Signs The Gorosei Aren’t Human, But Demons Created By Imu 

Part of the reasoning in introducing vegapunk satellites was to show it possible for character to be part of one of single character. Gorosei being part of imu make sense

Planets are literally, by definition, "satellites" orbiting their sun. Interesting idea!

Yeah, it’s really great foreshadowing seeing Vegapunk’s satellites in the beginning of this arc with now a potential darker version of them being revealed at the end.

It's funny how you say that Imu has the ability to create Nightmares but Blackbeard can't sleep

My head cannon belief is that the 5 elders were great leaders/revolutionaries that have risen up over the past 800 years before being turned to Imu's side. It's pretty clear that they are based on famous/ infamous leaders in our real worlds past after all. Maybe after rising to a certain level of reputation and coming close to conquering the world government, they were approached by Imu with a deal. Immortality and knowledge of the void century.

Nami: the delightful kids from down the lane are attacking Luffy: Straw hats next door BATTLE STATIONS

These Gorosei has scars on their bodies, these scars means they can be damaged.

I personally think that it's much more sinister than even them being demons. I think they've done some kind of ritual where any damage they suffer gets transferred to the slaves they have up in Mariejois. Once the Strawhats realize this they wouldn't attack the gorosei anymore and would focus on escaping. They would then work on a way to sever this connection between the gorosei and the slaves in order to beat them in the final war. This is just pure headcanon and is not based on anything lol.

It’s also worth noting that there’s also a parallel with the Seraphim and Kuma’s rebellious attitude when it comes to the idea that creations will always have a free will of their own when it comes to Egghead (also Kizaru’s internal struggle despite himself believing that he’s a cog). In that sense, the Gorosei would be the thematically perfect antagonists for Egghead since they’re the only creations/subordinates so far that we’ve seen that seem to have no free will of their own and are completely obedient to their master, Imu.

They are literally the Delightful Children from Down the Lane in Codename Kids Next Door

For me, it's the way there apparently has never been a rebellion against Imu. The gorosei seem to be insanely powerful. You're telling me they are just fine serving a dictator for 800 years? Nah, this system is way too stable, Imu has complete control over the goroseis one way or another. Also, I do believe they have been alive for 800 years. People know about the existence of the Gorosei, but I'm pretty sure they don't know them individually. People probably assume once a Gorosei dies, another is appointed.

To support your point gecko moria was able to create zombies and big mom homies. If we saw a zombie or homie out of context and in a vacume we would think it's a person/object that ate a devil fruit instead of the creation of a devil fruit user

Great theory. My only doubt is that V. Nusjuro appears to have the shodai kitetsu - that, paired with his name, suggests he could be from Wano. At the very least, it suggests some individuality that may contradict this theory

It’s worth noting that, outside of the Gorosei, we’ve never seen ANY Celestial Dragon interact with or even acknowledge Imu. Not even a super high ranking Celestial Dragon like Figerland Garling.

I agree especially with the idea that the Gorosei feel really in synch with one another. When Oda introduces a group, he almost always shows differences of personality and opinions among the ones forming said group (the Tobi Roppo, the Shickibukai, the Supernovas, the Enraged Army, the Underworld brokers, the Strawhat Grand Fleet, the Admirals and so on).

To add to this theory the gorosei seem to be based on “peacemakers” in history or those who fought against injustice. Oda knows enough about history to choose dictators to represent but I think he choose those specific people because it represents the idea of a democracy corrupted like how the gorosei turn into demons. It’s possible the gorosei took their forms after people in the one piece world.

The Gorosei not being humans but demons was something I thought of as soon as Saturn made his move, it wouldn't surprise me if the devil fruit were also "beings" at one point that fought the Gorosei during the void century and lost but their wills carried on in the devil fruits.

I always thought the "immortality surgery" basically just transferred the remaining lifespan of the fruit-user to the recipient. It could be used to achieve immortality if the recipient continued to seek out new sacrifices, but it wouldn't just make them indestructible forever.

so form what I understand, the Gorosei acts as extentions of Imu, the same way other artificial races are extentions of Devil Fruit users (Homies-Big Mom/Soro Soro, Zombies-Moria/Kage Kage, and Toys-Sugar/Hobby Hobby). Hence, when they say creator, they mean Imu literally crated them through their Devil Fruit and they are parts of thier body/mind/soul.

This has to be like a FMA:B Homunculi situation no?

You missed an important detail. During Brooks timeskip the cult he was worshipped by believed in the devil. Even drawing similar magic circles. This is definitely intended and confirms the idea of hell or underworld

Gotta say I was not expecting Oda to make the gorosei like this Though it does make sense thematically as you pointed out. Also, it’s said that everything the ancient kingdom could make was better than vegapunk. So of Imu used ancient kingdom tech to make the gorosei, it makes sense that they’re a superior version who can do things like summon each other and speak telepathically from across the world

Was looking for a video to watch with food, lets go with this one

10:22 Doffy didn't have 5 seats. Rosinante was absent for many years and took Vergos place on the heart seat (Corazon) Doffy also said to Law he could be the 3rd Corazon, thus making Rosinante the 2nd on the heart seat

Your head cannon made for some top tier background noise while I cooked and did dishes. Thanks kid.

“These aren’t traditional DF powers” the azure dragon myth Zoan has five magical powers and the Gorosei are awakened on top of that. Interesting idea, but the predication of “DFs don’t work this way” just isn’t true. Anything is possible with DFs, especially Awakened mythical Zoans

Gorosei… I remember how 15 years ago I stumbled on them watching Jaya arc, and was immediately intrigued by the Ghandi design (swordsman and Zoro agenda) So much time have been passed. And in two weeks I might catch a glimpse of his egg head devil form introduction. What a time to be alive.

I came up with the same theory some days ago. I think forshadowing for that would be the Vegapunks and as you mentioned - the best contrast to the topic of dreams would be nightmares. I came up with the same thought inspired by the final Boss in The Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening. A black void that created other powerful monsters and itself can transform into different monsters from nightmares.

The Gorosei are probably using The Voice of All Things. Oda has held off on explaining or even utilizing the Voice much up until recently when we saw Luffy and Momonosuke talking during the raid. It feels like it would make sense for it to get expanded on as it becomes more relevant, which seems like it will be soon.

One thing to note, I'm pretty sure the immortality operation isn't immortality in the sense of bestowing regeneration, but rather eternal youth. Another thing about the Gorosei: keep in mind that most people haven't ever seen the Gorosei. It seems implied that they haven't left Mariejois in a long time. As such, people might have assumed it was a title. There was a theory somewhere that each of the gorosei's yokai are based on the cardinal directions (and the center), which also has some connection to the WG flag. Has to do with confucianism.

I love the way you think about One Piece Morj

0:35 we know Vegapunk doesn't understand logia. But we know Saturn does, its how he gave Bunney her powers. Thus probably Saturn has figured out how logia's heal so insanely fast, and used it on himself.

A detail in the manga: At one point when they were talking about Nika's fruit, one of the Gorosei comments on why the World Government would erase the name of Nika's fruit. The Gorosei always refer to the WG in the first person, but in this instance they refer to the WG in the third person in the past tense, as if there had been a previous generation of Gorosei.

IDK about others but Saturn is definitely a PIZZA not human after what Luffy did to him.

Y'know, now that you mention that they may not have DF powers at all, I'm reminded of something that had bothered me with Saturn's arrival on Egghead: the reveal of his Zoan transformation, without the outspoken announcement of his DF's nature. Back on Wano, Oda revealed every DF's name as their powers were revealed, and it was almost exclusively Zoans. The only notable exception was Kaido's fruit, and even then, the true reveal was that it's a mythical version of the Fish Fish Fruit; everyone and their grandmother had gathered that he could turn into a dragon. Oppose this to Saturn the Ushi-Oni, a creature that most of One Piece's westerner fandom had never heard of before, and you'd really think Oda would make a point to officially name this power. Even during the Egghead Arc, Vegapunk told his DF's name to the crew, Bluegrass told hers to Bonney, and Pomsky's only known attack is named after his DF; the only exception in this arc is Stussy, and she just so happens to be another character about who some people speculated on whether or not she does have a DF.

All of this Demon stuff happening in One Piece made me think of Black Clover of all things. Oda is turning out to be an old dog who does learn new tricks. Imagine being inspired by Oda, creating a story running in the same magazine as him, then being upstaged by your idol at your own game.

I have been thinking that the Gorosei are all awakend Zoan users whose bodies have been taken over by their fruits, just as is the case with the Impel Down jailers. And that due to the intelligence and will of the Demons that "reside" in these mythical-Zoans, the "failed" awakening doesn't result in screeching and unintelligent noise making like the jailers, but the Zoan is able to speak and act like it is human. This could also explain the odd manner in which Saturn speaks of humans, like he isn't one himself.

I think it’s very possible that Vegapunk got the idea for his satellites during his research and discovery of Imu and the gorosei

It's not an immortality surgery but no-longer-aging surgery. Meaning if you received it at an old age, you're still going to old: you're just not getting older. But old age isn't the only thing that can kill you. Maybe the Gorosei are just exceptionally durable? They're not from the Void Century, because at least Peter is in the dark of what happened then. And if they did went through Perennial Youth Operation, he would've been the first to receive it. Others had to wait for the next Ope Ope no Mi-user to learn the said ability, just as it took Luffy time to learn all the Gears from 2 to 5. 4:01 Notice that Nusjuro says "The World Goverment", rather than "we". Humans or demons, the Gorosei preceeds both the Void Century and the founding of the World Government.

I don't know how he'd work it but I'd like to see Oda pull off his own version of the Zodiac Brave story regarding the Gorosei. I like the concept of nightmare manifestations or the creation of satellite bodies as well.

Plot twist Imu is Kayuga all along where they are going to do the eye of the moon plan so that everyone goes to sleep while they create nightmares

Yo morj dont miss. I came back to this after 1111 came out and i must say. I think hes spot on

I was skeptical but this makes an incredible amount of sense, particularly the idea that emu's power brings nightmares to life

I have another explantion.... like Nika was a sun god when he dies it became a devil fruit and lufy became new Nika . what if the gorosei are actual devils that never died so they did not have to consume a devil fruit in the 1st place

I'm officially a Morj fan now. That was one hell of a good video and theory

The fact that Sabo was able to escape the gorosei is highkey impressive, on their turf too

At this point, I’m fairly convinced that most (but not all) of the Gorosei’s powers could be attributed the mythical zoan devil fruits. Granted, at least based on what we’ve seen from Saturn, these could easily be some of the most powerful zoan type devil fruits in the series, but I’m going to list all the abilities that are plausibly due to devil fruits. 1. The zoan transformation Saturns demon spider transformation is definitely a zoan ability. It’s clearly a creature which is what zoan devil fruits turn you into, and he has a very prominent cloud ribbon which is an indicator of zoan awakening 2. Regeneration Saturns powers to regenerate are plausibly due to his zoan ability. Marco has regeneration powers that are definitely due to his zoan power so there’s precedent for that. Granted, this is a very different and possibly more advanced kind of regeneration. Also, mythical zoans are known for having secondary abilities aside from just the creature transformation, and this could easily be one of them. 3. Acid venom This is definitely a zoan ability as it is consistent with the nature of spiders (some of them are very venomous). 4. Mind breaking Saturns ability to make peoples heads explode and hold them in place with his look could also be a mythical zoan ability. Now for powers that are most likely not to do with a mythical zoan fruit 1. Longevity Though it is plausible that a powerful enough demon fruit could make someone immortal, all of the gorosei are immortal so it’s less likely since that would mean all of the gorosei’s devil fruits have this ability in common (which is plausible if they are all the same subclass of devil fruit, but I find it highly unlikely). 2. Telepathy I don’t see how this could possibly be a devil fruit ability since this power seems to be only something that works amongst the Gorosei. 3. Demonic ritual teleportation This power is also unlikely to be something that is due to a devil fruit as it is something that is clearly something that all Gorosei members can do. So in summation, something that all the Gorosei can do is likely a Gorosei specific ability, whereas something that only specific members can do is likely a devil fruit ability. At this point I think it’s likely that Saturns power to turn into a yokai spider and that spiders acid venom is a devil fruit power specific to Saturn. The regeneration and ability to make peoples heads explode or freeze them in place may also be a power of Saturns devil fruit, unless the other Gorosei prove they can do those things too. Telepathy, demon rituals and teleportation is definitely a power intrinsic to whatever the Gorosei are. Vegapunk achieved cloning through science. Imu may have achieved cloning through magic. That’s an anti-parallel between the two if oda wants to make it.

If the Void century was more technologically advanced than what Egghead is, wouldn’t it make sense for even better cloning/person building like Vegapunk and Judge have done. This could explain Imu having created such human like individuals. Or the 5 of them are all clones of Celestial Dragons and not just mere creations

The Gorosei are the last Devils left that didn’t get turned into Devil Fruit

I just freaking love it when Yokai are used in a story somehow, especially like this, and even more so, I just love this freaking theory! I makes too much damn sense! Now the question is, what kind of Yokai is Imu? I still say Umibozu both because it’s ironic and scary given the original concept of Devil Fruits, but now I’m wondering if he might also be a Daidarabotchi! Either way, I am hyped! Although this does also bring up the question… given the name Devil Fruit, it’s weakness to the seas as punishment and if this theory is true… is it possible that Imu somehow is the original creator of Devil Fruits? Something to think about.

What if choppers fruit is just the human fruit and someone who wasn't human (an alien) wished to be human.

loving this

Did you consider that Imu is actually "Father", and the gorosei are actually "The Delightful Children from Down the Lane" but grown up? That’s why they want Bonney’s fruit, so that they can return to their original forms. This is why Imu looks like a silhouette all the time.

The demonic appearances of the gorosei feels like something that would exist in the world of berserk.

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Man you cooked this one

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Now that we have two instances where one character splits themselve into many I wonder if that correlates to Blackbeard being the opposite of that by being multiple in one.

There is one example of the summoning circles with brook in the timeskip when he was summoned by the devil worshipers in the cabin. but im pretty sure it was a coincedince that he was sent there by kuma and landed on the summoning circle by random.

Before the regeneration and telepathy I thought they were humans who sold their souls for weird powers. Now it seems likely they're actual demons.

yet ya were bashing me for trying to tell ya they weren't devil fruits, most op fans are so simplistic

Great video. Can you talk about why awakened zoans start looking close to what the Gorosei are with the cloud sash. Would that imply what the gorosei are , are related to what devil fruits really are?

I am just here to say the thumbnail will give me nightmares so thx for that😂

Since the Sabo scene I've said they are Imu's creations like Big Mom's homies.

Demon or just Mythical Zoans, I don't think Devon is going to be able to replicate Saturn's powers. That makes the whole scenario of how and why she'll imitate him that much more interesting and confusing.

Maybe that’s why when Saturn does his eye haki thing that blows the heads off. It’s a technique that requires someone to be afraid or something of them

I called it. Right after Saturn arrived, I made the theory that the Gorosei true forms were their yokai forms and that their human forms were their false forms based on Saturn's dialogue. I proposed that they ate the Hito Hito no Mi: Model Saturn, Mars etc.

I think time is something related to gorosei and their devil fruits. Why is it called DEVIL fruit? Does it turn the owner to a devil after a certain time with too much exposure? . Whitebeard had some unknown sickness, Roger himself have something unexplainable (did he have a devil fruit in secret?) Why dont Shanks get an devil fruit or his crew? Does he know something about the fruits due to his connection with the gorosei? Is his goal to find Nika for the Gorosei so they can cultivate the fruit and use it somehow or completely destroy it forever know that they know for sure who Nika is and they dont want the world to know?

Ok, props to the thumbnail art, the gorosei actually look demonic 🙀

That's why the darkness man (Teach) laughed at the little people (Bellamy and the towns people) for laughing at the concept of dreams whilst he himself and Luffy(the dream) were the only ones to take the concepts of dream sereously, bc they do determine life. As their current world is only proved to be the product of someone's dream, Imu(the nightmare). So joke was always on the average people all along. Because Imu wouldn't like it any other way.

It's the voice of all things that allow him to communicate telepathically

During the battle with Kaido, one of them literally asked if they had their priorities straight, dissent among the group. If I am not mistaken, they also mention their predecessors in the same conversation, saying they never managed to capture the Nika fruit.

love this idea

definitely creations as they also follow the relation to the vegapunk satellites how they are a shared entity

The gorosei created by Imu Sama Are basically the Same Like the Big five from Yu-Gi-Oh! Series, which are led by Noah, Kaiba‘s step brother. Imu is the big boss, Like Noah is in the yu-gi-oh! Series

When Imu talked about using the Motherflame a second time I do recall two of the Gorosei members not looking too thrilled about it.

That thumbnail pic is MAUD (mad) 😳😳😳😳😳😂😂😂😂😂😂

i think there a very real possibility that they are the pasafistas of the ancient kingdom. perhaps going to the extent of the hierarchy to control the planets with imu at the top as the geocentric model and nika at the top as the heliocentric model

Imagine if there exists a Cosmic energy, Which is needed to permanently erase the Gorosei. Or what if Joyboy was the natural enemy of Imu-sama? Like since his abilities surpass the limits of Science, Could it be possible that it counters Imu-sama Dark powers?

If any of the gorosei are going to rebel i think it might be topman warcury, only because as i recall, when imu said he wanted to try mother flame on lulusia, he was the only one to bring up that there a lot of people who would die

This video has a really good hint about what blackbeards third devil fruit is going to be

This is your best theory yet

the image when all gorosei are sumond its giving me the chills

glad im not the only one who started thinking this

Before watching, my guess was that the 5 elders each had got a Op op immortality operation. To me it checked out, because they each look like deferent stages in their life, and the void century was 800 years ago. So that's a lot of time and potential. That was before they where well known tho. Edit: ok, he said it within the first minute xD

7:50 i think Enel and his priests kinda had this ability to an extent

I think people are chosen to be hosts of these demons/yokai, some of these gorosei have marks like their bodies are slowly giving in as a result of being a vessel. Also, the younger looking gorosei doesn't always seem to have all the information the others do, making him look like the latest human used as a vessel. These 5 gorosei each represent one point of a pentagram used to summon the demon that houses Imu.

In the panel in 1109 where it goes back to the gorosei room, I thought there was a denden mushi on the table and Saturn was somehow talking through that

Unless they contracted to devils like the zagratas siblings in black clover When spider cow arrived he spoke about not being on the surface for a while hinting he was below somewhere the zagratas siblings were immortal and able to use their ability and the devil they contracted to ability

Personally I think Imu has something like a dream dream fruit. Can either enter dreams and alter them and once awakened can drag them out and have them do his bidding. Opens up a whole new world of powers that don’t exist in the real world cuz someone had a dream of that. It would explain the cruelty really well, infinite ammo in a sense. But I think it also explains the laser that destroys planets because all that’s needed is someone to dream of it and boom imu can now use it as a weapon.

i like the satellite concept as it centers the uniquess of imu’s fruit, but i prefer to think that the gorosei were at least human at some point so that their individual identities can be tied to the void century, maybe as heads of some of the original families that overthrew the ancient kingdom. maybe their immortality/powers come from imu, i’ve always looked at the immortality surgery as something that couldn’t have really been monopolized by the celestial dragons, because i feel like they would have kept a tighter grip on the fruit if they were able to perform it six separate times

One piece hype for life great 👍🏻 video nice 👍🏻 hype!!!!!!

maybe its related to brooks timeskip location? there was also a cult there with a magic circle

But @Mr.Morj, don’t you feel that, if this theory is true it kinda takes away from each gorosei as an individual character? Right now it feels as if we have 5 end game and mysterious characters that were build up ages ago and finally we are starting to explore them. If they are all just puppets by imu it feels as if we are missing out on the richness of the individual gorosei and what made each and everyone of them become the demon that they are now😢

I have been convinced since the pentagram summoning that wathever powers they have is not from devil fruits as we know of. at very least. incarnation of nightmares is a great guess, i was thinking of manipulation of desire or something in that line. since dfs came during the void century and they were most likely alive and must know a lot regarding the source of these powers.

When they introduced Vegapunks satellites I had the same idea of Goroseis being somehow similar to Imu as satelites to VP

In a way, they're pretty much akin to the Zombies through the Kage Kage no Mi, and the Homies through the Soru Soru no Mi. Creations through a Devil's Fruit.

They are from the void century. The 5 gorosei and Imu are all “one piece”. If egghead is an emulation of a past, and on it you have the 7 deadly sins represented. Lucifer, pride, the morning star(sun god) was the seventh.

i'd love to watch joyboys journey and to watch his loss and then rewatch one piece

1:15 maybe imu has the reanimate reanimate death no mi. and they're just undead summons