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Should you update your GPU drivers? 

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@alcatrazzle
@alcatrazzle 7 месяцев назад
Agree that dry paste/dust would have an effect, but I’d argue that most people who are experiencing a slowdown of performance over time would be due to bloatware/background processes on their PC. I know so many people who have systems that haven’t been formatted in years, and would have so much crap running in the background… maybe a video on how to clean up an old windows install could be the culmination of this series?
@happalula
@happalula 7 месяцев назад
that would be great! a guide on how to detect lots of unneeded files could really help a lot of people!
@OneShotCS
@OneShotCS 7 месяцев назад
Easy. I like using CTT's WinUtil for both MicroWin (can make a custom debloated windows iso) and its other features (downloading apps, windows optimizations, etc). For deleting unnecessary files I use revouninstaller (as both an app unistaller and junk file cleaner). It does a good job.
@LautaroQ2812
@LautaroQ2812 7 месяцев назад
Sometimes the slowdown is just because the hardware isn't capable enough. Not even bloatware anymore. It's like the apps on the phone. Over the period of some years, Instagram went from being 400mb to 1gb or more, making your phone feel "slow" and "small" in regards to storage or RAM amount. I have an RX580. Used to have a 1366x768 monitor for more than a decade. It ran fine. But when it broke and had to buy this one (1080p) the struggle was real. Even if I clean it up and re-paste it it's still the same. I'm still trying to figure out which is the right "in tier" replacement for this card. I've been thinking about a 6600 non XT or something along those lines depending on price. But you clearly see the GPU struggle. My CPU is a 2600 so also very old and not high end, but for my usage and if I could get a better cooler for it for some OC it'll be fine.
@fajaradi1223
@fajaradi1223 7 месяцев назад
​@@LautaroQ2812 I went from RX470 to RX6600 about a year ago. It's a decent GPU for 1080p. IIRC, it's only run on 8x PCIe lanes. So, there are some performance lost on PCIe gen3.
@SoulTouchMusic93
@SoulTouchMusic93 7 месяцев назад
there's an idea, control panel, uninstall a program and go through the list and start taking names down.
@BlastFM
@BlastFM 7 месяцев назад
> old GPU > 3070 Is my 1050Ti a fossil then?
@0852657luis
@0852657luis 7 месяцев назад
It seems so, I have a 1060 with a ivy bridge cpu and it's really showing its age. I want to build another pc but I'll have to spend almost 2 grand to make a another pc that'll last another 10 years.😭
@ferdgerbeler8494
@ferdgerbeler8494 7 месяцев назад
not just old... 'very very very old' ... as he kept saying.. lol .. all the way in the Paleozoic era of 2021
@Xathos
@Xathos 7 месяцев назад
Yes. You're talking something released in 2016 - 8 years ago. You think phones, from around that time, will hold up much to today's standard?
@Nothuman76
@Nothuman76 7 месяцев назад
My daughter is still rocking the 1050ti, i did however upgrade her platform to 8th Gen i5 from a 2nd Gen i5. It blasts through Roblox, Minecraft, and some sort of "Toon World" game she plays. Even better with the platform upgrade.
@POVwithRC
@POVwithRC 7 месяцев назад
Yes, it absolutely is.
@henryjhost
@henryjhost 7 месяцев назад
It probably won't make a huge difference, but there are older drivers available for the 3070 for Windows 10. Version 465.89 from March 30, 2021 is the oldest still available for download. I'm assuming this is because Windows 11 officially released almost a year after the 3070, in October 2021.
@queegfivehundred8197
@queegfivehundred8197 7 месяцев назад
Yep, and even that version was released four months after the RTX 3070... 457.09 was the 3070 launch driver and these are still available on the Nvidia website, although you have to specifically search for it through a google search.
@JamieStuff
@JamieStuff 7 месяцев назад
Then he'd have to re-run all the tests on the Windows 10 machine. While the drivers will probably work on Windows 11, you can't be sure if any difference is due to changes internal to Windows.
@LautaroQ2812
@LautaroQ2812 7 месяцев назад
March to October is not a year. March 2021 to March 2022 is a year. That is 5 months apart difference for an "almost". So it's not "almost a year" either. I know this is completely irrelevant, just irked me haha.
@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU
@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU 7 месяцев назад
Golden rule.. only update every 2-3 years or when some game or software doesnt launch, other than that, dont waste a second on it
@andrewvirtue5048
@andrewvirtue5048 7 месяцев назад
Jay is a Windows fanboi 🤢
@HartenDylan
@HartenDylan 7 месяцев назад
Hey Jay! I just wanted to say that I appreciate these videos about saving money with PC parts. Driver updates, re-pasting GPUs, real world ram speed tests, all things with the intention of how to get the best out of our stuff without forking out cash if we don't need to. Would be interested to see more videos like this! I was wondering how much would replacing stock case fans with Noctua/BeQuiet fans effect temps/performance per dollar.
@kalmtraveler
@kalmtraveler 7 месяцев назад
If I still had any older hardware I think that would be more useful to test this theory instead of just 1 generation back. I'd be curious to see if the results with something older like a 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti were any different.
@HeadphoneHangover
@HeadphoneHangover 7 месяцев назад
Yes, the results are always similar. ALWAYS. Just update to the latest driver, unless the very latest driver has a bug that is causing an issue, then revert 1 or 2 drivers. Never ever use 1, 2, or 3-year-old drivers, there are 0 benefits and just increased security risk threats.
@kalmtraveler
@kalmtraveler 7 месяцев назад
@@HeadphoneHangover Thanks - kind of missed the point however. The objective here was to show with evidence that newer drivers as a rule don't reduce performance on older graphics cards. "Trust me, bro" isn't evidence and per my original post I would personally have liked to have seen this evidence from a graphics card more than only 1 generation old as stated. Let's get a 1080 Ti and compare it's launch driver performance with the latest available driver in games that it could generally run well - this provides a much longer time window than a 3000-series card, and thus in theory could 'show' a forced-obsolescence example if there were one likely more than with a much newer card.
@chillhour6155
@chillhour6155 7 месяцев назад
​@@HeadphoneHangoverfalse
@lussor1
@lussor1 6 месяцев назад
​There is proof, old drivers caused decrease a lot of FPS in cards like 750 ti​@@HeadphoneHangover
@rougeneon1997
@rougeneon1997 6 месяцев назад
I have a 1080ti and USUALLY keep its driver up to date. Sometimes Ill revert a few months back if Fortnite isnt liking it. AGREED. I was expecting an older series card here than what was used...
@DragoNate
@DragoNate 7 месяцев назад
"No product is designed to last forever" isn't a valid argument for planned obsolescence. It's when products are intentionally designed to last only a short period of time or caused to reach end of life prematurely. No, some bugs or issues with a software update is not planned obsolescence. If said update bricks your device or causes it to irreparably function worse and the company doesn't admit wrongdoing or do anything to fix their "mistake" THEN yes, it is. It is also pretty telling that old things were 100% built differently and built to last much longer than they are now. New printers go kaput in a couple years while some old printers in offices and whatnot are STILL going with the only maintenance required being a bit of a kick if it starts complaining a bit.
@G0ldmoon
@G0ldmoon 7 месяцев назад
this is the VIdeo I have been wanting for so long, see benchmarks of a GPU over its lifetime.
@RagedmeeksGaming
@RagedmeeksGaming 7 месяцев назад
I always wait a week or two before going to the latest nVidia drivers. Sometimes the latest releases have some undesirable effects so I just read user feedback before installation.
@ghostdragon2593
@ghostdragon2593 7 месяцев назад
Problem with user feedback on Nvidia drivers is every new update has people complaining about issues especially on Nvidia forums.
@earthtaurus5515
@earthtaurus5515 7 месяцев назад
@@ghostdragon2593Some of it is usually down to people not uninstalling older drivers before installing new drivers / updates.
@ResurrectorRTX
@ResurrectorRTX 7 месяцев назад
​@@earthtaurus5515I usually never uninstall previous drivers before installing new ones and never ran into an issue so far. And I've been doing so for years and years. I think it all comes down to the general outer and inner maintenance of your system like keeping it tidy and clean (both the hardware and the Windows installation) 😊
@helenHTID
@helenHTID 6 месяцев назад
And driver related issues could be individual or certain users for whatever reasons, As we know nothing is based in the PC world. If it's a widespread issue and 100% the driver no matter machine, Then that's when you take notice. Otherwise, Just update.. If you do get problem then go back. I think in the last 5 years of Nvidia driver updates I've had 2 or 3 major bugs that needed to be sorted in a new driver, Other than that every update on my systems have worked as should. I read many complaints about certain drivers, Even in certain games that I play, But that never happened for me.
@weeb_hunter
@weeb_hunter Месяц назад
@@ghostdragon2593 He is not wrong though. You just have to take a bit of self reasonability and separate what you know is just random bullshit and then people listing actual real bugs. For example there was a driver not too long ago that fully broke halo infinite to make it crash on start up. Literally 100% unplayable on that driver. I also read the feedback like OP and because I saw that reported and I confirmed it I made sure not to update to that specific driver. It just requires doing a tiny bit of what people in 2024 hate doing the most. Taking self responsibility for something that they can say is "not their fault and should just work" Apart from that just blindly update every driver without researching and if you notice a bug just ddu back to previous driver takes about 4 minutes with ddu already installed. I have never seen any real argument to not keep up to date on bug free drivers though. Also like the guy in the video said. Many new games will just flat out not run unless you get the game ready driver for it.
@RealShimSham
@RealShimSham 7 месяцев назад
A 3 year old is not nearly old enough to drive, and that's a fact.
@IntelArcTesting
@IntelArcTesting 7 месяцев назад
For Intel Arc you definitely should
@CHRIZZ83
@CHRIZZ83 7 месяцев назад
Congrats on 4 million subscribers!
@71janas
@71janas 7 месяцев назад
Are you planning to do the same for AMD card users??
@CreeVal
@CreeVal 7 месяцев назад
Next week... Maybe?
@blueline308
@blueline308 7 месяцев назад
All 200 of you?
@connormoorerocks
@connormoorerocks 7 месяцев назад
​@@blueline308you bought an RTX badge when there were no games supporting RTX. noone is listening to you bro
@GentlyUsedFrog
@GentlyUsedFrog 7 месяцев назад
@@blueline308Found the clueless nvidia shill
@kh_trendy
@kh_trendy 7 месяцев назад
I'd imagine, AMD drivers have a bit of history of aging like fine wine. Intel is definitely the biggest culprit nowadays, but they haven't had years in driver development.
@championCynthia2348
@championCynthia2348 7 месяцев назад
One of my friends has a 1650 (iirc), and when he played elden ring he had a lot of lighting glitches around water, causing him to dub one cave "the rave cave" We realized he was still using the stock driver, so installing GeForce experience (and the latest driver) fixed it and boosted his 1% by a decent amount. YES, UPDATING YOUR DRIVERS ARE IMPORTANT, but you can likely live without updating for a month or two!
@shiro3146
@shiro3146 7 месяцев назад
i just dont update my drivers until i experienced weird things
@pavook
@pavook 6 месяцев назад
Not really that important in some cases. You can live without updating for a year easily. If you have 5 year old card, you are likely not getting anything out of the new driver anyway.
@AnEternalEnigma
@AnEternalEnigma 7 месяцев назад
The only time I ever downloaded any "bad" drivers was shortly after DOOM Eternal came out. NVIDIA put out an update that did something very bad to Eternal and I had to roll it back. Other than that, I stay updated with zero problems.
@Knightmare-vc8qg
@Knightmare-vc8qg 7 месяцев назад
I had something similar with Batman Arkham Knight where a driver update was messing up the graphics (this was years after the game's release too) so I had to downgrade. I remember sending a bug report or something and Nvidia thankfully did fix the issue a few updates later.
@sebastiancray1709
@sebastiancray1709 Месяц назад
@@Knightmare-vc8qg Lol Was about to post on the exact same issue, and checked other comments first! Had been avoiding gpu driver update because of Arkham Knight becoming unplayable after updating, had to roll it back. Nice to know it's been fixed, might reconsider about the whole update thing.
@Finduh
@Finduh 7 месяцев назад
i have severe OCD and i can't help myself but install the "new stuff" to "keep my PC updated" i haven't ever noticed any performance loss
@DragoNate
@DragoNate 7 месяцев назад
I'm usually just too lazy to go through the update process if I don't have to and don't wanna spend the time to do so. Plus, the times I DO update always seem to have some sort of a problem which just results in me trying to figure out how to solve it, not finding anything, spending what feels like 7 hours being angry and frustrated and resorting to begrudgingly ignoring it or something. Just bad luck. Or punishment for not updating to every new thing lol
@tired_moonwave
@tired_moonwave 7 месяцев назад
Already have the new NVIDIA Beta App 🤣 I'm always checking for updates for windows, MS Store, Steam, Google Play, GPU/CPU/MOBO drivers, etc. ofc sometimes I get broken updates and gotta revert back but it keeps my mind at ease being up to date lmao.
@user-op8fg3ny3j
@user-op8fg3ny3j 7 месяцев назад
Is that what OCD is? I have the same habit as you + can't stand anything on the desktop or when my monitors aren't aligned. But I always thought OCD is like when you aren't satisfied your hands are clean enough
@steffithemad8327
@steffithemad8327 7 месяцев назад
​@user-op8fg3ny3j It's much more insidious than that, it's what you mentioned and for example you lock up your house and car for the evening but keep going back to check ever single lock, unlock them and relock them several times over the next few hours... I used to do dumb crap like that but thankfully no longer, used to drive me crazy.
@juipeltje
@juipeltje 7 месяцев назад
​@@user-op8fg3ny3jocd is an actual anxiety disorder. I went to therapy for it and still struggle with it. So OP is probably using the term in a quirky way, unless he actually feels anxious and it consumes him. It can be about hygiene related things, but also where you constantly keep checking on things, or you have intrusive thoughts, worried that you might harm someone. It varies per person.
@joog79
@joog79 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for this. The only thing about planned absolesence is in my eyes is the hardware and not software. But that's besides the point of this vid. Good that you pointed it out.
@cronos4267
@cronos4267 7 месяцев назад
I think replacing thermal paste every couple of years on both cpu and gpu is a must to keep temps as low as possible which will reduce thermal throttling and increase performance.
@ryanpilotte1640
@ryanpilotte1640 7 месяцев назад
Really glad you brought the hardware age into this discussion, I was actually writing a post about that being part of the problem while listening to you and had to delete it... This is probably something that most people don't think about. That and if you are going to complain that the problem is a driver (or some other change) if you didn't test immediately before and after the change and under the same conditions for both tests.
@ComputingCactus
@ComputingCactus 7 месяцев назад
Was an AMD driver a few months ago that caused a bit of hitching in darktide, fixed it with the next driver release. I always tend to stay one version behind in case of misbehaving. Intel's GPUs are a great example of drivers improving performance over time.
@N3v3r_S3ttl3
@N3v3r_S3ttl3 7 месяцев назад
I do the same with Nvidia drivers and Window updates. First search online for reviews from early adapters. I download it when I don't read any issues or skip and wait for the next version to fix the bug.
@firstname565
@firstname565 7 месяцев назад
For Atoma!
@chestbuster1987
@chestbuster1987 7 месяцев назад
Given how much space drivers take up and how buggy GeForce Experience is in installing new drivers, I've literally been thinking about this topic for weeks! Thanks, Jay!
@contiplays
@contiplays 7 месяцев назад
I have 3070 laptop and did a few tests with drivers and it rly did get around 4-6 more fps in some cases. I think the last one was Alan Wake 2
@LISTEDGames
@LISTEDGames 7 месяцев назад
I don't have a driver license :(
@couryswan2448
@couryswan2448 7 месяцев назад
Lolz.. good one
@wahipple
@wahipple 7 месяцев назад
The biggest thing I noticed when updating from a release driver to a recent one is less hitching or that frame rate drop when moving from a small room to a big open area not so noticeable with the video cards now but back in the days with crossfire and sli you could see the difference with the newer driver more so with even number of cards like 2 and 4 but running 1 or 3 cards that low dip was less more so with 3 cards. But for me nowadays I do updates when they come out if the game running fine and I am happy I just do the update after my gaming session
@G4m3m4st0r
@G4m3m4st0r 7 месяцев назад
Also, in some cases, like Battlefield 3 where every game update required new drivers, it sometimes could be worked around by renaming nvapi64.dll in the system32 folder so the game is unable to detect the driver version and launch anyway. But in other cases not renaming it back to it's original name will cause trouble with games like GTA V. 🙂
@Kiyuja
@Kiyuja 7 месяцев назад
I remember some months ago there was an Nvidia driver boosting Vulkan performance by almost 10%. 5-7 on average and that was the difference between unstable and locked FPS on an emulator I was running. Update your drivers bois, it help more than just the recent titles.
@Cinkodacs
@Cinkodacs 7 месяцев назад
Or might break stuff. Update, but make sure to keep a copy of the previous driver in case things break (just "recently" I had an experience like that with Cyberpunk2077).
@TurboLoveTrain
@TurboLoveTrain 7 месяцев назад
​@@Cinkodacs Cyberpunk2077 is the worst written game with the shittiest optimization released by a AAA title since pokemon.
@kampa373
@kampa373 7 месяцев назад
​@@TurboLoveTrain nope, there are many poor optimization AAA game recently year, and yes cyberpunk is not the best but definitely belongs to the ''okay' category
@TurboLoveTrain
@TurboLoveTrain 7 месяцев назад
@@kampa373 I'm talking about code optimization. It was one of (if not the) most expensive games to bring to market--its the cybertruck of the gaming industry: All hype and shiny but it dogshit for actual truck tasks. So no, it's only "okay" for people that have no clue what "good" actually looks like.
@14DEADSOUL
@14DEADSOUL 7 месяцев назад
Important to note that, for gaming older titles at least, it can really depend. I had to use a driver from 10+ years ago to get AC Black Flag to run, it just wouldn't start with newer drivers. Very awkward.
@hbhamilton3
@hbhamilton3 7 месяцев назад
I've never felt like they slow them down on purpose. Thanks for helping to prove it.
@BouncingZeus
@BouncingZeus 7 месяцев назад
Well Apple does or did, which is why people believe it is more common that it is.
@TetraSky
@TetraSky 7 месяцев назад
@@BouncingZeus they did still. They were doing it in the background without telling anyone until one day they slipped up and admitted to it. It had been a rumor for a long time before that. There was zero documentation on it anywhere. But now you have the options to toggle it off. After they received a lot of backlash and a few class action lawsuit.
@kitnoman
@kitnoman 7 месяцев назад
If I remember correctly, the issue was not that they were slowing it down. I think it's that Nvidia isn't optimizing the older cards(actually the 10 series, like 1080 and 1080ti) to new titles. I for got where, but I believe that there were reviews that compared a 1080, 1080ti and 2060 and 2060s cards. So hardware spec wise, with raw power 1080/ti should win. what they found was that 1080/ti was still winning on older games, but in new titles, even on games that does not use rtx features, it would still lose vs 2060/s cards.
@pippifpv
@pippifpv 7 месяцев назад
I dont know if it is on purpose, but just updated the driver prior to Jay releasing the other video. And I was actually wondering why i went from 82'ish to 74ish fps in red dead 2. I will now change back to an older driver to see if it will go back to the higher performance. Maybe it is a bug only affecting some gfx. Mine is a rtx4060 Laptop
@earthtaurus5515
@earthtaurus5515 7 месяцев назад
@@howneatisthatThat's alot of bull and you know it. With every update Software should be more optimised not less and Iphone's are a massive money maker for Apple. So of course they want people to upgrade and not use the same iphone for longer. Apple wants people to be upgrading every year as after all it's all about the money.
@pyroslev
@pyroslev 7 месяцев назад
I'd really love to see this done with AMD cards.
@monamimani
@monamimani 7 месяцев назад
I would be interested in seeing an old cpu or like entry level cpu (intel XX 600K) when the card launch with original drivers and latest drivers. My guess is all of this is that newer drivers have a bigger impact on cpus than older driver. For example they could have optimized for AVX512 but your entry level doesn't have it. (just a for instance thing)
@bogartwilley
@bogartwilley 7 месяцев назад
Jay: no product is designed to last forever Rosewill Thor V2 case: am I a joke to you!?!
@ReDHaWko
@ReDHaWko 6 месяцев назад
do other cases disappear in a cloud of rust?
@EASYUSA
@EASYUSA 5 месяцев назад
This comment section is full of 10 years old "adults" and negativity...geeesss...
@NvyZero
@NvyZero 6 месяцев назад
My insignificant 2 cents lmao I don't think people forget I think they are afraid, something is gonna break, after the hard work they put into personalizing their performance. Restore points are the bees knees. Thanks for the vids! I appreciate the way you present information.
@ethanvalentine4299
@ethanvalentine4299 7 месяцев назад
You don't really need to plan obsolescence for a product that will by its nature become obsolete. electronics and technology in general is something that is constantly improving which makes the older devices irrelevant without the need for intervention. Planned obsolescence is still there but not in high end products its more like the budget tvs that break as soon as the 1 yr warranty expires or cheap mice/keyboards. Maybe in some of the lesser known manufactures for graphics cards but when the chips and drivers all come from one of 3 companies who get paid plenty for producing the chips everyone needs in the cards the things that would seem more like planned obsolescence would be poorly made boards maybe cheap caps or VRMs premature failure not underperformance.
@crrodriguez
@crrodriguez 7 месяцев назад
You still should update, there is a massive amount of security holes in drivers and you are one sandbox escape away from getting owned by a rougue site. Fortunately MS is blacklisting known exploitable drivers and forcing updates to keep things sane.
@SupertoastGT
@SupertoastGT 7 месяцев назад
I only update if I need to. If things aren't broken, I don't fix them. If a new game comes out and actually has issues, then I'll consider updating.
@iamspencerx
@iamspencerx 7 месяцев назад
I stuck to an old driver because the newer one used to make Firefox crash sometimes on my 1050 if using hardware acceleration
@buzzaard7036
@buzzaard7036 7 месяцев назад
I am a lot older than Jay and I realize his target audience is younger than he is and I agree that the best performance is by re-applying paste to you GPU and CPU, but in my experience this only applies to new titles and for about 3 updates, after that I find I get more lag and lower performance when playing older titles after 3 to 5 driver updates. I have actually started not updating drivers on my older PC that I play older tittles on and only play the newest titles on my newer PC's with newer drivers. My rule is anything older than 3 years old that hasn't had updates I keep on my older PC and I do not update the drivers.
@jake152
@jake152 7 месяцев назад
Ya it's just too many trolls thinking companies are out to get them.
@Motion_God
@Motion_God 7 месяцев назад
yup with their tin foil hats on
@Hoigwai
@Hoigwai 7 месяцев назад
Barring a failure I usually wait 7-10 days to update drivers just to give some shake out of bugs.
@danielpindell1267
@danielpindell1267 7 месяцев назад
To be fair, Nvidia drivers are usually pretty solid and updates don't always give an increase to performance. DLSS 3.5 for all RTX cards was a suprise and greatly appreciated that added some features for older RTX cards. Its still good that nvidia is goving support for cards from 6 years ago.
@Superagent666
@Superagent666 7 месяцев назад
Honestly, the real planned obsolescence is probably these GPU companies investing into certain games (Nvidia wirh Cyberpunk, for example) and then heavily marketing the game's performance uplift with the newer cards.
@09RHYS
@09RHYS 7 месяцев назад
It would be really awesome if you could do the same for a 2080, 1080 & 980 to see if any of the older generations are affected. I know it's quite a bit of work but it would really solidify your point 10 fold!
@stormrider01
@stormrider01 7 месяцев назад
NVIDIA doesn’t need to slow old GPUs down. They know that people will buy the newer one anyway. And one driver is for a lot of cards so slowing down a driver would slow every single gpu equally. So therefore Nvidia wants to improve every new driver that comes out to make their newest GPUs faster to be better than the competitors like AMD. The sight effect is that older GPUs also see this performance gain.
@RedAntisocial
@RedAntisocial 7 месяцев назад
Now you have to do a bios update performance video 😊
@justatim8143
@justatim8143 7 месяцев назад
I like the Cable Mod 90 degree cables that they have but not a fan of Companies that solder their connectors to the GPU to be different then others and they should all have a standard to connect the 90 degree cable either A or B to go down below the GPU and if you want over the top of the GPU you just but the other connector. Keep the A and B but make 1 over the GPU and the other down under the GPU.
@JamieStuff
@JamieStuff 7 месяцев назад
It would be interesting to compare the Intel Arc launch driver against the final pre-Battlemage driver, when it comes out. Jut to see how far Intel has come.
@dawbra
@dawbra 7 месяцев назад
Best thing to do is just read patchnotes for drivers like amd do , to known if you have specific gpu and it can have some issues/bugs
@dougs8196
@dougs8196 7 месяцев назад
Definitely need to look back more than just the previous generation. Nvidia has no intensive to test 1080 on their new drivers so at level I think you could see driver issues.
@Zrksys
@Zrksys 7 месяцев назад
Why dont u include 1% lows? Why not go to the 20 series or even 10 series since some of them are well capable of handling 1080p which is still widely used in the world for some reason?
@sloreo8278
@sloreo8278 7 месяцев назад
I have 0 experience with desktops but for laptops there are a few games (and benchmarks) where you will get better performance going back to the 529 driver because they locked the power slider in Afterburner after 530. That has largely been overcome now but for a few months it was better to hold off.
@miinyoo
@miinyoo 7 месяцев назад
DDU really is a good tool. If you're on a TV and no monitor, without drivers, your TV might default to overscan so it'll cut off 5% of your screen on each side. Make sure you put the icon to install your new drivers somewhere in the middle of your desktop so you can actually click it to install before you DDU delete your drivers on Windows 10. Not sure how Windows 11 behaves with no drivers and only a TV.
@UltimateDIY
@UltimateDIY 7 месяцев назад
I relized yesterday that I was using drivers from 2020. Safe to say I was missing out on some new hardware accelerated functions.
@ryanwestfall5385
@ryanwestfall5385 7 месяцев назад
I think if you add std deviation to the graph would help understanding the line of what is and what is not in the margin or error
@Grouwdi
@Grouwdi 7 месяцев назад
"And Leon is getting Larrrrger!" (Airplane joke) - yet these drivers get bigger but nothing is really improving. I say it's more hidden software to datamine us
@NIGHTSTALKER0069
@NIGHTSTALKER0069 7 месяцев назад
I would think security would be another reason to update.
@hquest
@hquest 7 месяцев назад
All the kids talking about "old" driver version 4xx.xx from the 3070 cards, and I still have in a folder the 2003 DetonatorFX nVidia driver 45.23 from my GeForce2 GTS2...
@EB01
@EB01 7 месяцев назад
The 0.1% and 1% low frame rate numbers, if they were logged and then included in the graphs, for all of the game benchmarks, could have shown substantial improvements in some games.
@firstname565
@firstname565 7 месяцев назад
And very much could've been the noticeable changes.
@jesseslack2089
@jesseslack2089 7 месяцев назад
I'm and under the full belief that if if something works "Now" when I got it, installed, whatever, then I don't need to update it cause it already works!
@classicgmr
@classicgmr 7 месяцев назад
@JayzTwoCents I doubt you will see this comment but at timestamp 4:50 you have the incorrect driver at the top of your list and yet you called it the most recent driver. 3-D Mark Time Spy Extreme chart. This particular slide needs to be revisited for your data. Love everything you do for the community!
@TheGeneReyva
@TheGeneReyva 7 месяцев назад
Time before last I updated my GPU drivers, I was no longer able to interact with the taskbar, task manager and the tops of windows with clicks. I only update when I genuinely need to.
@thedutchfisherman7078
@thedutchfisherman7078 7 месяцев назад
I only update gpu drivers when I play a game that is newer then my installed drivers. Or when I have issues. Never had any problems on whatever with this approach.
@GloriousKev
@GloriousKev 7 месяцев назад
I'd love to see this for Radeon gpus. Everyone talks about the fine wine. Does the fine wine help out on say a 5700 XT in 2024?
@decree5413
@decree5413 7 месяцев назад
Just for Funsies, I would love to see this same test done with AMD drivers. I often see people say that AMD drivers are bad and rarely improve. Regardless, thanks for doing videos like this, I find this stuff fascinating.
@earthtaurus5515
@earthtaurus5515 7 месяцев назад
That's because 1)Trolls and 2)People don't remove older drivers using DDU in safemode for example before installing new drivers / updates. Also some games do need driver specific updates due to poor optimisation and poor coding. For example Hell Divers 2, the game would cause crashes due to it not handling certain calls correctly causing driver timeouts. After a Game specific driver update, no more crashes.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 7 месяцев назад
"I often see people say that AMD drivers are bad and rarely improve." I have only seen that often the AMD drivers take a long time to mature with new products, but that was several generations back were this was a real problem.
@KonglomeratYT
@KonglomeratYT 6 месяцев назад
The only individuals I've seen say such illogical things are fanboys that would rather pledge allegiance to a single megacorporation than look for whatever the relative best deal is at the time.
@Kasper0822
@Kasper0822 7 месяцев назад
I was pretty sure that my 970 was already useless when trying to run farcry 5. Updated the driver just in case and the game ran fine. The game was tedious though..
@3Faidonas3
@3Faidonas3 7 месяцев назад
Ayy I also played far cry 5 with a 970. Was a bit wonky but playable with the right settings, even in 1440p
@Nobody-vr5nl
@Nobody-vr5nl 7 месяцев назад
Just upgraded from a 980ti to 4080. 40-70 frames is not okay. Not playing farcry but ya.
@couryswan2448
@couryswan2448 7 месяцев назад
​@@Nobody-vr5nl? Explain what you really mean your thoughts did not come through here....
@Kasper0822
@Kasper0822 7 месяцев назад
@@3Faidonas3 It was fine. Went from 20ish frames to something more reasonable with the new driver.
@BansheeBunny
@BansheeBunny 7 месяцев назад
9:04 Jay describes paste pump-out correctly, and his go to paste is still KPx... Paste designed for short LN2 runs (KPx) do not to freeze and crack at -140C. In a daily driver PC LN2 paste will probably pump-out in a year or two, at most. Use noctua, NT-H1/NT-H2 or thermal grizzly, Hydronaut for a paste that will last 5-6 years. thermal grizzly, KryoSheet is a, use once thermal pad that will last the life of the device.
@ascissordollynamedgwen9409
@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 7 месяцев назад
Actually noctua nth2 pumps out too. I found that out on my rtx 3080 a year ago. Made my hotspot go to 92c. Replaced with more nth2 because it took like 2 years. So its no big deal.
@alinebarreto9715
@alinebarreto9715 7 месяцев назад
Please talk about 34' and 38' monitors. Which ones are better for gaming ...
@MageThief
@MageThief 7 месяцев назад
I have almost always kept up with updates on most things when it comes to my computers.
@pApA0LeGBa
@pApA0LeGBa 7 месяцев назад
The real test for most people would be to show the difference on older cards (1060 and 1650 are still two of thee most used cards on steam) and with medium and low settings.
@benni_w_
@benni_w_ 7 месяцев назад
I even had the thermal paste thing happen to a pretty modern card. Bought a 3070 used and it ran terribly hot. Changed the thermal paste and now it runs pretty cool with fairly low fan speeds. That probably was a 15°C or so difference - with a card that only even launched 4 years ago. Same thing when I bought a 980Ti two years prior. The thermal paste actually looked really good when I removed the cooler so I feared that the seller already changed it and there's no improvements to be gained - but I changed it anyways and dropped an impressive 8°C. And I didn't use fancy thermal paste - just a standard tube of cheap Arctic MX-2 that I bought 2019 before the 3070 even launched xD
@Parmenedes
@Parmenedes 7 месяцев назад
I love your vids, Jay, but I was astounded that you did a whole video on drivers without exploring stability problems in various driver versions. Respectfully, focusing solely on framerates in benchmarks seems rather myopic since GPU drivers affect a whole host of other dynamics in PCs (many of which might not have anything to do with games), and as a fan, I've come to expect better of you than that. Nvidia generally releases like six or eight drivers that are flat out AWFUL in between *stable* driver releases. Way too often, when they fix one thing, they break two more. Many drivers cause a host of problems for tons of people including crashes, problems with software, creating instability, or even flat-out bricking their pc's. One game might run better on a given driver version while five other games run worse or won't even run at all. I ALWAYS wait awhile to read about issues people have before updating, as way too many times I've found myself on the business end of a really crappy driver update that causes me have to DDU back to a previous version - I've even had to wipe my system and reinstall windows (including of course reinstalling software I use along with then having to spend time changing various settings back to the way I want them) a couple of times because a driver screwed things up so badly. Even though the most recent driver is 551.61, I'm still using 537.58 simply because it's more stable (imo the last stable and reliable driver they've released), even if the newer version *might* eke out a few more fps in certain games. Also, I've lost count of the number of games that "required" a driver update upon release but worked fine (and often actually even better) on an older driver. I think it's wiser to be discerning about which drivers to update to rather than just to update every time a new one comes out. This belief is based upon my own personal experience, the advice of friends I have who work in the tech industry, as well as research. I really don't understand why Nvidia insists on cramming a single driver (which often takes up close to a gigabyte) into every single card they make rather than splitting off their drivers to serve different product lines. The number of different GPU models out in the wild combined with the complexity of the variables involved just make it a fool's errand to try to make one single driver work for all their cards. It's too easy to inadvertently break certain things while fixing others - like pushing marbles into a tube. At the very least, they should break off their RTX cards so that they have their own drivers while updating older cards with a different line of drivers. But that's just MyTwoCents (haha).
@ogheros5541
@ogheros5541 6 месяцев назад
Designed obsolescence is only really egregious when it’s beyond obvious. Product has a 1 year warranty for example and the product becomes obsolete on average 1 year and a month or so after purchase.
@Jonathan-Roden
@Jonathan-Roden 7 месяцев назад
Please do much older Nvidia graphics cards, and PLEASE do the same with AMD recent cards (according to AMDhelp subbreddit, AMD drivers are a MESS
@Star-ef6dr
@Star-ef6dr 7 месяцев назад
Might have been better to do the tests with the 1% lows. Those graphs just look like a load of whatever.
@BorisTheGoose92
@BorisTheGoose92 7 месяцев назад
Think this is more relevant to older cards than just the previous series, but still neat to see the changes even with a newer card like the 3070. I imagine it would be unreasonable to consider trying an older one that more people are running such as 1080ti, but then people would complain regardless 😂 Argument being if you bought a 30series card and it is already issue ridden from planned obsolesence that would hurt the brand. If something is a 10 series and all of a sudden started having problems it could be seen as an "old card" and just needs replaced when likely it may not. Either way enjoyed the video and hope things are goinf well for Jay and the team.
@oddeofreq
@oddeofreq 7 месяцев назад
I feel like you should have Phil rescale the charts to make the difference more clearly visible
@QueenSaffryn
@QueenSaffryn 7 месяцев назад
Now I'm thinking I need to repaste my 3070, it doesnt feel slower than when I got it, but it does feel like it's running hotter, may just spring for a cryosheet assuming I can find the dimensions on the chip so I dont have to be without my PC for a couple of days while it ships.
@tacoflavoredtoys4870
@tacoflavoredtoys4870 4 месяца назад
Gta 5 stopped kept crashing when I would attempt to get online. Updated my drivers on my gpu and gta started working correctly
@Zinkhal1
@Zinkhal1 7 месяцев назад
i rarely update my drivers ... a friend always was like "keep them up to date it works better" i did ... and nearly every 2nd time the gpu driver made a problem or atleast some games got a bad performance after the update ... so i started just to update if something isnt working like it should
@Killswitch1411
@Killswitch1411 7 месяцев назад
Pretty much what Ive been doing. Only when necessary.
@Spiralem
@Spiralem 7 месяцев назад
I'm no expert, but I don't think TIM getting squished out is due to phase changes.
@3DxPOD
@3DxPOD 7 месяцев назад
Jay needs to add a few more CENTS and maybe we'd get a comprehensive video. As people have suggested, this test needs to be done on older cards 10 series perhaps, also on AMD, and include the 1% numbers as well. Jay has been around a while and should know that testing on just one relatively new card is not going to yield conclusive evidence. I don't know who his sponsors are, it might have something to do with that.
@user-ij4ce1kd8s
@user-ij4ce1kd8s 7 месяцев назад
I couldn't have said it better myself.
@peaceyoman123
@peaceyoman123 7 месяцев назад
what was the "driving facter" for this video? lol
@kostihouse
@kostihouse 7 месяцев назад
Since it took me a very long time to make oculus link work flawlessly, im not updating the driver, changing from win 10 to win or anything else for as long as possible
@roguegen5536
@roguegen5536 6 месяцев назад
Built a PC in December. Downloaded all updated drivers. I tried to play the Witcher III and it kept crashing. In February 2024 the drivers recieve their first update in 2 years and magically Witcher III stopped crashing every 5 minutes.
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 7 месяцев назад
I think nVidia is careful about driver manipulation, I forget when, about 2000, nVidia and ATI got caught with drivers that knew when 3DMark benchmarks were running and optimised accordingly, shades of VW DieselGate where the vehicle software detected when the vehicle was tested and adjusted accordingly. I don’t think nVidia wanted to weather another DriverGate storm.
@seahawk_dk
@seahawk_dk 7 месяцев назад
There can be other arguments for updating driver, to fix bugs, not just raw performance
@mikigameplays
@mikigameplays 7 месяцев назад
I always download every single new GPU driver when it is released, honestly, i never had any problems.
@watercannonscollaboration2281
@watercannonscollaboration2281 7 месяцев назад
Well with the new changes to the Nvidia GPU app it will be far easier for a Nvidia card to get auto driver version check Also 12:23 you should update your bios too, either for performance improvements or literally prevent your motherboard from frying your CPU
@KomithEr
@KomithEr 7 месяцев назад
except the fridge you bought in communism, those still work 50 years later
@87Radim
@87Radim 7 месяцев назад
What about 1% and 0.1% lows? Shouldn't we move on with showing off only peak performance in 2024?
@emileballard4417
@emileballard4417 7 месяцев назад
i just wanne to say its because the thermal paste gets dry but jay allready beat me. i allways repaste everything after 2 years of use. i also clean everything. and i have never had the idea things got slower on purpose. used my 8350 and 770gtx for more then 8 years. i changed it because games got harder to play for the pc and because dx11.1 did not play all the dx12 games
@stephenbeyer4315
@stephenbeyer4315 7 месяцев назад
missed opportunity. A video on drivers and not one shot of you "driving"? I thought you were a petrol head?
@shoefly757
@shoefly757 7 месяцев назад
Highly recommend waiting a week or so on nvidia drivers unless you read the driver notes and it fixes something you need. Too many times I updated immediately and then had to safe boot to revert to old drivers due to no display. Mayne because I'm overclocked, YMMV
@powerpc6037
@powerpc6037 6 месяцев назад
Due to this, I learned NOT to update anything unless it's absolutely required to get something new working properly. I never updated drivers on a 13 year old system and even newer apps and games ran fine, even with those 13-year old drivers. Even my Win7 didn't get any update in those 13 years until recently when I was forced by Steam and Satisfactory to update to Win10.
@domgag1756
@domgag1756 7 месяцев назад
I think that if it working, why fix it. A few days ago I did a driver update and it totally messed up my system
@uglybob7505
@uglybob7505 7 месяцев назад
Just upgraded to the nVidia App. Looking good so far !
@jondonnelly3
@jondonnelly3 7 месяцев назад
same i like not having to log in!
@vividthespis
@vividthespis 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for Beta testing...so the rest of us may be stress free :''-)
@ОсликИа-я2ы
@ОсликИа-я2ы 7 месяцев назад
"Looking good" - but not the stats overlay, it's even more crap now. Second time they're ruining it more and more (first time was font change and losing detection in many windowed games).
@PainX187
@PainX187 7 месяцев назад
somewhat worse then control panel removed it bloated homescreen lack of game settings came with telemetry activated so spyware it is also one of the worst Danish translations i have ever seen and i could not find a setting to switch language it looks like a machine read a dictionary wrote it but has no idea what sentence and word composition means
@anitasuejones4793
@anitasuejones4793 7 месяцев назад
My question is it better to do a clean install of the driver or express install every time?
@JamesRussoMillas
@JamesRussoMillas 7 месяцев назад
Funadmentally, most people don't understand how driver updates work. Let's say you have a 2070 and 3060. On paper when the 3060 launched, they were equal in performance. Now five years later, on the latest driver, it seems like the 3060 is faster now. That's because the newer arch's will get game optimizations more than old arch's so it will seem like the old cards got slower when in reality, the new cards get faster each update.
@AvocadoBondage
@AvocadoBondage 7 месяцев назад
If you do this for AMD do it for the 7000 series cards with the older 22.x.1 drivers because amd implemented dxnavi which apparently affected dx9/11 games causing issues with some and more fps with others
@MBDB666
@MBDB666 7 месяцев назад
Not once have I ever believed any of the Graphics cards manufacturers were engaging in planned obsolescence. I have always seen quite the opposite, dating all the way back to the 3DFX, Geforce 256, and early ATI days. Drivers updates, for the most part, always improved performance and stabilty. Only rarely would I see a driver tank performance, but that was usually a result of the program itself, not supporting a feature on the chipset, or not being optimized. Apple is the only company I can safely say engages in planned obsolescence, by ensuring it through forced updates.
@nathanepp5307
@nathanepp5307 7 месяцев назад
Would it be possible if you could do a video for AMD I have a SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB card best card I've ever had would love to see some numbers for this card i would like to see if its worth upgrading or if this card would still be good for the next couple years keep up the great work i absolutely love watching your videos
@Midcon77
@Midcon77 7 месяцев назад
Liquidly-solid. I think that describes my dad bod. :)
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