Sinnis Terrain T380 Review | First Ride

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Sinnis Terrain T380 Review | First Ride - Here's something a little different, a full blown adventure bike for less than £4,500!! But is it any good? Stay tuned to find out....
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@Thirsty_Fox 2 года назад

"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten"... I'm apprehensive as more often than not, whatever you save from low initial cost you pay in the end. I like to be open-minded towards new companies, but there's a reason you pay a bit more for a Yamaha or Honda -- so much nicer to own long-term. Cheers and safe riding!

@NoelWeldon1980 2 года назад

That's pretty clever..almost 🦊 like cleverness 🤔. seriously though 100% agree,bought a h!ghsense tv once to save money,fell apart like a cheap eh Chinese motorcycle 😬

@Trev350 2 года назад

Or pay the same price and get a Himalayan with a three year warranty? I know what I would do.

@christaylor491 2 года назад

Very well said 👏

@mrsilbo6499 2 года назад

I'd find the extra £2k for a 2022 CB500X and enjoy the exponentially better build quality, finish, reliability and residuals. I'm mindful of the old truism that you cannot polish a turd.

@maskedavenger2578 2 года назад

Honda Suzuki ,Yamaha ,BMW ,Harley & others all have parts or full machines built in China .The bike your riding will more than likely have a least one or two Chinese components on it ,unless it’s a couple of decades old .

@Shinysideup 2 года назад

My Nephew brought a Sinnis 125 even though I said it would have been better to buy a decent used Japanese bike but he wanted a brand new bike. Honestly the worst ownership and dealer experience I’ve ever know in 40 years of motorcycling. Looking at the rust and wear on the bike with poor paint and fit and finish its not worth it, you could get a used KTM / Himalayan for less. The fact that Sinnis sent you a shed of a bike says it all about their approach to customer service.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Very strange move - not a great advert for the finish of the bike, it's a shame as it's actually pretty good to ride....

@LM-dj6gc 2 года назад

Where are you getting bad experiences with the Sinnis? Ive not had a bad experience with mine other than that they didn’t have a big top box available so I’m using the standard one.

@benjamin_day 2 года назад

Awful bikes. Speaking from experience as a person who had a inexpensive Chinese bike when I first started riding.

@roverchap 2 года назад

For the good of the world I think we should try to avoid buying new Chinese products. Value for money at the point of sale is one thing, but longer term sustainability is another. There's plenty of good used bikes out there of sufficient quality to offer similar value.

@maskedavenger2578 2 года назад

Most modern bikes even the so called big names have either some parts sourced & even whole machines built in China .They have all the modern technology & machines to produce to any standards & price point the costumer requires .

@spacecoasttactical 2 года назад

Nice idea. However, if you only bought items without Chinese content you'd be living in a house with no dishwasher, no washing machine, no TV, no radio, no broadband, you wouldn't have a computer or a car or any brand of motorcycle and you'd be commuting on a horse. It's unavoidable and completely self inflicted. The warning signs were plain as day in the 1970's and 80's

@yorkshireperson 2 года назад

I had a Sinnis 125, it was good looking, went well, rode nice and my local dealer was good. Being my first bike, and first new vehicle I've ever owned, It was dry stored and regularly treated with acf 50 I really looked after that bike and loved having it. Less than a year in (less than 2.5k miles) and rust started on the exhaust hangers and rear swingarm, the bike was in warranty and I contacted Sinnis for help, they could not have cared less and after an initial fob off just stopped replying. I sold the bike and it gave me the shove I needed to go do my full license, so some good came of it, but I wouldn't touch a Sinnis again.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Interesting feedback - thanks for that!

@axleg1254 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing that with us..

@iz723 2 года назад

Better off getting a used CB500X. Much better quality

@jmfreestuff73 2 года назад

The riding school I learnt at used the cb500x as instructor bikes. One guy put 47,000 miles on his over 3 years. All you need to do to that bike to make it look brand new is give it a good wash. Fantastic bikes with a solid engine. Definitely a better bet then Sinnis.

@carljnewrick7162 2 года назад

Cb500x great bike and great starter bike, did look at ktm at dealer but it broke down twice on the test ride so I walk away and if the Royal Enfield himalayan become a 650 then that bike I'll get next

@peter58murray 2 года назад

benelli trk502x is another good option...had mine 3 weeks and its amazing what quality you get for the money...the cb500x is made in Thailand so no better then the benelli

@deepsouthNZ 2 года назад

@@peter58murray v strom are still made in Japan which is good

@docmarten8382 2 года назад

*Sucks air through teeth*… when you showed the depths of corrosion and then the 70 reg plate….I dare say a soluble aspirin would last longer in the rain. If Sinnis are sending out bikes in that condition, I would question the quality of support you will get for your money.

@drink4711 2 года назад

Great and honest review Andy. For a bike with only 800 miles on the clocks, the finish looks absolutely appalling.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

I guess it's had a rough life thus far!

@eman19487 2 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer I think you are being diplomatic.

@robertspeicher5047 2 года назад

🙂 Your comment about the Himalayan....Royal Enfield bikes were used to ride tours in the Himilayan mountains...Ordinary street bikes going into some really tough areas..There are videos of this. The Himalayan was built from experience in the mountains. I watched one video with 350 street bikes and hymalayans.....A test forvthe new bike..I'm an old phart and plan on getting a Himilayan....The design fits my body style.....OLD.

@PaulSpades 2 года назад

As much as I admire the fact that Suzuki's engineering from 30 years ago stands the test of time, with new engines still being badly manufactured under license or just copied, this doesn't look like a good deal at all. At 2000 pounds you might consider an undepowered bike with cheap parts, but not 1000 pounds away from an indian made BMW or KTM, and the same price as a Royal Entfield bike, at least the Hymalayan has some personality. This thing is a loose aproximation of an f650 GS, that's not as well made, and I bet you could get a decent used f650 for the money. Sinnis should probably stick to 125cc bikes without 7inch displays, at least those come out cheap and cheerful.

@maskedavenger2578 2 года назад

I have owned several Suzuki’s besides Honda’s & other makes during my 50 or so years biking .I have never had any Suzuki or Honda no matter where manufactured break down on me ,only the odd puncture in tyre .

@a13bkd62 2 года назад

A really interesting comment; I'm guessing you've ridden or owned a Sinnis?

@PaulSpades 2 года назад

@@a13bkd62 how is that relevant to my arguments?

@MuscleBandit 2 года назад

A very generous review Andy, it's like Sinnis don't want these to sell 🤣 My 21yr old Bandit is in much better nick. Great review as always.

@morri03 2 года назад

Good to know it’s got a 17” front wheel on the back 😀

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Oops! You know what I mean..... :0)

@alanrobinson2229 2 года назад

Those Chinese!!!

@budbud2509 2 года назад

Yeah thats how they make it so cheap ..... 2 front wheels !! 😁

@Thirsty_Fox 2 года назад

@@budbud2509 Does that mean you have to rotate the tyres as part of maintenance? 🤔

@alanrobinson2229 2 года назад

@@budbud2509 sneaky

@peterwrench4416 2 года назад

Yeah, nah. After giving one a go (Lifan) my experience is they just don’t have the longevity or quality of the mainstream brands. They’re cheap for a reason folks.

@cthulhurising4860 2 года назад

The biggest 'adventure' of owning this bike will be figuring how to get home when it breaks down

@Banditmanuk 2 года назад

Considering the regime in China should we be buying at all? World's biggest polluter, appalling human rights but all we see is it's cheap so that's fine. If you want cheap go Enfield.

@douglasharre7156 2 года назад

Because Modi's India is a paragon of human rights virtue?

@nationalinterest1 2 года назад

India is a big polluter...not far by China.

@MrBottomrung 2 года назад

@@douglasharre7156 compared to China yes!

@SteveInskip 2 года назад

If you want to be ecological don’t buy a new bike full stop!

@markdavies2163 2 года назад

If you want to address all those issues, go Triumph or CCM (assuming you’re in the U.K.) as opposed to Enfield. I’m not disagreeing with you at all but there’s a whole load of layers to that onion, and I think the majority of people sadly can’t be arsed to research the ins and outs of ethical choice when it comes to many things including bikes - even just from the environmental perspective let alone human rights etc.

@grahamhiggins1 2 года назад

I can’t bear the dirty brown headers. Unfortunately a fair few Triumphs seem to do this too, due to the metal composition. Whereas I can ride my CB500X in all weathers and the headers stay silver from one month to the next. I clean them up once a year with Autosol to remove the slight copper coloured tarnish which is a very thin layer and quick to remove. Thanks for reviewing, hopefully a warning to anyone looking to part with hard earned funds.

@marcoluoma3770 2 года назад

Thanks fir sharing your experience on a brand-new bike. There may come a day when Chinese bikes can compete in terms of fit, finish, and reliability. But that day is many, many years away.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

...well this one's certainly not a good advert for it is it....

@philipfisher9167 2 года назад

Buy it cheap - Buy it twice Better off with a pre owned low mileage reliable brand.

@mikehurley5052 2 года назад

The state of it after 800 miles, damage aside, is the reason Chinese bikes are labelled as crap. I know it is cheap but money would better spent on used bike of a decent brand. My GS 650 is 2007 with 20,000 miles and in a million times better nick than that. Only chinese bike i like is the Benelli TRK 502, love the look of it. Spare parts will be a problem i guess, major brand dealers in most towns, Sinnis unlikely. Dont think you will see many of these in 5 years time.

@MarkATaylor 2 года назад

I think your ability to make a video about a bike like this worth watching is a credit to your channel Andy. Well done. A long term review might have great comedy value but I think you might struggle with the 5 things to love 😂

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Thanks for the kind words Mark - appreciated!

@ticthedog9413 2 года назад

There is only one choice in this sector/ price and it's the Himalayan, which has been well and truly tested by Noraly. Always enjoy your tours, have you got any planned for the future?

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Yep - stay tuned!

@ragerider6283 2 года назад

Decent review as ever but I would literally never consider buying it rightly or wrongly. Generally you get what you pay for. I would always go for a recognised brand but I appreciate you giving them a fair crack & doing something a bit different.

@MH-xd2nd 2 года назад

Unfortunately a close look reveals clear examples of poor quality. The engine coating, pipes, rear hugger attachment, no-brand brakes, plastics, weird pannier mounting and the fit and finish is really poor. If it’s really 800 miles then resale value will drop like a stone. Save your money and get a properly built and finished bike.

@Rob-on5tz 2 года назад

Well said, as an entry level, you won't go far wrong with a Honda NC750X, The looks of an adventure and built to last. You can pick up a good used one for around 5k.

@MH-xd2nd 2 года назад

I don’t care where the bike is made, this is not bashing Chinese manufacturing. But even at the cheap price, This just isn’t good enough quality. It’s a shame as inexpensive decent quality bikes will do much to get more people riding.

@mikehurley5052 2 года назад

My panniers are mounted the same way, no problem.

@bahjinelson3986 2 года назад

Mentioning the motorcycle license class is a nice touch. It's something I don't think about as an American. We take one written test, one riding test and we're done; licensed to ride anything with two wheels. A drivers license is all that's required for a scooter under 50cc and with an automatic transmission. I still haven't decided which system is better but I lean towards motorcycle culture as the more important component for safety.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

I think our system is better! I think it's crazy a youngster can take a rudimentary test and then jump on a 200hp superbike!

@richbrock9876 2 года назад

I’m waiting for my Honda crf300rally with a smile on my face. Doubt it will look as bad this after 5 years and 5 (let’s face it, inevitable) drops!

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

The CRF is a solid machine….

@michaelphythian5338 2 года назад

RE: Rust, I've just looked at the manual for this bike, I quote: "For oxygen colouring on lines of tube. It may be possible to walk away from damage when submerged in water by holding firmly with strength to the engine casing." That is the solution.

@AJG76 2 года назад

Used V Strom or similar any day of the week over this ( admittedly not A2 tho) or CB500x . Wouldn’t trust this not to fall apart gradually

@peter58murray 2 года назад

glad i chose the 2021 benelli TRK502X over this...for 5k i got a ex demo with 150 miles on it but the build quality looks miles better than the sinnis...ive done 600 miles in 2 weeks and it still looks brand new

@jasonwoods6889 2 года назад

I’ve done 5k on mine. Used in all weathers. Still looks brand new.

@jamesmcguckin6288 2 года назад

Looks like single skin mild steel exhausts, hence the rust. I wouldn’t buy one. I’m not adventurous lol 😆 Thanks for another great review Andy. Very much appreciated.

@robertbates1079 2 года назад

It could be marketed at the younger generation who will probably take off road and give it a hard time for a couple of years then chuck it away for something newer/better. But bit of heat resistant black paint on those headers , the crash bars did what they are supposed to do , the cheap switchgear may well last longer than bmw s premium stuff which is known for breaking down.... I'd like to see a long term review on one of these, maybe teapot likes a challenge ?...... actually teapot and his 20stone may have ridden this bike off road from brand new, so ....😳

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Yes I know he has ridden one of these - he has reviews on his channel....

@Shining_Whit 2 года назад

It's a bit like the LED torches that i used to sell. We got through a lot more of the Chinese ones than the American/European ones but that was because of all the exchanges and refunds we had to give. That being said, Chinese bikes are better than they were 8+ years ago. Could not have been much worse!

@davidturner1211 2 года назад

With the talk of poor paint and all that rust on show it reminds me of the build quality of my 64 plate BMW R1200 GSA

@jmfreestuff73 2 года назад

To be honest, I'm rather glad they gave you a shed of a bike. Gives you a glimpse of what an owner would have to put up with if they purchased one.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Well possibly yes! Good point…

@cams2575 2 года назад

That bike was registered on November 3rd 2020 and those pipes are goosed in under a year and 800 miles 🤷‍♂️ Very diplomatic and you do give these Chinese bikes a chance. I also get what you are saying about a cheap n cheerful adventure bike... but.... after seeing this, I'd give it a miss big time. Major own goal by Sinnis giving you that bike to review. They look like very mild steel pipes and after only about 3 1/2 months of a British winter they're finished. Ooooooooooft. Good review. Glad you didn't miss them! 👍

@robbo8099 2 года назад

Benelli TRK can be bought for a little more (yes another Chinese / Italian import). Although I have no experience of this bike, I did own a Leoncino for a couple of years which did perform very well for a 500cc and I had no issues with quality! Worth a look if you're in the market for a budget adventure bike?

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

I've heard good things about the Benelli's - no personal experience of them to date though....

@yorkchris10 2 года назад

The Himalayan has good aftermarket support for suspension etc... Someone could make a SS exhaust, but suspension tuning would be a deal breaker. Sino-Japanese motor probably okay. Maybe good for drag and drop ADV.

@fountainofyouth5 2 года назад

You keep saying "full-size", but I'm not sure that word means what you think it means :) If the engine size starts with a 3...it's not full-sized!

@andyogston8940 2 года назад

Would like to know what a half sized adventure bike is...

@jrjoiner6948 2 года назад

@@andyogston8940 125cc adv unicycle?

@fountainofyouth5 2 года назад

@@andyogston8940 then you came to the right video, just watch on!

@davidhall370 2 года назад

If the big GS and a Triumph Tiger had a kid then here it is. With a face only the Tiger could love.

@twowheelstouring482 2 года назад

At the back it's got a 17" front wheel!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sold, I'll have one.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Oops - my bad - you know what I mean..... ;0)

@CaiStroudHD 2 года назад

This is primarily the issue, on paper, yes it may be reliable, it may be cheap, it may seem like it’s got good levels of equipment but you look for the full story… main brands hold their value and don’t tank like Chinese bikes do, quality is generally completely different, power wise they’re generally always better when comparing like for like. I’ve always been of the belief that they have their purpose but as a competitor to the more expensive stuff it’s not the same

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

In this case, based on this motorcycle, I agree!

@user-ck6kq8zl2i 2 года назад

I had a colleague who had one of these chinese bikes ( not this particular model however) and when he returned to it at the end of the day to ride home, it was more rusty then when he'd parked it up in the morning.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Hilarious!

@markdavies2163 2 года назад

“Sinnis Terrain” = “Sinister Rain” 🤣🤣🤣 Their marketing team didn’t think that one through eh 🤣🤣🤣

@garybrown4854 2 года назад

HAHA I said that on someone else's post about this bike or the 125 version can't remember 😂

@markdavies2163 2 года назад

@@garybrown4854 haha great minds think alike 🥳🤣 LETS SET UP A MOTORCYCLE MARKETING COMPANY 🤣🙌🥳👍

@Shinysideup 2 года назад

Definitely Sinnister rain look whats its done to the exhaust

@jimporter 2 года назад

Might be cheap to buy up front, but whether it is value or not could be impacted on how it lasts and what you can get for it when you sell.

@4RMS7TRONG 2 года назад

"At the back its got a 17" front wheel". Huh? great review!

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Well spotted!

@itsajapanesepeacelily3312 2 года назад

Speaking of a cheaper 'Chinese' adv bike; i'd be curious to see what you think about the Benelli TRK502(x) compared to this and the CB500X

@grahamhiggins1 2 года назад

I’ve ridden that bike and can confirm it’s awful and poorly built. It’s no comparison with my Honda CB500X.

@robertspeicher5047 2 года назад

Cannot recall the name of the bike sold in California. The imported were 250 cc. The business worked with the factory and were able to improvebthe " bike "...There was 400cc. Haven't heard anything about that bike. There were videos, on YOU TUBE of the Chinese versions.

@senseiois4208 2 года назад

You could paint the down pipes in eith poly eurathane or in an an anti rust paint

@MadOldBiker 2 года назад

Basically any press bike, I have seen so far is usually in better condition than that and this was clearly abused. Would it put me off buying one for the money ? probably not- its a bike that needs a lot of TLC and maintenance...it's not gonna be in the league of the Himlayan or Tiger...again reflected in the price..excellent review as always mate...not too negative....LOL

@jrjoiner6948 2 года назад

Feel like sinnis has dropped the ball here! Can't believe the state of the bike but at the same time - I'm kind of glad to see the state of the bike after 800 miles

@OrmTourist 2 года назад

Thanks for bringing variety to your reviews Andy. Not everyone has £12k to spend on a GS, but would like to get I to this market.

@garylewis3780 2 года назад

I spotted several BMW GS stylised parts there. The screen, the little wid deflectors at the side of the screen and the headlight. I think the Chinese must have a 3-D photo copier 😜. The quality doesn’t seem great but for that kind of money what do you expect?. But for me, I could never get over the fact that I would have to tell people that I rode a “sinister rain” and that it travelled along the road on two dim sum. I’ll get my chopsticks

@MOTOUK1 2 года назад

Shocked Sinnis would even give you a press bike in that condition wow 😯 rusty even the bolts in the bar ends! Some how wonder if the materials are made for warmer climates as it looks like it won’t last another winter.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Agreed

@steveball2307 2 года назад

Get a year old second hand 390 Adventure with less than 3000 on the clock for the same money, a superior bike in any department you care to mention.

@owl77 2 года назад

New bike but like what you said, doubt it can last. I like to see more on the TFT screen please. 😊 Agreed that RE would be better which is almost the same price. I think.

@gopher1471 2 года назад

There's also a Benelli Imperial 400 for around the same money and yes it's also Chinese.

@dustymiller7758 2 года назад

You were very subtle with your review, this machine looks and rides well for a short while and then will dissolve very quickly in this countries weather. Very shabby finish on the machine.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Agreed.....

@palantir135 2 года назад

Good looks and specifications don’t say that much. Build quality shows itself only after a few years after the bike has seen all kinds of weather. I mean rust, electronics, suspension, drive chain etc. Will the engine keep up its horsepower and torque? Only if you can find bikes of five or more years old that are still in good condition, I would consider buying a new one. The bike is still too young to get that proven. But since Japanese bikes have proven themselves indestructible, I probably would buy a second hand Japanese bike of about the same bike.

@davidbeckerleg6954 2 года назад

Sinnis tell me they're no longer pursuing this model anymore which is a pity...such a short life? So we're left with the 125 Terrain only.. I know there's a number of new 380's available in some dealers but long term parts availability I guess will be an issue.. Cracking review Andy as always.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

How interesting - did they say why?

@davidbeckerleg6954 2 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyerThey never gave a reason and to be fair I never asked.. I questioned as to why they don't show the Terrain 380 on their site? As i was seriously considering buying one.. A Sean from their Commerce service team mailed me a reply to say it's not a bike they're pursuing anymore.. Pity really.. It showed real promise.. May well be typical of some Chinese makers discontinuing certain models as they do..

@stevenhill6214 2 года назад

Yes well.......i always thought these Chinese bikes were excellent value for money, but your open and honest review has changed that somewhat, and i would be having palpitations if the exhaust on my bike rusted like that!

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Not good is it.....

@maskedavenger2578 2 года назад

I think the Sinnis Terrain 125 is a better buy than this larger model .The brown corroded mild steel down pipes are easily sorted by coating them with some Zeebo grate polish .You put it on like shoe polish ,& when it wears off in heavy rain ,it takes 5 mins to re- apply .It’s an old Brit scrambler bikers tip for un chromed exhaust pipes .Failing that I dare say an aftermarket stainless or carbon system will be available as the bike is sold around the world under the Zongshen Cyclone name .Sinnis are just importers who visit Chinese factory’s & order their bikes with the Sinnis name & model name on them .They don’t build any bikes as far as I know although they might get to have a little input if they order enough .The bike looks unfinished & needs a bash plate ,& the panniers junking & maybe better gearing ratios & lower price .Given the choice in the 400 range I would pick the Himalayan all day long ,Itchy Boots has proven its capabilities in tough conditions in Asia .Europe & the Andes in South America’s .Good straight talking honest review Mr Flyer 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@billcotton1551 2 года назад

That exhaust system would be lucky to last 2 years in a wet climate. At least the oil filter isn't in a vulnerable position.

@drumbrakes 2 года назад

For the same price as a KTM 390 Adv, you can get a BMW G310GS, which would get my money if I was buying an A2 Adventure bike. Made in India, but with build quality to keep the German designers happy. Not quite as powerful as the 390, but a lot less Orange.

@nigelren3719 2 года назад

800 miles wow. We only get a Wednesday now? I hope you're not going to pack in the RU-vid lark TMF, I really enjoy your videos.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Wednesday is my regular upload now with the occasional bonus, usually on a Saturday….thanks for the kind words!

@gnupf 2 года назад

Ah! It's got a front wheel on the back as well. That's good. 😃

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

You know what I meant!!!!

@grayman999 2 года назад

I did consider one of these 380's sometime ago but having owned a similar Chinese 250 for 4 years I shied away from this brand I think the benelli is a better option or the cfmoto brand mainly because they produce a 500 cc which I feel fare better in modern road conditions and are better made . No way should a company supply a review bike in that condition what where they thinking ?

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

I imagine they are possibly wondering the same!

@simonlloyd3936 2 года назад

don't know if anyone else has noticed That's the same bike teapot 1 had in his review 10months ago and he did a bit off roading,

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Is it? Well spotted….

@yorkshireR9T 2 года назад

A budget commuter. I would keep it covered in acf50 and be prepared to get the hammerite out.

@Rob-on5tz 2 года назад

He he Or just the Hammer to bang out the dents that will definitely occur on those paper thin panniers!!

@yorkshireR9T 2 года назад

@@Rob-on5tz they probably leak as well.

@andrewshore262 2 года назад

Good point raised regarding the panniers and their cost in comparison to others, the only high point I’m afraid.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

...to be fair, it rides petty well....

@simonstokes6561 2 года назад

If I was in the market for an ‘adventure’ bike, the TRK 502x would one I would look at. But I’m not, so it’s a moot point. Owning an Italian sports bike is always an adventure anyway……..!

@AGardenShed 2 года назад

Personally when I found myself with some money for a bike I bought a Himalayan. Better dealer coverage and more character to it and in my opinion looks better too. LCD on the Sinnis seems a bit gimmicky. Considering they are the same price I think the himmy better for the money.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Yes I agree….

@AGardenShed 2 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer yeah I know I saw. Panniers look the same as the himmys. Same design in terms of release mechanism and over all design. But they look like their on backwards.

@colindeans5972 2 года назад

The way in which the more established manufacturers charge £1000-£1600 for metal panniers can only be described as shameful racketeering. These Sinnis boxes are possibly not the best on the market however they do represent great value. Soft panniers from companies like LOMO Watersports is the way forward in my opinion and I'd be interested in your review of them. Thanks again TMF, you made that 'tired' new bike sound pretty good. Cheers.

@gerrypowell2748 2 года назад

Great copy and yes the process of steel manufacture in China can be termed as economic but it will sell due to its cost and most who buy it will simply replace it when necessary😜

@johna6968 2 года назад

Knowing the exposure it would get on the channel I'm genuinely surprised Sinnis let that bike out of the door.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Not a great advert is it, it's a shame as it's actually pretty good to ride....

@iangriffiths9930 2 года назад

I agree there Andy but I’m not sure all reviewers are as, let’s say careful with what many would consider a cheap bike. I’m not sure I’d keep spending money on a bike only to have it come back in a hell of a condition to only have to fix everything again! It’s a really difficult one as I’m sure if it was someone’s personal bike it would be a lot better taken care of.

@mikehurley5052 2 года назад

@@iangriffiths9930 Itchy Boots first Himmy looked better than that after crossing half the world and 36000kms.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Maybe Ian, in my experience press bikes are usually top of the range and in tip top condition (for fairly obvious reasons you'd think!)

@iangriffiths9930 2 года назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Hi Andy of course I can see that but I was just trying to say that we don’t know how this bike has been treated or if it’s come from a dealer or the last reviewer like that?. I 100% agree it shouldn’t be in this condition but maybe we shouldn’t be so hard until we know why it’s in this condition and why Sinnis let it go out like this?

@jh9493 2 года назад

Looks like an early GS tbh 🤔 another quality review Andy 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Thanks 👍

@nickthequick 2 года назад

The entire finish of this bike looks like absolute rubbish, from the plastic of the cockpit to the metal around the engine, the brakes to the panniers which had such a tinny sound when you closed one of them, that it made me doubt they are even made of aluminium. It reminds me of those cheap "Hi-Fi" box systems you could once buy for no money. As you hinted yourself this bike will not last long. I am pretty sure that the old adage of "buying cheap stuff is expensive in the long run" fits perfectly here.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Yes you may be right, not a great advert for the finish of the bike, it's a shame as it's actually pretty good to ride....

@patrickryan7370 2 года назад

Hi Andy, enjoy your videos, but does the sun ever shine where you live? I seemed to have missed your summer.

@markdavies2163 2 года назад

Well it is a review of the “Sinister Rain” 🤣🤣

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Not much Patrick!

@nbt74 2 года назад

For £1000 extra the KTM is the obvious choice. Always open minded about new companies but it is a shame about the build quality however it is something we have come to expect from cheap Chinese manufacturers.

@DatOldeBiker 2 года назад

Thanks Mr Flyer. I have been following the Sinnis brand since their stylish and very lively 125 came out. This one definitely looks quite good value, but like yourself I find the wear and tear factor a little alarming, I guess time will tell. :>)

@oldfartuk 2 года назад

ive ridden the same bike ..its not too bad at all ..you get a real bang for your buck .. and ..yeah the exhaust is horrible I'll give you that lol .. saying that is not too much of a problem to sort out

@commonsense769 2 года назад

Sorry not my cup of tea, but thanks for the great video and your valued informative opinion! 👌

@robedmunds7163 2 года назад

Bought a brand new Kawasaki Z250 in the 80s and the nose of the seat had worn through the tank paint before the 500mile service. Also seems the Himalayan tank is so thin the top dents easily. You get what you pay for I guess.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Generally that’s true in life isn’t it….

@shashimenon1000 2 года назад

At that price and the fittings, lasting 3 years of bashing without falling apart should count as a good deal. Should cruise at 100-120 kph and that should do it.

@davidellis5964 2 года назад

After a few British winters ?? We shall see ??. The old saying " You get what you pay for. "

@ironkcirb285 2 года назад

So what your saying is "you too can be a right charlie for less than £5K" lol

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

One way of looking at it!!

@alantuck106 2 года назад

Another great review Andy, How about trying the Zontes ZT310T2 and pair them up ?????

@creedm3040 2 года назад

As always a good honest review. I think this bike would be good for a young rider short on change . Maybe? I would opt for a used bike from an established brand. At 800 miles that is a statement as to what you are getting. That’s pretty crusty for those miles.

@stevecade857 2 года назад

So much right outweighed by so much wrong makes spending the extra on something else worthwhile. Who sticks an unprotected oil filter inline with the front wheel especially on an offroad biased machine with no belly pan. The panniers, although great value, look like they'll last as long as the exhaust. Not convinced about a hand tightened method of attachment either. What stops the big nut backing of over time from vibration? It can be done quite easily but I couldn't see anything.

@garybrown4854 2 года назад

Take a look at Suzuki's newest V strom , they have their oil filter in the same place , it's a bit odd to do that , they do have a belly pan you can buy though , agree with you about those pannier attachments wouldn't last long considering the environment it supposed to be in , cheap though .

@johnclifton3512 2 года назад

The panniers are identical to the RE Himalayan ones (but cost less I noticed!). The fixing is excellent as TMF said and there is a lock-nut to prevent the main lock from working loose. My RE panniers have been excellent so far so if these are indeed identical, they should be fine long term.

@henrietn 2 года назад

Cb500x is the same unprotected oil filter behind the front wheel

@martinwhite7340 2 года назад

The plastic bolts don't inspire confidence either. First drop you will be leaving a pannier behind.

@johnclifton3512 2 года назад

@@martinwhite7340 You'd go off-roading with panniers on?

@EricThomasHunterSweetland 2 года назад

Good Review as usual. Obviously built to a price point. Wonder what a 3 year old one would look like and cost..

@pja7 2 года назад

It's a bargain until you try to sell it second hand

@returnedtotheearth1326 2 года назад

As a new Tiger 900 GT Pro owner, to compare its looks to that hurts 😂 I think paint thats worn through in 20 hours of riding highlights a reason not to buy this bike. Yes it’s cheap but that doesn’t mean you should waste £4k on such a poor quality bike. I can’t stand having a dirty bike for more than a day or two. I’m weird like that. Poor paint and rust in such a short space of time isn’t good and would give me a mental breakdown 😂 Press bikes get hammered, yes, but better built press bikes still don’t look like that.

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Indeed..thanks for watching

@PhilipBallGarry 2 года назад

"Timsun" - Son of "Timdad" 👍😂

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

:0)

@MrYeahyouknow 2 года назад

I would say the honda cb500x would be better bike to go for although more expensive

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

100% agreed - the CB500X is rock solid - built to last too!

@billmillar8148 2 года назад

Resale values will be cheap as chips, so once you get one yer stuck with it

@Marc-zf3xv 2 года назад

Those front rotors look shot as well. And there is the rub with cheap bikes like this, they are a lot like strippers, they look great, until the lights are turned on.

@stevehall7462 2 года назад

That must be the dirtiest machine I have seen you with - Did the cleaning kit come out before it goes in the garage?

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

I'm afraid the problems with the fit and finish were too much for my bucket and sponge!

@daved4094 2 года назад

Fitting of the Top Box very poor idea if your off to Santander for a touring holiday. You arrive at the ferry and realise you have to empty the box to take it off to take it to your cabin and the same again when you go back to your bike. It could be a half decent cheap bike, but the term spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar comes to mind with the general finish.

@aunoates6617 2 года назад

I’ve never taken the whole box up to the cabin, just taken the bag out, so this arrangement would work for me.

@jasonwoods6889 2 года назад

The gearing in this bike is horrendous, and the side stand is way too short. If you are interested in these kind of bikes try to get your hands on a Benelli TRK 502 X. I commute from Northampton to London every week on mine and it’s incredible.

@SandraOrtmann1976 2 года назад

Well...it is all nice and dandy that you buy such a bike. But what if you have a crappy dealer/shop? I experienced that first-hand, when I bought my Benelli. It rode pretty well, looked great. But from the getgo, I had some quarrels with that bike. The display/sensors did not work properly. Yes, it got repaired. But even as I told the lady at the shop that the fuel indicator did not work, and she wrote it down, it was not repaired with the non-working tacho and km counter. I had to put it in a second time. Also, I told them, if they did it properly, they had the chance of selling not one, but three bikes (my husband was interested in their TRK, and my daughter got their 125cc license last month). The shop really screwed it up. After my husband's Yamaha XT decided to not work properly any more after 20 years, he chose the Tenere as his next ride. Having a 48 PS bike, I talked to the Yamaha dealer about taking in my Benelli for a Tracer 700 to match the Tenere. They took it for a nice sum, and now I have a great dealer and a great bike. I started to really scratch my head when I took apart the Benelli seat (I have re-holstered bikes several times, so I know what I am doing). The shell broke on me when I was removing the clamps holding the cover - it almost felt like a joghurt bucket. I never had that kind of hassle with my former XT seat shell...that was bombproof. Well, I patched it up, and it held the year I rode the Benelli. But back in my head, I thought "if that part is that crappy, what else might lie beneath the surface? How long will it hold up - the 5 years I am estimating? Or even less?" (I am a rider who wants a bike that basically fulfills all my needs, and I do not like to exchange them very often). So I was more than happy to ditch the Benelli for the Yamaha. This might be an exception, but that was my short experience with a Chinese bike at a suspiciously low price - but it looked fantastic.

@ag666999 2 года назад

Maybe Suzuki, Yamaha etc could fit worse brakes, no traction control, plastics that go brittle in a year, cheap switchgear, nylon tyres, make it look shiney in the showroom and rust on the ride home etc etc and get near a price of a chinese bike?... then you get the benefit of buying from a country who pay their population in more than rice and beans for working 18 hour shifts. Like my Dad always said "cheap is cheap for a reason, buy cheap buy twice"...and you say people slag off chinese bikes for "some reason"?

@tellthetruth2215 2 года назад

I've worked on Chinese bikes owned by new riders who can't afford anything else. Oddly these bikes eventually end up in the canal with an insurance claim and the kid goes on to get a car so I guess Chinese bikes are also bad for our insurance industry :-)

@ag666999 2 года назад

@@tellthetruth2215 ...and if the importer sends a test bike out like that you can only guess their attitude to warranty claims. I told my boy to work harder, save harder, ditch the phone you don't need and buy a quality used japanese bike which will give him a better overall experience and hopefully keep him interested in riding motorcycles

@stuartcrane9409 2 года назад

Hi Andy I’ve been looking at the Royal Enfield Himalaya that you reviewed last 3 years ago, that bike appears to be a better bet which does your vote go go to?

@TheMissendenFlyer 2 года назад

Yes the Himalayan

@cp4512 2 года назад

Chinese seem to chuck out old tech cheap rubbish of dubious quality. A fool and his money are easily separated. Better buy 2nd hand decent quality from Europe or Japan.