@@hliborobful for someone interested in vocal technique, I don't think the official video brings much to the game... it's a really good video, but there's no element of being able to see behind the curtain.
@@Collabstreet Hello dear , can I advise you to hear the voice of morissette amon? take a look and you will be amazed. sings live, on FM radio, Wsih 107.5. what you hear is her real voice, no gimmicks, no auto tuning or cunning whatsoever. thanks for your attention. p.s. Tommy Marz said of her in a reaction: I consider her among my top 3 singers of all time. his dream is to bring her wonderful voice to one of his tracks.
There's an octaver or something on her voice at a couple of point where there's her and her an interval apart. That takes away nothing from her singing though.
Haha, yep, Pisces is usually the Jinjer cherry popper. She does not use her vocal cords for those sounds, but her vestibular folds, aka false cords. Kardavox Academy has a video on Pisces and goes through the technique with some live examples, but generally speaking, if it hurts, then you're doing it wrong. The fast part in the mid are called blast beats. Going to drop my usual recommendations if you're interested to see and hear more: Official video suggestions: Perennial I Speak Astronomy Pit Of Consciousness Judgement & Punishment Cloud Factory Retrospection Sit Stay Roll Over Live suggestions: Perennial live at Wacken Who Is Gonna Be The One live On The Top live in Kiev Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev Judgement & Punishment live in Melbourne Teacher, Teacher live in Melbourne Sit Stay Roll Over live in Melbourne
That's very interesting. I will have to check that out. I'm especially interested how one make sounds that intimate from their throat without using vocal cords, considering that is the very thing that produces sound in your throat? Without the vocal cords you would not be able to make any sounds at all except breathing and hissing. I've I seen interviews with Tati where she explains how she uses her vocal cords after years of development and practice, so they are not shredded when she goes gutteral. Any links you could provide that backs up your theory would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I have to believe you are mistaken.
@@jamesb0255 She doesn't say anything about using her vocal cords, in fact she says that she does not know how she does it, since she isn't formally trained. You could've just used a search engine here, I gave you plenty of terms to look for, and there are plenty of vocal coaches who did reactions to this and other songs that use those techniques, all explaining how you don't use your vocal cords for this, since that would be unhealthy. That being said, I don't care what your beliefs are. Either educate yourself, or keep on believing whatever you want, be it wrong or not, it seems to make you feel better about yourself.
@@Dark__Thoughts defensive much? I've seen many of her interviews but I'll go back and review them you have me intrigued now. I've seen at least 10 reaction videos from vocal coaches and experts and not one of them says she does not use her vocal cords. But I'm no expert and apparently you are so I will concede to learning more about this. Have a good day.
If growling hurts, you are damaging your vocal folds. This sound is produced entirely with the false folds above the real folds. It's completely healthy as Tatiana is showing. Don't try to growl until you have been taught. Tatiana's voice here has been doubled, but you can hear that.
This is the kind of reply I look for every time. Absolutely correct. When done correctly, whether doing false cord or fry scream, it will be voiceless and cause no straining or hoarseness.
Perfect!!! You absolutely must keep checking these guys out. They are probably the fastest growing metal act today. I myself had been out of metal for several years before I heard these guys in February. They have a deep rabbit hole, with around 30 assorted official and live videos, and a very dedicated fan base. It has been 25 years since I have listened to a band that I like as much. I have seen people of all walks of life and age groups blowing Jinjer up, one of them being a 62 year old aunt. Her name is Tatiana and she finds a completely new and different way to floor you with literally every song. I personally think she is the best voice I have ever heard. Perennial live at wacken next SUBBING
You have now entered a new world. Jinjer is one of the best 4 piece bands out there and Tatiana is by far the most multi-dimensional singer I've seen. Jinjer is multi genre so not all metal. Keep watching and you'll see. Also the lyrics are very important.
I'm not even into this type of metal to be honest but I've been unable to stop listening to Jinjer for the last 2 months. They're so talented. Obviously Tatiana gets most of the credit but the band is the definition of TIGHT.
All of the non-metalheads who react like you do to these songs. . I just want to scoop you up and take you to a metal gig. To make you a part of what I've known all my life. The energy, the feeling of belonging, the comradeship, the casual friendships you strike up at every gig. You belong just by being there.
Do it, it's fun. Took a friend of my girlfriend's to see Yob. She had a whale of a time. Only occured to me to ask if she'd ever been to a metal gig whilst we were on the way there. I hadn't realised she'd only really heard metal in my car...
Great reaction 👍🏻 i recommend watching “perennial (live at waken)”that will show tatiana doing her thing live on stage.welcome to the world of jinjer.#jinjerarmy
Love to see your reactions Lisa but this was just hilarious! I "found" Jinjer around 2 years ago and I am a little bit addicted. Saw them live a year ago and it was crazy awesome, one of the best concerts I've ever visited and there are a lot in the last 40 years! Some facts about Tati, them and this video: This is the studio recording of this song, Napalm Records wanted a Video to this song but the band hasnt the time to produve it through touring, so Napalm cut parts from different concerts together, a thing which is pretty easy with there stuff because they are so tight that it is sometimes possible to put studio material over live footage and vice versa and they are on point. Tatiana had never vocal lessons, only some when she was around 8 years old and she got bored by this. She is able to switch between clear and extreme voice from one line to the next and back and can reach even a much deeper extreme voice than in this video. Tati said when she has problems with her voice it is easier for her to use the extreme voice than sing higher notes in her clear voice. There are all 4 fantastic musicians, a fact that often missed because of Tatis voice. In before corona times they made 150-200 live gigs per anno. Live they are unbelievable, there energy on stage is beyond compare. If you want to see more there are two primary suggestions: "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 (---> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bxi3i9wzQBk.html ) and most recent a one take recording of "Judgement (and Punishment)" (-----> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q5rg_63Shqg.html ). The one take of "Judgement (and Punishment)" is perfect for reactors to see what shes really doing and how effortless and seamless she is able to switch. Best regards from Germany to the whole team!
Haha thanks, well I'm glad you enjoyed watching. I definitely was impressed how tight they are as musicians, you can feel their energy even through the screen, but I can imagine how it's more electric live. Thanks for the cool facts and I will have a listen to more of their songs
One of the finest metal/ Rock bands playing right now. Loved your reaction. Please check out more. Live show next please, "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019
Check out "Pisces (Live Session)", which is the one most reactors are asked to start with, due to the surprise factor when she switches voices for the chorus.
Thank you. Another team member already reacted to Pisces. You can see that reaction here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Yo4_6eWRdEc.html
@@Collabstreet I saw that one, but she seemed surprised, so I thought she hadn't seen that one, which I think is the best introduction to them, the same way that I think "S.O.S." is probably the ideal intro to Dimash.
Oh my dear Lord... among all reaction vids to Jinjer and Tatis talent, you are the most adorable Host! Thank you a lot to this wonderful, natural and sweet reactions of yours. Keep uploading! 🥰
Fun reaction. :) The intuition that using the vocal cords for those sounds would hurt is totally correct. However, the technique doesn't use the vocal cords, but rather the vestibular folds (aka "false vocal cords", hence the term "false cord growls"). Tatiana says she feels like she has "two throats," one for clean singing and the other for growling, so there is no damage to her vocal cords when she's doing that. Though this is a collection of live video, it is a studio recording and has been edited with different layers of vocals. As to the sound not being human, the woman who inspired Tatiana to learn that technique (Otep Shamaya, of the band Otep - I'd recommend "Ghost Flowers" off the Confrontation live DVD as a starting point if you are curious) also does voice-over work for monster characters in movies and games. There is a "live in Melbourne" version of this song if you want to see what she sounds like in concert with minimal editing that just cleans up the live audio. For me personally, even if live audio quality isn't quite as good as studio (and for Napalm Records' work, it usually comes darn close but Melbourne wasn't their recording) seeing her actually performing is incredible. I've been lucky enough to see them live twice and they are epic on stage, while Tatiana's stage presence is mesmerizing. The Judgement & Punishment one take vocal performance video is epic, and the live in Melbourne video for that song is good too. Perennial live at Wacken is incredible as well. I'd highly recommend checking out Ad Infinitum's song Marching On Versailles - growling vocals aren't just for white girls. ;) For that matter, though they are no longer active, Straight Line Stitch's Black Veil is another good one at least to check out if not react to. Cheers!
She's actually using a fry scream, not false chord. False chord actually does lead to some vocal damage, but you can get a wider array of lows and better pronunciation. But she uses fry which is actually a much harder technique to master. This actually has her just flexing her abs, pushing her diaphragm up and forcing air upwards. Then she pinches the airway shut, leaving just a bit open, like putting a thumb over a hose. Then that scattershot air blasts up into the nasal cavity, and resonates up there, meaning there is truly no interaction with or damage to the vocal chords, which you can't quite say for false chord screaming.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 you'd be wrong on all of that. Tatiana definitely applies the false cord growl, there's a difference. You got that much right at least. There's literally tons of videos of her talking about it. There are also quite a lot of vocal technique videos which detail how to do the false cord which leaves no interaction or damage to the true vocal cords. You've actually got it a bit backwards there, vocal fry has a risk of damaging vocal cords over time. Not trying to shit all over you, just pointing out something that isn't correct. Check out acts like Bring Me The Horizon, August Burns Red, or pretty much any metalcore band. Those guys use heavy fry. Vocalists like Tatiana, Otep, and even the venerable Floor Jansen display a very clear false cord technique. Further proof is in the way she modulates the sound, which can't be done all that well with fry. The further forward the tongue, the deeper the tone.
@@masonblack3461 It's the further back the tongue, the deeper the tone, not the further forward. And that tone modulation literally applies even more to fry than false chord. With false chord, since air is passing freely, you can get a deep gutteral low with a flat tongue and an open mouth shape. For false chord screaming you don't need weird tongue positions to reach the low tone, which is why false chord screamers have such clear pronunciation. You're right that false chord doesn't damage the true vocal chords. But it does damage the false vocal chords, which are very important for singing. If you're a pure screamer, then "false chord doesn't damage your voice", because it doesn't damage your speaking voice. But don't expect to retain your falsetto or your mixed voice if you decide to become a false chord screamer. Whereas fry screamers like Spencer Sotelo, Courtney LaPlante, and... Tatiana retain their clarity from taking advantage of nasal cavity resonance to achieve the sound, rather than raw shouting a la Corey Taylor. Her highs are so clearly fry and not the raw shouty power of false chord. Think of, "I came back home, so I want my home back", at the end of Home Back. You can't try to tell me that's false chord. Also the low part of that ending too is a deathcore-esque low fry. Actually, "Home Back" turned out to be a perfect example, because she does a "Blegh" leading into the outro. That is a fry sound. Sam Carter, another fry screamer popularized the sound. If you yourself are a screamer, try doing the Sam Carter "blegh" in false chord... Also, "A home where memories live". She does the blegh sound for live, once again, a fry sound.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 oh well I guess you know more than literally every other vocal coach and vocalist, as well as people sitting there making noises with their tongue so they discover for themselves that the further front the tongue, the deeper the tone. Sure. Cool story bro. Where's your RU-vid channel teaching people how to sing? Actually, don't, you'd be teaching them wrong and causing a lot of damage. Good bye.
And oh yea - I forgot; I agree with some suggestions below - react to Jinjer "Judgement and Punishment - Tatiana's Single Take vocal performance" Mind blowing...
@@Collabstreet Yeah, it is Mary Z.s Channel, she is a singer in a metal band for herself and teaches screaming and growling. She also has made a video about Tatiana some time ago. You will find it here ---> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oanbEBbKWNM.html
@@Collabstreet If I understand your channel correctly, you've got a "stable" of singers (perhaps other musical artists as well) and you're collaborating to get them all more exposure. I'm sure you've got a lot of ideas you're considering ahead and I wish you luck. Please ask your reactors to interject whenever they feel like it and to just press the back (left arrow) button a few times before they continue the song so they don't miss continuity. I watched the Pisces reaction and this and both were good reactions (I prefer Lisa's experience of being mesmerized) but I would also have them add as much technical insight as they can. Saying "that's hard" vs. "here's why that's hard" makes a difference. Chase Carneson is a good model to consider.
It’s a lifestyle now lol, watching people watch Tatiana and the band Jinjer blow your mind. It never gets old. Judgement & Punishment one take live recording next please. She was in six different bands singing different types of genres in each so they have mixed up a few song just like this but each time you get a different genre music style but still get the beautiful singing of Tatiana and the great musicianship from the band member. They are awesome! Thanks for reacting. More please🙏🏼🌹
Welcome to Jinjer! The rabbit hole you just fell into goes on forever! This amazing Ukrainian band does not have a bad song! FYI - the vocal work is ALL Tatiana; obviously this is the studio version of the track over live footage, so you hear both her over dubbed clean harmonies and extreme ("growl") layering, but she pulls all this off live as well! Check out "Perennial - Live at Wacken" for an astonishing live performance. And as you noticed, all four of these musicians are simply above and beyond. Astounding musicianship. Their song writing is way above par. Guess I could go on all day...! Have fun!
Compression, doubling and delay are standard vocal effects they (and nearly every band) use in the studio. Live I think Eugene said they use a slight delay but that's it. Her voice is just a very rare talent that I've never heard before.
Love it! Jinjer is amazing and very unique. One of my favorites of hers recently is "I Speak Astronomy." Also not sure how you feel about folk/tribal sounding music, but Eivor is interesting. I've seen quite a few reactions to her live singing of "Trollabundin," but my absolute favorite song of hers is "I Tokuni." Just wanted to throw that out there!
Never ceases to amaze me how many singers, musicians and vocal coaches respons with disbelief to this. Women have been doing this for ages. Jinjer is not a one off. Tatiana is not a one off. The truly amazing thing here is the narrowness of mind and musical exposure.
thank you for your reaction as a musician . I have been a musician in various musical genres for over 40 years, but Jinjer is something very special in the music world !!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have already received a lot of suggestions, so I don't have to do that, just this, Jinjer doesn't have a bad song............... many greetings from germany and stay safe!
Welcome to heavy music! And, of course, the wonderful world of Jinjer.... for a real showcase from Tati - try the one take vocal performance of Judgement and Punishment...
Great reaction! Play Pieces live session first for your mom. Then listen to Perennial Live at Waken. And go from there! This band is amazing lots of time changes in their songs.
Amazing reaction. I LOVE that you didn't start with Pisces; there's already a hundred reactions to that as their first intro to Jinjer. Jinjer's instrumental creativity and capability for such a small group reminds me of Rush and add to it a vocalist of the caliber of Tatiana and you've got an INSANE good band. I never liked growls in music until Tati blew my mind with her enunciation, tone, and to be honest, great mixing by their engineer. I'd go to Perennial or I Speak Astronomy next, but Pisces is worth reacting to too.
Positve, musical, pretty girl. You understood everything (what level is it) in one minute. Musical. Welcome to Jinjer's land! But remember - Tati is Our Princess of Metal! Её необходимо беречь, так же, как и берегут принцесс). Like your reaction, subscribed your channel for the future Jinjer's reactions.
Thank you so much. There is more to come. There are actually a few of us reacting on this channel. Several of us will react to Jinjer. Here was our first reaction to them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Yo4_6eWRdEc.html
Regardless of genre, talent is talent, and it was obvious to me from the beginning that they're all great musicians. I'm glad you enjoyed my reaction 🙏
So many "non-metal" people who know a bit about music find themselves beguiled by Jinjer at first. Then they become fans. Great reaction. Pisces live session is usually the first song to react to but you've gone straight to Teacher Teacher. Well done.
Nice first reaction to Jinjer. Tatiana is perhaps the most versatile vocalist you will ever see. You should definitely check out more. If you are down for more check Perennial live at Wacken next.
Of all the hundreds of jinjer reactions I've watched, you're the first person to react to teacher teacher first, and it was awesome and refreshing to see! You're energy is awesome and I loved this.
Since you mentioned dischordant... may i recommend a song with beautiful dischordant harmonies. Colm Wilkinson Four Tenors "Bring Him Home" from the musical Les Miserables
Tatiana's voice for sure catches the attention, but it's the mastery shown by all 4 of them together that holds attention for me. The precision & technicality from all of them is tremendous. I was properly shocked to see they really can do this live. This is metal at its best: epic multi-movement structure, with huge range of sonic textures, superb use of brain-engaging proggy angular timings (yet somehow without losing groove, which I'm assuming is straight-up witchcraft LOL), and great metaphorical lyrics encouraging us all to be the individuals we should be, instead of giving in to whatever "everyone" on social media says we should think / act like. The fact that their lyrics are so good is especially mind-blowing when you consider these guys are from the war-torn Donbass in eastern Ukraine, so English is a 2nd or 3rd language for them! The package is so complete that I've gone from someone who couldn't listen to bands with growls/screams, to Jinjer now being my favourite current band. Amazing stuff. #TeamJinjerFTW :)
Eugene (the bassist and band manager) has said in interviews that for live performances (which this is not, the video is from several live shows, the audio is studio recorded) all they use for her is a compressor and for some sections a delay doubler on a very short delay to give it that multiple voices feel. During some songs, like Perennial, they have a vocal intro that they sometimes play (as can be seen on the Wacken video). Live, 99% of it is just her switching and roaring like a champ with very minimal technical support.
This is a studio recording so there are multi-track vocal layering for mid, highs, and lows. Don't let that fool ya, she's the real deal. Check out Perennial live @ wacken. For these vocals you use your false chords. Its separate from the vocal chords. We call it "vocal fry" bc it has a frying(cooking) sound. When activated it doesn't damage your vocal chords. It doesn't hurt. If it hurts, it is an indication of doing it incorrectly. Tati is self-taught. Recently there are vocal coaches specialized in teaching this but in the early days we had to figure it out on our own at our own expense of injury.
Sorry, I've been really busy the last couple years so I'm just getting around to seeing your reaction to this. I can say that I think it was worth the wait.. your reaction was great. I wish I knew a little more about you so I could gauge you a little bit. Tatiana is a great singer the growling is a technique just like any other singing style. I'm also not a hardcore metal fan butt getting turned on to this band was almost a life changer for me 2 years ago or more. Other than that I wanted to say you're a doll and I love your voice I hope after 2 years you still read old messages like this. It was nice watching your reaction and hearing your beautiful voice...
First close encounter of the 3rd kind with Jinjer, huh? ; ) However, I must say that you immediately picked up on the dissonant chords and the "chaotic" rhythm pattern, which is something hardly any reactors do. Great reaction. : )
I really enjoyed this reaction. "I speak astronomy" is another song by them that further displays the prowess of the band. Look forward to future reactions.
Wow. Of all the Jinjer reactions I’ve ever watched, yours was the most... ‘posh’? 😂 I don’t mean that derogatorily at all. Your look, your amazing smile, your accent and that impeccable analysis and interpretation. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks!
Enjoyed your reaction to this awesome extremely talented band :-) You have a great voice yourself, I hear a little Alicia Keys influence in there :-) The singer From Jinjer/ Tatiana's one take vocal performance of Judgment and Punishment would surely entertain us all. Or their live performance of of perennial at Wacken 2019 would be a great next one as well. Look forward to seeing your next Jinjer reaction!
Thank you! Your ears are definitely in tune as I learned to play the piano by listening to Alicia Keys' first album and was always singing her songs lol! I'm looking forward to hearing more from Jinjer too 😀😀
Welcome to the Metal world my dear. The talent in this type of music is amazing, but what’s better then that? It’s true. It speaks to people in ways you will soon learn.
To answer your question - This is the studio audio you're hearing, so there is layering. In some parts you can hear her growl in the background while she is singing clean.
I'm really starting to find it hard to believe that after decades of death metal that there would be anyone on this planet who wouldn't know about the vocals.
Amazing & a unique voice. Now I appreciate it but @ 1st I believed something had been done to the microphone that helped her make her voice with the effect. Now I believe that someone would have caught it & explained something or anything that was done to the microphone. But nobody has come out with any info to prove her voice was a fake. SO ENJOY HER VOICE & HER UNIQUENESS!! LOVINGLY SIGNED, A PROUD 🇺🇸 fan
It's really difficult to get into this type of music for a non "metalhead" person, but being a singer it's nice to see some curiosity about the growls because it's such an interesting techinique using the false cords
To answer ur qn on how she does that, she opens her mouth, use her throat and lungs, and make a distorted noise. (that's what she said in one of the interviews)
Ok next, try Devin Townsend - Deadhead, and Why? both from his quarantine concerts.. in Deadhead he adds vibrato to his fry scream, which is already phenomenal..
Jinjer is one of those artists that most people doing reactions for them use the live videos because they are legitimately as good ( most of the time even better ) than the studio recordings. I wasn’t really into anything this hard before I heard them. They are technically masterful musicians and Tatiana is one of a kind. Check out the Live version of Pisces for something a bit more mellow, Judgement and Punishment live one take to see Tatiana crush some Reggae vibes in one take, and Who is Going to be the One Live in Wacken for some of the best musicianship around. In who is going to be the one, you can hear how powerful her voice is because you can hear it echo off the tree line at the venue 😂😂😂
It's clear you don't listen to much heavy music. I've been to a ton of shows and when I saw Jinjer live they were very good but nothing that stood out over many other very good bands I've seen. It's really funny that people who don't know the genre flip out for no other reason than them having a female lead. There are many other metal bands with female leads, as well as some full female metal bands. "you can hear how powerful her voice is because you can hear it echo off the tree line at the venue" That would be called speakers. It's as loud as the sound tech turns up the volume.
I think we've just witnessed the birth of a metal fan!!! The quality of musicianship of each member of this band is top tier all around!! You should watch Perennial live at Whacken!!
In the studio there is some compression and harmonzing/layering with vocals, but mostly what you hear is what you get. It's really her, and it's a lot to digest all at once. Also, you're giggle is delightful, keep sharing it with the world.
Jinjer is the real deal! Tatiana’s voice is really incredible, and the rest of the band are amazingly talented as well. Go to a show! Mind blown. 🤘🏻😖🤘🏻
The music is a studio version, with some layering. The video is a compilation of several concerts. The live versions have similar impact. There is a recent live version from Melbourne. Tatyana (the vocalist) has done a single take version of "Judgement (and Punishment)" that you might want to check out.
Although this is a studio recording played over live video this is not studio trickery, there’s some layering but she’s 100% capable of these kind of vocals in live shows, you can look up their live stuff, she sounds amazing, she’s a world class metal vocalist beyond a shadow of a doubt
Perennial live at wacken is a good one live on stage where she sings a lot. She’s also got a live one take where she sings reggae, called judgement and punishment, she’s standing alone and a side view of how she sings
I’d also second Chris Odell’s suggestion of next Jinjer vid, ‘Perennial’ live at Wacken (she’s in a gold coloured jumpsuit) as it really showcases Tatiana’s breath control, as well as how she just effortlessly and seamlessly switches from clean vocals to full on ‘fry scream’ vocals. Love your reaction, and look forward to more. Subbed.
My first time seeing one of your reactions. I must say you have an amazing smile. Loved the reaction. Will definitely sub. Can’t wait to see more jinjer. 😃
To truly go down the Jinjer rabbit hole listen to; JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) and JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - One Take Vocal Performance.