Simple VS Complex Drums (ft. Brooks Wackerman A7X) 

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I think they’re both good, My personal opinion, I would do the simplistic part with Brooks Trashy Cymbals to give it more power.

I like the complex one better. I wish the guitars and bass had been cut lower though so we could more clearly hear the drums.

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Nothing can ever replace the Rev but he will do. RIP

Killjøy Clique he’s got that same style by playing off beat clean rhythms

Pure talent and a lifetime of practice dudes a true master of the instrument

@@billiejoeeyelash hes not replacing hes simply tag teaming in while the rev rests

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Arin > brook

@@idhamnnn no

@@idhamnnn soft disagree

Eyyy eyyy ..i need power ..not modification

For real. Brooks has a great playing style for a7x

@@ripvanwinkle1639 Imagine both of them playing together. If they dont, we riot

@@dkd7670 unless they divide parts that wouldn't be a good idea

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@@AshleyAllysia dang it

Well said

Exactly. This also applies to basically every instrument.

Well said x2

Someone did a video comparing Ringo Starr's drumming which in itself was "simple" but how he knew exactly how to make it fit the song vs complexity and how it can take away from it. Knowing the difference is what makes a good drummer great.

exactly, by having the simple one come first before the complex one, it made the song sounds fuller and if we didn't pay attention to the video it does sounds like a proper transition as a single music instead of a comparison

that would be my birthday

Yes

This would be just awesome!

Got him

Perfect idea

Exactly

As a musician, your priority is to do justice to the track. Drumnastics aren't always appropriate.

So basically it needs balance

How Switzerland of you

I'm from Russia, and it's hard to say to me. My English is not very impressive, but you expressed my opinion. Thank you)

It’s very melodic and musical. It’s not just rhythms but playing with the sounds and tones to create what are essentially melodies.

It sounds sweeter because his kicks are so solid

@@nathanlawrence656 it's Brooks we r talking about man!

@@Sobitachi The king of punk and now a destroyer of prog. What can't this man do? And yes, he is the KING of punk. Above Barker. Barker's amazing too, but Brooks somehow manages to play perfectly clean like a drum machine while maintaining groove. There's no weirdness.

@@xfrostyresonance8614 Brooks is technically so advanced.. the wrist control and everything is just perfect..

This.

I've always felt that simple vs complexity comes down to what the song is intended to do. If it's intended to just make you want to move, simplicity is where it's at. I mean, just a basic four on the floor beat works wonders in just making someone tap their foot, or bob their head, or move in any way. I guess that's why pop music tends to be simple, it's just meant to dance to. But music that is meant to be *listened* to is when you want complexity. The music that makes you have to think about what you're hearing. Neither is inherently worse than the other, they just have different applications. Obviously, it's possible to combine these with the right mind set / skill, but just as a generalization.

Next up: Animals as Leaders song with some standard Rock drums and some Rock song with Animals as Leaders style drums. Woud be funny to hear and would really give you an example of what the drum beat does to the music.

Brooks is the man! His brother Chad might be even better

Brooks Wackerman was the drummer for Bad Religion, a band that A7X has admitted to listening to a lot and taking some influence from OFC he kicks some ass

you meant matt shadows? lol

@@ilkrsrc081 no, he did a lot of videos with Matt Heafy from trivium a while back

He even played with Trivium during their european tour.

It must have been matts new signature double strap..... Because nothing is more metal than saying im a bigger pussy than anyone else has been over the lifetime of the electric guitar... Guitarists are such pussies. Bitch pick up an ernie ball, play for an hour and tell me your cute little less paul is "too heavy".

@@drew9584 wtf are u even ranting about, u came up with this whole scenario in ur head, Jesus Christ. What are u ranting about no one even brought up any point in ur rant at all lol. U must have been holding that in for so long it finally exploded haha. PS I Love heavy guitars because they sound thicker and fuller

Exactly, people think complex usually just means fast and hard. Sometimes you hear something that isn’t necessarily expert level but the creativeness of it and the way it switches the sound is just incredible.

You can't beat the drumlines from Beast and the Harlot.. You just can't.. 😪

@@jrowland6717 City of evil itself is just too good to beat.

@@LilyRose-rp5dm the stage is just as good guys

R.I.P. 😢😢

What?? Respect to my man jimmy but drum line in the beast & the harlot is a generic double bass drumline...the stage is a7x most techincal album they ever released. Skill wise brooks is way better than jimmy, but i always choose jimmy over brooks not because the skill but the emotional attachment

Agreed

Definitely

Exactly. There are always parts where what the guitarist is doing is more important than what the drummer is doing. Each person knowing when they should come in with something more complex or simple is what makes or breaks a band's sound. If every one is just doing super complex, highly technical stuff all at once, it's hard to pay attention to what's going on, which ultimately detracts from the overall sound of the song.

Can't agree more!

True

Ye

I liked both. Then again, I like progressive metal. I like the simple beat, then the complex one. Then, I like a different simple beat and a different complex one. It kept progressing. All that was missing was 5 minutes of guitar noodling...

Really

Also, the simple beats don't change the feel of a riff nearly as much as a complex drum pattern will.

I completely agree. Both sound great in their own respect.

I was the same thing. Has a lot of Brann Dailor from Mastodon vibes.

Listen to rush

Listen to Liquid Tension

@@woodenhoe listen to Porcupine Tree

Rev and brooks come back and do a dual drum battle with dines. Itd be so sickkk

@@Yigzdrums rev is dead :(

Deck O'Donnel rev has been dead for like ten years. Wym

@@jakerochelle1484 He is not dead he is just in the woods

@@luigialexander3781 true and when he comes back he gunna be the knife master

Yeah this sums it up perfectly tbh

Yea I think a mixture of both is the better than one of them only

Yess, exactly

I think that a mix gives the track the feel of breathing. The Simple lets the guitars shine and the Complex brings an energy and sense of urgency to ths mix. Very well done.

Kevin O'Quinn agreed!! With the some of the transitions from complex to tech and vice versa there were moments where it felt natural to go in that direction. What i did like about both was the change in tempo and both had breaks and fills that built it up and brung it down to headbang along to 🤘 great work from both!! 🥁

Literlly my exact thoughts

Yes for reall

Facts

fuck yeah

Yes

Yeah i like this one...

truer words have never been spoken.

I have to agree 100%!

Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.

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hell yeah. never could have said it better

Too complex

@@kagwaiverqrst2248 Yet...too simple? XP

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Cardboard Silver it’s fit with the track as well :D

That' s why is trivial

This

Simple flows with the music but the music flows with the complex

The whole point of the complex is to not only flow with the music but to add it's own properties. Complex is great if it's done correctly, otherwise it'll just sound like it doesn't fit, or it'll take attention away from other elements of the song

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Pat Libsoraled I feel stupid for laughing at this

that's true, I was the air cut by the flying drumstick

that's true, i was the drumstick

@@baekksong3970 yes I confirm, I was the truth

I agree 100%. As a drummer myself I follow a rule of k.i.s.s. keep it simple stupid.

Agreed

Yeah agree too.

Exactly what I was going to write!

Musician's in general have to remember to make everything not so busy. Space is always a must.

and rob scallon as well

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I think it's the best example to show how both are needed to add complexity to a song without overloading it with detail

@@marjacu3809 agreed

agree

lars simpol

well then it’d just be boring, that double bass does wonders

Simple is different than basic because no disrespect to AC/DC but they use a simple rock beat

Lmao

@@Seiryuu03 I think you're seriously underestimating how much harder that process was in those days. Things you can throw together in a DAW in thirty minutes could sometimes take three or four days. It just wasn't viable when you could mic things up and play and get the whole song recorded in a day or two rather than one section of a drum loop in three or four.

I really love how he also has that The Rev vibe of making it look so easy.

So true

Oh oh someone's in trouble

@@jrmcrlmorales He makes it look ALMOST EASY. Sorry I will leave now.

The Ravi Shankar effect.

Lol that's kind of exactly what I always do when showing off in front of a group of people.

Definitely agree. I think it sounds really good too.

The respect of other drummers, maybe, but maybe not the respect of your band mates.

Even better write complex Drum parts that don't rely on straight double bass and fills. Incorporate Jazz High hat parts, polyrythms, and african tom beats. Bonus if you can play rudiments on bass drum instead of the typical metal double bass.

@@matthewd6306 Both ways are fine. I like playing both simple and more complex drum parts. Most important to play to the song. Personally, I typically only use double bass for fills or extra flavor

He also ruled it on Suicidal Tendencies Six The Hard Way.

Yesss I can’t get enough of that

It is though. Simplicity vs Technicality has always been an argument.

@@levibeam100 i think a mixture of both can do wonders for a song, you can amplify a section of a song that needs it and keep it simple for parts that are good enough on their own

Not entirely true, sometimes over complicating it makes it sounds worse or takes away from the song

@@Xxfishman058xX_chad Well he did.

Sometimes less is more, sometimes more is more, it depend on the context

all of his brothers and father are also drummers, making him even more destined.

How do you play drums? "Whack er, man"

Or a gardener.

Even a Ninja What are you saying 😂😂😂

@@randomuser-vs3oe Two of three brothers are drummers. One is a bassist.

Bruh u was thinking the exact same thing lol

He was like "Wait, I thought you asked ME to do the simple parts."

Brooks was a good fit for a7x because he and the Rev both have a kinda non conventional approach to their rhythms but Brooks and Jimmy are still booth totally unique

A good transition back and forth from simple to complex would of really been insane. I prefer to keep things simple though

Somewhere right in the middle, flair is good in moderation and it makes things interesting , but too much can take away from that essential rhythmic foundation. The simple drumming had a very easily identifiable pulse, but it can get boring pretty quick. A combination of the two would be interesting while still retaining utility.

You should RU-vid search Terry Bozzio. Honestly he makes Neil Peart from Rush look like a chump.

Couldn't agree more. Brooks fits so perfectly. Still miss the rev though. Miss his vocals and creativity.

Jimmy also sang vocals and played a various amount of instruments. He also wrote some of their best songs. I may miss him dearly because he was taken from us so early but I'm happy they found Brooks, The dude's a beast!

Saw them shortly after Brooks joined, and I was floored. He’s doing a stellar job and his sound meshes so well

No love for Mike Portnoy?

@@blakeunderwood1075 tbh portnoy would fits really well with a7x, brooks were okay,but portnoy on nightmare album for me was much better than brooks on their latest album. just my opinion though

It's for visual apeal. If you play a simple beat and don't move it's not as effective visually. Most drummers do it.

When you play slow beats, usually people use arms. When you get to some faster stuff, u should be using wrists.

@Hanafi Ariffin no problem!

@Hanafi Ariffin And if u play ever faster, you would be using fingers, but that takes a lot of practice.

Brooks is so soft, I like it

Probably he improvised and muscle memory took over

Rather coincidental since Portnoy played on Nightmare

Or at least the drum track, but yea

Haha, exactly what I was thinking. Portnoy has always been amazing at combining complex parts with simpler parts to form a more complete whole.

Jared theater

More like Oceans ate alaska or something

I also like their use of contra melody at slow but also when then it picks up quickly and its still melody and a contra melody and then when drums are just equally as complex it's just an eargasm a lot times I don't even think how are they doing that I just sit back and enjoy.

Syn alone would demolish everyone else

Slxxpy Kxrma Except Angel Vivaldi. You don’t beat Angel Vivaldi.

@Ashish Gupta Synyster Gates - A7x's main guitarist

I 1000% agree with this

Have him get zacky as well and they can play together at the same time

aidan l - omg imagine 🥰

@Blake Houle Nope.

@Blake Houle yes.

OH my yes.

Truth

That's what makes Wackerman such a great drummer, in my opinion

Well they have a thing for taking drummers from their favorite bands (dream theatre,confide and bad religion) since he passed

Aziz Arzad i like what you did with that hashtag homie #REZpect

Meant to say revspect haha

Jimmy still needs to come back as the knife master... foREVer 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

#foREVer

Adam Rapley fortnite suckksssssss

@@goodvibesonly2080 Whitechapel suckkkssss.

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@@goodvibesonly2080 yep

LMAO dont fear the reaper man

*03/5

0.5/10 no cowbell

I’ve got a fever

@@absoluteforehead8071 What's the prescription you need?

Pretty sure one of them was Holdsworths drummer

Dane Presley oh u know ur fusion. and that was Chad.

Zappa too. The the list is actually very long for Brooks, Chad and John.

They are quite accomplished and extremely talented

Michael Comminos u just schooled me cause i didn’t know there was a John Wackerman

Allow me to introduce you to Sebastian Lanser or Hannes Grossman.

Mostly felt the same, but some parts were nicer with the complexity involved. So it's all about if the song is suited for complexity or not and kinda why this video makes a fairly poor point tbh

Exactly

The riffage in here is level 1 crook

I agree dude

Simple drums are the best for this song here

HAHA! Lars was buried alive by the beast and the harlot to the afterlife like a rock, like a planet, like a fucking atom boooomb

😁😂

Lmao have you even seen Lars Ulrich cover dream theater's metropolis?

Always the one idiot with the Lars comment. Shut up

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TheRedLester 22 I think so as well. Event though my music is more electronic, some concepts always relate

Was looking for this!

I agree

Complex builds tension and simple releases.

Completely agree. Exactly what I was thinking

Agreed. I liked elements of the complex, but could only take a song or two before needing a breather. The simple is a good constant head banger that I would feel fine listening to for hours on end.

Tbh I gave points to each beat, and it came 4-5 in prefernce and this kinda says that its good to have some fills and complex beats besides a simple catchy beat.

Nick Macik Brooks is a great groovy drummer and A7x's music sounds great because of it, man ..

Exactly... although this now begs the question: Which genre is better????

Lane Neece as much as I love Jared Gates would massacre him

Skylar Gibson true but it would be fun

That's bat country transition, you can hear it in the end of bat country - at that ballad part right after "my vision is so unclear"

#Accurate

Mr. Panda so I wasn’t the only one who screamed?

But can he play lateralus?

Sounds like

@@demonguysayshi2666 guarantee he can

DemonGuysaysHi Better drummer than Danny Carey imo

@@ExcaliberHD AAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

The Rev will always be the best Aveneged drummer though

@@TheFreekill17 Not really bud. The best drummer to ever sit behind a kit for Avenged was Portnoy.

@@DerrickRG portnoy is a fuckin God but The Rev always glued the tracks together *perfectly*

@@DerrickRG all my opinion though, bud.

Brooks is better than the rev and portnoy. Portnoy is one of the most overrated drummers of all time, if you think he’s the best you haven’t heard many prog drummers. Go lookup mike portnoy vs billy Rymer drum battle, Billy rymer straight up embarrasses Portnoy.

I know! God damn is one of the best songs ever

@@xforever923 the drums on that song are crazy.

HazardGamingHG its not, but ok

@@monzxsa So you're a percussionist now?

singningwongho what was i before?

my favorite part, too :)

made better by the drop back to a simple beat. anyone who argues purely for one or the other misses the point of variety!

William Machado just wanted to write exactly that 👍😄

@@compulsive_curiosity Of course, but this part stood out as a perfect example of what complexity coupled with great musicality can achieve, even taken out of context and just heard on its own, this part still shines as an incredible and mature musical statement. Obviously this section is creating tension that will be resolved with the drop, Brooks understands that and enhanced the tension to its absolutely highest point before the 'drop', the drop wouldn't feel so good if the tension part wasn't so expertly done (and vice versa as you state), so both parts are working together.

Spud Magnum..... agreed. Like this tune with the simple stuff better...