Same here, recently finally received my Triode Lab 45 Evo integrated. There is a significant different to the solid stat I had before. The decay in the sound, the airiness is out of this world. I love it and I ain't going back, ever!
I got rid of two McIntosh 60 watt amplifiers; one built in 1954 and the other one in 1955 for stereo use; also got a Fisher pre-amplifier.- They put out so much heat that I didn't need to use the home heating central unit.
Single ended uses a single (positive) supply rail to drive the tubes or npn devices. However this mandates the use of large coupling caps at the output to block the DC bias. These caps can contibute low frequency distortion when driven close to their rated voltage. They can also limit the low end response of the amp. The Dynaco 120 was a popular SE amp in the early 70s. Folks who have rebuilt them love the sound.
Thumbs-up for "distortion when driven close to their rated voltage". Things have to be designed properly. As Paul said, push-pull requires each 'half' to be complementary. There's a 1980's p-p power amp on my bench which has NO capacitors in the signal path. It's a right pain because every pair of transistors was hand matched in the factory.
Thanks for that I didn't know it was single-ended . I assembled one in 1971 when in the USAF in California . Loved the sound until some junky needed everything while I was away .
The Dynaco 120 was actually class B or i guess you could say class AB. It did run a high bias to keep it in class A longer than modern amps but once you got over a watt or two it went into class B. Early transistor amps had severe crossover distortion problems and there were many tricks to try and alleviate that.
@@dnealukDirect coupled output stages have nothing to do with class of operation. My tweeters run on class A amps with no coupling capacitor*. It's just a matter of using symmetrical power supplies like +24v and -24v so the output signal is at ground with zero signal. There are a lot of other benefits from a DC coupled amp as well such as no capacitor distortion. Another benefit is cost reduction. A stereo amp with a single rail power supply requires three large capacitors, power supply and one for each amp as an output capacitor. A DC amp only needs two, one for each side of the power supply. This is a win-win with lower cost and higher audio quality. *I do have an external 33uf foil capacitors at the tweeters which means that don't ever see below 600hz. Reason is any pop or other low frequencies that get through the amp will quickly destroy a direct connected tweeter. In a normal speaker the crossover provides this protection. I learned this the hard way with two $300 Vifa tweeters destroyed while adjusting the crossover and accidentally letting bass through the tweeter amp.
@@andydelle4509 "Direct coupled output stages have nothing to do with class of operation." You are correct. "It's just a matter of using symmetrical power supplies like +24v and -24v so the output signal is at ground with zero signal." You are incorrect in saying 'JUST a matter'. The two halves must complement each other, as Paul said in the video, with facial expression that said that's not a trivial thing. When carefully designed (in my example, with hand-matched transistors) it's MORE than a matter of symmetrical power supplies.
Perhaps it is worth adding that single-ended amplifiers, by their nature, produce even harmonics, while push-pull harmonics produce odd harmonics. Even harmonics create consonance, which is the basis of musicality that creates a magical atmosphere. They are pleasant to the ear and desirable in contrast to odd harmonics, which are not pleasant to perceive.
That is more about output device than amp class. Tubes and FETs become nonlinear and compress as they reach max levels. So they create even order harmonics which are smoother and more musically pleasant. While bipolar transistors just clip when they reach max out and create harsher odd order.
No experience with hifi SE but have built a couple of SE guitar amps.. A 6L6 with a 12ax7 drive and a parallel dual 6V6 unit. I was pretty surprised by both of them. They both can drive a 2x12 cabinet but really shine through a sealed 1x12. VERY warm sound. Good explanation Paul
Single-ended amps tend to produce more second-harmonic distortion, which in the right quantities can be quite euphonic. The first Delco (General Motors) solid-state car radios had a single massive Germanium power transistor, working as an emitter follower, with an air-gapped iron-core choke between the emitter and ground. The car speakers (usually two, one in front and one in back) were wired in parallel with this choke. With two 3.2-ohm speakers, this arrangement could make a relatively undistorted eight watts or so. They sounded very warm indeed. Of course, it was AM radio! These amps continued on into the early 70's, when quad eight-tracks came out. There would be a massive aluminum heatsink under the dash with four of those huge transistors on it, and the radio would pull a constant 16 amps or so any time it was turned on. EDIT: I forgot to mention, the line driver (final stage) of the legendary 1176 compressor uses a similar circuit, except instead of a choke it uses an actual transformer. And of course, most SET amplifiers put the output tranny in the plate circuit (collector, if solid-state).
Wow. Years ago, when I was still a kid, someone gave me an old simple AM radio from a '62 Chevy. It had like 4 tubes and a DS503? output transistor. Many years later I learned that it may have been a single ended output circuit, since the radio consumed like 3 amps when on. A waste of fidelity for just AM!
300B Single-Ended Triode Tube amps are musical. And that due to the 2nd order harmonics. But, driving a Klipsch Heritage Premium ( 102db sensitivity ) it's frighteningly magical and realistic.
@@marianneoelund2940 Some time ago I was involved with the BAS and the MIT Media Lab to quantify the "tube" sound. What it was and how to create it using non-tube electronics. Once we had defined what it was we shared those results and some companies put the solution into their products. One of the easiest ways is to take a very good solid state amplifier and put a tube stage at the input. PS Audio does such a thing with some of their amps. Given a non-audiophile audience, and presented with the "tube" sound, there will be a 90% preference for the tube sound. Even with all the distortion components.
I recently acquired a solid state Bakoon amp. And confirm the sound characteristics of this SS is pretty special. Said to mimic SET amps in many ways. I just can’t live with tubes opted for Something to get close to SET sound to go with my horn speakers.
@@Harald_Reindl it depends on your definition of quality. If it is lowest distortion with ruler flat frequency response you can get that in a $100 class d amp off Amazon.
@@Harald_Reindl People who are into adding tubes in the signal chain are actually into added distortion. They happily enjoy their favorite music that has gone through a ton of opamps in the studio to get an extra flavor of “musical tube distortion” in the home.
what i understand from friend that build & sell own amplifiers, the SET tend to suit best for more flowing kind of music and sweet sound of vocal. while the other type have more punch hence can serve better for aggresive, speedy, thumping kind of music.
I love SE tube designs, especially the more powerful 845/805/211 but as you said in terms of energy efficiency I can't buy it in 2022 while Greta marching the streets. Those are amps from another era. I don't want to go class D either, but IMO a decent 50W class A/B is a fair compromise.
Yes, there's something special about my EL34 single-ended amplifier. Built from a Chinese kit (Boyuu A9); unmodified, so still running as pentode rather than triode.
How about a inventory of your products, and a short history on each of them? Your life and others, seems to be greatly related to them. It is like building a monument , it takes many skilled people, and many years to make them. You have made many. So row your boat. Great job.
I have had over 60 years everything you can think of, also 2A3, 300B SE, for the last 10 years, I listen through a EL84 SE, will not change that ever. But, and I have them, you need efficient speakers. I have floor standing transmission lines , 96db.
Great simple thought provoking content. I take it that because single ended amps are not zero crossing then it matters little if they are tube or mosfet? What have you found when comparing tbe two? I build computers and it seems that a mosfet design could be cooled efficiently with a CPU type cooler.
This would be a transistor or transistors, biased so that the Q point would be in the middle of the load line, with the positive and negative swing, relative to the Q point. As Johnny pointed to, wouldn't this have to be a single ended supply rail? (Yes, no crossover distortion. Maybe an asymetrical sine wave, if the swing is too large?)
They generally use single-rail supplies, but you could design one to use bipolar supplies (that would probably not allow removal of the output capacitor, however). The supply choice does not determine whether or not there will be crossover distortion; it is a "given" that there will not be, because there is only a single output device. You are correct that the output becomes asymmetrical as the amplitude increases. This gives rise to even-order harmonics, which many listeners find adds a desirable character to the sound. It is a "warm" type of distortion. The added harmonics may be a stronger contributor to the character of the sound, than the avoidance of crossover distortion.
@@marianneoelund2940 You misunderstood what I said, when you said "... The supply choice does not determine whether or not there will be crossover distortion;... " Look at what I wrote, quoting myself "... no crossover distortion... " my comment relates to the fact that only one type of device that would be used (not a complementary pair like a NPN and a PNP together), and it would be biased on, continuously, therefore no flat spots between the negative and positive parts of a sine wave. Other than that, your comment is interesting. I like that part about the harmonics and pleasing distortion. That's a really interesting subject.
@@marianneoelund2940 Marianne, you got my curiosity about using a split supply for this type of amplifier. Normally with a single ended supply the Q point would be set at half of the rail supply voltage. Which is you had a single +15 volt supply, would mean that the Q point would be set at 7.5 at the collector (assuming and NPN transistor.) Now, if you had a split supply with say +17 volts and -17 volts, you'd have a 34 volt range between rail supplies. I'm trying to imagine where you'd set the collector voltage with DC biasing (Q point.) If you started from the negative supply rail (and that kind of considered that zero volts) If you set the Q point at 17 volts positive, relative to the negative rail, you'd be sitting right in the middle of the load line for the transistor. The output of the transistor could swing negative and positive, with a greater linear range (avoiding asymetrical distortion) at a higher voltage level (peak to peak) on the collector, than you could get with a single ended supply with a lesser voltage on the rail. Because the collector's Q point would be at zero volts (relative to ground), the base would have to be biased (DC) more negative than zero volts, and the emitter voltage would have to be .7 volts more negative than the base voltage (.7 volt drop between emitter and base to keep the device turned on)? You got the gears turning, here. Interesting stuff.
@@KenTeel The quiescent point would largely be chosen based on the voltage swing capability of the supply-side devices, which typically differs from the low-side transistor.
@@marianneoelund2940 Isn't the Q point chosen to be half way between the rail voltage(s), so that a sine wave can swing the same distance from the Q point, going in either the positive direction or negative direction? I've seen examples of the Q point being centered between rail(s) voltage(s)? Perhaps you know different? I'd be curious if they do put the Q point in a place other than centered, and whether that has to do with maintaining the symetry of a sine wave?
I don’t quite understand why two complimentary devices each handling 50% of the signal are more efficient than a single device handling 100% of the signal. Do the complimentary devices have a “cool down” period while they’re turned off which produces less heat overall?
Yes, unfortunately this is amplifier theory, and I can only offer a very brief explanation here. At zero audio output level, complimentary (push-pull) output stages have zero current flowing in the transistors, other than the bias current. As output power rises due to increased input amplitude, the transistors carry more current. Single ended amplifiers normally operate in class A. What does this mean as far as power goes? With minor exceptions, a 10W class A amplifier will draw a certain amount of power from the wall, no matter what power is flowing to the speakers. The power load will be the same at zero volume or full volume. They are very inefficient, but they make good room heaters. (The "musicality" people talk about in class A amps is mostly due to harmonics)
Yes, you understand the basic concept. Class AB only maintains a small current through the output transistors when the current to the load is at or near zero. At higher load currents, most of the current flowing through the transistors goes directly to the load. With single output devices, they must be carrying an amount of current at "rest" (i.e., when little power is going to the load) that is at least the magnitude of the maximum peak current the amplifier can deliver to the load.
There are all kinds of monster tubes that you could use to build larger SE amplifiers, but at some point, the electric bill and the heat become intolerable.
@@marianneoelund2940 And transmitter tubes require deadly voltages and currents. Not "you may be electrocuted" but rather "WILL be electrocuted" at these power levels. Plus you will need a BIG custom wound output transformer as they are just not available OEM. Power transformers - tons on the used market but OPT s for these amps are very special. Still, there are few built by some wealthy enthusiasts. Personally I don't see the point.
Yes, the EL34 is a pentode. They can run as triodes if connected up appropriately. A typical modification of one Chinese EL34 kit amp (possibly the one the questioner refers to) is to add a switch so you can go between pentode and triode. Pentode for more power, triode for the 'clean magical' sound being referred to.
@@dnealuk I used to own a pair of Audio Research mono amps with 6550's wired as triodes. The amps were not single ended and were class AB. After building my first single ended triode amp, I sold the Audio Research amps. Half the cost of building that first amp was tubes (2) and output transformers (2). EL-34s can indeed be wired in a triode operation, but they are used because they are available and inexpensive, as were my 6550s. I doubt, and I use that word because I don't know for sure, that they would pale against a good power triode like the 2A3, 300b, or my favorite, the 45. I will say that any Class A amplifier will sound better that a similar quality Class AB or D amplifier.
When it's broken and needs repair. On a more serious note, it's just semantics. When one speaks of Class A, it usually implies class A complementary, rather than single ended. But both use similar biasing schemes.
@@marianneoelund2940 class A complementary is just class B with heavy bias (class "AB"). At least that's how I always looked at it. Class AB sound fine but zero feedback class A is the best, in my opinion :)
@@cheapygeek That's a fair basic description. The key for class A is that the output transistors are never turned completely off. But there are variations in how much bias current is used, and how the opposite-side current is tapered, so class A designs may sound different, and may not handle reactive loads the same.
Single ended can be both class A and Class B or AB, it just depends on biasing. AB is always a bit confusing because it is often referred to a push pull configuration, but in reality those are typically biassed AB, though you can also bias them A (if you require a space heater) or B. And then there is even class C which is only useful for railway station PA systems.
Not sure how a class A amplifier can be "even more inefficient" than a single ended amp. A single ended amplifier is always pure class A by definition.
Well that's exactly what I thought. When he mentioned Class A as being something else I was like what!? Isn't a single transistor or tube amplifier class A? It's the same thing! I was yelling at the TV! Lol!
No, that's not true. A single ended amplifier with no output signal draws only its operating bias current. Only when it begins to have a signal does the output current go up. So, a 50 watt SE sitting with nothing on its input is not consuming 50 watts. That happens only when there's a big signal. In contrast, a class A amplifier always draws the same current (wattage) regardless of the input signal. So, a 50 watt class A amplifier draws 100 watts from the AC wall socket even when there is no input signal. That power is then converted to heat. At full input signal the amplifier still draws the same 100 watts but now half of it goes into the loudspeaker load.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Nope. If anything a single ended amplifier draws less current when there is sound due to the diode effect of the grid and cathode.
Not sure what Paul said. And no disrespect. It's good if you can try out different types of amps and different types of speakers to find out what has synergy in your room and what YOU like. There is no BEST. 2A3 amp into Klipsch speakers sound the best to me. YMMV
Single ended tube amps only downside is less power efficiency compared to pushpull tube amps, musicality is the same ;)) as for ''high definition'' all tube amps are limited...George Georgopoulos Audio, google me and learn more about my monohifi ''high definition'' systems!
The first watt is pure class A but beyond that A/B. The point was they use a unique output stage with only one sex output device, an N channel, where normally the complimentary output would be N and P.
@@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285 Isn't the definition of a "class AB amplifier" one that operates in class A up to a certain current output, then switches to class B at a point determined by the biasing when more current is needed?
@@gotham61 Yes, that's correct. Class A for a small portion of the signal (where the amplifier bias current is greater than the signal current) and then class B above that.
Having owned many EL34 amplifiers in particular old HH Scotts, the 300B blows them away. Currently I have a SET 300B with 8w + 8w. It destroys and I mean DESTROYS my 2500 Marantz sr-18 with 140Wx5 and a massive torroidal transformer. Torroidals in the day were considered a big upgrade in high end power vs. solid state. Now the question the bigger question is why does the type of rectifier tube "color" the sound so much? and why so many PREFER that 300B tube sound to mosfet? 300B systems are about the most outrageously overpriced you can get. they rape u due to the demand with several systems going to > 60k dollars. The really big tube systems seem to use parallel KT88 tubes instead to achieve those 100W power ratings. But I dont think they sound so good and I've NEVER felt the need for that wall thumping power more than my little 8wpc does. Today they are all PC board based but u should try to get a silver wire point to point soldered one as those don't "squash" the signal through the tiny PC board traces. More work = more cost. I wouldn't sniff at a PS audio amp and pre, would love to try one if u want to ship me some stuff ! hint hint ;*>
Terrible explanation. Many errors. SE (or SET) run class A. The difference is a balanced stage (like push-pull) cancel even order harmonics. It's the resulting distortion that you find "musical". Even-orders harmonize with the fundamental. Odds don't. SE distortion levels are also higher even with feedback. Many SET owners prefer no feedback. Likely for the even-order distortion.
@@cha7260 when good done and with proper room-EQ they should - a neutral/linear frequency curve is a very simple and strict thing which can be measured and adjusted - unless that is done you have a problem when it comes to the "Fi" of "HiFi"
