Side Slips VS Forward Slips and an old school drift exercise to learn the flying skills required

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Try THIS exercise and it will help you develop a feel for side slips and forward slips. A little old school drill that's been used for years to help pilots with these cross coordination skills.
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@epretorious 3 года назад

I always remember the difference between Forward & Side Slips this way: Forward Slip for falling. Side Slip for Center Line. HTH!

@hefeibao 3 года назад

Not sure which is more magical - him doing this in the flare or the empty traffic pattern at this airfield.

@Peacewind152 2 года назад

Side slips have been my bane. My CFI explained it well, but I still was not understanding the difference between crabbing and side slipping. Then she had me follow her on the controls for an approach. I don't know what it was... maybe the fact that she was actually controlling the aircraft so I didn't have to worry about actually flying the thing, but the next approach around it all suddenly clicked. My CFI's glee that I frigging got it was so rewarding.

@robgannon60 3 года назад

Nice. Learned to fly at an airport with a 30 foot wide runway and a constant crosswind. Side slips were essential to getting in there.

@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq 11 месяцев назад

You mean forward slips.

@robgannon60 11 месяцев назад

@@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq I do not.

@noelletakesthesky3977 9 месяцев назад

@@robgannon60 I currently fly at a very narrow field. Side slips are so essential that they’re basically just a normal landing. Also for a glide slope of 4.89 degrees. Forward slips aren’t used nearly as often. It’s definitely the sides that are used so often.

@CaptMoo 3 года назад

Beautiful!My instructor years ago didn't know the difference.

@melvinhathorn4988 3 года назад

The clearest explanation of slips I have heard

@bruce2357 3 года назад

I started flying in gliders and was taught slips by my instructor primarily as a skill to use in case the dive brakes failed, the glider also had no flaps. When I took my private check ride the last thing the examiner did to me was simulate an engine failure on downwind and told me I couldn't use flaps. I'm not sure I would have passed if I wasn't so familiar with using slips to get down. Runway was only 3,000' long and surrounded by houses so I stayed a little high because I didn't want to come up short and I knew I could lose the altitude.

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

Great story. Great experience 🙌

@queuerayzy 3 года назад

Great exercise to recommend, but the front-only camera (while demonstrating aileron input nicely) isn't really showing the subtlety of the rudder action. I think it would benefit any students to also have a visual representation of yoke and rudder inputs as you are doing the exercise. Either a set of sensors for a digital recreation, or maybe a couple of pic-in-pic cameras.

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

Great idea! Thx

@UnusualAttitudes 3 года назад

@@TheFinerPoints Moar GoProzzzzzz, Jason! Hahahaha

@Dan007UT 3 года назад

I was about to suggest the same!

@Tonyashani2 3 года назад

I wanted to ask the same thing. I would like to see the rudder inputs, because a lot of videos of any do not show you their rudder inputs.

@blancolirio 3 года назад

Excellent demo and explanation of the Finer Points between these 2 maneuvers Jason! I always got the terms mixed up, just called ‘em all sideslips.... Nothing finer than a turning forward slip from downwind in an old taildragger without flaps all the way to final and transition to a side slip for the crosswind landing....if I got my terminology correct. ;-) Juan. ( lets do a collab on this!)

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 3 года назад

Turning Forward Slips from downwind leg look fantastic. From outside and from inside too. We had Beech 18's and all kind of singles and twins doing them for just fun at the tropical airport I learned them in 1969. Now you dont see them often enough.

@KHP3333 5 месяцев назад

Juan. What do you think about starting a forward slip with full rudder in a Luscombe especially?

@btomlinson9988 3 года назад

I'm going to practice this. Had a 14kt crosswind the other night and really had trouble lining it up. This is great timing/advice. Thanks!

@standel8347 Год назад

This looks so cool i will try this out with my flight instructor

@GustavoRodrigues 3 года назад

Probably the most important technique to master crosswind landings.

@TheRedbeardpirate 3 года назад

I was just thinking that the side slip sounds alot like crosswind landing

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 3 года назад

@@TheRedbeardpirate See my post above.. It is a kind of slip too..

@michaeldent4985 3 года назад

Very timely. My CFI and I were just working on this yesterday. I had a tendency to use more rudder and less aileron to straighten myself out after rounding out instead of the opposite. But this led to the crosswind still moving me off of centerline as I flared and touched down. Now I'm working to use more aileron and just a touch of rudder. Love the channel!

@deanmiles3505 3 года назад

Great video, A friend of mine introduced me to the forward slip in a Kit Fox. He kicked the rudder to the floor, and I was looking out the side door at the ground. What a feeling when it's done without any warning. I was impressed...I'm going to have to try the side slip. Thank you Be safe, Take care

@aviatortrucker6285 24 дня назад

Works especially well in a tail dragger airplane. It is kind of a scary maneuver because while you’re low to the ground and you feel very uncoordinated thinking that the moment, if you stall, you’re going to spin. Without changing the pitch, airspeed will indicate lower than you normally are because of the slipstream going across the pitot tube at an angle. But as soon as you come out of the slip, your indicated airspeed will increase. The reaction is to lower the nose while in the slip and then when you straighten up, you’ll find yourself about 15 kts too fast.

@RizzAzka 3 года назад

Oh man how I wish I have an instructor like you, so much knowledge to absorb

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

You can! Check out the Skills section of our Ground School app! It’s “me in a box” getgroundschool.com

@VictoryAviation 3 года назад

Just flew again yesterday. I still can’t even master regular landings after having done over 120. Then you make this black magic look like a piece of cake 😂 I’ll definitely be working on this drill during solo practice time! What a great tool to have in the hip pocket.

@skippingguy 3 года назад

I bet it's because you need more of these kinds of exercises. I taught for 21 years; not flying, but teaching is teaching. Some who are in a position to teach just do a lot of observing. Since I started learning to fly and trying to learn from online videos, I see the same thing--some just say things like, "land straighter," or "get on the centre line." Well, that's stating the obvious, and usually no help to the student. Real teachers, like this guy, say, "Watch. I'll show you how to land straighter," or "Practice this maneuvre so you can improve getting right on centre line." Best I've seen.

@VictoryAviation 3 года назад

@@skippingguy Absolutely agree. I’ve actually completed my Instrument rating at this point and am working on my commercial. My landings have come a long way. The one maneuver that helped a bunch was banging out slow flight. Throwing that sucker in landing configuration and keeping it in slow flight for an extended period of time made all the difference in the world. On my own I plan on doing some more of these maneuvers to keep getting better and better. I almost always choose the crosswind runways to land with on purpose. If I can crank out crosswind landings all day, when it’s lined up it’s even easier.

@luv2drum19 3 года назад

I didn’t really learn how to sideslip until training for CFI. This video describes and shows it perfectly!

@kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад

I better get this down pat before I get my private pilot. That way

@RGCastro7 2 года назад

Thank you, Jason!

@chucklemasters6433 29 дней назад

the best way to teach this is to have them hold the airplane over the centerline while flying down the runway with the right amount of pitch and power to keep a level pitch attitude for good runway visibility. they learn even more with a nice little xwind thrown in! also dutch rolls an excellent old school maneuver to quickly teach aileron/rudder coordination. when i do tailwheel endorsements this is the first maneuver i teach. they are not allowed to even attempt a touchdown until they can fly a 5000 foot runway using ailerons for holding the centerline with the correct amount of opposite rudder to keep the fuselage aligned with the runway in changing wind conditions as well as staying in ground effect with pitch/power inputs.

@zacharybonugli2827 3 года назад

Very well done, thanks for the simple and clear demo/explanation

@vincentchueng1270 2 года назад

OMG! Thank you for the video, this is the best video for both forward and side slip! Thank you very much Jason!

@freepilot7732 2 года назад

Great idea. Thanks

@carolion48 2 года назад

Great videos Jason.thanks so much

@WolfPilot 3 года назад

Cool video Jason! I will definitely give give this a try! Thanks for this awesome CFI moment!

@derekroulston1977 3 года назад

Best instruction on the internet. I love trying these skills to improve now that I have completed my PPL

@richardfuller2326 3 года назад

Excellent explanation! Learn this first then cross wind becomes much easier. Wished all instructors taught this way!

@aengberg1 3 года назад

4:08 - I'm sorry. That's just beautiful. Made me feel a bit emotional.

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

🙏🏻🙌

@Kamukix 3 года назад

Fantastic demonstration and explanation 👍👍

@guido.demedici Год назад

Great demo

@cq7415 Год назад

This is good and explained well. Thanks for sharing.

@danielalbrecht8875 Год назад

Many thanks for explaining this technique 😎😎😎.

@Parr4theCourse 3 года назад

Great and "SIMPLE" explanation of the differences/similarities between forward-slip and side-slip and "application" for both!

@NGC008 3 года назад

Excellent! Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍

@jeremykemp3782 Год назад

Excellent excellent video thanks

@bplabs 2 года назад

great demo!

@08cad 3 года назад

Earned my PPL in a Citabria, small grass field, old school instructor, and forward slips were a requirement to learn/use! Also gave me a true sense of how to “fly” the plane! 😁

@Docinaplane 3 года назад

I fly a Cherokee Arrow, but I learned to fly tail wheel planes, and I use slips all the time with the Arrow. They are very useful. Thank you!

@abbieamavi 2 года назад

I love slips! I feel like they have helped improve my power off 180s, I like pairing the 2 together

@andrewwhite8833 Год назад

I needed this today on my 2nd solo. Landed centerline on the first one, left on the 2nd then right on the last landing.

@Aviatorpeck1957 2 года назад

Thank you

@bikefreakstl 3 года назад

Great Video Sir, Love It

@tdkeyes1 9 месяцев назад

My CFI was drilling me on the two slips and I really had forgotten what I had read. The next week I told him that I wanted to start practicing them. We intentionally came in high on final and performed my first really good forward slip. Burned off the altitude without gaining airspeed, straightened out for the round out and set it down. I was pumped. Next to work on the side slips!

@KetsaKunta Год назад

I didn't even know this existed but I'm glad I learned

@eduedu7986 3 года назад

awesome job explaining the difference between the two slips!!

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

🙏🏻🙌

@brianparrott7233 3 года назад

Awesome.

@hawk8263 3 года назад

Very cool.

@Noircogi 2 года назад

That runway in Byron is one of the best places around here for crosswind practice!

@karhukivi Год назад

For crosswind approaches, sideslips work best with high-wing aircraft while crabbing works best for low-wing aircraft. Forward slipping is for emergencies when you have to get into a small field but are overshooting. If it isn't an emergency you can always go-around. Gliders also use forward slip as they don't get a second chance in a similar situation. Unless you have rudder pedals, most of this doesn't work on home flight simulators.

@dale116dot7 Год назад

Forward slip can even be done on a 767 when it is out of fuel, no flaps, and coming in a bit hot and a bit high, though for the passengers it probably feels a bit odd, and the controls feel a bit heavy since the RAT also becomes less efficient during the manoeuvre. On my flight sim, I found that adding the rudder pedals made my landings much easier.

@mytech6779 3 года назад

I try to practice a bit of side slip on every landing. Figuring out that the side drift skill is the same regardless of crosswind was a game changer for me, the only variation being the amount of input. Just wish any one of my 6 instructors could have given this to me early in training rather than me figuring from youtube and careful physics consideration after 100 hours of frustration.

@GUCR44 3 года назад

Good one!

@lechstryzewski9350 3 года назад

LOVE watching you do these every time. I have been applying this method in the sim quite a bit, even doing a low approach for the entire length of the runway. The sim is much more squirrelly than the real aircraft, obviously ..... but, ... I have always said - "if you can get the procedure down in the sim then you can certainly do it live". Thanks Jason !!

@JohnVanderbeck 7 месяцев назад

Any tips for doing these in the sim? The biggest problem I find is rudder inputs always seem to sensitive in the sim.

@lechstryzewski9350 7 месяцев назад

@@JohnVanderbeck I have tried and tried to "dial in" the rudder sensitivity but can never really find the sweet spot - or - get it anywhere near how the real aircraft responds. Same goes with braking .... it's either way too much or hardly any at all. I'm curious too, if anybody else has ideas about sensitivity settings.

@UnusualAttitudes 3 года назад

Kind of funny- I use this technique to land the Bellanca Super Viking every time. That tall vertical stabilizer makes this a VERY effective technique to line that aircraft up on centerline. Great video!

@whiskeysk 2 года назад

this is brilliant! thanks a lot!

@TheFinerPoints 2 года назад

You're very welcome!

@hollyfoxThe 3 года назад

My instructor showed me a side slip to get me on the center line for my first assisted landing. It was pretty cool.

@homertalk 3 года назад

Nice!

@juanpennisi1202 3 года назад

Awesome!!

@scobun 3 года назад

That's my home airport! My favorite RU-vid channel at C83!

@jackiewindham8199 3 года назад

Enjoyed the video, my J3 will drop like an elevator in a forward slip. Who needs flaps?

@Treadstone7 2 года назад

Good instruction! I always struggled to understand the difference between forward and sideslip...

@iesikhaty 3 года назад

My flight review 2 months ago was in good crosswind; as I drifted laterally, my cfi called "track the centreline" and I immediately remembered this exercise. Managed to get back over while in the round out and just barely cross it. The trick remains mastering the timing of when to take out the slip but leave enough to fight the crosswind. This is a fantastic exercise to boost confidence in maintaining control during the landing phase. This is why I remain your patreon supporter - I owe you for the instruction lol.

@tywheeler7131 Год назад

I think this is one of your best films Jason! I didn't know you're at Nevada County. I represented the Air Force when Chuck Yeager's plane put up. Have fun!

@user-uc9ij5ub1q 3 месяца назад

Man thanks

@flygy481 3 года назад

Thx for the video. Totally missed the jam session last night, not happy! Have a good Sunday!

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

It’s up on IGTV! Was fun to hangout 🙌

@flygy481 3 года назад

@@TheFinerPoints I just turned my frown upside down! Thx so much! Will check it out when I get home from the airport 😉 Have a good one, Jason

@holyteejful 3 года назад

Nice flying ! I know Byron when I see it

@brianparrott7233 3 года назад

Solid

@fillywinks 3 года назад

Learning this technique from an earlier tfp video saved me *a lot* of grief

@goneflying140 Год назад

I use this technique in crosswind landings. You can keep the ane centered and keep the nose pointed straight down the runway. Many times I land on one tire first on the side I am pulling the ailerons to. Left crosswind = land on left main tire first.

@michaelrivera6989 Год назад

My instructor essential taught me the same thing by just saying "use aleron for sideways motion and rudder to keep the nose pointed down the runway". If you think of it this way, you'll just automatically cross control without thinking about it.

@jmitterii2 Год назад

Yeah, same. Pronounced side slip to landing would be x wind where you need to keep the one wing dipped into the wind side. It's all about using all available controls.

@rickairs551 3 года назад

Greetings from The Netherlands , btw nice cap 👍

@stevespra1 3 года назад

Terms that have always been a bit confusing because in a forward slip you present the side of the fuselage to the relative wind and fly a bit sideways while in a side slip you keep the nose pointed forward... Thanks for the help.

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

Yeah I get that for sure - the names refer to the flight path

@liquidintegrity 3 года назад

You should have shown the rudder pedals work maybe attach a underseat camera next time. Nice video!

@SVSky 3 года назад

Love side slips, if I overshoot centerline just a little bit I prefer to side slip than just to turn the plane.

@dennisnbrown 3 года назад

Great vid

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

Thank you!

@_denis.kim_ 3 года назад

We definitely need to have your app on Android as well.

@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq 11 месяцев назад

I pretty sure you got it backwards Jas. Side slip is with planes side turned towards runway and forward is keeping nose center lined. Side slip becase your going sideways at 30-40° down rnwy, forward because your pretty much pointed stright down the numbers.

@stevengarner4596 3 года назад

Wish your app was available for Android. Another great video Jason!

@davidbsac 3 года назад

Have you ever written an app for android? If you have written for android and iOS then you will know why there’s no android app. It’s a hot mess to create apps for android.

@logicturtle9838 9 месяцев назад

I'm not a pilot but this exercise made me stupendously good at landings in all wind conditions in x-plane. One thing I noticed while trying to go side-to-side repeatedly in simulation is that you have to start rolling out of the bank during the zig before you reach the target line, but you have to maintain the rudder pressure until you reach the bank angle for the return zag due to adverse yaw. Then slowly transition to opposite rudder while maintaining the bank angle. So while the slip is normally opposite rudder and aileron, changing the direction of the slip requires a bit of coordinated rudder and aileron during that transition. I'd be interested to know how much, if any, of this applies to the real world.

@KHP3333 5 месяцев назад

Your comment for a forward slip I might disagree. You said use full rudder and add aileron to keep directional control. I fly a Luscombe. I think the rudder is too effective to do it that way. I would be afraid of the terrible skid before getting enough aileron in. I have taught the same drift control for crosswind landings. Very good. A plane with less rudder authority you may get away with full rudder to start a forward slip. Let me know what you think please.

@BoomVang 3 года назад

I love forward slips and hoped with them in the title, more would be said than just a full rudder type thing. In fact you might not be able to max a rudder or not even have a tail. You may have canard, spoilerons, or whatever so lets define it in principle. All slips promote a different compass heading than path of motion through the air. A side slip keeps compass heading forward with a diagonal path of motion. A forward slip keeps a forward path of motion with a diagonal compass heading. It should be called a downward slip because that is the effect you are trying to introduce. Although I could imagine it used with backstick to only slow a no-spoiler sailplane in unusual circumstances.

@adamguymon7096 Год назад

Can you show an example and explain what the pilots did exactly step by step during the Gently Glider incident and what they did? I know that, that was done in a big jet aircraft and that normally doesn't happen in that type of aircraft but I was just curious what actually had to happen in order for that type of thing to happen in a bigger aircraft than the smaller aircraft or a glider? Can you make a video about that?

@GooberPilot 2 года назад

Hey Jason, what video is that in your intro where you’re doing a walkaround?

@norbert.kiszka 2 года назад

6:00 70 knots - quite low as for low pass and both experimenting with side-slips. I see IAS varies from 80 knots to about 65 knots. I know, land close to rwy is pretty flat, but on ground mostly its easier to flip over nose. Let me be honest, I know C172 only from X-Plane, but its pretty much the same physics and aerodynamics. Anyway, thanks for sharing and happy landings!

@mikebeuselinck6138 3 года назад

Can you please do a follow-up demo of the forward slip? Maybe at higher altitude and on approach? Only time I remember seeing you do one was on that base to final at Airventure.

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

Sure! There is a whole lesson on it in our Ground School app - (there is a free trial) www.learnthefinerpoints.com/ground-school Good memory!

@alejandrogodoy4696 3 года назад

Tips & Tricks!!! 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟

@TheFinerPoints 3 года назад

🙌

@shepheardadi4329 Год назад

While doing this exercise what key result would indicate you have mastered the precision?

@jimallen8186 Год назад

Any concerns for touching down with side loads on your gear if side slipping for lineup fixes in your flare?

@theworshiptraveler6709 3 года назад

Would be great if you used split screen with one cam out the window and one cam pointing at your pedals. Go information though.

@travelgreg48 2 года назад

Would it not help to refer to the inputs of aileron and rudder as primary and secondary? For example, in a forward slip rudder is the primary input and the aileron is the secondary. In the side slip aileron is the primary input and rudder is the secondary. Make sense?

@jchinik9786 3 года назад

I though the note was interesting about not using full flaps in a lower-powered plane so you have reduced form-drag. I have a first-year (1968) 177 Cardinal with the O-320 so it pretty low powered. I feel like 30 deg full flaps should only be used if I'm coming into a shorter field and I'm 100% committed to the landing. Otherwise if I put in full flaps and have to do a go-around, after full power application the plane doesn't really accelerate much at all immediately. When I go to 20 deg flaps the plane wants to descend a little so of course, have to hold it off the runway and it starts to accelerate then. With a little more speed I go to 10 deg flaps and can climb at Vx but that whole process takes quite a horizontal distance so it's possible I could hit trees at the end of the runway. I think the 20 deg flaps approach significantly reduces the horizontal distance to build speed back and initate climb. Thoughts on this?

@fredericklarsen3076 3 года назад

From what I remember, the POH in a 172 says that slips with full flaps are not recommended.

@joshmartin8856 2 года назад

@@fredericklarsen3076 It also says that on the flaps switch

@greggperry5502 3 года назад

What is your RPM power setting while you are drilling side slips zig zagging down the runway? You are flying a 172 in this video, correct?

@lpainter100 3 года назад

Looks like Pacheco pass area? Nice information video.

@gorgly123 3 года назад

Byron airport I believe.

@holyteejful 3 года назад

@@gorgly123 100% Byron

@madmoneymike5 11 месяцев назад

Approximately how much power is needed in a Cessna 172 while doing this low approach exercise?

@robertATC60 3 года назад

Does it matter if you have full flaps?

@manordee2291 2 года назад

Do you have an in Class ground school

@Flyboyed 3 года назад

Lining up wrong...That's like my specialty.

@DrAuthorite1 Год назад

time for video: "7:47" 747 *nice.*

@danielegrinzy5824 3 года назад

Could you use the exact opposite of what you did? I mean, to move to the left, left rudder and right aileron so to keep wings level. Why not? Nice video!

@joshmartin8856 2 года назад

Left rudder will turn your nose left. Adding a bit of right aileron will keep you from drifting left. This is a forward slip used to lose altitude on purpose. You are presenting more fuselage, creating drag, and losing lift. Not something you want to do a few feet of the ground, especially having your landing gear pointing the wrong way! The idea is to use aileron to turn towards where you want to go, and use a little bit of rudder to not let your nose turn, but to "side-step" (slip) so to speak while keeping your gear parallel with the runway.

@danielegrinzy5824 2 года назад

@@joshmartin8856 awesome, make sense😉🤙🏼

@dtsh4451 Год назад

So when you bank to the left, you hit the right rudder? I keep on digging and watching the video, trying to get the rudder selection😌

@karhukivi Год назад

In a sideslip to correct for crosswind, yes - otherwise you will start turning towards the banked wing. The plane should still be pointing straight to the runway and not turning left. A forward slip is to lose height rapidly without speeding up, usually to get into a small field that you are overshooting.