SHOULD TRANS PEOPLE BE IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY (FTM TRANSGENDER) | NOAHFINNCE 

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NoahFinnce Yes

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NoahFinnce Hell yeah. Where else do I go? 💙💖⚪️💖💙

YES! Of course!! We belong there BECAUSE Non-binary and gender-fluid people and etc are welcomed also, and thats not a sexuality. But everybody should just accept eachother that are in the community.

Bears are the chopped liver of the gay community, and femmes are the chopped liver of the lesbian community.

Do you not know what the word typically means?

ayax moji I could really do with some help looking for where i asked :/

I mean lately I've noticed a big push for masculine lesbians to transition when they dont need to. The trans community has been very oppressive to women and lesbians yet no one mentions it.

Better Now I’m unsure if I have offended you in some way, but I partially understand where you are coming from. It’s a shame that gender expression has been made a part of sexuality when they are two very separate aspects.

you are valid bro!!!!!

Ikr? As if people didn't already think asexuality isn't real and that "you just haven't met the right person", people also discredit trans people as if they know better. Truth is, you know yourself best and nobody can change that. So I don't get why people still insist on denying other people of who they are. It clearly doesn't "help them change" or whatever they want. All it does is cause harm. And it's extremely hypocritical coming from the community because they should know how it feels to be discriminated against.

Lary does stuff Thank you c:

Milly Bays Exactly

P e a c e P a n d a same here. I’m a demi biromantic asexual closeted trans non binary. What even is that? Like nobody believes I exist!

I KNOW! and when that one person was suggesting that bi people should 'be against' pan people I was just sooo confused. like what about someone like me who *identifies* as bi, but by DEFINITION I'm pan?? it just makes no gotdamn sense haha

Still happens.

Laura Patrick exactly! I agree

People still ask me which I like more😂😂 And I’m still like BOTH, thats the whole point😂😂😂

Dizzy Giggleflix theres an account i follow and he had an interview with a biphobe, it’s gross they still exist, and the biphobe was gay i think

Thank you ❤️

Dis man dis man you bloody legend I hope you live forever

you say, supporting a group that segregates people based on their sexuality...

@@clockywork It's marginalized groups working together towards their common interests. It's completely different you troglodyte.

@@clockywork Nothing could be further from the truth. Your first mistake: You seem to suffer from the illusion, that transgender men and women (or anyone else who fits under the LGBTQAI+ umbrella) somehow is holding certain same views as a collective. That is false! Your second mistake: You assume to know whom I support or which views I support. You do not!

There are kids being transitioned though

@@benjaminreyes3624 some kids might be going by different names and pronouns but they're not getting sex change surgeries

@@owent.2306 it's not just names. it's actually happening to kids. Puberty blockers and pushing to transition kids as early as 12. There are a few stories of former trans women who were transitioned so young and full blown regret it and want to be a boy. Unfortunately the deal was already made and it's to late for them to go back

@@benjaminreyes3624 kids who go on puberty blockers can just go off of them if they realize they aren't trans. i've never heard of anyone under the age of sixteen medically transitioning, and i don't know of any people who are advocating for that

@@owent.2306 that's why there is youtube I can send you link to stories if you like.. would you like to me too?

Noah: I havent watched this video beforehand Arielle: I'm about to ruin this man's whole career

When I saw her I was like "Not this annoying fake feminist terf" like nooooo

@@mxiy8 ahahahaha ikr, I'm still internally screaming

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And you guys are the reason I have hope for the future. Thanks!!

I want to copy and paste this EVERYWHERE

literally what i wanted to say

Just like when women ask for rights, we're always "hysteric"

Well put.

@voilaviolamh I'm not trans and my comment is not specific to the video. It's a comment on how this is in general a moronic argument to use. If we're talking trans issues, you are downplaying the very real effects discriminatory attitudes have on marginalized people. To voice those feelings helps normalize them and validates those who hold them at any level of severity. Thus, they feel justified in their bigotry while those targeted feel unwelcome and unsafe. It stands to reason that a trans person being told they don't belong in the community would get defensive about it because you are claiming that they don't belong in what is possibly the only place where they don't feel othered, out of nowhere and with, in my opinion, bogus reasoning. A lot of the time accusations like this are used the context of politics, and I hope I don't have to explain to you how big an effect political decisions can have on the downtrodden. It is ridiculous to claim that your opinion is invalid if, again, you betray at any point that the subject concerns you, and only something that someone very lucky to be able to view the subject as totally divorced from themselves could say.

That’s because you refuse to let gay people think on their own. People like you need to believe everyone on your side thinks the same. It’s homophobic and bigoted.

@@juniorqindes8335 I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you potentially explain further? My point is saying that exclusionists need to let people find themselves and exist as themselves, in the LBTQ+ community, without fighting back against what they deem "not valid" or "not LBGT" enough. Gay people can of course think on their own, I'm by no means saying that people have to agree with my point of view - I was just expressing it on a video that I agreed with. Also, how exactly am I homophobic and bigoted for saying that people deserve... to exist in our community?

@@atallus_ “deserve to exist IN OUR COMMUNITY” I’m gay, am I in the lgbt? If so, what if I don’t like bi lesbians or trans people? Also, seriously how are we at all a community? Just saying that is ignorent. Why do you have to lump us all together? You certainly didn’t take a poll. :T also how are we “excluding” :T you are literally including everyone you want to and not asking first. Another thing, what is the lgbtq? Other than “everything that isn’t str8” here’s a news flash…. THE LGBT IS EXCLUSIONARY. It’s designed to be. So is POC. Both these terms are basically saying “everyone I like” because saying “I don’t like so and so” or “we are different than so and so” sounds wrong. But guess what? Both are horribly wrong. Pride, the lgbt, and the rainbow are all things forced on gay people through politics. All terrible and all preventing what we ACTUALLY considered progress before people like you took over. Remember normalizing? Guess that’s over right?

​@@juniorqindes8335 ​due to this comment being very glitchy due to length, i've put my response into a google doc. docs.google.com/document/d/1w90547KIZ2CsrN3hX1lIeTcQEgYOv5EFTHEVCQCBkYE/edit?usp=sharing

@@atallus_ my favorite part is when you called all gays, bi people, and lesbian bigoted. :T you are in fact a bigot. You are a bigot because you are still forcing the term community which implies plenty of bigoted things. You are ignorant because you speak in this way completely against the point. Even twisting it to try and say it back. “ you don’t know the history” oh look the ignorent are claiming the opposition doesn’t know better. I’m a gay man. You know they literally changed around the letters to put lesbians in front of us? You know by adding trans and queer they completely crapped all over the progress we caught for because people like you wanted different? Again, how are we a community? You still haven’t answered. That’s just a cult term they use to lump us together. Go look at what that word means. :T go look at the time each definition put. I know all the things the lgbt ACTUALLY DID. All you know is the good stuff they told you they do and how great it is. You are an enemy of gay, lesbian, and bi people. Saying you aren’t homophobic doesn’t help. You are like one of those people who says “I’m not homophobic, I just don’t think gays should get married” I blame people like you more for the hate crimes, suicides, and abused kids. Why? Because if not for the lgbt we would have done what we wanted. And gay would just be a normal thing. Not some celebrated thing you need to have pride in or you hate yourself. Pride and the lgbt are political movements. To suggest someone is against themselves for being against them is inherently homophobic. Even if you don’t think that word fits you… remember all the crap you said. Even if you don’t hate us you are still terrible to us. And I would rather have a hateful neighbor than abusive siblings.

I concur.

agreed

As a gay man let’s not speak for the rest of us based on your opinion. “Our community” what definition of community are you using?

@@wacawaka1802 I didn’t speak for everyone, just said my opinion . Also “our community “ is the lgbtq+ community, I thought it was obvious

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Internalized homophobia/transphobia

IKR? Also it's so ironic that these kind of people talk about "individuality" when their ultimate goal is to look cool and be accepted by the majority aka straight cis people

I think it's kind of an issue with well meaning liberals who think "sexuality/gender shouldn't matter", "LGBT people are just like you". It sounds nice but in practice it's quite heteronormative because it basically discourages any distinctive queer expression of sexuality and gender. After I first came out to my straight friends as gay, I felt like I had to prove that "this doesn't change anything about me, I'm still the same person" but in hindsight it's clear I was experiencing internalized homophobia and I'm still kinda working on it.

@@ElaborateTiger I don't think that has anything to do with being liberal though

Ya lol. I’m not even trans and I’m so offended by this whole “lgb” alliance thing

At first when I saw the “drop the t” community stuff I thought that it was just people wanting trans people to have their own community/ voice Boi was I wrong as hell Lgbt people should work together... like how bi and pan people get slagged by other lgbt people Why would people just turn around and push the hate they get onto trans and bi and pan people

Fluffer Pupper it’s a type of internalized oppression, not unlike a black person who doesn’t like black people. Many cis non heterosexuals desperately want to be accepted by cishets. Instead of coming to the conclusion that some people are just gonna be homophobic, they try to find a justification for why one might be that way. This leads them to look for a scapegoat which usually takes the form of either trans people, enbys, bisexuals, or anyone else in the lgbtq community that isn’t exclusively gay or isn’t cis.

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Same.. It sucks people are not being to smart about stuff. I am a trans guy myself also and them saying the community is only for gays etc. What about the non-binary people and gender fulid people (Sorry if I spelled that wrong) also? Thats not a sexuality but they are in the community also. Etc, (demi-male, demi-female.) Etc I dont know all. But why get rid of people from the community? We are trying to help eachother! And I agree with you this shouldnt be a conversation.

Even though I may not be a trans person, I'm a lesbian and I think trans people should be included into the lgbt community

Same here mate

same im so mad

Hey, this L thinks you guys are a valid and amazing part of our community

Why don't I remember that? That sounds like exactly the kind of thing that would have set me off, can I have a time stamp for it?

omg i’ve seen you on other videos recently 😂

Exactly

This video just pissed me off. How could you be so ignorant?? And the girl reading from the scripts saying pansexuals are offending bisexuals was so stupid I'm honestly lost for words. It's not just LGBT it's LGBTQ+ or lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (There are more). Including sexuality and gender. It's about acceptance in everybody not pushing people out.

Pre-fucking-cisley

ally doesn't belong in lgbt, we can have a place without straight/cis people, they can still support us, but why throw them in?

@@carmenq7339 I could take it out if you want? But that's the official acronym for LGBTQ+.

@@carmenq7339 There I changed some of it around

And there is trans erasure. People still claim that Stonewall was just about gay people, the trans people involved have become chopped liver.

Gay rights movement start in Germany on 1860... The US isn't the center of the world.

@@paulogibaldi2411 A lot of information was lost because of the Nazis, too.

The transgendered may well have joined LGBT movement but that doesn’t change the fact that being gay and transgendered are totally different things that shouldn’t be lumped together.

@Mr Realist About what? Stonewall happened and it was startwed by trans POC. I think you're the missinformed one.

And siblings (non binary peeps can be trans too)

Exactly, like my sister is a cisgender bigot, but as a cisgender, I would never drop my trans friends

Bigot?

as a trans woman, i don’t think it’s transphobia. getting rid of a letter in an acronym that doesn’t relate to the other letters at all? how is that transphobic lmao. if you’re not trans, please don’t speak on our issues

I agree

also, I'm trans and I'm not comfortable in my body, but I don't think I have gender dysphoria bc it's not as bad as other people describe it. but that doesn't mean I'm not trans, right? (btw, ik this comment is old but I just saw it and wanted to respond :D)

@@auggienussbaum honestly, if you think you're trans then you're probably trans Some trans people experience dysphoria differently or not at all, so, it's up to you to realize whether you're trans or not

@@auggienussbaum I'm no expert so I don't know how much my opinion matters to you, but I think you're valid. I heard the question (I think it was in a Samantha Lux video) of why do trans people have to justify their existence by suffering and it's a very good point. If a cis woman like me can imagine how it would be like to be a man and think "no, that's not for me, I'm happier and more comfortable in a woman's body" without feeling pain or much discomfort and never change my mind about it, then why can't trans people figure out their feelings about that unless they prove they have bad gender dysphoria? I do understand the use of gatekeeping when it comes to permanent changes to your body (though maybe that is also up for debate) but other than that if someone says they're trans I see no reason to not believe them. You know better than anyone else how you feel and who you are.

Nonbinary people have gender dysphoria WTF educate urself

it’s 5 minutes in and it’s telling me there’s no views

@@NOAHFINNCE impossible for your videos

@NoahFinnce I had to reload seven times before it showed any views

@@NOAHFINNCE Tom Scott actually explains this just look up Tom Scott: why computers can't count sometimes. It's a really interesting video

ollie b ...you have sam and colby in your pfp and you’re also a fan of noah... youre officially my soulmate... deal with it

Also being a radical trans ideologue is a good thing

@@gracetriendl721 what about people like myself who advocate for gay and lesbian rights yet dont agree with trangenderism?

@@betternow1906 If you're marginalized then reread my first comment if not you're just bigoted

{Better Now} people like yourself partake in trans erasure.

It's sad as hell.

Literally she was kinda ... respectful?!

Yes everyone belongs somewhere, but maybe trans ppl dont belong in the lgbt community specifically? Thats almost like saying black people beling in the lgbt community just because theyre oppressed as well?

@@vincentfields286 and that's why we have black history month I just don't get how like they said trans people would of have been supportive of gay/lesbians for the longest But than randomly it hurts to know people are stabbing us in the back There also talking about removing the B because "there's no such thing as liking both"

@@raeechllee Its understandable if you think about it like this: there are certain stereotypes that make trans ppl look bad. Like the whole "uwu bigender lesbian femboy" type stuff. So when cishets think "lgbt community" they usually think of that (even though obviously not all trans ppl are like that at all). Being trans isnt a sexuality, and being gay or bi isnt about transitioning. So where are we in the same community at all? Just because majority of trans ppl support and love lgb ppl, doesnt mean we should be a part of the same community

@@vincentfields286 Because it has been founded that way. You of course could split it, but I think that that would just spread toxic relationships between the community in these times. Why should we split it at the same time when (as? Someone please tell and correct me) trans people getting discriminated? I'm okay with dividing it when the river has calmed down again and everyone can make a decision about it in neutral times without doing it to invalidate the other group.

Oh we do? I believe as a gay man I’m forcibly appart of it aren’t I? Mind not speaking for me?

This is the same thing with asexual and aromantic exclusionists as well as trans gatekeeping it's bullshit I swear to god some people just need to shut the fuck up

EXACTLYYY agh like, I don't mind at all if people call me bi instead of pan. There are some people that argue that pan people can like nb people, but bi people can't, and that seems like a weird way to target bi people as somewhat transphobic, and also it's a weird way to sneakily further ostracize or fetishize nb people. I'm sure some people don't view it as that, and it's fine to have different interests, but it's not fine to basically say bi people as a whole are less progressive somehow. For me, I feel I am pan because I notice a person's personality first as my way of being attracted to them (that's just my personal reasoning and identity, though). Before I started T, I used to feel I was gay with some bi leanings (mostly biromantic, as I had fallen for a few women, but was mainly interested in men both romantically and otherwise). I now just think "wow, cute person! wowee" when I see or am around someone that is my type. That type is wider now, and more amorphous. I have a hugeee thing for creative types and people who enjoy pondering most anything, so that to me is the most defining aspect of my sexuality; it is based on person to person without their gender affecting it much or any. I used to feel different varieties and levels of attraction to different identities of gender before (when I felt somewhat bi leaning), if that makes sense. I have no qualms with how people identify me under the larger Bi umbrella, but people saying only pan people can like trans or nb people is pretty whack. No one should feel forced to change how they identify their sexuality based on how other people view it. There are some nb people that identity as gay or lesbian, and it may be more difficult for people to understand currently, but it's absolutely valid for someone to have individual preferences and interests, as long as they aren't based on ignorance or prejudice. Some trans people wont date other trans people because of dysphoria they tend to get from that, and that's absolutely fine with me, because they want to take care of themselves, and realize they could become toxic to themselves and/or others because of how they experience and feel things. I used to not want to date other trans men before I fully came out, and that was due to deep rooted self esteem and dysphoria issues, but now I am more than happy to date other trans men. whew I went on a big thing there. Sorry lol. I haven't been able to talk many LGBT+ nuanced things with people lately ahhah

@@its_the_bird Fucking same my dude. Being pan doesn't make someone above or somehow "more woke" than bi people. Everyone has their own relationship with labels and their definitions, but identifying as something similar to someone else does not justify hate. I have also encountered a lot of people who think that people identifying as pan is disrespectful to bi people because it is ignoring our history and I'm just like. Bro- It's MULTISEXUAL history. As in PEOPLE WHO LIKE MORE THAN ONE GENDER. Not just bi history. By that logic we should never evolve or change our language ever because it's "disrespectful to history." Like even though Marsha P Johnson identified as a drag queen doesn't mean that she is not a part of TRANS history. Just because it is not the same exact label doesn't mean that it is not our history. Overall I think people just try to find ways to make themselves feel above people when in reality, we should just respect each other and our differences and our similarities and experiences and choices because we're all on the same team and go through the same struggles of being multisexual.

@@its_the_bird You said it all aha ! Personally it's just that I feel differently attracted to genders, like I feel more "sexually" attracted to men & men-aligned people, and more romantically attracted to women & women-aligned people. I guess I could use the label "omnisexual" but I don't want to have to explain all the time what it means... And I just hate when some people say that Bi are not attracted to trans people (including NB) I mean I get why some people wouldn't want to date trans ppl, like it can be pure transphobia but sometimes it's just that the other person is not willing to go with everything that comes with being trans in a relationship, but that doesn't mean you have to generalize :'))) Anyway we're all fucking valid

Whats omnisexuality?

@@AllDaGoodUsernamesWereTaken Omnisexuality is being attracted to all genders, but without being genderblind like pansexuals. That means that you may have a preference for a gender, or you like them differently, anyway gender matters but you are attracted to all of them

Homosexuality rights activism is not transphobia. You are actually a heterosexual couple. You've nothing to do with actual lesbian, gay and bisexual people. It is homophobia when you try to silence us into not fighting for the respect of our sexual orientations.

@@dadeusfortunae Lol what? A few things, 1. We are not a straight couple. If you believe that, look at how actual homophobic straight people treat people like us. 2. My wife is bi, which still stands whether you view trans people as valid or not. And 3. I don’t believe that anyone should be pressured into dating/engaging sexually with ANYONE including trans people, so I have absolutely no idea how you think gay-trans couples existing is oppressive to other people

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I think you just said what the point is. That sexuality and transitioning have nothing to do with each other, so why are they together?

Ayannna Harrison-Riley because its a community of oppressed people

@@ayannnaharrison-riley7129 it's a community about acceptance in everybody not pushing people out

@@ayannnaharrison-riley7129 LGB and trans people are all opressed by the same people, that's why we are together on the same community

Trans ppl started the community. How ungrateful and privileged are we to just drop them and act like they dont exist. It's disgusting.

You know nothing about what happened do you?

Allies like you make me feel so much better after witnessing the bullshit those transphobes were spouting

I thought you were calling Noah a she for a hot second- thank god you weren't

I hope I'm not the "she" lol

I came out as a gay man in 1984, I'm a cis gay man but I don't think that term was around then. Anyway I joined in with the LGBTQ civil rights movement and marched, wrote letters, helped create our local LGBTQ Community Center. Those of us who were out never questioned who belonged, we welcomed everyone. Because we were all fighting against the same discrimination and seeking the same civil rights. It's better now, but we are all still fighting for the same thing, everyone belongs, always have and always will as far as I'm concerned!!!

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Exactly. Its LGBTQ+. And even then there are ppl who think the q+ should be dropped. Those ppl drive me mad to no end!!

And that’s why I say LGBTQ+ Community

The whole acronym for LGBTQ+ is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (I missed some).

asexuals are pretty discriminated against. most arguments i've heard about ace people not being in the community is because if they are cishet (romantically) then it'd make no sense since they don't experience ssa/sga nor gender dysphoria. the good arguments (against it) will say that it's not inherently lgbt when they are cishet (romantically)

That's what gonna start calling myself now. Makes me sound less like a Sad Trans Person™ and more like a cool surfboarder.

@@dyinginside8822 im radical trans. Im a rad person to be around AND trans

Also no one has been arrested from those laws anyway, transphobes are conflating it to be something bigger than it is

@@seeawn www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/03/18/canadian-man-jailed-after-misgendering-his-daughter/ here’s one example and also that’s one of the reason people hate the lgbt. The dishonesty. “Oh so little have been arrested for it” that’s because they give out the choice between time and a fine. .-. Don’t ask why people don’t like you guys. This is why.

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Just remember most of the world will never accept you and your support comes from an echo chamber you surround yourself with. Also* the approval rating for LGBT issues among young people is going down from the last generation. So theres a very good chance things will get harder not easier.

Better Now, I shouldn’t have to explain why what you said was needlessly cruel. How can you possibly justify attacking someone in a fragile state of mind with the intention of making it worse? That will never be the right thing to do, no matter what you believe. There is no excuse.

@Alex Percy I know its been a long time but i hope you're doing well, also the people in the video have no idea what they're talking about and you are the only one that knows how you feel so don't let them get to you. You're valid and deserve to be happy.

“There’s is no homosexuality without my social construct” why are you homophobic?

​@@wacawaka1802 they're literally bisexual and not trans. Nice try though

To be fair I do need a new tv but that doesn’t excuse transphobia or biphobia

“People trying to erase” way to pretend you didn’t add that on there before. .-. “Why are people removing the thing from a list that it doesn’t belong in? Don’t they know I forcibly added us to their movement?” Also you are aware that it used to be “homosexual” before they made it an acronym to add trans people right? Then they called us the Q word. :T oh and honosexual meant anyone interested in the same sex. Not “only the same sex.” Thanks for dragging bi people in this though

@@wacawaka1802 U okay fam u seem pressed

@@annieshakespeare7613 lol yeah, they’re out here replying to loads of comments trying to justify their transphobic bullshit.

helena haha so true tho

If you're trans you should call it a intend to switch instead of Nintendo switch

@@hester1871 wtf?