! As far as i am concerned they don't do the job/career of a politician , they just can't be bothered doing the work, although they like taking the money for it and giving themselves double pay for it at the same time! I think you can only describe at best these Atos and Maximus agencies as 'Glorified Accountants' not medically qualified to the job, not that of a GP anyway!

That’s a myth, I know a few PIP assessors and they’re all registered mental health nurses.

@@user-no5ee7nn9dif you’ve ever been for a PIP assessment you will have seen a medical or nursing or allied health professional. It’s a requirement of the job that you are one. It’s real doctors in there and everything.

Shame it's what the lazy ires need some good old fashion work

They are full of bullshit. The truth doesn't fit the narrative or stir up enough hatred so they can't be bothering with that, can they?

That’ll include housing benefits.

You would be amazed how much some people get on full benefits, all different ones, disability, PIP, income support etc £1300 is nothing compared to some! Was watching a channel the other day and the bloke said his mate gets full benefits highest level in everything and it comes to £2600! So you can see why some people are getting pissed about it to be honest, especially for people who have tried with genuine issues and get turned down!

​@Sharon-zi1xn I would really like someone to break down these figures because I believe like Civid it's all bullshit

Reforms not a Party its a Limited Company

She sounds like dried up retired old prune ..probably doesn't have children..not exactly qualified to even comment on things like autism Adhd and the like

I thought that too!

She definitely was and probably claiming pip for being an alkie the hypocrite!!

shut up you lefty.

Superb on point comment! And let's not forget she's in a relationship with Mr Tice, head of Reform! Not a great ambassador for the party!

Most supermarkets mainly hire part time staff on contracts between 10 to 15 hours or zero hour contracts. Unfortunately they may not even get paid for all the hours they work either because the companies take time off for any breaks. So someone on a 15 hour pw contract working for 5 hours per day, 3 days per week will only get paid for 14 hours and 15 minutes. However, Universal Credit personnel assume they get paid for the full 15 hours.

maybe dont have children if you cant afford them.

​@@keirmitchell5560you are deliberately very narrow-minded. Have you ever, for one second, used your brain to consider that people have children, and then circumstances change: people do get ill or lose their jobs.....of course this will never happen to you will it.

@@samanthahardy9903 thats not how UC works - you get deducted 40p for every £ you earn it goes on your earnings not how many hours you work

​@@keirmitchell5560yep too many people having kids when they can't afford them expecting everyone else to bail them out.

Hopefully you'll be able to get a job working from home.

Wrong! It’s what you get after seven decades of Lib Lab Con.

Shes an alkie!!

I was going to say beyond patronising but 'brutal' is by far a much better word!

Are you a doctor?

Just because you're a lefty 😂

@@barneyrubble8590 what’s wrong with being a lefty?

@@barneyrubble8590 better left than right of Genghis khan like them.

@@catherinehanner284 old left not new left which is full of clown wokery 🌈🤪 and identity politics and anti British narrative.

She sounds like a right gammon

Who?

Seriously you may not agree with Isobel but even i thought she had a point there! I left school the same year as lady on the phone, only worked in retail and a factory etc, but obviously at some point i got a laptop for my home, and just taught myself, as 99% of the population would of done! It is very hard to believe someone not ever using a computer unless very old to be honest, takes some believing! It is almost like driving a car, it is something you just do!

They all play mental health violin .get of there arse n work mental health be soon gone stop wrapping up in cottonwool

You don’t need doctors the pharmacist will do according to a billionaire who struggles to pay for fuel at a petrol station as for her I think the oldest profession is right up her street plenty of experience anyway

she couldn't do the tesco job...from personal experience its acually bloody hard work..heavy lfting and pulling fully stocked heavy cages filled to the brim with tins jars..heavy deli cheeses and meats.etc etc.. they tell you its heavy lifting and bending work before you take the job..but you dont realise how much till your working ..so no she couldnt do it

@@ravenwhite67 Is that right? well altho it will upset Rishi she will just have to go on the dole as long as she's not on our screens talking BS lol

Wants its head shaving!

NO ONE COULD DISAGREE WITH THAT YOU ARE SPOT ON MY FRIEND. My mate used to claim P I P he had mental health issues but not any more. You see not last year but the year before on christmas eve he hung himself he was only 37 years old. on the day of his funeral when they were putting his coffin into the ground his mom just kept on collapsing. And now she has mental health issues too. So you see RISHI SUNAK THE SOONER YOU 🫵 AND YOUR CONserVATive GOVERNMENT IS OUT THE BETTER. YOU 🫵 RISHI SUNAK ONLY CARE FOR THE RICH AND ONLY THE RICH. AND THE WORKING MAN AND THE POOR CAN ROT IN HELL. RISHI SUNAK WE JUST HOPE AND PRAY 🙏 THAT YOU 🫵 AND YOUR DISGUSTING DISEASED CONserVATive GOVERNMENT. ON THURSDAY THE 4TH OF JULY 2024 IS OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT.

You’re obviously biased,I think Yasmin is despicable as she hates this country 😡

@@barneyrubble8590 by biased, you mean I have an opinion? We are all biased by our opinions!

@@sophsaund304 yes that is what I meant,but it doesn’t mean you’re right. My opinion was that I think Yasmin is despicable because she put this country down which has got to stop.

​@barneyrubble8590 in your opinion. My opinion differs.

The 'Great' is only a reference to size in comparison to the other British Isles. The French don't need to worry, there won't be any unemployed brits missing signing on to risk crossing the channel in a dinghy, in search of a better life.

Well said 👍

Unbelievable but I am sure is true

Bless you

I said as much in a comment here earlier. Let's hope everybody can see how truly evil and sick this policy is. It also shows Sunak is immoral as well as being out of touch and is a game player willing to try anything to hold onto power. I was ambivalent and intending not to vote but this makes me want to vote Labour and I hope other people feel the same.

Wishing you all the best xx