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Simplifying an Algebraic Expression 

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@loneranger4282
@loneranger4282 3 года назад
wow, that was a really nice problem!
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
I think so too!
@vikramvilla
@vikramvilla 3 года назад
It depends on the purpose of the qn. If, its an objective or a quiz, u can simply put the convenient values of x,y and z.. say 1, -1 and 0. If the question demands solving the expression, then this video is a perfect approach. Hats off!
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you!
@nuranichandra2177
@nuranichandra2177 3 года назад
Another gem of an algebraic expression that simplifies so elegantly.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Yes it is!
@snejpu2508
@snejpu2508 3 года назад
Wow, an answer is actually not an expression, but a number 1/2. To keep the long story short, the point of this excercise is squaring 3-element expressions: x+y+z, x^2+y^2+z^2 and xy+yz+xz. The fact that x+y+z=0 is also necessary for some simplifications. Actually, if it wasn't 0 but some other number, this whole thing wouldn't simplify that nicely and our final result might not be just a number, but some expression. Well created.
@Biblapghosh
@Biblapghosh 3 года назад
You are right
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you!
@alejandrolagunes5697
@alejandrolagunes5697 3 года назад
Such an elegant solution!
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you!
@inceptionmath8565
@inceptionmath8565 3 года назад
In this video when you find the value of x^4+y^4+z^4=... Then ,if you added and substract x^4+y^4+z^4 you get the answer in next line but still you are good
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Oh, good!
@pwmiles56
@pwmiles56 2 года назад
This is from the Newton-Girard identities for symmetric polynomials. The relevant identities are E1*P1-E0*P2 = 2*E2 E3*P1-E2*P2+E1*P3-E0*P4 = 4*E4 In which E0=1 E1=P1=x+y+z E2=xy+yz+zx E4=0 P2=x^2+y^2+z^2 P4=x^4+y^4+z^4 In this case E1=P1=0 Hence -P2 = 2*E2 -E2*P2-P4 = 0 And P2^2/2 = P4 P4/P2^2 = 1/2
@echandler
@echandler 3 года назад
Another example of the power of (elementary) symmetric polynomials. Then you express (p₂)² = (x²+y²+z²)² in two different ways. Very nice! = x²+y²+z² in two different wa
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@wildanali9989
@wildanali9989 3 года назад
Finally, I can find the answer, before watching your videos. Good job master
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you for the kind words!
@wildanali9989
@wildanali9989 3 года назад
@@SyberMath I love math very much
@sssh024
@sssh024 3 года назад
x=k,y=-k,z=0 that satisfies the condition. then substitute in. it should get the same result.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Nice!
@federicopagano6590
@federicopagano6590 3 года назад
1/2 mentally u just set x=1 y=0 and z=-1 ans u put into the second expression. There is more information implicit in the problem because u know before hand that the result is a number that must hold on for any values of x y and z so u pick the most easy x=1 y=0 z=-1 for example
@prashantkaushik1079
@prashantkaushik1079 3 года назад
Initially I thought why ain't we simply assume x=1,y=w,z=w^2...then looked at the expression and used certain limiting values and got the ans. What about it then
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Wow! That's so complex! 😁
@md2perpe
@md2perpe 3 года назад
... except when x = y = z = 0.
@WillCummingsvideos
@WillCummingsvideos 3 года назад
lim_(x,y,z)->(0,0,0) ?
@md2perpe
@md2perpe 3 года назад
@@WillCummingsvideos The limit is certainly defined. The original expression is however not defined at x = y = z = 0. But since the limit is defined, this singularity is removable.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Good points!
@NavneetTM
@NavneetTM 3 года назад
I am from India🇮🇳 I always watching your algebric prblm ☺
@dusscode
@dusscode 3 года назад
Could you tell us your setup for making these videos?
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
iPad screen recording and notability
@aliasgharheidaritabar9128
@aliasgharheidaritabar9128 3 года назад
Very fun math videos .tx.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
You are welcome!
@tonyhaddad1394
@tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад
Great problem !!!!!! Good job
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you!
@nicogehren6566
@nicogehren6566 3 года назад
nice question sir thank u
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
So nice of you
@kcru240
@kcru240 3 года назад
I wonder if there is a simple symmetry argument to see the solution must just be a number without actually doing any work. You sort of mentioned that the answer must be a number but you didn't go into detail why that is, so I am wondering how one would know beforehand.
@dakshalagari8412
@dakshalagari8412 3 года назад
Nice equation Beautiful
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thank you very much
@otakurocklee
@otakurocklee 3 года назад
Nice problem! An aside question... is there some simple way to demonstrate that the expression simplifies to a constant? Then it is justifiable to just substitute an arbitrary (x,y,z) such that x+y+z=0.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
I don't think there is but I could be wrong
@BP-gn2cl
@BP-gn2cl 3 года назад
U can put x=1, y=-1 and z=0 and u will get the answer instant.
@BP-gn2cl
@BP-gn2cl 3 года назад
@Aletak 13 if it is not must to show the complete process and only answer is required, then according to the given condition you can assume suitable real values of x,y and z put those values in the given expression to get the answer instantly. It will be always right provided u don't assume them all zero.
@BP-gn2cl
@BP-gn2cl 3 года назад
@Aletak 13 also u can put x =-2, y =1, z=1 and so on. But the simplest general assumption for this type of problems is 0, +k, -k
@WahranRai
@WahranRai 3 года назад
Brute force !
@SpeedyMemes
@SpeedyMemes 3 года назад
nice!
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Thanks!
@robertturpie1463
@robertturpie1463 3 года назад
X+y+z=0 therefore x=z=1, y=-2 is a solution num=x4+y4+z4=1+16+1=16. den=(x2+y2+z2)2= (1+4+1)2=16 hence 16/32=0.5 You don’t need to do any algebra. Just find a solution to x+y=z=0 & it’s easy from there.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Nice approach, but we want to use algebra!!! 😁
@otakurocklee
@otakurocklee 3 года назад
But how do you know it's the same solution for all (x,y,z) such that x+y+z =0 ?
@tamirerez2547
@tamirerez2547 3 года назад
Excellent solutions. Just one little thing, the purple pen NOT READABLE... Please use only the light colors.😀
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Absolutely! I started using lighter colors. Let me know if that's better in the more recent videos
@tamirerez2547
@tamirerez2547 3 года назад
@@SyberMath By the name of all viewers that are older then 60, thank you for your answer, and the light colors, I sure it will work.
@alexhells2367
@alexhells2367 3 года назад
Put (x,y,z)=(1,2,-3) or (1,3,-4) and the result is 1/2. This is the short trick 😁
@peterdegelaen
@peterdegelaen 3 года назад
It took me 1 minute to come to one solution that gives 1/2 as a result (x=1, y=1, z=-2). Of course, that does not mean there is only 1 single solution.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
That works!
@lesnyk255
@lesnyk255 3 года назад
Provided that (x, y, z) is not (0, 0, 0).....
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
That's right!
@tatshatsarangi3894
@tatshatsarangi3894 3 года назад
Hence proved;- Complication of algebric function is dierectly proportional to its simplicity 😅😂
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
😁
@한지훈-q8n
@한지훈-q8n 3 года назад
all value pair of x,y,z x+y+z=0 lead to only one answer except (0,0,0) ex) (-1,0,1) (2,0,-2) ...
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
No cheating! 😂
@suramanujan
@suramanujan 3 года назад
Where do you get these sums from?
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
What do you mean?
@suciptosucipto4163
@suciptosucipto4163 2 года назад
Simple metod, if z=0 than x = -y ..... 🙏
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 2 года назад
Nice!
@sahilsinghbhandari444
@sahilsinghbhandari444 3 года назад
We can also solve this expression by substituting one of x,y or z =0. Then we can easily got the ans.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
I agree
@mehnatiengineer2645
@mehnatiengineer2645 3 года назад
Also putting x=0 y=1z=-1
@sahilsinghbhandari444
@sahilsinghbhandari444 3 года назад
@@mehnatiengineer2645 it's not needed to put those values after putting x = 0
@xc0xupx
@xc0xupx 3 года назад
Substitute z = - x - y, do the factorization, and we are done :)
@doveShampoo1111
@doveShampoo1111 3 года назад
At 7:50, you forgot your parenthesis. It should be x^4 + y^4 + z^4 = 2(.........)
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
That's right and I recognized and fixed it at 9:30
@Biblapghosh
@Biblapghosh 3 года назад
Or 0.5
@dustinbachstein3729
@dustinbachstein3729 3 года назад
Why not just put z=-x-y into the expression and calculate it out?
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Great idea! Thanks
@AbdulKadir-lm7si
@AbdulKadir-lm7si 3 года назад
The easiest way is to assume x=1 y=-1 and z=0.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Do it the harder way! 😁
@coolmangame4141
@coolmangame4141 3 года назад
u can only assume that if u are sure that it has only 1 value for all x,y,z
@050138
@050138 3 года назад
Got the answer as 1/2 🙃
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Nice
@shreyan1362
@shreyan1362 3 года назад
What when x=0,y=0,z=z ans is 1
@Zehpiracicaba
@Zehpiracicaba 3 года назад
If x=0,y=0, so z=0, because x+y+z=0. However, this is not possible because (x^2+y^2+z^2) != 0 (You can't divide by zero ).
@victorchoripapa2232
@victorchoripapa2232 3 года назад
Not seeing the video, I got 2. Is it correct?
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Check it out! 😉😁
@victorchoripapa2232
@victorchoripapa2232 3 года назад
Yes. I had a mistake. Correct. It's 1/2 the answer
@Biblapghosh
@Biblapghosh 3 года назад
The answer is (1/2)
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
yes
@fasizmiseverm2164
@fasizmiseverm2164 3 года назад
This whole video is a lie cuz u didnt metioned what would happpen if u choose any two of (x,y,z) 0. Just kidding dude absolutely love your videos please keep urself in business
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
😁
@shatishankaryadav8428
@shatishankaryadav8428 3 года назад
1
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Check your work
@newtscamander8663
@newtscamander8663 3 года назад
You should bring harder problems
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
Why? 😁
@newtscamander8663
@newtscamander8663 3 года назад
@@SyberMath because one cannot grow doing only what one knows, that's why.
@SyberMath
@SyberMath 3 года назад
That makes sense
@jaydeep8572
@jaydeep8572 Год назад
Little mistake
@jaydeep8572
@jaydeep8572 Год назад
Sorry you shortoit mistake
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