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Should You Go To Medical School or PA School? | Doctor VS Physician Associate 

Dr Ollie Burton
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Heads up, this might be a controversial one, but it's well intentioned. In this video we compare and contrast medl school and PA school - ultimately should you become a doctor or a physician associate? Both have their significant advantages and challenges, so let's compare and try to help you decide!
Note! This video concerns medical and physician associate training in the United Kingdom, most specifically England. If you're watching this from the US or another nation abroad, most of the particulars will likely not apply to you.
Timestamps:
00:00 Start
02:30 What are Doctors and PAs?
04:45 The Courses
09:45 Autonomy
11:20 Finances & Earning Potential
12:10 Training Pathways
15:00 Generalism & Specialism
17:30 The Rub
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Комментарии : 80   
@SWatson998
@SWatson998 2 года назад
Thank you for this clear, fair & informative video. Super super helpful!
@phoebehafiz96
@phoebehafiz96 3 года назад
This is such a great video! Thank you so much for such a balanced and articulate comparison of the two!!
@Maher_sza
@Maher_sza 2 года назад
YOUR VIDEOS ARE JUST AWESOME BROTHER. Much love
@bolajialli8226
@bolajialli8226 2 года назад
Never heard of physicians associate until today when I watched this video. Thanks Ollie for your articulate videos.
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 2 года назад
You're welcome Bolaji! It's an interesting career option for sure.
@matthewscott3755
@matthewscott3755 2 года назад
looking at applying to one of these after I graduate great insight and really helpful
@sashab1651
@sashab1651 2 года назад
Ollie - fantastic insight - I would be a mature student. My sons are at the GCSE / A level stage and it’s time for me to do my thing. I have a PhD in biochemistry and I’m currently a lecturer. I really think a clinical setting is the place for me - so thank you - this was a very balanced comparison of the 2 roles. The PA route would be better - I want to be out there in a clinical role ASAP. Keep up the excellent work.
@smithereensloccomotives678
@smithereensloccomotives678 2 года назад
Why not be a clinical/biomedical scientist
@scarred10
@scarred10 6 месяцев назад
​@@smithereensloccomotives678it's not dealing with patients.I am a PA but would prefer to be a doctor since you've a more defined and broader scope of practice, authority and far better training post grad level.The reason I'm not a doctor?I only started medicine at 48 yo so I couldnt afford the fees and lack of income for 4 yrs .Otherwise,definitely doctor,GP specifically.
@Kiran.Morjaria
@Kiran.Morjaria 3 года назад
Interesting comparison dude, I work with loads of PA’s in orthopaedics. Some that are really happy with the role, and a couple that are planning on applying to postgraduate medicine
@drzoeblofeld1657
@drzoeblofeld1657 3 года назад
Such an important question to ponder!
@igabeary
@igabeary 3 года назад
I have just dropped out of PA school to start Med school in September. For me, the PA teaching just wasn’t as in-depth as I wanted it to be. Also coming from icu nursing background, I found it irritating how as a PA you couldn’t administer/prescribe drugs (this will probably change in the years to come) and how there aren’t many PA’s in icu’s in general, which is where I ultimately would want to work one day.
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
Well done on making such a hard decision - hopefully med school will give you what you want and good luck for September!
@HungNguyen-se8dn
@HungNguyen-se8dn Год назад
PA (physician assistant) in the USA can prescribe medication but under the name of MD/DO who he/she works under.
@flaminmongrel6955
@flaminmongrel6955 Год назад
did you give an entrance exam for the Med school? and if so which one was it and how difficult would you say it was to quality?
@8ktv475
@8ktv475 10 месяцев назад
wow good on you!
@_____________5977
@_____________5977 11 месяцев назад
thanks so much for the video!! I was struggling to choose between doctor and PA for next year admission. Now I have made up my mind to be a PA. Hope I can come back to your video to comment proudly I have been admitted to the program in half a year time !!@
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 11 месяцев назад
Good luck!!
@theinsomniacmedic
@theinsomniacmedic 2 года назад
I choose to go back to study at medical school after graduating and practicing for 3 years as physiotherapist for the EXACT reasons you mentioned in this video: 1) Scope of practice limitations - in physiotherapy this relates to specialities areas as generally we only have respiratory, musculoskeletal, and neurology, also relates to independent prescribing over different areas and the ability to order imaging for example. 2) Decision making regarding overall patient care - although within the NHS we work in MDT teams, ultimately the majority of decisions (normally medical in nature) regarding patient care are generally dictated by the medical team, specifically the senior doctors; and the “sock draw” analogy hit this point on the head for me! Anyhow, learnt a lot about PA’s that I didn’t know before and I’ve worked with many so it was a helpful video 👍🙏
@ahmadbarakatwaley1832
@ahmadbarakatwaley1832 3 года назад
Good job....if you can define clinical pharmacist job description
@vicvic9792
@vicvic9792 2 года назад
Am a Clinical officer in Kenya east Africa equivalent of a PA, but i couldn't imagine being a CO for the rest of my life, now am almost finishing my MBChB (bachelor of medicine and bachelor of surgery degree) to be a Doctor....aiming for Cardiothoracic as my specialist.
@kodaknikonedgopro8862
@kodaknikonedgopro8862 2 года назад
Nice brathe kazi Safi also q clinician Mr Vic..chuo ni gani
@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro
@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro 2 года назад
Greetings from the U.S. I'm a subscriber and PA. I enjoyed watching this. Yes, it's "Associate" now, in the U.S. I've enjoyed the profession for more than 20 years. It's a two year graduate degree after earning a four year degree. Many people major in biology. U.S. universities are very expensive now. I wish you the best. I hope your channel grows EXPONENTIALLY.🙂👋🏽👨🏾‍⚕️
@Sasseybutclassy
@Sasseybutclassy 2 года назад
Fabulous comparison..My son started his PA course yesterday 10/09/21 at brighton headed by Karen Roberts Im sure you know who she is Ollie?he has worked so hard to get there and took a deep breath when the intensity of the the course to become a PA kicked in, but he is also very excited. I really do find it insulting when when failed med school students think the PA course is a fall back for them really grates on me. but i am proud mum who knows her son will do well.
@headforvbucks
@headforvbucks 2 года назад
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@debbieharris4468
@debbieharris4468 2 года назад
Summer
@axaelx7967
@axaelx7967 3 года назад
Hi there ollie, not sure if you have already made a video about this but if you haven't, could you go through what topics are within each year at your course? I've heard things such as physiology, anatomy, pharmacology but never seen any tangible examples of this in a medical school setting. thanks!
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
For sure, that's a great idea! We talk about these things all the time but then never drill down into them - will add it to the series I'm shooting at the moment!
@axaelx7967
@axaelx7967 3 года назад
@@OllieBurtonMed sweet! looking forward to it ollie!
@ameerasaad3200
@ameerasaad3200 3 года назад
Stunning 💚 Could you explain what does student in med school at 1st stage need to focus on ? All the best
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
For me, I would just advise getting your head down and embedding the core anatomy and physiology, without worrying too much about research/shadowing/side hustles etc - worry about all the extra stuff later and get good at the core knowledge for the first couple of years.
@flaminmongrel6955
@flaminmongrel6955 Год назад
in my country it's definitely Anatomy cause Physiology is easy to come by and mnemonics for Biochemistry.
@boxeriain
@boxeriain 5 месяцев назад
Ollie... You have helped me to get into medicine with your insights etc. i do have one question though, how do you reconcile that you are perhaps more invested in politics pertaining to your profession, rather than focusing on being the best doctor you can be? Loaded question, but i am sure many would agree with me that the premise of this is fair and i would be grateful for your response.. Iain
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 5 месяцев назад
Hi Iain, its an interesting question and it depends on how you define a couple of things - and what being the best doctor you can be means for you. In a clinical/academic sense, I'm in what is effectively the top job of its kind in the country for my specialty, for clin/academic development and very satisfied with it, although it's very, very hard work. I just finished a week of nights and am just now leaving work at 10pmish the following day, having stayed for research stuff. The further on you get (at least in my view) you realise how closely politics and medicine are intertwined in the UK, esp given our NHS structure. And so much of what affects patients is actually driven by politics rather than anything else. I'm genuinely not sure it's possible to remain apolitical or uninterested because we're just constantly treading water. Things need to change, and the way you get that is through politics.
@tommardel9792
@tommardel9792 Месяц назад
you would make a brilliant university lecturer
@user-gu1is3jx3w
@user-gu1is3jx3w Год назад
Do you think age would hold me back? I agonise about this all the time. I'm 50 and work making science documentaries BUT I have a Biological Sciences Degree from Oxford, and a PhD in Human Evolution from from Cambridge. I made extra money as a phlebotomist at University, also am a trained FREC5 and have been a shoot medic all over the world with cobbled together medical supplies. I'm also a practising CFR so have got my hands on plenty of patients. Medical school was not an option when I was at school- no one told me I could try more than once! My PhD funding fell through so I left University with huge debt (not like these days where it can be paid back over time) so I had to get a job ASAP. I joined an army training programme thinking they could help. This turned out not to be true. Everyone comes to me for help even though I AM NOT A DOCTOR! It's a vocation though. It's ALL I think about. Kids are old enough to finally give me chance. BUT is it a huge waste of time and money because of my age? Even though I still have over 20 years working ahead of me. Although I am a natural decision maker I think the PA course was designed just for me!
@ryanboudreau6694
@ryanboudreau6694 2 года назад
I didn’t realize how different U.S. PA’s differ from U.K. They’re far more restricted across the pond.
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 2 года назад
It's a shame that doctors and PAs get paid so little in the UK compared to other countries. PAs in the US are paid more than doctors in UK (~ $115,000 USD as of 2022) and they get many benefits. They can also prescribe medication. Hopefully the UK will let them prescribe in the upcoming future.
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 2 года назад
@@AKMarch01 And USA
@scarred10
@scarred10 6 месяцев назад
Doctors in a few yrs post grad earn much more than PAs and finish at triple the salary pr more as a consultant.
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 6 месяцев назад
@@scarred10 I’m comparing salaries of UK doctors to US PAs. Are we on the same page here?
@scarred10
@scarred10 6 месяцев назад
@@LorianandLothric so am I and doctors at senior level still get paid way more than US PAs.Its anout 200,000 sterling in UK at consultant level,more in private sector.The US PA gets about 80,000 sterling in dollars.
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 6 месяцев назад
@@scarred10 Where are you getting your numbers? Google search reveals that it’s nowhere near 200K. The BMA reports senior consultants make about 100K pounds on average. Even the ones with 7-8 years of experience. The number for US PAs is off as well. BLS reports $126K and that’s from 2022.
@randomoviekids
@randomoviekids 2 года назад
What are the differences in working hours?
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 2 года назад
I think it varies by centre but I'm not 100% sure - I believe PAs tend to do 38-40hr/week contracts with no nights or on calls but I'm very happy to be corrected if someone knows otherwise
@abimottram9091
@abimottram9091 Год назад
I’m literally starting Msc PA at UCLAN tomorrow, I’m low-key stressed because they literally call the weeks ‘bootcamp’ on the timetable, and it’s 9-5! so if anyone has any tips to manage stress and the course, let me know ✨💕
@shahriarkhan1146
@shahriarkhan1146 Год назад
Can a foreign medical student with a MBBS degree become a PA in UK?
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed Год назад
I'm not honestly sure - anyone with a UK MBBS cannot either study as a PA or work as a PA. Unfortunately I don't know for IMGs with MBBS
@mariamahmed5170
@mariamahmed5170 Год назад
Can I apply for pa school with MBBS degree?
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed Год назад
Not in the UK. MBBS disqualifies you from even applying for PA school.
@LordMarvin1993
@LordMarvin1993 2 года назад
nice monitor :)
@polar5273
@polar5273 3 года назад
A lot of people don't have 'A' level grades to do Medicine so do PA course, so why was it not mentioned?
@suki8661
@suki8661 3 года назад
that is an extremely ignorant statement. it wasn't mentioned because it's not entirely true. it maybe the case for some PA students but you are generalising a bit much. there are PA students who rejected med school to go to PA school because there is a lot to life than having the title of a doctor and people have different priorities in life. sorry bro but doing nights, doing on-calls, rotating every few months and long arduous training is not everyone's cuppa tea. sorry no disrespect to doctors (you guys are amazing!) but it is what it is. you need to understand and accept that PHYSICIAN ASSOCIATE is a respectable profession in its own right, it has its own pros and cons and depending on your life priorities and what you want to get out of it you may or may not decide to go to PA school. its all depends on your priorities and what you value in life and not solely on your Alevel grades. and BTW a lot of people who really want to do medicine but didn't get the "A level" grades do go to other European countries to study medicine (and not PA school FYI) and come back home as DRs to practice medicine. so you need to stop judging and over generalising, and understand it's all about priorities. peace x bottom line: people go to PA school because they want to be PAs and like the perks of being a PA, A level grades is not the sole determining factor as you have ignorantly come to believe @sam smith
@Dee-oq5ms
@Dee-oq5ms 3 года назад
You need good grades for PA schooling as well, lol.
@getintoits2786
@getintoits2786 2 года назад
That is not true people do not do this for this reason. At the end of that day if u become a PA because u didn’t get the grades to be a doctor you will never be happy with your role, a lot of people have the grades however they prefer the work/life balance in being a PA
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 2 года назад
PA students were also 'A' level grade students. The average GPA to get into PA school is 3.6 in the U.S, and the acceptance rate is about 2%
@h.s8265
@h.s8265 3 года назад
Well isn’t PA school medical school for example UCLAN teaches there physician associates alongside the doctors in medical school.
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
There will absolutely be substantial overlap, especially for the core materials, but it's incredibly unlikely that the two are the same (as the two courses will have different curriculum requirements). The reason I deliberately avoid the term medical school for PAs (or use PA school instead) is that it can be confusing if said to patients, who need to understand exactly who they are seeing and why.
@h.s8265
@h.s8265 3 года назад
@@OllieBurtonMed thanks for the reply, I’m starting PA school in September as undergrad and see if I enjoy it, as it would be my first degree it’s four years of training in school. If I enjoy it I can go onto specialising into a particular field or I can apply for my second postgraduate degree into medicine.
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
@@h.s8265 No problem at all! And very best with the undergrad PA course, I know they're pretty uncommon so great job getting onto one. See what happens and enjoy the course - never know what doors may open!
@xXAnni3LuvsYhuXx
@xXAnni3LuvsYhuXx 2 года назад
I kinda feel like it’s just another role to fill in the gap for people who wanted to do medicine and be doctors but got rejected. 🥴
@naghmashaheen4288
@naghmashaheen4288 2 года назад
That's highly ignorant, as well as disrespectful. Like many people have mentioned not everyone wants to be a doctor, and some of us genuinely want to be a PA, so get off your high horse maybe and educate yourself. Thank you.
@getintoits2786
@getintoits2786 2 года назад
Not everyone wants to be a doctor, a lot of people get the grades however prefer the work/ life balance as a PA
@fa9183
@fa9183 2 года назад
I dropped out of med school to be a PA
@LorianandLothric
@LorianandLothric 2 года назад
PA school is very competitive. In the US, the average GPA to get in to PA school is 3.6. The average for med schools is similar at 3.7. On top of that, you need 2,500 hours of patient care experience to be average when applying to PA school. Furthermore, the average acceptance rate is about 2%
@youtube.channel7616
@youtube.channel7616 2 года назад
@@fa9183 Hey FA! Which PA undergrad school in the UK did you transfer to?
@dombarton2483
@dombarton2483 3 года назад
In Australia, Nurse Practitioners can work independently and can also prescribe medication independently. Very different to PAs in UK and USA. I really dislike using the term..doctor..for physicians...GPs and alike. They are not real Doctors. Everyone assumes that a doctor..is someone who heals people when in fact the total opposite is true. A Phd ... Doctor of Medicine MD or Doctor of Science DS...etc are the REAL DOCTORS in our society. Those that graduate from medical school are given honorary titles!!! In Australia...optometrists can officially call themselves Doctors as can Vets and Dentists. Its crazy and wrong!!. Medical graduates in Australia more recently are completing a MD..doctor of medicine ( again its a phoney title because its really equivalent to a masters degree level 9) the universities of the day changed it for financial reasons because they then could charge domestic students FULL fees. A real Dmed is an AQF level 10 degree...which is even higher than a Phd. You see..the term doctor used globally is for the most part a phoney title which has very little meaning....as you can be either a dentist...optometrist...GP...or a vet???? Stupid. The answer is simple. Do away with that title altogether for those professions unless they actually earn it outright and do the proper research and coursework like everyone else has to do!!!!
@mohammedsiddiqui7872
@mohammedsiddiqui7872 3 года назад
Hey, I totally agree. But you forgot pharmacists, they're doctors too.
@dombarton2483
@dombarton2483 3 года назад
@@mohammedsiddiqui7872 pharmacists...in Australia are not called doctors unless they have a Phd or higher against their name...yet an optometrist is given that honorary title. Its all so illogical and stupid.
@mohammedsiddiqui7872
@mohammedsiddiqui7872 3 года назад
@@dombarton2483 Where I live, there's a programme called PharmD (Doctor of Pharmacy) and pharmacists too are given the honorary title.
@dombarton2483
@dombarton2483 3 года назад
@@mohammedsiddiqui7872 yes very true...it should only be given to those that have truly earned it
@OllieBurtonMed
@OllieBurtonMed 3 года назад
To be fair I think a lot of doctors in the UK think similarly. I absolutely wouldn't mind using the term physician instead of 'doctor', or the lack of the honorary doctor title. I equally don't think it makes a huge difference for patient care, and it's unlikely to change any time soon.
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