Simon Jordan & Graeme Souness LOCK HORNS Over Why There's A LACK Of Successful English Managers 😱🔥 

Thank you very much😂😂but they wouldn't accept it...

I.e Big Sam Allardice, well renowned relegation specialist

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that's an interesting fact. but i know people who are coaches and referees etc in England at lower levels and they couldn't make a living by that profession alone. so they often have to choose with a pie in the sky dream of being a football coach or get a job that will pay the bills. and lets not forget how underappreciated coaches and referees are in lower level football in the UK.... but you are right when countries strive to be the best at something it has to be done from an early age and develop people into those roles. countries with the best engineers etc have high levels of STEM graduates, this is because their education systems and society looks up on STEM as the future so people want to do it and they can make a good living do it.

@GenEF70chip well said

Spot on!!

He wouldve been victorious with England

English arrogance even to their own. Brian Clough was a top manager.

@@gerardonochie3408What was arrogant about the FA not giving the job to Clough ?

Yes he was a top manager! thanks for agreeing 🤣🤣🤣🤣@@gerardonochie3408

Well, you think that an english manager would get given the Bayern Munich job the way Kompany is? Eddie Howe isn't being chased by Bayern despite playing some of the best football in the league with Bournemouth and then Newcastle. Harry Redknapp used to have sides that played pretty football, never even got the england job, the best opportunity he got as a manager was bloody spurs, who he still took into the Champion's League knockouts.

Robins, Evatt, and others dont

2 Scottish managers actually - Fergie and Dalgliesh (Blackburn)

@@opulentwaters7939 You’re quite right; I’ve amended my list above.

How embarrassing for English, foreign owners with foreign managers and foreign mercenaries in their team's with an average of 9/11

Agreed, Howe and Potter were supposed to be the biggest hopes but they've both turned out to be mediocre at financially backed clubs. People speak negatitvely about Pep etc saying they couldn't win without being at a top club but he's at a top club because it takes a certain type of manager to be there.

@@Writeous0ne Nowadays teams win main trophies mainly Leagues are ones with most millions to spend sadly ..Unlike in Celtics day as that was a Celtic team in 67; raised from youngsters through the ranks whom all blended together like a Brotherly bond and why they conquered Europe as well as having the best manager ever could have had at that time in Jock Stein ..

Yeah from 20 or 30 miles from Celtic Pakr I think @@fishingstevie8830

@@Writeous0ne I don't think Howe has turned out to be mediocre. He got Newcastle into the Champions League well ahead of schedule and he's had one tough season following that up. They were relegation candidates under Steve Bruce two seasons ago. It takes time to build a club up.

@@ravecrab just a fluke season though, lot's of other teams were in bad form and rebuilding. He's been found out this season in the Prem and CL.

Don’t forget Sir Kenny as well!

There was something about the working class culture they were all brought up in. I think the reason there are few English managers and the demise of Scottish managers is that the working class culture that bred them has been destroyed.

I guess you conveniently missed Paisley,Fagan and Revie.And obviously can't follow a simple convo that expanded from Souness's explanation of why Paisley and Fagan couldn't/wouldn't manage in todays game

Simon triggered 😂😂😂

@@user-re9mp2nh5e did...did you just say the working class dont exist anymore? LOL

And? He is a good coach

@@jbo4547 😂

@@jbo4547 English football culture😂

@@thierryhenry674 Is pretty traditionalist, it has hardly moved beyond the 80s - it´s only because of the foreign influx that the play has improved significantly.

Grow up, Mark Robins, Ian Evatt, etc prove you wrong

Irritating how talksport get simple facts wrong when all the information is there at their fingertips.

Howard Wilkinson was the last to win a League title in England, 1992

@@Contextualiser16-tn8nd Meaning that no English manager has ever won the Premier League. In fact the Premier League has been won by only 11 different managers and the statistics read like this: Italy 4 Scotland 2 France 1 Portugal 1 Chile 1 Spain 1 Germany 1

Id prefer the order to be in how many those countries have won between them ​@@damienabbott9805

Wasn't Fagan Irish?

Sounness is loved in Istanbul - Galatasaray

Won what ?

@@leepatrick9432 he won the UEFA European cup didn’t he?

@@leepatrick9432 yea I just googled it and he won the UEFA Cup with Ipswich. I watched a RU-vid video about him and that’s how I remembered it. (American)

@@rLxJake No he won the UEFA cup,they clearly said European cup/ Champions league.And what is (American) supposed to indicate ?

@@leepatrick9432 that I don’t have a 60 year history of football completely grasped. For example I thought the UEFA Cup was the predecessor of champions league. Like the premier league is to the English football pyramid.

Dont forget sir kenny as well! 😂

Is what Arteta showed, you only have to watch the amazon documentary on this. It's why I still say Arsene is better than Pep. And.also why I claim fergie is biggest myth and.fraud. He just had refs and.fa in his pocket. His playing style was just always rough and aggressive, they got away with fouls that way.

Terry Venables and Bobbie Robson both managed Barcelona and England. They were the 2 last great English managers. Kevin Keegan almost did it with Newcastle. Southgate deserves credit however. 1 Semi and 1 Final.

I think you were going in the right direction. The European ban closed off English managers in their own little pool. While the rest of Europe was exchanging ideas and evolving tactically, England stagnated in the old '4-4-2 kick the ball upfield'. It has nothing to do with theatrics. It's tactical and it takes time to change.

@@antoniobrandao7139It helps when a team can employ tactics knowing the ref will give a foul at the slightest contact. It allowed the development of technical coaches and players to operate with more freedom and incorporate 'tactical' use of the rules and stricter officiating to their advantage without being out-muscled and bullied so much . Which benefited the Latin teams who have always been more adept and cute in manipulating officials on the pitch. Not a criticism, it's a skill in itself which they mastered along with the technical skills.

@@antoniobrandao7139 Liverpool definitely didn't play that style in the late 80s, they were one of the best teams in Europe but banned. They could easily have won a European Cup.

@@AlexOjideagu2 sure. Liverpool and maybe a couple of other teams did play a more evolved kind of football but the archetypical English football at the time was the 'kick and rush' which lingered until the 90s save some exceptions.

You mean Brendan Rodgers? Yeah he ain't English

@@jackdelacey2505 My Bad 😂

They are only given poisoned chalice jobs or transactional teams and no big spending...... and they have to turn it around in record time

@@italianplastic23 isnt that also contributed to by some poor decision making, there could be an argument that Graham Potter was given a fair chance @ Brighton chose to go to Chelsea who have a revolving door for managers, foreign or otherwise, Steve G was given a budget 3 times than Emery in a short period of time , Frank Lampard had 15 points in 20 matches when he got the sack @ Everton , don’t think in football it’s not always that black & white sometimes decision are taken with clubs longevity & best interest @ heart

@@nickmtalie4252 poor decision to take those jobs at those times.... Brighton/villa are nothing ...Chelsea transitional...Villas boas did just as bad a job and that was never a smear on Spanish managers. lamp/Gerard were toe dipping' young managers from the golden generation....no one from the wag culture era was ever going to make a good manager. you cant hold them as representations of all English managers

Potter did a fantastic job at Brighton. Arteta clung to his job by his fingernails

@@joecarmody5544 Potter was fantastic at Brighton, but flopped at Chelsea. Arteta is currently doing a great job at Arsenal despite it being his first job as manager. Gary O'Neil is doing a magnificent job at Wolves as well despite being very young. Many managers get fired from their jobs, it's just the nature of the beast that is football, but there just aren't enough English managers that have been able to win anything neither here in England nor abroad in other countries, and that is the reality. It's not that they aren't given chances

​@@fady02would've been interesting had potter been given longer than five minutes at Chelsea

Southgate will be the next United manager and get them relegated

@andypandy4607 Would a got Chelsea relegated

Hoddle was very good its a shame he didnt get another crack at it.

​ @happyapple4269 hoddle is awful. the way he speaks about the game on champions league commentary is so basic and limited, but he's not any different to the rest. on average, english people just don't understand the game very much.

Hoddle was Okay he said stuff that media pcs hates, although tbh Hoddle shouldn't have said it.

Howe is not elite.

is pep given time to fail?

@habibisimon-nb3kk so? I can't make my own comment?

@@paulorganisation1 not yet but he might become elite

@@EdwinOngKeatMeng tbh honest Pep is possibly one of the exceptions, but he is not just a elite manager, he is probably one of the best manager ever to exist

The problem is we have an anti-intellectual culture in this country. Football is mostly played and watched by the kind of lads who used to say you were "gay" at school if you actually did your work. We praise "straight talking" pundits like Roy Keane or Graeme Souness who can't analyse tactics and just moan that players aren't running or tackling hard enough. We treat tactics like some suspicious foreign nonsense. Being an elite football manager is actually not simple. The modern game is tactically complex and you need to be smart and analytical to coach it. So we have to import that knowledge from countries with better footballing cultures.

@@ravecrab Agreed. I think that is changing a bit but the change is quite slow.

The problem is, these English managers, did they ever played for or learned from a modern tactician? English managers don’t believe that TACTICS is at least 90% of what it matters. They don’t have a step by step methodic approach. They can’t micromanage every positioning and movements of their players like a chess game. They park the bus. They are boring, direct and defensive. They prefer physical, athletic, hardworking players, rather than skillful, technical, creative players with good teamwork. England fans are risk averse, they reject any modern ideology. They don’t think of taking more risks, playing less defensive capable attacking profile players to outscore their opponents. Instead, they cheer when they make a good tackle.

McKenna isn’t even English

Carrick the bottle job at middlesborough😂😂😂😂

Souness comes from a tradition up here that would tell you Scots are just far-north English people.

Souness sold his soul to the Sun newspaper , ruined his Liverpool legacy tbh , guy was a terrible manager too, plenty clubs gave him by the standard of the time huge funds and bought Mark Walters.

@@samhamad5239 Oh look , a yes voter who wants Scotland to be independent

Ermmm you were more than happy to call Sir Alex a british manager when suited.

​@@user-qx3eb2jx1pI mean duh..... Anyone with a pinch of Self esteem & Respect towards oneself Voted for Independence. Why would anyone Want to be Associated with the monarchy Butler Boot Obedience.

Roy hodgson Mc claren Allardyce

NO it's because the Spanish FA invested heavily in the development of young coaches. If you invest well you will see the benefits

Apart from Pep, I'm struggling to think of too many TOP successful Spanish managers...?

Luis Enriquez, de bosque, emery

@@Geohillierneo Currently you have Unai Emery, Xabi Alonso, Luis Enrique, Pep and Arteta doing very well

@@Geohillierneo There is a far greater number of very good Spanish managers than English managers. Just look at the UCL quarter final managers for an example

That was a Scottish manager…?!?!

He is clueless😂 “Our people were the best mathematicians in the Stone Age. We could do addition and multiplication. Nothing has changed through the years. Why are our people not the best scientists in the modern world?”

What did he say that suggested he can't understand styles and tactics change ?

When managing Benfica, Souness released Deco because he thought he didn't have the physicality to become a top player and prefered to bring an old Michael Thomas because he was built like a tractor. There lies part of the problem with English (British) managers in a nutshell. :)

At not one time has 'tactics changed' been an excuse to drop a certain type of person out of a sport. football is not fashion and never before has every team had to conform to the same tactic or else ....like snobs seem to think should happen any decent moment in these modern day chess games come when a team breaks out of their tactic and goes for it. money won those leagues anyway.

@@antoniobrandao7139 And Wenger wanted Zlatan to have a trial.There are numerous cases where players that went on to have a great career were let go,rejected at the outset For the same reasons Souness gave and by managers/coaches of every nationality.Nice try though

Then you don't listen often enough.

But your country doesn’t produce top managers, it hasn’t done so now for decades

The gap between English managers and foreign managers is vast. Graham Potter was a promising manager and got exposed at Chelsea. Eddie Howe is most likely on his way out of Newcastle as he can't get the team to perform. Gerard couldn't have flopped harder, and Emery showed him up big time when he took over at Villa. It's not that English managers aren't being given a chance, it's that they don't take their chances

Don't think he meant their English is better 😂

But what’s he doing now

@@tevildo45 The best he can with the most injury hit team in the whole of the UK.

So the two who supposedly 'broke that bubble' were also the two backed by billionaires with endless pits of money to throw at their teams? OK, hun.

@@futurez12 What are you on about? Wasn't MUFC outspending most clubs, especially EPL clubs. In fact, Del Bosque won multiple CL with a broke Real Madrid & Raul. Only after Perez became president did he get sacked & galactico era started, won only 1 CL.

​@@decode3667the team in 2000 had Redondo anelka r Carlos and McMananam, the 2002 team had Carlos Figo Zidane a good portion of the galaticos and del bosque was sacked in 2003

@@pjduff7577 From 1998 to 2002, most of the team was cheap players & academy players, only few were known super stars. After 2002, Perez prioritized galacticos to make Real Madrid a financial brand monster, which ruined the balance of the team but they won 1 CL & multiple league titles. Again, Del Bosque never gets mentioned in the same level as Ferguson. That's my point, Fergie is a bit overrated & over hyped.

@@futurez12Mourinho won Champions League and League titles in Portugal with Porto, and then again with Inter Milan! Which billionaires were backing those teams at the level of Abramovich and City? Relax

So why don’t they go abroad and take European jobs to work themselves up?

Chelsea gave Lampard a chance twice and he bottled it, potter bottled it. Hodgson bottled his chance at Liverpool.

​@@tevildo45the biggest bottler in this list should be gerrard. Took a good Aston villa side into a relegation scrap last season, and the way unai emery turned things has been unbelievable.

@@fangdog29It's a stupid term to use,but if you want to say bottler.Then it would be a choice between the 3 that inherited better squads than Gerrard

​@@ayoa.o.9966this hits the issue on the head in my opinion. The reason English managers don't develop is because they don't go abroad to learn their craft. Meanwhile, all the Spanish, French, Italian, German managers are willing to go away to learn their trade. The English have stagnated by choice. Managers from other leagues also put their egos in check and start in lower divisions and work up, like Ancelotti, Conte etc. Meanwhile, in England you have Sol Campbell complaining about not getting Prem offers when he has no managerial CV 😂

Yeah and pep wouldnt do anything at west brom or luton without billions

@@italianplastic23 We don't know that for sure, he wouldn't win things we can say that. He'd play in a way though & build, where he'd probably get a bigger job as Pochettino & Rodgers did.

Moyes is from Scotland, not England, the discussion is about English coaches.

@@gule55 wtf is Souness talking about Jock Stein for then? I thought it was British managers 🤦🏽‍♂️

no, the problem is english people just dont understand the game as much as other europeans.

@@abody499yeah totally there’s no deluded Real, Barca, Milan or Juve fans 😂 honestly the cognitive dissonance in the comments section on here is amazing 🤦🏻

​ @jamesbothoms6009 you have never had an original thought in ur life. this is exactly why what i said is true. neither delusion nor cognitive dissonance has any relevance to what i said. ur just parroting terms you've seen someone else parrot with no idea what they mean. this is england.

That's one of the reasons people rate Pep higher than him

On the other hand you have managers trying to play the “Pep way” without having the players to do it and end up getting pumped left and right. I know, my team is one of them!!

@Adi-Dassler maybe they should try the Fergie way, the jose way, the Wenger way? Why hasn't anyone adopted anything from these guys ? . Arsenal, Brighton, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Brighton all play his style. United have nothing, so they are trying to copy everything City, That's the leagues top 8 clubs. Barring liverpools Gegenpressing employed by klopp, they all play a version of Peps style. English Players will only get technically better, and English coaches will have to develop tactically with the times.

@@rakimrobinsonMCFC I was more referring to much lower levels. My team --Dundee United, are now relegated and playing some of the most boring tippy tappy, out from the back stuff I've seen during my lifetime. Whether that's inspired by Guardiola or not you would have to ask the coach.

@Adi-Dassler it looks like that now because it's not the English kick and run, rugby football that they're used to. It will take time for the players to develop...It is a shift in English footballing philosophy.

How do you train managers ? 🤣🤣🤣 clough and Fergie hardly ever took training, klopp was a very mediocre player and jose was he ever a player ,you either have it or you don't, yes you can be a great coach but it doesn't make you a great manager, there are exceptions of course

Because they are poor.

Who and where are these English managers? Can you say who the top 5 English managers are right now? Howe, Dyche, O'Neil, Wilder and Southgate. It's a list of mediocre to average at best managers.

@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693- calm down chum, it wasn't a complaint, just an observation

Why would they hire relegation level managers if they want to win the league???? Gerrard Lampard Rooney have failed and are clueless, yet these are elite footballers who played under great managers and played with amazing foreign players! Xabi played with Gerrard in midfield, yet look at what he is doing at Leverkusen, Xavi already won Laliga, Arteta FA Cup and is competing for league now 2yrs running! Which English managers have the quality to Lead Chelsea Liverpool United Arsenal to win trophies? Zero

​@ivanaleksandartsanev16Are we talking about the very same G Southgate, a "top" English manager who specialized in getting teams relegated?

Correct. Ron Saunders was English having won the 81 league title

no they don't.......the pool of English players has drastically depleted and what's left has been shoehorned into defensive positions/ water carriers...all the ugly positions which in turn makes ppl think England's style is ugly if you forget about technique and the cloned academized way that player's of today control, receive and pass that yall 'wow at'......only harry kane breaks into a 90's England team. England used to produce 3 or 4 different types of wingers ....same with mids/ strikers....and they are all gone....the assembly line got shut down and all that's allowed to be exist are 'ambassador roll players' like grealish and Henderson. its the equivalent of only having Dennis wise to pick from in the 90s. They replaced English keepers coz they cant play out from back ! ...which 1. they can ....2. you see more errors then ever with todays keepers playing out from back and what's the point of winning if u cant do it yourself

1992😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Howard Wilkinson with Leeds