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Should You Buy A UniFi Dream Machine, USG, USG Pro, or Dream Machine Pro? 

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⏱️ Timestamps ⏱️
00:00 Routing Equipment Shortcomings
01:53 Forced Registration
02:52 No Official Wireguard Support
03:16 No Outbound VPN Policy Routing
04:02 No Controls on WAN failover
04:40 No Multiple IP's on USG line
05:31 UniFi Dashboard
06:30 Reasons to Buy The UniFi Dream Machine Pro
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@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Update: Per the notes for the upcoming version of UniFi OS - Dream Machines 1.11.0-15 they have "Allow to set up console without SSO account" listed under improvements.
@PsyBoots
@PsyBoots 2 года назад
what about the EdgeRouter line? Could u do a video like this?
@wiebowesterhof
@wiebowesterhof 2 года назад
This may be a good thing. However, would this not only work if you already have that firmware on the machine prior to getting it? I mean you may be able to force-update via SSH using the defaults etc. I saw the post from PsyBoot on the EdgeRouter - I have the ERP8Pro and it is a bit more feature rich. However, it is now getting pretty old (still works great). You don't have the Unifi integration either. It does some things significantly better even now after all this time. I would genuinely love it if the USG router stuff had a richer feature set. I have no need for very fancy firewall stuff really. But I kinda do at the same time. I need VLANs, I need traffic to go via a default WAN with failover to the other port, with ability to have one set of stuff go via WAN1 by default failing back to WAN2, and another the other way around. It can be done on ERP8Pro, but on the USG stuff, even with newer updates, that is JSON file hackery which I can't be bothered with :) Appreciate the review Tom!
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
@@PsyBoots We never really use them anymore so not likely.
@PsyBoots
@PsyBoots 2 года назад
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS thats sad, is hard to find good videos about it. But thx!
@blackpearl09101
@blackpearl09101 2 года назад
Can u change the DNS, APN, and Add a SIM card ??
@brandongraham3509
@brandongraham3509 2 года назад
I'm relatively new to setting up my home network and am not an IT person professionally. I got the UDM last year based on Tom's previous videos and have so far learned a lot. I've since found that the UI seems to constantly change, and there are a few other things that are annoying, but for a beginner it's been a good gateway to wanting more eventually. I would recommend it to people interested in diving into the system, and if I had to get something up and running quickly, I'd consider getting it again. That said, I do want to graduate to pfsense at some point when I do more with a homelab. For college students who might move around a bunch, the UDM seems to be excellent.
@NickyNiclas
@NickyNiclas 2 года назад
Remember when we used to love Ubiquiti? It all started with an Edgerouter X for me, good times ..but no king rules forever.
@austinfarley4971
@austinfarley4971 2 года назад
Mine was the 5 port PoE Edgerouter and their UAP-LRs (The Wireless N ones!)
@bitpickersplace494
@bitpickersplace494 2 года назад
I’m a home user and I’m pretty happy with the Unifi equipment. I hav e the UDM Pro, 24 port pro switch and the 8 port 150 watt Poe switch. I’ve got five vlans and it does what I want it to do. My biggest complaint is the dual personality of having to use two different gui’s to get things done. Ubiquity should pick one, get it developed and then release it and stop with the constant confusion of where features are now, but the next update moves them somewhere else. They need to go to one gui.
@UltimateJiuJitsu
@UltimateJiuJitsu 2 года назад
I'm for some reason only seeing this now.. Wow Tom what a video.. I absolutely loved your real-life assessment on implementing unifi into my network. This is something I've been considering since I've started building my homelab network. It's a big step when researching something that will totally change how I control my network. I come from a windows background and have just recently become familiar enough with linux to implement it in my homelab. And absolutely loving it 🙂 Thank you for this video.. It's exactly the type of well presented content people want and need! Kudos to you sir..
@aaronquarles3902
@aaronquarles3902 2 года назад
the biggest needed feature in my opinion is scheduled restarts of aps and other devices, Ive had aps get a little screwy after months of runtimes and simple restart fixes them. Theres work arounds for it but it needs to be a feature in the controller software
@davidfarning8246
@davidfarning8246 2 года назад
Your analisys was spot on. I used my USG for about 18 months and loved the first 12 months. It was a great transition from big box routers to Unifi. A lot of things just worked. The last 6 months were rough. It felt like I had hit a very hard ceiling on what the router/firewall was able to do. I kept the Unifi APs and switches while changing the router/firewall to Pfsense.
@46I37
@46I37 2 года назад
Same with us. We had a unifi gateway to replace our pfSense but it was too feature crippled so went back to pfSense.
@dishtech4533
@dishtech4533 2 года назад
This was very helpful man. I'm currently waiting on a Dream Machine SE and I stumbled upon your videos after doing some searches. I've been watching a ton of your content related to Ubiquiti and you have given me a ton of information. Keep up the good work.
@idscomm
@idscomm 2 года назад
Thanks for the video, very informative as I was debating switching my Pfsense to a UDM Pro as I have many Unifi products. I don’t think the UDM Pro will work for me. Many VLANS and fairly complex network. So for I have tried Untangle (even bought the licence) and Pfsense. I love both but the down side of Untangle is the non support of mDNS (especially for IoT / HomeKit) I know you can still install avahi but it’s unsupported and could break after updating … so far this is my only downside about Untangle. I love your channel btw, very professional, informative and yo seem very comfortable in front of the camera lol! Thanks and keep up the good work.
@UMfan21
@UMfan21 2 года назад
Have my UDMP but haven't fired it up yet as I finish the rest of my rack...I think it will still be good for my home use as a "prosumer". Thanks for this video (and all of them, I have viewed many). I had a friend ask me about Unifi products and I basically compared them to Apple in terms of having a slick interface, but perhaps limited functionality vs. Android. As the video said though, the UDMP is better than an "off the shelf" consumer device which is what I am upgrading from.
@andrewenglish3810
@andrewenglish3810 2 года назад
Nice video photo of you holding a UDMP upside down. :)
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
I was wondering how long until someone noticed.
@DanielMartinez-hc1nw
@DanielMartinez-hc1nw 2 года назад
I wish they had an updated udm pro setup for LANS and WANS. I am still learning and love your channel.
@Deepworlder
@Deepworlder 2 года назад
Had a UDM pro, UI was great, sold it after 3 months due to lack of features. Using pfsense now
@jeffm2787
@jeffm2787 2 года назад
pfsense is great when it works. I have an SG-3100 and well pfsense works wonderfully, the add on's like pfblocker and Suricata, they are great when they work. I've had the same experience with the community edition as well on various hardware. Just soo many problems with the add-ons. Failures, timeouts, crashes.
@Bierkameel
@Bierkameel 2 года назад
Same here, switched back to my MikroTik RB3011 because the UDM Pro is so limited and also not very stable.
@VideoArchiveGuy
@VideoArchiveGuy 2 года назад
If you want to have to deal with a separate PC, why did you buy a UDM in the first place? Pfsense is great but it's a configuration and maintenance nightmare.
@ltolgyesi
@ltolgyesi 2 года назад
@@VideoArchiveGuy I completely disagree with you on that. nightmare is when you update an ubnt product and at the end you get a brick. It might take some time to set up pfsense or opnsense, but then they just roll. Bonus: once you are done,you have learned some solid networking skills that nobody can take it from ya ;)
@jeffm2787
@jeffm2787 2 года назад
@@ltolgyesi Problem with PFSense and I've been using it on and off for over a decade now is just how inconsistent the releases are. Almost all of the problems are related to the add-ons and I've often had to go to dev versions to get things to work. On my SG3100 I've had soo many issues just using the GUI with crashes, timeouts, etc. Then add in packages just stopping for no reason. I've using PFSense CE now on other hardware and honestly I don't really trust it once I've added in suricata and pfblockerng. Just waiting for it to crash. My SG3100 just doesn't have the power to run much beyond the base with gigabit FIOS. Had a USG3 running for a while and while it had no features it at least routed gigabit with no slowdowns and never crashed once.
@jig1056
@jig1056 2 года назад
Lawrence you make really great points. Not only are your points valid extremely fair. I use the Unifi products for home use and it works great. My Wifi speeds don’t live up to what I’m paying for our even what I’m getting on a wired connection. I don’t know what is the issue but I’m still getting about 350 Mbs so it’s really not an issue. I also agree with you that the information on the dashboard is interesting but not always very useful. There’s definitely work that’s needed but overall for a simple install it’s a great product. And I know what you’re referring to are far more advanced features that are found on other products. Thanks again for making extremely useful, educational, and also entertaining videos.
@tvnostalgia7477
@tvnostalgia7477 2 года назад
Literally listed all the missing features I really need. Port level egress routing to specific WAN circuits is a must too. GUI for this would be a bonus.
@TheAyrrow
@TheAyrrow 2 года назад
The UDM has been great for me, there aren't too many features I'd like (although i'd like better DPI stats and more info on the IPS/IDS) but the wifi (and the ability to easily add an AP and switch) with the single pane has been great for a noob user.
@blackpearl09101
@blackpearl09101 2 года назад
Can u change the DNS, APN, and Add a SIM card ??
@rollover36
@rollover36 2 года назад
I deployed about 4 UDM Pro's to small business and home clients last year, they are all working just fine without issues so far, granted these are very simple or basic setups. Not buying any UDM again anytime soon though.
@kencee9213
@kencee9213 2 года назад
Thanx for that Info. About to get a udm pro. For my in-laws house so it will be a pro sumer setup for just basic stuff and clean to surf web and tv. And don't think we need a separate firewall. I am learning. And then down the road update my house but have to run Ethernet cable to the garage where the switch will be
@barrymerritt3727
@barrymerritt3727 2 года назад
I have a UDM Pro as a secondary firewall and wifi management controller. The one thing I despise about it is no out of band management network and it forces the management network on to the untagged VLAN 1 default LAN. I consider this a security vulnerability. The default on each switch port is dynamic access to any and all VLANs. I have to create port profiles to assign to every port. These issues are a concern since I'm unsure of the potential vulnerabilities of the ports even with assigned port profiles.
@ap5672
@ap5672 2 года назад
I have 2 x USG and 1 x USG PRO4 installation (1 residential, 1 restaurant, 1 hotel) which ended up being doorstops and replaced by mikrotik routers which is far more configurable for our needs. The learning curve for mikrotik is steep but its incredibly configurable.
@templyn7722
@templyn7722 2 года назад
Appreciate the time and information!
@Jirik0007
@Jirik0007 2 года назад
My UDM pro SE version is supporting on ports 1 and 2 POE+ 👍 currently running AP U6-LR. Amazing. Nobody talks about it. Unfortunately I have already bought an extra poe+ adapter :(
@Heizenberg32
@Heizenberg32 2 года назад
The biggest reason that I will not buy a UniFi product anytime soon: The company's track record of poor communication and retroactively removing / nerfing features on their products.
@austinfarley4971
@austinfarley4971 2 года назад
I remember when I first installed a Unifi system in 2013. It was a breeze and for the price point, it was perfect for the non-profits I contracted with. Now I don't know what I'd go with.
@ruyan247
@ruyan247 2 года назад
@@austinfarley4971 Mikrotik maybe?
@austinfarley4971
@austinfarley4971 2 года назад
@@ruyan247 I haven't touched Mikrotik in about 6-7 years. Worth looking at again?
@SchmakerSchmoo
@SchmakerSchmoo 2 года назад
@@austinfarley4971 is there another option currently for the more budget/mid-tier network setups? everything else I look at is either insanely expensive or missing the central management features that Unifi offers
@blackpearl09101
@blackpearl09101 2 года назад
@@austinfarley4971 U should try the Huawei 5G pro at first I was hesitating but now I definitely don't regret it.
@rickstokes2239
@rickstokes2239 2 года назад
I’ve used Zyxel USG and ATP firewalls successfully with the UniFi networks which work well.
@UltimateJiuJitsu
@UltimateJiuJitsu 2 года назад
I'm still at the planning stage of my homelab.. It's like a work-in-progress if you like. I'm wondering if I should use unifi or pfsense to control my vlans? I'm thinking that I'll have to configure the vlans on both but I'd like to understand which one to use as the main controller
@sgtace
@sgtace 2 года назад
I'm looking into UDM mainly for all in one camera setup with PoE. I don't need overcomplicated networking stuff for my home, but routing single cable to cameras that aren't that expensive compared to competitors and having good quality+sound+plug and play app is tempting.
@EricsTechSpot
@EricsTechSpot 2 года назад
The standard udm pro doesnt have PoE on board. The second edition UDM pro in early access does though
@sgtace
@sgtace 2 года назад
@@EricsTechSpot okay, but linus did cameras on his video on PoE via UDM pro I think
@EricsTechSpot
@EricsTechSpot 2 года назад
@@sgtace it's very possible that he was using PoE injectors or was using a dedicated PoE switch. If you are using injectors, then the PoE is supplied by those and you patch the LAN side through to the UDM Pro.
@bobquartlemigula2351
@bobquartlemigula2351 2 года назад
I’m thinking about going with the Next Generation gateway Pro to pair with the new switch pro 24 I just bought, this will give me a 10 gig network segment internally. The big thing is I have no idea when it will become available for purchase at this point.
@meeyou3128
@meeyou3128 2 года назад
Thank you. I’m waiting for the new dream machine pro se to come out.
@stevedulaney3570
@stevedulaney3570 2 года назад
The requirement to phone home during turnup was the reason I did not purchase UDM Pro. Purchased a Protectli, installed OPNSense on it when my previous router hardware died. The other items i.e VPNs was an issue that I was willing to live with.
@RobertoOrtis
@RobertoOrtis Год назад
Do you have an updated video about this? I am planning to buy one and would like to know if they improved something. Also, would like to know better alternatives
@427consulting
@427consulting 2 года назад
I normally run a hybrid of firewalls. For the basic networks that don’t need anything I use a UniFi device usg or usg pro and for everything else I have been using meraki, but with the UXG Pro seemingly never coming out of beta this week Im planning on testing pfsense and thinking edge router. Mostly due to needing multigigabit… Any thoughts on that side of things? Having only a few portals to have our clients in is nice but looks like it’s time to branch out…
@lordcarnorjax8599
@lordcarnorjax8599 2 года назад
I found it sad that Chris Buechler left the pfSense project, which he co-founded, to join Ubiquiti back in July 2016. However I had hopes that he be able to get the USG products up to a feature level where end users would expect them to be for small business at least. Over 5 years later and the gateway is still the product that lets the whole UniFi line down, by a lot and they still brand the UniFi line as Enterprise equipment. A "Enterprise" line that doesn't even have DHCP relay working on it's L3 switches. They seem far too busy working on the next "shiny" like their access product and yet don't even have the basics of their existing line smoothed out.
@MrGlas4000
@MrGlas4000 2 года назад
Yeps. Have one customer that did not want to splash the cash for a proper setup so we bought Unifi a few years back. Im pretty much underwhelmed lol. It looks nice, probably decent in a home environment with not more then 30 devices, but other than that it's not very useful. Proper local DNS resolving, Realtime monitoring........Tried the bandwidth trottling option once, It brings a god awful latency game to the party, Tried to enable traffic monitoring and the USG collapsed. Devices that go into a reboot loop after firmware updates. And I can go on and on... And don't even get me started on the controller software.... For now I ditched the USG for Pfsense. That way we are at least able to do some proper vlan/throttling and live tracking of data. Lesson learned ! Aruba or Cisco in the workplace and Mikrotik at home is the name of the game !
@lordcarnorjax8599
@lordcarnorjax8599 2 года назад
@@MrGlas4000 At home I’m mostly Cisco Catalyst for my switches (2960S, 3750G, 3560-CG). I have a US-8-60 too but that thing runs so hot. My AP’s are UBNT and firewall is pfSense on a PC Engines APU2. I run my UniFi controller in a docker container on my UNRAID box. Since I moved to the docker container the controller runs flawlessly for me now. I’m at the point of replacing the AP’s and I’m seriously considering replacing them with Aruba InstantOn.
@MrGlas4000
@MrGlas4000 2 года назад
@@lordcarnorjax8599 Have not tried the docker container. I might give that a go. Did try a cloudkey, but i was not able to migrate the config from the controller to the cloudkey and did not feel like to get blue fingers from clicking through that controller interface to get all settings back. Had my fair share of issues with the US-8 as well. Reboot looping when firmware upgrading. So you have to login on every switch and reboot haha. I really like the Aruba's but to be fair. The range and power of the Unifi AP's is not bad as well.
@brianspriggs7881
@brianspriggs7881 2 года назад
Photo of UDM is upside down
@IndianaDiy
@IndianaDiy Год назад
Would the Dream Machine pro se be overkill for a soho network? I’m looking at using the cameras for security and trying save money on having less equipment or separate camera system.
@mrljvb
@mrljvb 2 года назад
I like their APs, and the small POE powered switches which I use at each of my entertainment centers for TV's, game consoles, DVRs, ete, as I can power them from my Brocade/Rukus switch. Beyond that, not a fan of their routers and gateway type devices. Just not my thing, it's pretty, but that is where it stops.
@evanwyatt5608
@evanwyatt5608 2 года назад
Do you have a video comparing Unifi to something like a Watchguard? I'm looking at a small business use case and don't think the Enterprise firewall is needed, but can't find much info about security of Unifi USG/UDM
@youknow5569
@youknow5569 11 месяцев назад
I have the Dream Machine Pro at my home and at my office. I have 2 cloud keys to access NVR systems and 4 Dream machines for other NVR's I love that when the ISP changes my Non static ipv4 I can change the Dream machines remotely. Also have multiple POE switches and multiple AP's lets not forget the 16 TB HDDS in the Pro Dream machines with about 15 total Protect Cameras throughout
@reggieangus5325
@reggieangus5325 2 года назад
what do you think about the Dream Machine without Wifi 6E, considering its supposed to be a Pro machine or its lack thereof. Im not sure if I could buy something like this knowing Wifi 6e standard is around the corner w 6ghz bands
@mainfighter
@mainfighter 2 года назад
BTW, I'm pretty sure they are finally working on letting people set up at least the UDM without a UI Account, at least from what I understand. The latest beta update: "Allow to set up console without SSO account. (Mobile app support coming in upcoming versions)". Way too late but atleast it's finally happening I guess. Still personally think the UDM Pro is missing so many basic features that an "Enterprise-class" router should have by default though, kinda ridiculous that it doesn't have basic stuff like DNAT, SNAT, etc. Plan on switching mine out for a beefy pfSense setup sometime in the future, might switch away from Unifi completely as well honestly.
@ThatGoth
@ThatGoth 2 года назад
Would you recommend the Dream Machine Pro SE for a home user?
@Stoney3K
@Stoney3K 2 года назад
My biggest issue with the USG is that failover and site-to-site VPN still doesn't work. When the upstream connection fails over, the site-to-site VPN disconnects and it does not reconnect, not even when you fail over back to your main uplink. You have to either restart the site-to-site VPN manually or power cycle the router to bring it back up. UniFi has been aware of that issue since something like 2016 but they never put any effort into fixing it.
@aquatrax123
@aquatrax123 2 года назад
They need to redesign the firewall rules. Internet in, Internet out, Lan in, out, etc. are confusing a hell.
@timcarabott
@timcarabott 2 года назад
Great video. I have the UDM Pro and the VPN side of it really annoys me. I have an Avaya phone system at home and the Avaya IP Phones have built in VPN however they don't support L2TP over IPSec, they need pure IPSec. Frustrating.
@jasonpbaxter
@jasonpbaxter 2 года назад
Go Cloud voice.. Probably solved. Let me know if I can help
@mychaelhouck2404
@mychaelhouck2404 2 года назад
Simple network for me. No VPN, I have a few VLANs and stability is rock solid. Obviously my USW24 is bulletproof, but my UDMP is really stable for me.
@dmack690
@dmack690 2 года назад
Im looking to upgrade my home network and would like to get your take on after using PFSense, OpenSense and The Unifi Dream Machine Pro. Which would be your number choice for the most settings flexibly and that would give you the best Security.
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
PFSense
@weatherornotsubaru
@weatherornotsubaru Год назад
I have specific question about the Dream Machine and vlan/separate networks. Can I create 3 networks, all separate from each other...and then allow specific devices on a network to talk to a specific device on another network, while maintaining the exclusivity of each network otherwise? Basically can I apply specific firewall rules to each separate network? How granular can I go? Can I have a device on a guest network able to communicate with a device (and only that device) on a different network?
@AceBoy2099
@AceBoy2099 2 года назад
How do you feel these and the Zyxel Nebula stuff compare to each other? I currently have a Zyxel managed switch and 2 APs but no "gateway" because I'm using a residential netgear router but find it kind of limited from say your setup videos with vlans and such. Currently trying to figure out how to do mixed gigabit lan and 10 gb for unraid/truenas vm through the Zyxel XGS1930-28HP (sfp+ ports, either DAC or rj45-transceiver conections).
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
zyxel has had too many backdoors for me to consider their products
@soscostarica
@soscostarica 2 года назад
i have a lot of problems trying to filter websites, and using the pre configured options, but someone told me the pre configured security works fine.
@louiem5985
@louiem5985 2 года назад
This was a great video. I bought my Unifi items because of your review of things. Since I have it for home use and work most of the time from home I think it's good enough for me now. One thing you did mention is how you set up pfsense in front of the dream machine. Do you have a current video on that? Right now I'm still using my ISP router firewall haven't turned off many of its features because of that reason. I would like to turn my ISP modem into a bridge then use all the items I bought but just afraid about my configuration on the firewall that I will let things in or not block the right items from getting infected or something. Besides that keep up the great work!!!
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh 2 года назад
Setting up two routers between your home and the internet isn't optimal... Pick one to be the router/firewall e.g. ISP in bridge mode then pf or unifi router
@louiem5985
@louiem5985 2 года назад
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh That's what I was thinking to stick with Unifi dream machine. What good firewall setting should I have on the router. That's what I'm trying to figure out before bridging my router.
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh 2 года назад
@@louiem5985 The basic config for a firewall should be enough to have it be the only firewall. You might want to look at web content filtering. I run a block list of about 3.5m sites in pfsense to get rid of Ads, Tracking, known bad sites etc. I see unifi has something similar.
@louiem5985
@louiem5985 2 года назад
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh I was thinking of running pin whole for the ads but didn't think about content filtering. Where did you get the 3.5m list from if you don't mind me asking.
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh 2 года назад
@@louiem5985 List sources: "OISD NL" + "Firebog" + "University of Tolouse - UT1 blcklist"
@frenat
@frenat 2 года назад
I had a Unifi dream machine last year. IT was stable and worked with no issues on the older firmware and OS. Updated to the new OS and some devices in my home wouldn't stay connected. Couldn't go back to the old firmware as a reset to defaults DID load the old firmware but the first part of the setup updated to the latest firmware and could not be skipped. Setup could also not be run without an internet connection. Later had an issue with the device that bricked it. Got it replaced under warranty and ended up selling it off without opening the box. Still using a Ubiquiti AP as I was before the dream machine but didn't want to bother with the hassle again.
@aaronletchford
@aaronletchford 2 года назад
Thanks for the video, Iv just had full fiber installed 900mb and 50mb up would this be a good machine to purchase as the bt smart hub does not have any features integrated and with my draytek 2862ac useing the wan 2 I'm getting 400mb and 110 up, would I be able to plug my single line fiber into the the dream machine thanks
@leonardogyn
@leonardogyn 2 года назад
My main concern, regarding all "firewall" products from UniFi, is that they are basically feature stale for years. No new features were added for quite some time, and not because they are already very complete, the truth is the very opposite, they are very feature set incomplete and Ubiquiti seems to be just fine with that. Expecting improvements, seeing Ubiquiti behavior on the last few years, doesn't seem realistic at all. The most basic features, like managing dhcp leases, that are present even on those US$ 15 cheap-o Chinese routers, are missing. They do work on what they are capable, set and forget, that's true. But they are also VERY little capable of everything that, nowadays, even home users will eventually need. The Pro, sold by them as Professional, barely scratches the Prosumer needs. As a network engineer who deploys lots of UniFi APs and switches, the USGs and UDMs are simply not capable. Mikrotik boxes that cost the half can do ten times more features. I'll loose some fancy but most of the time not so useful graphics, but that's fine to me!
@Noodles.FreeUkraine
@Noodles.FreeUkraine 2 года назад
But see, they need all those resources for high-level research into how to make the GUI as unwieldy as possible and switch up things as often as possible. Also, getting in and out of sideline items like phones and stuff is time-consuming.
@zadekeys2194
@zadekeys2194 2 года назад
Agreed 99999%. Mikrotik can replace 'everything' from Ubiquiti foress and have a faaaaaar more feature rich solution.
@nielstaildeman
@nielstaildeman 2 года назад
True. All I see is constantly addind bells and whistles while they need to fix one of their core product. Lack of SSL Decryption and easy logging is also a BIG turnoff
@daniellang917
@daniellang917 2 года назад
would love to see a follow up video on the new unifi dream machine se 💪
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Still full of shortcomings, just like all UniFi firewall.
@nickl8830
@nickl8830 2 года назад
Tom it would be nice is your compared why say an Edge Router 12 or 12P would be better for those they don’t need the cool UI like the UDM Pro. Usage between the two and what you can can’t do between the two.
@bassbacke
@bassbacke 2 года назад
I have a Cisco router in front of my USG Pro. I want a layer between a firewall and the Internet. The router handles the connection to the Internet and NAT, that's why I needed to be able to disable NAT on the firewall so I don't get double NAT. With a USG or USG Pro that's only possible on the command line, which far from perfect but even that option is still not available on the DM or DMP, which is why I didn't buy them. Really sad since a DMT would have gone nicely with my 10 GBit/s LAN and the price for a DMP is hot.
@juandefs
@juandefs 2 года назад
I haven't been able to make my USG failover to my 2nd WAN, at this point i just gave up haha.
@BenGillam
@BenGillam 2 года назад
We put one in for a client and failover never ever worked we ended up replacing it with a different brand , ridiculous. Firewall awful as well can’t handle multiple wan IP’s Supposedly some of the stuff that doesn’t work great or just doesn’t exist ok gui is possible by hacking the config on ssh but that’s stupid as well
@zadekeys2194
@zadekeys2194 2 года назад
I don't think you researched the unit pre purchase... WAN fail over does not work. Yes, Ubiquiti are crap. They rely on their buzz from 5years ago
@STRAIGHTBOXMUSIC
@STRAIGHTBOXMUSIC 2 года назад
@@zadekeys2194 Failover works. The link has to go down. If it is still active but doesn't route to the internet (unpaid provider bill, etc) then it will hang. You can go command line and change server and time it pings server to control failover. Either that, or just go load balance at 1%.
@roy9871
@roy9871 2 года назад
This is why I use the Ubiquiti edgerouter 4.
@skittles970
@skittles970 2 года назад
I only like their PT(M)P devices
@KiwiTimmy
@KiwiTimmy 2 года назад
After this video I still really don't know where to go with my home network. Currently just have a USG a 4 port switch and 2 AP and a Pi hole for ad blocking. Wanting to get into unify cameras and have the controller off my computer hence why I was going to buy a UDM Pro or UDM pro SE and a couple more AP and 2 more small switches for POE for the cameras. USM pro is still around $800 where I live.
@ashleykingston1980
@ashleykingston1980 2 года назад
I love the unifi APs but I bought a USG around 4 years ago and sold it after 6 months. Was just too unreliable for me. I use the unifi APs now with a pfsense router and the whole package is now rock solid for home use.
@tylermcnally8232
@tylermcnally8232 2 года назад
You sold someone something that was unreliable..
@briank1131
@briank1131 Год назад
Im a network engineer to start off. Everyone says these are great, but i dont see they are considered consumer grade due to prices. i currently use a combination of Meraki and Cisco as i recieved all this equipment for free. Im thinking of swapping to Fortigate
@EsotericArctos
@EsotericArctos Год назад
Watching this in August 2022. Ubiquiti have finally released a wireguard implementation in a feature called Teleport. Still, it was almost a year after this video was released.
@thoughtsofapeer
@thoughtsofapeer 2 года назад
Hi, great video. Its my first time here. Subbed already. I am looking for the best solution to control my network at home. I have a roommate living in my apartment, and I have pretty sensitive data on my PC from work especially. So I am looking to set up VLAN where my roommate can connect to one that has no access to the rest of my network. If possible I would also like to have some control over how much bandwidth the roommate has, and some sort of control of what he is doing like blocking piracy sites and alike to make sure nothing illegal happens. If he uses VPN to circumvent piracy blockade I have no problem with that, I just don't want it tracking back to me. I would really like Wifi 6 support, but also a small, neat, fairly cheap solution like the UDM base model. Does a product like that exist? And if not, I'm willing to compromise on the Wifi 6 and would just like to hear your recommendations for a setup.
@Silu848
@Silu848 2 года назад
I have used a ubiquiti USG in the beginning, but had a lot of problem with creating new firewall rules, port forwarding etc. sometimes a new port forwarding did not work properly. then after a restart of the USG everything worked. this was so annoying. troubleshooting was a nightmare. also you dont really have good options for traffic logs. One time I was so frustrated again, I took an old Fortigate 60E and replaced the USG with it. I can just tell you that it works PERFECTLY. It just works as you would expect, you have proper traffic logs, proper firewall rules, proper interfaces, proper zones, proper port forwardings (VIPs). Just as it should always be. So if you are interested in buying a used USG, write me a PN (but i cannot recommend the product) ;-) The APs are good though...
@seapanda-117
@seapanda-117 Год назад
I have two old USGs laying around. The little square ones. Is it possible to install pfsense on those instead of Unifi OS?
@K0nst4nt1n96
@K0nst4nt1n96 2 года назад
I just want a better home router. IDS and IPS is very tempting, some vlans and better control over the network is a big plus. I cant do any of that on my isp router + its pretty common for it to have security issues. Management by App would be nice but i can settle for a website too. I dont know if pfsense or Sophos Home or the Dream machine is the best choice. I think for my basic needs the Dream Machine is not only the cheapest but also quite easy to manage. My "Problem" is that i have a Gigabit Connection and with ids the hardware needs to be potent enough to still give me good throughput. That makes pfsense or Sophos so expensive for me hardwarewise. I do have another Access Point for Wifi so i dont really care if the wifi sucks on the Dream Machine. If its below 200€ on Sale i might consider buying it. Maybe someone has a similar use-case and could comment below.
@razaakhtar9723
@razaakhtar9723 9 месяцев назад
Hi, thanks for the detailed video, i am planning to deploy the UDM PRO in my existing network of 500+ nodes with 48 unifi access points (have to plan is for 1000+ nodes for future purposes), i am concerned about its capacity while i am using VPN and threat management, can you please guide on this.
@jamesandersen0007
@jamesandersen0007 2 года назад
very useful and great video 💯👍
@johnlaythe3336
@johnlaythe3336 2 года назад
What do you run the controller software on? Linux/Windows? In a client's VM? Standalone PC (Min specs?)?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Linux VM with 16GB
@reynold.lariza
@reynold.lariza 2 месяца назад
I know this is old, but would be nice, if we can get a refresh of this with the recent product line and software releases :)
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 месяца назад
I am working on that now
@__SKYNET__
@__SKYNET__ Год назад
Hey so I just upgraded to xfinity gigabit (1.2 Gbps) and I only get about 50% max speed on the router that comcast provides, thinking about getting a Dream Machine Pro, will it provide better through put and reliability? Thanks
@jonathan9506
@jonathan9506 7 месяцев назад
Thanks, but I did not understand if I have to use both, USG and dream machine or just one?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 7 месяцев назад
Just dream machine
@tcw3201
@tcw3201 2 года назад
Love your content, but please flip the UDM :) it’s upside down on your preview.
@bentheguru4986
@bentheguru4986 2 года назад
Went back to a USG Pro after nothing but issues witht he UDM Pro (nothing Pro about it) however, building up a better firewall to replace it.
@drtweak87
@drtweak87 2 года назад
Forgot how the UDM-P doesn't have load balancing either. I have installed quite a few of them along with USG's and only one USG pro (The one Pro option was right before the UDM P came out. Would have tossed that in due to firewall throughput. Most of the UI end of things on routers is mainly one of two things for me. 1) Remote management. Most of my clients don't need all those bells and whistles 2) The ease and simplicity of vlans. I have been dealing with Aruba's for the first time and oh man. They make me want to shoot myself. To the point where are are like "Screw it" Lets toss a UDM-P or Forigate in here!"
@chrishunter8648
@chrishunter8648 2 года назад
Hey , does the edge router x force registration as well?
@mms-rp8gh
@mms-rp8gh 2 года назад
so you suggest to use unifi access points and switches without usg, ok i get that and there is a reason for that. hope guys from unifi will thing about it and will add support for running something else on their devices :) maybe not on topic but how do you manage multicast thingy (dlna server, for example) that you (again, for example) want to work across multiple vlans?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
pfsense has a package for mDNS docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/packages/avahi.html
@curtispavlovec
@curtispavlovec 2 года назад
I’m still rocking USG and a couple Lite APs with a single UniFi switch and it runs as good as ever. It’s probably 4 plus years old now. At the time I built it out my networking needs were more complex with VLANs and such; today I don’t really require any of that. Will eventually go to a more simple and cheap setup when this stuff reaches end of life.
@nickl8830
@nickl8830 2 года назад
Good stuff Tom
@alonzosmith6189
@alonzosmith6189 2 года назад
Sold my Unifi UDM-PRO for Ruijie networks EG3230 security gateway. The specs are amazing. Just need to wait 6-8 week delivery 😫
@2dfx
@2dfx 2 года назад
A Chinese security appliance? No thanks.
@alonzosmith6189
@alonzosmith6189 2 года назад
@@2dfx Where equipment is built does not bother me. My Unifi and CISCO gear was built in China. My security cameras by Hikvision and Milesight are built in China. I also use FS or Fiber Store equipment also made in China.
@2dfx
@2dfx 2 года назад
@@alonzosmith6189 Ubnt equipment is made there too. The difference? The software is engineered in North America. FS, Hikvision, & your beloved Ruijie is all running software engineered in China. That unfortunately is a security risk, and the security holes and backdoors in Hikvision cameras have been well documented.
@Joshe505reborn
@Joshe505reborn Год назад
I ditched UniFi for Meraki last year. Just couldn't work with the features with UniFi which are designed for SMB customers, not Large or Enterprise.
@dmwaeschle
@dmwaeschle 9 месяцев назад
I wish I had known of some of your videos prior to investing in my UniFi equipment. I bought a Unifi Dream Machine a UniFi switch and a couple of the Unifi flaying saucer Wifi access points. I have had it for 6 months now. And is it worth it? I would say to anyone considering making this investment. DON"T DO IT, SAVE YOUR MONEY. Over the course of the past 6 months or so I have had issues mostly not necessarily UniFi problems. But I am still unable to configure the UniFi Dream Machine to work with the pfSense appliance I setup. Which was part of the reason I thought Unifi would have been a good idea, not to mention seeing others on RU-vid rave about their UniFi networking equipment. I wanted to segment out the entire network. Anyway I have had my share of problems and have found much cheaper work arounds with equipment I already have. Making me completely regret the choice of wasting all the money and effort to install and configure UniFi.
@theghost7334
@theghost7334 Год назад
Have any of you had problems with high latency on UDM Pro SE? I have a spectrum 1gb down and 35 up. Have modem 2.5gb port to UDM 10gb sfp+ ethernet adapter and still getting high latency when downloading games update
@Transamws6prg
@Transamws6prg 2 года назад
What do you think of the Netgear Insight VPN router vs the UDM pro?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dunno never used it
@sumantasahoo328
@sumantasahoo328 Год назад
Hi, I heard that UniFi DM Pro allows to add 50 Access Points only. is that right?
@mattp6089
@mattp6089 2 года назад
I've used UniFi access points and the controller before, but never switches or routers. A USG Pro still sounds fairly perfect for a small business that wants to run two or three vlans, one for corporate and one for public wifi at least, both with content filtering, and a point to point VPN to connect corporate network to Azure (still researching if it can do that properly). Its got the UniFi controller built into it from what I am reading, which is great. Failover to a 4G modem from standard networking for some continuity sounds good too, but glad you have mentioned here how it has flaws. I can't argue with the price, especially for something with content filtering. I also can't argue with 10G local copper switch links that cost all of 20 bucks. I think I will sort this plus an 8 port POE switch to give 8ports plus 8PoE and add three or so AX Lite access points for the business my brother is setting himself up next year. Bearing in mind this person wouldn't understand much of what I have said above it might just be the perfect product! :D
@stephenfish2278
@stephenfish2278 4 месяца назад
You don't need to signup anymore if you run from your own console/server/ssh, so for me the built in consoles in the dream machine variants are a no go. It is possible to manage them without an account though, providing you can set it up and make a backup - you can then skip the sign in. This does negate the whole point of it being easy to setup though!
@holdencross7534
@holdencross7534 2 года назад
Any thoughts on an alternative in the same price range? I would like to see more granular content.
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
We recommend pfsense on Netgate hardware.
@kanes5105
@kanes5105 2 года назад
Considered UniFi, but after investigating the pros and cons ( unfortunately more cons ) I stuck with pfSense, built a box with redundant SSD drives, solid with zero issues. I do like the EdgeMax managed switches though. AP is Cambium Networks, e600, again allows for configuration of multiple VLAN's, SSID's, fast trouble free wireless and secure.
@Sp001test
@Sp001test 2 года назад
Can you share your pfsense box built, please?
@zthemoney
@zthemoney 2 года назад
An excellent channel, would you recommend the Dream Machine Pro for NDI?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
What's NDI?
@laloajuria4678
@laloajuria4678 2 года назад
what brand of AP do you recommend to add as standalone to existing network if not unifi?
@strauss-2478
@strauss-2478 2 года назад
Ruckus Unleashed
@zadekeys2194
@zadekeys2194 2 года назад
There is no simple, single answer. You need to define your needs, environment etc and then choose an AP.
@SycsFinest
@SycsFinest 2 года назад
I got a UDM-Pro as soon as it came out of early access. It's been great; zero complaints. I'd be setting up others if they were in stock...
@joelarvidsson
@joelarvidsson 2 года назад
Is it possible to use the DMP and the Dream machine's VPN for netflix?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
As I said in the video, it does not support outbound privacy VPN routing.
@cbremer83
@cbremer83 2 года назад
I wonder if the new gateway in early access will fix some of the short comings.
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Nope
@kenzieduckmoo
@kenzieduckmoo 2 года назад
The biggest misconception I’ve seen people make with the UDM Pro is saying it sucks, because it’s not the greatest at business uses. The “Dream Machine” line is for home products. It’s competition is both consumer routers, and isp supplied modem/router combos. And for home usage it works great. Especially for someone who wants a better network operation than consumer grade stuff can provide, because they work from home, or want really awesome WiFi coverage in every room of their house. When you’re talking about the use case scenario of things like Tom does, with business deployments and warehouse/multiwan use, you would be better off using the business oriented switches, and hosting the controller somewhere. Also, Even though I have the UDMPro, I wouldn’t recommend people buy the one I have. The newer model with the Poe and the 2.5g ports is a much better buy.
@Zhundah
@Zhundah 2 года назад
Where are you hosting the Unifi Controller in enterprise situations?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kZjoBV6rfTA.html
@guocity
@guocity 11 месяцев назад
What can I dive into the traffic?
@jordanhutzler3361
@jordanhutzler3361 2 года назад
The SE is currently out of stock. Does anyone know if the SE will have a built in AP? or am I going to have to shell out for an AP right away regardless?
@saavagebueno
@saavagebueno Год назад
no built in AP
@secryt
@secryt 2 года назад
Hi Tom! Now that the Next-gen Gateway Pro is *finally* out of EA can you do a video on that?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
It still runs the same software so it still has the same shortcomings as mentioned in this video.
@DylanBogusz
@DylanBogusz 2 года назад
Any router recommendations for 1Gig+ WAN connections?
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Netgate 6100
@SeanHoulihane
@SeanHoulihane 2 месяца назад
So I can't connect to a VPN hosted in a different house without 2 of their super expensive gateways, unless I just use a R-Pi at the other end too?
@orional1977
@orional1977 2 года назад
Moving on. Was looking at the UDM. Registration is a deal breaker.....
@JasonsLabVideos
@JasonsLabVideos 2 года назад
Their switch's and AP's are ok. The firewalls are to far behind in features. Best to Install & use Pfsense or Untangle. IMO.
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS
@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 года назад
Yup
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