Having slept on the shoulder charge nerf I must say, I’m not really married to the take in the video, HOWEVER, I personally think a base cooldown of maybe 5 seconds would’ve sufficed if this is the route we had to go down. As it sits now you have to invest into the strength stat, to even bring the cooldown to 7 seconds. As far as I’m aware that’s the longest cooldown for any movement ability in the game, with investment into a stat that isn’t your class specific stat. Seems like the most investment for a movement tool in the game. Shoulder charge probably needed to be touched but this isn’t the best way to do it and as much as it pains me to say, it could’ve been worse too lmao they’ve done more egregious changes to it in the past. However the hill I will die on is the fact that the other 2 arc melees are dog water and it’s perplexing why they haven’t been touched at all. Will have a follow up out soon.
The Arc melees make me sad. Honestly, just bring back the powered melee from D1 at this point. It's just a regular punch, but spicy. I'd take that over "Kamehameha" lightning bolt and "Shiver Strike: Lightning Flavor".
Either nerf both titan and warlock or buff hunter dodge to give I-frames and turn hit box sideways like it used to be, titans and warlocks tower over the hunter in terms of kit capabilities and not to mention stat wise as well where you all can dump into mobility we are forced to use it as a main stat
This neft is just about Bungie hitting something not a problem. Because THEY DON'T EVEN CARE OR KNOW HOW TO FIX that problem. And then people go crazy with a mindset that is: "Oh sh*t it's striker titan neft, yes plz" without even knowing what makes Striker so broken.... This sh*t keeps happening just like the glaive neft, make me really want to leave...
Please shut up u dumb ass Titan your melee does everything plus u are the fastest class u dumbass u eat crayons all day long damn shut the fuck up u might be a melee class yes so that means u shouldn't be the fastest class either u want everything don't u .I mean like u can hide behind a shield all day long and your melees blind people and the people around them so shut up and the ballistic slam is good just because u have to aim 🥺🥺ahhh is the baby mad u have to aim for once in your life after hitting them with ballistics slam melee again and u will jump across the map with that melee and kill the person before they can kill u thunder clap is ass but who cares about that and when it comes to void titans u suppressed people make people explode and kill the people next to them how is that fair at all hunter isn't even the fastest class in the game when we are supposed to be Titans are the fastest way is that idk
Yeah I’m going to do the same. Going to spend and extensive amount of time on the other 2 melees and see how I feel, prepare yourself for a follow up video lmao
I started maining titan from warlock around forsaken era, and it’s been the most fun I’ve had playing Destiny. Taking away movement options across all classes and subclasses effectively ruins the “we want you to feel like a superhero” mantra the dev team had back in the Lightfall ViDoc. It’s being used for mobility mainly because it does literally nothing else noteworthy enough. You gave the guys with the biggest fists in the game some pillows to hit everyone with. Hunters 11/10 times will have max mobility, couple that with anything void that they have and you’re dead before the smoke clears. If I wanna get up close and personal and gamble a shotgun or smg to the face, I should be able to with a somewhat fair fight. MOBILITY IS TIED TO DODGE!! So not only are you blind, slow, and disoriented, but regardless of what subclass you fight, it takes two button presses for a hunter to just appear 6 feet above you and absolutely mollywhop you with a slug sg. Warlocks get the shorter end of the stick but they can move and protect themselves better. I’d take healing rifts over barricades personally, but that might be a hot take. Warlocks get their supers fast and can chain abilities, but it’s all pointless if you’re dead because you just simply couldn’t move fast enough from certain engagements. And of course the titans get shafted again. I wasn’t even around for the initial changes to SC, but they’ve been fine at the current state that they’re in. I barely SC red bars on high level content because you’re just not doing enough damage with just the hit alone. As for PvP, you really do some damage with stuff like peregrine or dunemarchers, but it’s never guaranteed. I place top of the leaderboard most games I run arc or void just because I’m able to move around the map so quickly (peacekeepers on void for max mobility is a heavenly combo). Regardless of what game or game mode you’re playing, you shouldn’t feel like you’re moving too slow in any scenario. How a development team that preaches about “fast paced and action packed gameplay” can simply ignore such an integral change to 1/3 of the playerbase is beyond me. And lastly, they literally gave EVERYONE grappling hooks and nerfed the ability spam for how much damage you can do and just how fast you can move around when you constantly have that charge up. Titans get the worst part of it. We don’t know any better than to eat crayons and mumble as we punch everything in sight. But to nerf “mobility” on the least mobile class is just absurd. They took the shoulder part away from the SC (it doesn’t one hit anymore) and now they’re taking the charge away from us. Figuratively and literally. But starfire and gyrfalcons spams are okay :) TL:DR: titans get shafted yet again (surprise surprise) and the dev team over at big B decided to give it the green light without checking in on anyone that ACTUALLY plays titan for more than 15 minutes a day. It’ll negatively impact the titan experience, but as guardians and titans specifically, we’ll work around the changes just like every other time before. One collective brain cell at a time.
Ngl,anyone who thinks this nerf is gonna destroy titans is high.Anyone who says shoulder charge is a bad melee is a lier.I mained arc titan with Antabuse wards during season of plunder.Easiest,least skill flawless runs of my life.If you're missing with shoulder charge its your fault.You either misjudged distance and fell short,or you weren't looking right at your target.You can't expect a 150 damage,blinding melee to auto track people.
@@gregory-pc2jtshoulder charge is top tier with dunemarchers or Antues or peregrine, but without that it’s kinda only useful for moving around, cuz 8/10 ur gonna get shottied b4 u kill someone I hope, cuz it’s very easy to kill a Titan running straight at u. I don’t get y ppl r complaining abt Titan melee, literally just shotty and move away and let us have a little mobility at least cuz we got zero
I'm just surprised they didn't give shiver strike the same treatment as this new shoulder charge (15% usage on no hit). Also surprised at these minuscule stasis buffs (they are not enough). Also the reasoning for this nerf makes no sense because warlocks can icarus dash for free every 2 seconds. I hate the dev team; such an obvious bias for warlocks and hate for titans.
@@Jxce1600 it’s not even an arc titan nerf it’s just a full titan nerf, the only titan melees that are even worth a fuck in pvp are the shoulder charges, and they suck so hard that they got demoted to a movement ability from a melee, it’s not even nearly as good as Icarus dash
@@joelatkinson208 ah yes my melee that has hit reg so bad it’s used as a dash that if missed will result in my immediate death because it has an incredibly long recovery time that carries 0 momentum
It is faster than Icarus dash in immediate animation speed, easier to bait with, and also serves as an incredible cleanup tool for shotgunning. These are not the same. Also, it’s 15%, that just means more investment in the stat to make it pretty dang often still, and just smarter choices and intentionality on when to use it instead of spamming it.
Icarus dash is instant. Shoulder charge you have to sprint for a certain length of time. No way shoulder charge is faster than a button press. But to be fair shoulder charge is in every class
@@PocketTuna What I meant was that when activated it is faster. I’ve seen people get sniped through Icarus dash, never seen someone get sniped out of shoulder charge. At least laterally. Plus, in terms of straight line movement with momentum, you will shoulder charge more often than you Icarus dash with continuous sprinting.
I knew this was going to trigger you. But you're not wrong, what is the role of the Shoulder Charge? At the very least I believe the sprint to use requirement needs to go now. That was originally a design restriction to avoid easy OHK. Well it's not OHK tool, it's a pseudo movement tool now. Bungie really is out there nerfing Titans CONSTANTLY since Lightfall. At least Throwing Hammer and Shield Throw might not suck anymore?! Those where actual good changes. I'm starting to think Bungie really wants Titans to main Void and Strand over the other subclasses. They have the most utility.
I've almost never used a shoulder charge on titan...on solar I used hammer, on arc I used thunderclap (which by the way isn't so bad if you consider it as another fusion shot in your pocket), void titan doesn't step into pvp at all, but in pve it's always shiesh throw. And now I play strand in pvp 24/7 with the best melee of all 5 titan subclasses. So...I don't give a shit about this nerf, on contrary, I'd love to see no more people, crossing entire map on shoulder charges in 2 seconds.
@@PocketTuna next season arc titan will be interesting, viable and fun in pve. At last. I can't recall any time when arc titan existance was about anything then just thundercrushing a boss and then epileptically trying to run away from the stomp mechanic. There were grenades in season of plunder but it was the most boring and mindless build I have ever seen on any class. But in season 21 he will have a good roaming super (with champ-stun capability), a good melee-focused build and 2 very nice element exotic (after exotic overhaul).
I can spam shoulder charge as fast as it goes and fail to make it to mid map before three warlocks that are waiting for me, so idk what you’re on about lmaoooo
@@iamnotgood5710 firstly...I've been ironic. Secondly, have you tried to shoulder charge and then dodge with a thruster while running with a speed of light being amplified?)
As a shouldercharge simp (my whole build revolves around it, i love it dearly), and that small nerf isn't that bad IMO. Shouldn't over dramatize until we actually get to see how it play, could be not as bad as we think or could be just as bad. But as of right now, doesn't seem that crazy. I do agree about buffing the other two arc melees though
yeah i don’t really care much for these changes but it is becoming increasingly clear that there is warlock bias at bungie (or maybe just a lack of titan players)
what's the point of nerfing warlocks? We got good abilities for movement and gunplay sure. But just look at other classes an aspects there is no need to nerf solar warlocks may be annoying. But arc warlocks are where stuffs at, that's the only class that might need a nerf due to the slide melee potency but Damm, I'm surprised this many people get irritated about warlocks when they get nerfed, WE DON'T NEED IT where the only subclass that does not have a 1 shot ability :| and we don't get nerfed because we get buffed y'know why? because some things about us ARE SHIT
@@EddiesStuff never said they should nerf warlocks but they should give titan their strengths and not nerf them. Bungie labeled titans the punch class (which most of us didn’t ask for) and when we start making builds and tech for melees and punching they nerf it.
Just make shoulder charge intrinsic icarus dash. You still have your regular melee whatever you wanna choose be it shield throw or throwing hammer or Thunder clap And if you run for a certain amount or time you can use shoulder charge and it will be on a cool down just like icarus dash may it be 5 seconds or 7 seconds.
You're absolutely 100% right brother. Titans are the whipping class that have everything good taken from them and given to other class and made better..
The only thing I've hated about this change as a pve main is the fact that I have sooooooooo many years of muscle memory of just spamming shoulder charge to get anywhere. The other is the fact the melee whiffs 25% of the time or someone kills what you were aiming at and boom your ability is now on cooldown. I still think the trade off being it's completely tied to an offensive skill is enough to leave it untouched. Just reduce how hard it is to actually hit someone while doing it. The cheap part about the ability isn't that it can be done over and over is that it's so hard even when being pin point accurate to actually hit anyone in the animation.
I just like how it feels to use shoulder charge. It's fun. Even when youre just running around patrol and strikes. Bungie sandbox team has sticks up their arses and this nerf negatively effects the entire class. The reason I never used statis Titan is because I hated that the shoulder charge consumed melee even when it missed.
My man's is comparing shoulder dash to hunter and warlock movement without considering the fact they have a barricade -.- Can't have the best movement and best defense, pretty clear arc titan has been broken for too long
Just using a shotgun has always been better imo than using shoulder charge for killing, especially in 6s, with the amount of special ammo/shotguns in the game. I always got one-shot when using shoulder charge as an actual melee like intended.
why are titans so pressed by this. Yes, it's in both Pve and Pvp but wdym you have to waste a slot with your melee XD that's insane guess what warlocks have to do? Use an aspect slot for less lunge range than titan, and deals damage, stop complaining about it I've said it and I'll say it again titans where never supposed to be fast, when bungie created titans their main focus was not speed it was to tank damage and be aggressive. Talk about other subclasses movement when my Icarus is on more than 1 class and it does dmg.
The only thing I can say about that is Icarus dash is on less of a cooldown atleast and I would rather give up an aspect slot rather than a melee and have to spec into strength
@@PocketTuna fair point but I'm still saying you where never supposed to be fast, HELL warlocks probably aren't supposed to be as fast. But the simple fact is that your melee is on every class whereas my Icarus is on solar. Not on void not on arc not on stasis. and melee does dmg and Icarus does not. What other stat distribution does a titan want. Recov is no problem with knockout and over shields. and 100 resil should be normal. sure, there's grenade which is a fair point but I'm js you should be running Resil melee and dis
@@EddiesStuff that's fair. But on the flip side I would rather shoulder charge be a very potent melee than having it be used as a movement tool altogether, but I don't think that's possible at all anymore at this point which makes me sad 😞
i disagree with bungie about making it have a cooldown when not used on enemies but the shoulder charge SHOULD NOT fucking one shot like the void fucking deals about 70% and gives you an overshield and making your screen go haywire while the arc one blinds and the solar one one shots me when i got 100 res so yes i do believe shoulder charges need a nerf in dmg but not in mobility
The broken one is warlock, hunters have a dodge which is less useful than either barracade or rift while warlocks have the best mobility even though hunters are the "mobility" class.
They can barely handle 3 what makes you think they could make a 4th class. But to entertain your question, it would be *The* Guardian class, where you're the lore accurate version of the Saviour of the Last City. You're not bound by any class identity and can mix and match things from every class, maybe even including subclasses. It would probably exist mostly for story mode purposes.
Arc titan has a movement ability wdym, and you're saying shoulder charge is sacrificing a melee ability for movement? Your not sacrificing anything? You can have a near one shot melee while also using it for movement its been broken asf for ages.
If the cool down for shoulder charge is also around 5 seconds then I'll take that. But the fact that it cost 15% is dumb asf. Finna stay on my Dawnlock next season. Fucking sad
Personally this nerf to shoulder charge for now it being on a cooldown is fair trade only due to the fact that Hunter dodge cooldown was nerfed from like 15 seconds to a solid 27-30 seconds with 100 mobility, and stompees is overused. Warlock on the other hand went from 2 ic dashes to 1 w/o heat rise proc’d and the speed really decreases when it is proc’d, so imo fair trade
People also forget that you don’t need a charged melee to use knockout. How often do you use knockout melee vs. shoulder charge? Warlocks need an aspect to icarus dash, titans have a free melee people gotta stop coping
Except warlocks dash is shorter and not tied to their strength stat. You can even compare them losing 2 dash because bungie over buffed warlocks back then and then brought them back in line.
there balancing it so every class has shit melee to focus more on gun play they literally have said they want to have more focused gun play then the ability spam that there still is. warlocks dash has a 5 sec cool down each time unless you eat a you grenade then you get 2 lol. titan can literally spam it over and over and over again its is call balancing for a reason its over used for everything just spec strength lol
So bungie says movement abilities should have trade offs. Then whats the hunters dodge trade off? The hypocrisy is absolutely insane. They cant go 1 patch without nerfing Titans.
@Pocket Tuna well I don't mind it if I can do it on my ps5 controller consistently then it should stay in the game but how you gonna do the titans like that I get it their fast but the only reason I could ever see this nerf is in pvp that's it let me have some fun in pve damnit you bungie!!!
Icarus dash have cooldown, shatterdive and stranddive have some kind of cooldown. Titans have shoulder charge by default, not because of aspect. And I don't understand people that saying "why you did that bunge". For now we have full lobby of immortal+peacekeepers+knockout. Also titans have void overshield, arc juggernaut. Many exotics for titans is very easy to activate, for example peregrine greaves that can oneshot you. Titans have barricade, that can save you better than healing rift. After all I think this is good change.
Shoulder charges need to Run on a Flat surface for a second and you said it doesn't have cool down ? Like you said, knockouts, juggernaut, Immortal is the proplem here. Neft them, not Shoulder Charge. You're just like Bungie being stupid right now
To be fair I would be less tiffed about juggernaut and knockout receiving heavy nerfs. What’s the shatterdive cooldown now? Can’t remember off the top right now
Yesss yesss im super happy about this change its about time, so now they wont be able to zip around the map as fast and if they wanna use it its gonna cost them 😂
I hope yhis change should be given to all classes, and I main warlock, I do play other classes too. I dont mind losing a bit of class energy for an icarus dash, I also should say that shatterdive should also be using some energy
I feel like you should have provided more numbers and explain your frustrations the video just came off whiny in my opinion. if you want mobility there now has a trade off your strengths state that now cant be allocated to other states now you have to make a Sacrifice just like hunter having to put into mobility. not having such stats as less resilience and recovery making there gun fight feel different in sacrifice for there dodge. ultimately making it make sense as there more stats you know have to prioritize and for warlock i feel like Icarus dash neef a nerf of some kinda to be more in line with other mobility options. such as shoulder charge and dodge and evade. As it's a instant velocity tool.
idk about what you mean, the other two classes? Hunter got the ultimate nerf when they made the Resi Changes and took away powerful friends. We lost +20 Mobility right there alone. We can't even get the best pvp stats Recovery and Resilience to 100 at the same time. You know what's useless to the other two classes? Mobility. Strength you can still utilize in some builds to work around it considering it's a 2ndary oh so you won't have 100 Discipline or Intellect vs oppressive movement around the map that's a fair choice to make because at it currently was they might aswell of had penta 100's. 100 recovery/resilience/Discipline (kickstarter mod and bomber)/ Intellect just get 80 and Str which they didn't need to spec into. Overall, the change won't really make that much of a difference until it's actually played through, but to say other classes don't have to sacrifice was a reach
@@dylannichols3577 sprint to activate juggernaut -> juggernaut gets broken -> slide for anteus -> kill your enemy using knockout -> get back health -> another player starts shooting you -> use barricade How are they not tanky?
@@Telesto_Timelost play behemoth -> activate super -> slam crystals down for damage resistance-> still die to a single person using an auto rifle. /// Use arc titan -> win. /// Obviously arc titan is broken, but you can’t say the same for strand, void, stasis, or solar. There have been the two tapping shenanigans with stasis but hopefully that’s fixed.
Dont do it. Warcocks should be next on the chopping block. You will just get the same disappointment all over again. Either ride it out on titan or go hunter I guess.
Wow this is going to force you to adapt to a new game play instead of the normal crayon eater stuff lol man that sucks for you that your crutch is getting nerfed. Now Titians might have to use their heads in other ways instead of headbutting stuff lol
@@PocketTuna I guess I play my Titian different then. I haven't relied on shoulder charge since the first nerf other than the movement part of it, it is useless unless you have low health red bar lol. I adapted a while ago its not as fun but I also stay alive longer too lol
I personally disagree with your statement about how hunters are more mobile than titan. Dodging gives no forward momentum and does no damage whereas shoulder charge gives momentum and does damage if necessary
plus any ding dongs in pvp worth their salt knows dodging breaks aim assist since d1. my god some of you hunters are too stupid to understand your own abilities. my god.
@@PocketTuna to be honest, cool with me. SC makes me irrationally angry but id prefer to get space kicked into the void rather than constantly outmaneuver'ed by the other mobility class
@@girthychan9552 even with shoulder charge hunters can outmaneuver tf out of a Titan, that’s just a skill issue for u if u can’t, hell even a fucking warlock can, ion know y shoulder charge is seen as this godly ability, sure it’s useful for moving around but how is it any better than hunters with their mobility and dodge or warlocks with Icarus and floaty shit. it Does all depend on the user, but come on shoulder charge is very fucking easy to counter and if u can’t do it, it most def means ur in game awareness is shitty or you’ve never used a shotty.
Thank God for that! Titans and Huneters have suspension in Strand and Warlcoks have none. Titans and Hunters have to an extent a one shot ability while Warlocks have to work for kills 😂
Give Titans their one shot shoulder charge back, I don't care cuz I can stop them with my heavy knife or dodge them with bakris, but for God's sake I don't want to see one more titan flying like a warlock and dodging without any energy cost, running at mach 20 at me with an overshield ready to proc knockout and wipe the entire team
Titans forgot they had the whole one shot shoulder charge era for years. Yes hunters have a dodge but it has a cool down and warlock Icarus dash also has a cool down it’s only fair game. Maybe a cool down would’ve been best but it definitely needed a touch
We need to run first to shoulder charge and yes it's not that long, it can easily put us in the wrong position. Shoulder charges don't even one shot anymore, why did you take that out now?
@@trankhoa5248 1 shot or not all of your melees can deal roughly 150dmg and applies subclass verbs arc: blind void: suspend AND volatile: solar: scorch and ignition.
I agree it needed a touch. I would have rathered a cool down of maybe 5 seconds applied to shoulder charge instead of having to invest into strength now to make it viable at 7 seconds? Probably the longest cooldown for any movement tool in the game if I remember correctly.
Hunters have to spec into mobility which is a big tradeoff for having a “better melee” and Icarus dash can’t do damage and has a 4 second cool down, and titans have shields which are the strongest thing in the game which no other class has anything even close to it
I just thinking having to spec into strength AND resil is a little strange to feel like your class. But that’s fair I’m not exactly married to my shoulder charge take but I am more annoyed that the other 2 melees didn’t get buffed atleast
@@PocketTuna They did though, Sentinel Shield and Hammer Throw both got a buff in tracking and dmg. Besides, you don't HAVE TO spec into Strength. Most Warlock aspects and exotics are centered around discipline so I can say that Warlocks HAVE TO spec into discipline...
and hunters have to spec into recovery (because we can't get our health back with habilities), mobility to dodge (litteraly the only use mobility has), strenght for a somewhat decent melee cooldown, and for resil we either dismiss it and pray we don't get stomped, or have a warlock behind, healing us
@@andreymavian3400 Those are on 2 totally different subclass elements, I was referring to arc. Yes warlock leans more towards discipline in order to use its grenades for its intended purpose on having powerful grenades. On titan now you have to spec into strength to use a melee as a movement tool. Those aren't exactly equal. I would rather spec into strength for a powerful melee as opposed to a movement tool but we can agree to disagree on that. It isn't the end of the world.
@@a118studios7 Not sure on the point you are making here. Dodge offers an instant cooldown on melee and depending on sublclass, melee offers instant cooldown on dodge for an infinite loop. Hunter has access to restoration and cure on solar 3.0 like everyone else. There's an exotic that gives hunter health on dodge. Not sure I understand what you mean here
As much as I hate to admit it, if shoulder charge was ever going to get nerfed this is the least aggressive way they could’ve gone about it. They’ve done worst in the past
thank god i quit this dogwater game. as a titan main, im glad i made the choice to play warframe and warzone 2. good riddance. a game that has the devs totally clueless when it comes to design. jesus.
And about saint 14 and osiris relationship , is there any way for us to know if that was really how it was in the original story ! I used to think the bond between them were awesome and i was amazed by that " brotherhood" but turns out thats not even a thing ! If bungie is trying to be one of those politically righteous companies , then fk them !
Can't even find enjoyment in Destiny anymore. These changes for Titan are just...Wh-where is the incentive? We needs buffs to our class yet get hit by nerfs constantly. Who has complained about Titans being powerful? We literally hit like wet noodle that's been soaked for way too long! SC did not need to be nerfed. Game is more balanced to give Warlocks the advantage at this point. Starfire still busted while every other exotic on the other two classes get touched. Stasis got pretty much nothing (like always) and yet what annoying Stasis ability sees a buff? Warlocks. I'm only loading up D2 at this point just to do a raid and even then, so many Wellocks it grows annoying. Damage should be WEAPON focused. NOT ability focused unless by a SUPER! Not an oversized rift! Watch that we get our resilience removed across the board while Warlocks get buffed and given an increased timer for Well. Rather play Monster Hunter and grind that out than D2. Oh wait. I have been doing that for the past month. AND having fun! Titans get no love then I have no interest to load in.
ffs read the notes, starfires getting nerfed stop complaining, what buff do you need? More knockout damage, more over shield, more ignitions like what you need BETTER EXOTICS bs man titans don't need love they need their entitled asses to realize and look at the facts that there powerful, they can't handle a nerf. AND FFS WDYM Wellock annoying 6 VOID or 6 ARC titans IS HELL. THE REASON PEOPLE ARE WELLOCKS IS DUE TO WHAT OTHER SUPER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE ding dong. Warlocks don't need buffs. Titans are automatically going to be better nonmatter what update they toss out. I'm a warlock main cause I like it not because its powerful.
@@Jxce1600 what buffs? Juggernaut getting 1 more fragment slot? Shoulder charge didn’t need a nerf because it is objectively worse than Icarus dash which is what a 4 second cooldown at the most with no investment, also both arc supers FUCKING SUCK
Yeah but titans are without a doubt the most viable class in the game. Art titans have a busted kit with barricade, knockout, double lighting grenades or a frontal shield while running, speed booster to make movement even faster and a shoulder charge movement ability that can be used every 5 seconds. So maybe introducing a minor shoulder charge cooldown isn't that bad. Also arc titan having three bad melees is not true. They have ballistic missile which is high risk high reward, shoulder charge for free movement and huge lunge, and thunderclap which can one hit if you have somewhat substantial game knowledge. But then they also have knockout which massively increases their base melee distance as well as other buffs. Stop acting like titans are being punished unfairly when they are so superior to every other class in the game right now.
@@trinki8345 I do. Every 3v3 game mode is dictated by which team has the better arc titan. The ability to get to the centre of the map, put shields up, and win almost every melee duel and then receive full health and shield is much better than a solar warlocks ability to shoot from the air, air dash and put a rift down. Hands down there is almost no comparing. Just because you play titan and get shit on by warlocks in the air because you can't look up does not mean titans are bad, it means you are bad.
I would like to point out that arc titan is the most used subclass within trials. Titans are meant to be defensive and not as mobile as a hunter. I think titans should not be able to infinitely dodge compared to hunters imo. This should make titans more in line with the other two classes.
I am done with destiny. Every update is insert buff to hunter, insert buff to warlock, insert minor buff to everyone or to titan.... insert random uncalled for nerf to titan. This nerf would make sense if they gave us back the one shot melee in PvP but they didn't. I am just so tired of the disappointment. I don't know how long I am leaving the game for. It might be next season or next expansion or forever. Its just not fun anymore. It feels like a second job. I am so glad I did not try and take a content creation path with this game that would have made it so much worse. Tin foil hat time - What has changed since last season and this one? DMG left. Who came in to fill that spot? I think a CM is injecting personal bias into their reports. A CM's job is to relay community issues to the team and report back to the community. I never heard anyone complain about synthoceps with glaives. I have heard a couple of people complain about titans zipping around in PvP but its not like full on complaints like it was with icarus dash. Hoil it needed tuning I wont lie but it didn't need that much tuning. Thundercrash did anyone complain about it being able to connect in air or its flight time? No. There are lots of things I saw people complain about that needed some nerfs like citans, bastion, storm grenades but there have been so many that just don't make sense. You don't see teams of titans getting top 3 in raid races or having the fastest trials cards. You don't see titans soloing raids. But here we are getting another nerf. You know they are going to nerf baby hammer. They will make it like hunter throwing knives except not give it the tracking or damage just a single use item that takes ages to recharge. Anyways I needed to rant about it. Thanks for giving me a place/echo chamber to yell in. But I am finishing up my reveler/champ title tomorrow just because of the sunk cost fallacy since we have been working on that title for a year and then uninstalling. Its time to give this a break and touch grass. Oh also I am not saying attack the CMs or anything. Its just a conspiracy I have that the newest CMs are influencing the game way more than they should.
I don’t disagree with your point but would like add something to consider. I don’t think the game devs use our input to make big decisions. If the community is loud enough then yes they will probably change things. However, I think the majority of the changes we see are based on how Bungie believes/wants the game to run. They nerf/buff things because that’s how they want their game to play , regardless of the community doesn’t agree. So I don’t necessarily think that some of these changes are due to the community complaining about them but rather Bungie has a target that they try to hit.
LoL cause the community totally wanted a buff to fusions right? It's sad that a game I've spent so much time loving brings me nothing but frustration and anger. Crappiest connections of any game I've played in years as well as stupid changes that make it nothing like a shooter.
@@Masticatius it has definitely been frustrating. I actually stopped playing right around the time they implemented SBMM and enjoyed other games and had a great time. I just recently came back and the break did help out significantly. It sucks when the changes they make don’t benefit us, but it happens and will continue to happen.
I'm honestly not that tore up about it. After they nerfed it the first couple of times, I kinda didn't see the point in trying to use it at all. It doesn't even do half damage in PVP without specific build-crafting (so maybe that's on me for not building for that) and it's too risky in PVE to run in, bonk something, and have it shrug it off like I'm a toddler trying to wrestle with a St. Bernard. And the melee drain on it isn't that significant. It's a little insulting, and your hot take has a lot of fair complaints, but mechanically it's not the end of the world. I rarely used shoulder charge for mobility more than once every 10 seconds, anyway. I'm honestly MORE excited about the positive changes Papa Bungo gave us with roaming supers and class tweaking than anything, but that's your next video. lol
I think some of your points need to be taken with a grain of salt, the titan shoulder charge is very powerful in pvp when used correctly it's a forward pushing melee, and let's say your pushing a lane theres a sniper, just like hunter just dodge out the way warlocks have to waste time jumping for a pretty short dash distance hunters have to USE their ability putting it on cool down, all titans need is a short sprint to use it travel at very high speeds with a long lunge to safety, all for it to be ready to go again a second later. And to mention the enviroment where a titan is going to use their melee, let's say your shotty pushing and your slightly out of range you can sprint slide shoot your gun and still have active sprint frames which allow you to use the shoulder charge making it one of if not the best melee ability in the game in the pvp sandbox, in my personal opinion it deserves the warlock treatment as its treated like a get out jail free/pankc card when using the ability have a cool down after use 'for five seconds before being able to use again, the positives are just too good for the sc on hit you blind and jolt targets with the right aspects also has some form of knock back and chain melee damage without any exotics to boost it, titans currently have the best movement in the game paired with amplified makes them a wrecking force, and on void this goes further suppressing and "blinding" a player leaving them volatile which again with the correct fragments and aspects helps regen that ability energy back even faster, titans intrinsically should be speccing5strdngth regardless so not really a trade off there whereas hunters are forced to spec mobility as base dodge is upwards of 20 seconds off the top of my head, apologies for rambling I do agree with the points made to a certain length but titans really need some form of cooldown or penalty for being able to fly around and dodge in and out of cover after sprinting into a wall for a few seconds
60% of the game is hunters so if they complain out anything is more than likely gonna get a nerf there isnt many warlocks so people just assume warlocks are ass and there is just enought titans to where is something is good you'll see it, basically, alot of the changes bungie makes seems to be from personal play which is why the always know what the hunters need and never know what titan and warlock need it seems to me the hunter player base isnt as skilled as they say they are because they complain about every little thing the other classes can do, hating on titan seems to be the normal now and i believe this class is dead now, titan hasnt been op since the LS helm nerf even that was mainly pve, anything else being hated i feel has just been because of the popular hating trend on titan
Warlock: Well Skate. blink, icarus dash, heat rises Bungie: Hunter: Shatter Skate, two grapple charges, blink Bungie: Titan: *Using a useless melee ability just to quickly move forward 5 meters* Bungie: STOP! YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW!!
Imagine weighing two aspects in a subclass the same as a melee skill that is available to all 3 light subclasses on a titan who can customize any aspect lmao
@@oshenplays infinite sword swiping with swords and lion ramparts. You can get farther with that than with well skating and hunters have shatter skating. These cant even be utilized in pvp. This change was specifically done because of the movement IN PVP
I just dont get bunshit anymore, thats what you call balancing the game? Its just ridicilous how the ahamkara tripmines arent getting nerfed but INSTEAD the rest on hunter gets buffed nothing got really hurt and if so it got buffed in another way, even hunter melees got "nerfed" but buffed too. Hunters are allowed to have BETTER melees than Titans but Titan isnt even allowed to have any movement in anyway, Sorry that Im breathing air and playing as a Titan bunshit. Im not gonna play Titan anymore Im just done with it.
Hunters didn't actually get a single buff in PvP apart from Gathering Storm which is one shi of a super right now anyway. They nerfed all throwing knives on solar anyway....
@@andreymavian3400 I’ll be honest I find the Hunter nerfs strange. Personally I think Hunter knives were way too easy to use but that’s because I consider myself an above average PvP player. Idk how I feel about those changes yet but it might be worth a video
I think they deserved it hunters are the slowest class u have to head bonk roofs just to keep up ifinite shoulder charge is broken there way to fast hard to hit because of it to
