Hey guys - this was a bit of an unorganized video - sorta just went where my brain went here - I hope you get some value out of it! It went from some general knowledge to in depth analysis of defense reports in all stars
It's based on a fully flat refined defense, and honestly it has proven to work. I'm not entirely sure how this will work for me since I'm too big, but it's proven to work in all stars. The concept is a keep with large amounts of low tier cavs, maxed flat cav defense / cav HP, typically boudica on the wall. Lower tier troops get a substantial buff with flat refines. I honestly thing it's genius - I just haven't tried it personally, and again I'm just a bit too big in my opinion to go down this route. I also think if I switch my current wall general to all flats, I'll end up getting destroyed by solos (can't protect my high tiers) But I think it's a worthy pursuit for smaller keeps that fully believe in the strategy
@@evonysingh7114 idea is for those Cavs to overwhelm arch as I was explained... I saw one report on this and it looked nice, scary but this person didn't really explained what she did with wall so yeah still bit unknown idea
@@evonysingh7114 I think the reverse way. You need flat to defend solos because enemy has maxed debuff, but % refining to defend rallies, because enemy debuff is usually 200%-300%, far below half your buff,.\\.
A side note - I'm switching out my cav HP skillbook for range range to see if that will help my archers engage on defense - the player X from server 377 pointed out that having the range distance being on par with the enemy range troops could help them engage sooner. She made a great point, maybe I'll be able to test one day xD Shoutout to her! Also, for super large keeps (5b+) that are looking to fully protect their cavs, I think maybe taking less ground defense refines and full focusing cav defense wouldn't be the worst idea - i do have a bit too many ground defense refines for my liking
Hey thanks for this informative video. Have you thought about removing siege range skill book? My guess is that the higher tier siege are too far out and dont really get a chance to attack until much later.
@@JB-yq4hi I think Conan does this against range rallies, it has to be a timed strategy, because if you get sieged without siege range it's going to be a massacre
Hi Singh, first of all thanks for the great contents that you are sharing, your video are phenomenal!! I have a slightly different interpretation of the report showing the the defending siege dealing very small damages to archers: the battle is made of many rounds and siege start attacking from the very early rounds, but since the attack is Low they take many rounds before to zero the enemy Hp…so when playing in defence the siege attack the enemy range troops for many rounds reducing by a lot their HP, but at the certain point also the ground troops reach the archers and they both attack them at the same time. Since the ground troops has an higher attack they have a much higher odd to deal the last hit (the hit who kill the enemy troop) so from the report you will see that the ground killed a lot of troops, but it doesn’t mean that they have done all the work, most likely they have only deal the last shot after the siege took away the most of the enemy Hp; it’s just my interpretation, but if you compare it to a siege attack (where the siege are the only attacking unit and there is no attacking ground) it kind of make sense
I have seen this theme of targeting priority from several sources that essentially suggest that as the rounds of combat progress the things that can attack target the lowest HP layer they can hit. This would mean that your biggest siege with the longest range is getting a target lock on the enemies T1 layer first. The problem is that while they wipe that enemy layer out easily, all other layers are moving together as well, that is to say that what was once your T13 and T14 siege getting all the picks of low hp targets, each round they have to share the target list with the other layers. By the time the ground is able to attack all the nice juicy enemy layers are in contact and your long range guys are still working on the smaller fodder enemy layers. TLDR, removing siege range skill book and siege range ring might make your siege kill a lot more but also might make you more vulnerable to being counter sieged from somebody with massive range.
I thought I was going nutty when my defenses started going point-positive once I began bulking up my ground layers (instead of Siege). I can't read reports worth a diddle so this makes sense. Thanks Singh!
Could you make more videos like this? With other aspects of the game. Like assistant general pairing, mixed marches, gear on sub city generals etc etc...this was awsome video!
I picked Leo III over all for sure, but building up Leonidas I as well (no spec yet, but I'll get there). I did find on C4 younger server (Aug 2021) that the BIG player on our server ghosted a good portion of his Mounts and his defense is unreal! He uses JEJ (to which, I think he is awesome if no one else, but Leo III is better in many ways). It is also what swayed me to go with Leo III vs Marshall - however, I get why now with 10 Billion+ like you, you literally cannot ghost your Cavs easily...
Great content king sings, i still think that siege and and archers should probably get higher attack over ground, So with ground having so much defense and HP I’m sure they will be fit to withstand the enemy archers for a long time while your archers with the help of range bonus book helps deal good damage too the enemy ranged
Siege gets debuffed too hard. The ground speed on the wall is a great decision, getting them into the fight as early as possible and it can’t be debuffed.
I'm with you on the ground buddy. I think the trend with siege starts early. Before debuffs. But then you start making ach gear and siege becomes less effective. I know ground attack is harder to debuff however I think grounds biggest strength is ground defense. Tell me your thoughts if you don't mind sir.
Well I have William Marshall as my main wall General I have him at 6 stars right now and I just recently got him fully specked out my 5th general specked out so I have 1 more before I can finish upgrading the Victory Tower to lv5 well that and the resourses of course. And I have Oda Ouchi as the Assistance Wall general because it looks like they both buff different troop types so there is no overlapping on there main skills so they both work together and I feel between the 2 generals all troops get buffed.
Hey, your tutorials are excellent! Keep up the good work. I do have a question though. Why do you prefer siege march over any other march? Also May I get your opinion on baiting & trapping? Thanks! Have a nice day!
If siege don't engage when being rallied, what's the point in starting off every attack with a siege bomb? "To clear the siege so the archer rally that follows is more effective"... right?
My understanding is (and it's all theory, there's no solid evidence) is that when we t11, as long as we're sending a lot of marches + upper layer siege + layers in the march, t14 siege layers + t13 siege layers will engage (round 2) and round 3 t11 siege will fire once at archers. round 4 t11 siege will fire again at archers. round 5 attacking t11 siege will fire at t12 siege. Defending t11/12 siege will fire back at t12 siege (very important to know t12 siege, which is a layer). Round 6, if defending t12/11 siege is alive, they will target attacking t11 siege now. I'm not 100% sure, but this is all theory. But during this (mainly after) all the layers are engaging. The defending range troops will attack the cav layers. The lower level siege layers are still advancing to engage. The defending ground are stuck on cav layers, or ground layers, or trying to prioritize arch layers. The defending cav are going after attacking ground layers / engage fast, then make their way to siege relatively quick.
I am big fan of you, now assistant general comes in I put cav defance cav hp and siege range on Johnston, as assistant I put Trajan , and for him I put ground attack defance and hp. I am free coin plyer I am 3.9 b power my defance is still not good . Am I puts right skill book on this two general, also I refined ground attack on axe , ground defance cav hp. I can't able to max speciality for Johnston because of lack of runestone
The siege have high range low damage whereas the ground has high defense hi HP and is the second troop to the battle so the siege is doing damage to all the troop in range but not killing but the lower tier troops and alive ground are killing what’s left over
I'm about to be a fresh k35. I did rush my way there only 157m power. When I get around to start doing an army. Where should I start? I am a mostly f2p
Great move btw, I think it's best to rush keep rather than rush power. I would continue to unlock t14. Initially, I recommend focusing on a ground based defense, with some cav HP / cav moderate cav count(like 100k t11-14) and 50k layers. I think you'll end up tanking all 3 attack types at your bracket. Obviously if you run into a behemoth they can send anything and win, but if you are against normal folks in battlefield, you should be going positive if you build this way.
@@evonysingh7114 yeah I originally rushed to 30 and then did 5m troops got zeroed and just managed to recover the t12 I had made..since that day thought best to stay smallish but enough fire power for a march or 2. Costly mistake early on but was good learning lesson
It has nothing to do with combat just making your troops go faster to monsters or keeps or any other target so save you some speed ups that's all about it
In test servers, they're using t13, but t15 range mechanics are same as 14/13, so I would imagine t11 would work the same. We'll science and find out ;)
Hi Singh, hope you well. I noticed there was no mention of Tran Hung Dao as the wall general. I had him early in the game and have built him up over the months. I also have JJ, but too late to now swap. What do you think of Tran Dao? His got siege
I think he's still a great starter wall general - but I wouldn't use any runestones on him. If you have, I would stop investing runestones for now, and see if eventually you end up getting one of the big 3
I think he’s fantastic to use because you can easily ascend these free generals. I decided to use Trajan for ground and drop Scipio, simply because I can build the heck out of Trajan and not give Evony a penny for it.
Were the attacks against you used siege bombs or heavy ranged marches? What ratio of ranged to siege were used? If it's purely ranged ( obviously still layered ) marches then it makes sense ground puts in work like that but if wall gen buffs ground attack and lacks on siege and range, wouldn't that make you more susceptible to seige bombs or cav marches?
Sorry I was mid video when I commented and seen where you say switching gen when you see you're getting rallied for seige.... that pretty much answered my question. I do think there would be a better general than marshall to defend range marches though
@@xkillerghost4649 Yeahh, I think Boudica would be solid for pure "cav protection" and Leo for pure "siege attack" but I convinced myself on Marshal due to his base stat scaling competing with Leo + cav HP + half decent bits of siege buffs
So I have some questions about this stuff. It would be a lengthy comment tho. Any chance you have a discord server or something along those lines that I could join? Would love to pick your brain in regards to defensive stuff. I'm looking to build for strong defense and have been focusing my attention there. I'm only k32 250 mil with a LONG ways to go but I want to be in the right place when I get there and not scrambling to finish this research or refine this gear etc etc
Not for nothing, but the math on t13's makes them the new t12's once t15's become more prevelant. 2.5 vs 2.25. Thats t12:t14 vs t13:t15 rss efficiency per unit. 1.3480153649:1.3517498138 is the stat efficiency. Essentially, t13's are the new defensive t12's
How do these killing stats in these reports work? Is it based on who gets the final killing blow, or is it who does the most damages against someone who eventually dies?
what skill books can you suggest right now sir on my wall general? i have leonidas on my wall for now. i'm planning to grow my marshall also. i would like to know
I prefer leonidias over any wall general, skillbooks i suggest ground attack, range bonus, and ground hp. Range bonus is for giving that range troops the extra distance to kill off mounted troops to protect your ground troops so they dont die to cavs and destory range and siege, best of both worlds. JJ/marshall to me are still very awesome because they are all rounder generals but i think you should work off of based your defense layers. When i used JJ i ran range bonus/siege bonus and cav hp cav hp very important because that is what helps kill off ground
Looking through some defense reports in SvS, still seeing siege doing hella work. We're a younger server with only a handful pushing k36 though, could siege becoming less effective be a military academy thing?
Siege will def play a huge factor against solos - I still think Siege focused defense in one on one for defense will do wonders, but against range rallies (especially allstars rallies), it seems theres enough enemy layers to distract high tier siege from getting to your range in time. t10/9 siege seem to participate much sooner
I’m new and I just don’t understand this leonadias wall general I put ground speed range bonus and siege bonus in him as skill books , axe & koryo bracer now looking at this it seems I’ve done wrong 😮 help
Hey what do you think of me just ghosting my cavs and go full on range def hp refines in boot and chest? (Note im not big so no one rallies or hit me with sieges. Mostly just grounf and range
Whats the idea for ground speed on defense generals? I see people in my server run that on their joseph johnstons, i thought the speed skillbooks only works offensively?
@@makarov9x186 i had that setup at first, then learned about siege and switch to siege attack, then added cav HP because they are hella vulnerable but its what helps kill off ground
New video request: playing on phone or PC, and if on PC how is the VM setup? my bluestacks seems laggy, additionally, to be SO FAST and all your mechanics I want to learn. please teach me Obi-Wan
ye ...siege attack siege first thats why your siege high tier died first ,archers second (highest tiers) siege attack from back to front....Legionaru 552
This is very skewed (towards one troop type) design. you are prone to solo t11s seige. There are two types of first attacks, seiges and archers. You are protecting for archers and keep seiges vulnerable. I looking forward to reports to see your seige hp.
Very good and informative video ,but these type of videos are not for the common player. They are for the big coiners. I am k31,and i spend money more than i should on this game,and I am nowhere near these type of stats ,not even 1%. Seeing these type of stats makes me want to quit the game because common players like me ,who play because it is a game and try to have fun ,can never reach stats like the big coiners. Evony has become a money grabbing exercise if you ever want to be competitive. But, thank you, like i said, very informative videos.
Those reports doesn't make sense. Why doesn't this game make sense? I thought siege were good against archers 😢 Every time I think I figure this game out, something doesn't make sense fml. lol
It is still great against solo range - and I still think t10/9 siege perform well against range, so I wouldn't knock siege off entirely. This is more for rally mechanics
