Sinking & Raising Tall Ship "Astrid" on the Cork Coast July 2013 by karl grabe 

Surprised salvage team would even bother raising her? Too costly

I helped in her conversion to a square rigger ... and was curious as to "where she is now" ... got my answer! shame :(

Sorry,english isn't my mothertongue , do you referred to the ship using the pronoun "she" instead of "it"?

pumpkin91ful yeah, most sailers and people in general refer to a ship as she. Idk where it came from or why but most people do it

@@Disinterested1 Really, so was I. Ocean Village?

@@pumpkin91ful Depends actually, you can refer to a ship as a she, he, or it if you want. People normally call ships she. However in some countries like Poland, the ship's "gender" depends on the name. ORP Błyskawica(or lightning) is considered female because of the name. Bismarck is a male because of the name too.

Eva B. And then scrapped it.

Spot on mate.

Who was ultimately responsible for that major error? Deck crew or shore supply crew?

@@BigLisaFan - A captain will often delegate responsibility to crew members.

So often, inexperience is determined to be the root cause of such sad events, or at least contributing factors. Some seem to think that because sailing vessels travel so slowly, no training and minimal experience is all that is needed, and there is no licensing per se, unlike automobiles. That said, it's unclear what the cause and effect was that "connect the dots" between: taking on water in Brighton two weeks prior; fresh water contamination; which caused a power failure (water cause short circuits?); and main engine failure. Marine engines use open circulation of cold sea water to in turn cool closed loop system of antifreeze & water mixture (or Glycol etc.) which circulates through and so cools the engine block. Unless the fresh water they referred to had found it's way into the diesel fuel - but even then, that occurrence is so common that sailboats have filters to eliminate water and any other debris from diesel. I'm no insurance investigator, but there is a bit of detail missing regarding what mistakes were made. And while it needs to be said that mistakes can be made by anyone regardless of experience and training, "old salts" seem better at avoiding problems (such as rocky shorelines), and dealing with challenges that do occur, due to practice and experience. And a final thought, I have sailed Oyster Haven years ago on a 12' craft (eg. windsurfing) and my recollection of the shore line all along the Irish Sea was that it was quite rugged and "unforgiving" as the mariners might say it, with this being an example of just that. A paraphrase: "The sea is not inherently dangerous, but it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect" (anonymous).

@@softgoodsint The bit of land at the edge of the sea with sharp hard bits was also quite unforgiving and gravity too. How did fresh water stop the main engines? Lots of water in a fuel tank by mistake? More detail would have been as you say helpful.

@Simon Frampton yep

if you forgot to pay the insurance, that is!

Lol

Yep! you can lead a ship to water, ya just can't mak'em float... ^_^

you folks all live online in a cocooned virtual world

I remember your dad well from kinsale. Sailed his boat a number of times too. I was very fond of him. He really was a lovely man.

@@eddiesheehy3993 Thanks for that Eddie. Very kind of you to say that about my Dad. Did we ever meet by any chance on one of my visits to Kinsale? It's around twenty five years ago now! Best Regards, John (Spike) Hughes.

@@doughlashughes3577 I don't remember meeting you. I left Kinsale around 1996 but probably hadn't sailed with John since 1992. I remember hearing of his passing and feeling very sad that I couldn't be at his funeral. I live in Australia ... I don't often think that way about but your dad was special. And I loved his stories. Being sunk three times in WWII. I presume you were the "salvage son". Doug - its a pleasure to meet you.

Hi Douglas, it is my understanding she had engine trouble in Oysterhaven the night before. Instead of going well outside the sovereigns clear of land the skipper took her inside the sovereigns, lost his engine and was on the rocks in minutes.

So she was indeed - She came to the Weymouth Harbour Festival in the mid 1990s and her crew, augmented by Lieutenants Liz Lyon and Mark Lapping, (both of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards based at Bovington RAC Centre) acted a fun scene being boarded by pirates under Captain Gutbelly (all military from Lulworth) which ended with Gutbelly walking the plank and lots of staged cutlass fights in the rigging. Earlier in the week Astrid came round to Worbarrow Bay to pick us up for a rehearsal on a beautifully sunny day and we were struck by how majestic and beautiful she looked! After rehearsals and lunch onboard some of us who lived at Lulworth Camp dived in and swam to Arish Mell beach then walked home up the Lulworth Gunnery Ranges, having first dried ourselves in the sun while watching this wonderful ship sail back into Weymouth. Unforgettable sights and this always breaks my heart seeing her demise!

The Bounty was showing about 20' of Mastheads where she went down...the time to get her was "immediately" before the sea consumed her...but there was too much grief from the loss of life to think about that...funding at this point would be astronomical I would think...just my humble opinion.

Boat Axe Boo! Hiss!

++ maurice powers ++ Not sure if we are talking about the same Bounty here but as I understand it, in 1789 the original Bounty, as in Captain Blyth's mutiny was set on fire by the mutineers off the coast of the island of Pitcairn where they landed and eventually settled. No lives were lost in the process and the descendants of those settlers still live on the island today.

He is referring to the replica bounty built in the 60s. It went down in hurricane sandy a few years back.

the Bounty replica was a badly maintained wooden hulk that sank in 13,000 feet of water, there never was any chance of rescuing her.

apparently, the ship was loss due to an Engine failure as a result of fresh water contaminated of the fuel.

nightlightabcd yeah I'm also confused about dates

Extras: Has proven herself as a submarine too

Haha. Nice

Signalstat Steve Douglas nnnnnn

It was scrapped in 2014, so not really saving it

Very insightful. But no, it's still called sunk.

How can an engine failure be a cause of sail ship wreckage? Such ships had been sailing for centuries before Rudolf Diesel invented his engine. Being an inland rat, I'm surprised that classic sail ship has an engine propulsion. To me it sounds just awkward.

@@uralicdneprov1806 Auxiliary power source, in case there's no wind. Also maneuvering around port.

John Cotter yeah bro who records without first turning off the wind and throwing children into the sea??? I thought the same thing.. 😂

@@danieldmyers it appears atleast 9 others would have done so🤣🤣🤣

Judging by the dates in the video only about 2 months max. Amazing how quickly nature takes over

I'm very confused about the dates, I agree it looks like 3 months in the write up but but I wonder if it's more like a year?

@Geo Thomas just a dream...see a 'goonies' shipwreck with that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tQyWVxeukv0.html

I could hawe fixed her up.

Anything can be rebuilt with time and money

Serious damage yes but she's steel, just cut back to good lines and weld in new fresh bent plate. Jobs a goodun. Steel is best around the world, hit a reef, get her off and to any welder anywhere.... Theres lies here about reasons.

@@pikethree Thats what i am saying. If they really wanted to rebuild/ keep it they could of. Anything is fixable.

@@blowinkk9396 We had the keel come out of 40 ft Wooden fishing boat years ago and it was rebuilt. A skilled boat builder can carry out this work in their sleep. Look at Sampson boat co'effort. .ru-vid.com/show-UCg-_lYeV8hBnDSay7nmphUA

NAA just replace a few steel plates, easy peasy

Ursula Notebaart our government are as disgraceful, sure they don't care about anything unless they make money from it. Sure you can see that a revenue van was there seeing could they scam you into paying them more.

So first we complain that the government hasn't got enough money for defense, healthcare or social care, but as soon they don't want to spend multiple tens of thousands of euros (taxpayer that is) they're we complain about them being greedy and selfish? Dude

maybe she was in the way of the harbour and had to be lifted

it was in the worst condition possible.

sadly not, considering its condition, it was scrapped after it happened.

it has been broken up

Karl Grabe it was a nice ship why we sunk?

A terrible shame I sailed on her and helped with refitting some year's back , she was a very happy ship

I think some Aussie bought a lot parts from the boat masts and cabin pieces that could be pulled out in tact. My son law is currently stationed in Sydney says he knows of the company that bought most of the pieces for reuse. He says they have a huge yard there scattered with vintage tall ship parts. That's the rumor he told me he loves watching the yard on his days off has a zero maintenance home so he goes there and watches them restore tall ships. He's like 7 years from his full 20 years and he plans on applying there for a job says he learns alot from just watching the people in the yard working on these great ships.

Astrid had been around here since 1918, the accident occurred in 2013.

I can only shutter to guess to final billing for the recovery of the ship, drydocking and restoration work to be done... o_0

sadly, it may seem unlikely, as it has now been scrapped after it had happened.

Ridley Scott's Alien baby eating it's way out.

Part of the rigging?

Just going to keep runing that halfass joke in to the ground hu? Not very clever are you?😆😆😆

LOL Jimbo, seems like you just been had! I guess someone sent you to the Quartermaster to fetch elbow grease for the golden rivet, which would explain why you are so butthurt.

What's next the get me a box of grid squares? We get it you were the sailor from the village people.

jimbothedumbass + Seeing as you are so darned clever and know all the "golden oldies" how come you read my original post? LMFAO.

Jimbotheass Dude, I guess you were too drunk to remember plus your face was buried in the pillow, but I was the Red Indian whose turn it was after the sailor.

the first part you've mentioned was indeed Engine Failure.

Ship!

well indeed you'll be right, it was launched in 1918, and was lost in 2013, in which, the video shows you the ship after it sank.