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Six-Year-Old First-Grader Intentionally Shoots Teacher | Richneck Elementary School Shooting 

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@amyhenson1878
@amyhenson1878 Год назад
This is why I left my kindergarten class mid year. I had 3 specific children making threats, hurting, and throwing furniture. I was told to document. That was it. Absolutely no support. It was horrible, stressful and unfair to me and my students.
@kelseymathias3881
@kelseymathias3881 Год назад
wow...used to be that teachers just feared high school students...now it's all the way down to kindergarten. why would anyone want to be a classroom teacher anymore?
@robyn3349
@robyn3349 Год назад
Schools are not healthy safe places, even in Kindergarten? Time to change the system. School Choice for all.
@rtos
@rtos Год назад
Kindergarten children making threats! What the world come to?
@mjesns77
@mjesns77 Год назад
does anyone know why the schools don’t support the teachers? i just don’t understand why bc they are on the same side. if anything, not helping the teacher can lead to this situation. and a lawsuit. seems backwards to me
@jabine59
@jabine59 Год назад
@@mjesns77 I'm guessing admin fears parent will sue if their kids get kicked out on the teacher's word alone, hence the document, document, document...
@isostasique
@isostasique Год назад
I NEVER thought I could feel aversion against a 6 year old, and yet here we are.
@jori7398
@jori7398 Год назад
Yep, here we are. The world has gone mad and it seems that psychos are everywhere.
@kimwhatmatters4085
@kimwhatmatters4085 Год назад
@@user-account-not-found what are you talking about ??? What’s the difference between at 6 yr old and a 60 yr old besides the fact the 60 had faced whatever the 6 yr old had faced in tenfold. As far as personality& morals basically your core fiber you are who you are by 5yrs old. You’re either for a punitive punishment or not. If so we should abolish prison and have only rehab. If we’re not going to that model I don’t get how a 6 yr old is some how wayyy less cognizant than a seven year old. If they can try a 14/15/16/17 yr old as an adult why can’t they charge a 6 yr old as a 7 yr old ge shot someone!!! We gotta keep the consistent or we’re just ruining lives just to do it we don’t actually believe punishment helps keep society structured and builds or protect the greater good.
@Paysoncougarfan.7885
@Paysoncougarfan.7885 Год назад
After a 23 year military career, I retired to teach High School mathematics in the inner city. During the 7 years in the inner city I had one gun incident in the classroom, one knife fight, I was assaulted twice, and observed unbelievable miss deeds.There was zero administrative support, students ran the institution with no respect of the other students or teachers. I finally transferred to the suburbs and fished a rewarding 20 year career teaching math.
@reycesarcarino4653
@reycesarcarino4653 Год назад
The System is literally Juking Stats
@rahrahrah8405
@rahrahrah8405 Год назад
Those kids are out of control animals.
@wot4me2
@wot4me2 Год назад
You are amazing. I cannot imagine spending 7 years teaching inner city high school, even with 23 years of military training. Single parent homes, absent fathers, children left to raise themselves with many ending up in the criminal justice system- what could go wrong? I'm glad you were able to get out and end on a good note.
@Paysoncougarfan.7885
@Paysoncougarfan.7885 Год назад
@@wot4me2 There we’re some hidden diamonds in the inner city, kids that would do well in any environment, they kept me going.
@sandrag3854
@sandrag3854 Год назад
If his parents only missed that one day of going to school with him, how is it he so frequently was disruptive and also wandered around the school? His parent just sat in the classroom?
@victoriaroot5724
@victoriaroot5724 Год назад
I feel for all teachers who try their best and do everything they can to teach without helpers in the classroom. Inclusion has caused a lot of these issues. A close family member of mine is a teacher and she had a student with an IQ of 60 in her classroom with a full classroom of kids trying to teach. This was probably about 20 years ago. She's retired now and the child got out of the classroom and got lost and then she had to take her other children out with her to try to find this child. I also have experienced this as a mother and I have children who would come home and tell me stories about the kids in the classroom that they included and I would think it what a distraction that was to the rest of the kids. I'm sure if I was a parent I would want my kid to be included but at some point is it fair to the child? Maybe they deserve to get the help they need that they won't get when they're in a classroom with 25 to 30 other students. I think it's a no win situation.
@terrygoyan
@terrygoyan Год назад
Incredible.....society will have to deal with this kid as he grows up, until he commits another heinous crime or maybe kills someone. The parents need to be held accountable and for more than a misdemeanor! They knew the kid is troubled and yet kept what almost certainly was a loaded gun in the house where he could access it. I had a second grade teacher that was brutal with a ruler. Really knew how to whack your knuckles! When I went home my parents asked what I had done to deserve it, not blaming the school or teacher at all. Those were better days!
@brigidspencer5123
@brigidspencer5123 Год назад
As an Education Assistant I have worked with very disturbed children for many years. If the Administrators are competent and hands on these children, who always have an Individual Education Plan (IEP), a living legal document. It seems like the administration that was incompetent and MIA. It's too bad that these staff members don't have a union to protect them from lazy administrators. This situation isn't good for any students, staff or the acting out student. These parents should be be investigated by social workers to see what kind of home environment they have that an angry 6 year old child would have access to a loaded weapon plus negligent parents who apparently do not check their child's backpack. Too bad impacted staff don't sue these parents so that lousy parents start actually parenting and disciplining their children.
@blessednestbabies1354
@blessednestbabies1354 11 месяцев назад
Obviously I can't know what this districts policies are, but my experience having my own child with severe mental and behavioral needs is that the system forces a Gen Ed. environment for as long as humanly possible regardless of the effect on staff, other students or the child themselves. There is a misconception that every, or at least most, parents will complain about exclusion. This is not always the case. Every single IEP meeting, and many emails and phonecalls in-between did I advocate for my son to be removed from Gen Ed for the safety of EVERYONE. He is doing the best that he has ever done, in his level IV school setting - and it should have happened a year before it did.
@reubenisrael4003
@reubenisrael4003 Год назад
I am a father of an 8 and 5yr old boys. I cannot fathom the hatred this 6 yr old boy had to the point to murder an adult. The biggest losers in this case are his parents and where is his dad? Looks like this boy's action is highly linked to critical psychological and behavioural problems that were not handled adequately. Like Dr. Grande mentioned what future will this boy have, only a very sad and tragic one we can expect. Unless someone is done to correct and transform him to be a responsible adult who will contribute positively to society. And the school.... I've read enough negligence on their part here. The school needs a huge transformation from the inside out.
@evelynwaugh4053
@evelynwaugh4053 Год назад
No child who is so out of control that he needs a parent with him in school (per the IEP) should be in a class with other children who need a reasonably calm and controlled atmosphere to learn. That's insane.
@denischabriddell986
@denischabriddell986 Год назад
It sounds like if he had an IEP they weren't honoring it. So was he receiving the proper help he needed.
@natman2939
@natman2939 Год назад
My thoughts exactly. I’ve never heard of a parent having to come to school with their children
@natman2939
@natman2939 Год назад
@@Joe-sg9ll What is racist? The person said that a child who has behavior provoked bad enough they need a parent with them in school shouldn’t be around other kids. What does that have to do with race? Is that something a particular race does regularly??? Because I’ve literally never heard of it. Ever. Please enlighten me.
@mp5249
@mp5249 Год назад
Welcome to public school. I had a special needs kid in my car for a field trip (unbeknownst to me) who was incredibly violent and had a full-time worker who didn't go with me and my INFANT IN MY CAR!! At one point he had threatened to stab us with a screwdriver he found in the car. He rode with his hands on top of his head. To get to the location. He was in kindergarten. Later removed from class for constant violent behaviors. This was over 20 years ago. Oh, he's in prison now.
@natman2939
@natman2939 Год назад
@@Joe-sg9ll so they won’t shoot people….
@mauricedavis2160
@mauricedavis2160 Год назад
I'm sorry to say, but that child's parents need to be held seriously accountable!!!🙏😢❣️
@abelcaine9519
@abelcaine9519 Год назад
watch heavy duty country video of this childs video he made with the gun saying he was going to murder her go watch video in heavy duty country parents told child he couldn't get in trouble at his age
@ImNotaRussianBot
@ImNotaRussianBot Год назад
Weren't they charged with felony negligence?
@abelcaine9519
@abelcaine9519 Год назад
@@ImNotaRussianBot waiting to see what happens but the parents knew child had access,told child he couldn't get in trouble at his age did tou see the video if the child w the gun saying he was going to burn her down... who took the video...mom?
@sharonreeves9093
@sharonreeves9093 Год назад
As a retired teacher of 33 years this story just reminds me of why I left when I did. Having a lack of administrative support, oversized classes, and parents that often blame the teacher for their child's behavior are very common problems nationwide. She was, at 25, an obviously new teacher with only 2-3 years experience under her belt. The student was apparently very aggressive and disturbed and should have been receiving a LOT of supervision and supportive care. For someone to say they kept a 9mm handgun under lock and key, with a trigger lock, unloaded, and yet this child still managed to obtain it, load it, and carry it to school is ludicrous. They are covering their own lack of compliance with the law. This whole story is disturbing on so many levels. I hope the teacher recovers quickly and then hires a good Attorney.
@vikramgupta2326
@vikramgupta2326 Год назад
Gun was 9 mm, there is no 45 mm caliber fyi. Just a detail, not intended to nitpick
@LordBaldur
@LordBaldur Год назад
@@vikramgupta2326 Such calibers exist... in anti-armor weapons.
@b-rok55
@b-rok55 Год назад
@@LordBaldur yea, that's what I was gonna say lol 😂 45mm is roughly 1.77 inches, which is way too large for it to be fired from a traditional shoulder fired rifle, so it's definitely not gonna be something that would be able to be fired from a handgun
@mariaes623
@mariaes623 Год назад
It's difficult for me to believe that a child with such “disabilities” is allowed in a mainstream school setting! 🤦‍♀️
@erikred8217
@erikred8217 Год назад
yep. the dirty game has wiped out the clean one. here comes the crunch.
@cewe2003
@cewe2003 Год назад
I am an education (kinder teacher) and what makes me the angriest when it comes to cases like this is that the school doesn’t think of the other students in the classroom. This child was allowed to stay in the classroom despite his destructive behavior and threats. How the heck are the other students are able to learn in that kind of environment? And all the school says is to document the behavior, like that is suppose to do something.
@olilumgbalu5653
@olilumgbalu5653 Год назад
Schools are caught between a rock and a hard place... if they had tried to expel him, the parents would likely have sued the school.
@mmps18
@mmps18 Год назад
This!!!
@bellamichelle6248
@bellamichelle6248 Год назад
I don’t understand why he was allowed there with no parents present that day- especially when that was a requirement for him
@MelindaMc
@MelindaMc Год назад
What if kid had shot other students?
@1xoACEox1
@1xoACEox1 Год назад
The kid was smart enough to bring the gun on the one day his parents weren't there. Absolutely premeditated.
@sharonmoore5580
@sharonmoore5580 Год назад
Good point
@Spacepluscaptive
@Spacepluscaptive Год назад
Absolutely damaged child. I wouldn’t charged this child even if it was legal. You know damn well his head ain’t right
@surrealsteph
@surrealsteph Год назад
Exactly! He knew what he was doing!
@Galaxie08
@Galaxie08 Год назад
A 6-year old doesn't think in those terms. 6, not 16.
@Galaxie08
@Galaxie08 Год назад
@@user-account-not-found What a BS.
@elaineteeter9485
@elaineteeter9485 Год назад
My friend was a middle school teacher and the students were not allowed to have cell phones in class. When she tried to get the cell phone away from the boy she was attacked so violently she wound up in the hospital. A boy in the class went to her aid and probably saved her life. My friend recovered but never went back to teaching. Something must be done about this. When I was in school (in the 1960s) this was unheard of. I'm amazed that anyone would be a teacher in these days,
@robinlinn142
@robinlinn142 Год назад
School was terrible for me in the 70's and 80's, but this type of behaviour just did not happen in that time and place.
@kaseys2004
@kaseys2004 Год назад
Honestly back in the day children were disciplined with spankings. From school and at home. Kids knew to respect their teachers and parents. Today's kids are screwed up bc the whole no one looses concept and no discipline. Kids aren't spanked when they do wrong like throwing, hitting, or yelling. Just so I'm clear i said spank not beat, there is a difference. Kids get away with everything bc someone will call cps or they threaten to do it. Then kids never learn to lose. They are given something with saying everyone's a winner speech. No the kid who busted his butt needs the recognition not little Billy who screwed around and didn't actually work on anything. Plus back then moms were home when kids were. A lot of kids are latch key kids now bc both parents have to work just to survive, so no one is home to give guidance or counsel. Today's kids have the internet and watch others do things so they mimick it. They are spoiled on technology from phones to game consoles.
@valeriemanuel1346
@valeriemanuel1346 Год назад
Dr. Grande this was very informative. I'm curious why a child exhibiting this type of behavior would not be in a more controlled environment. This begs the question about the school administration at the highest level.
@LadyKej
@LadyKej Год назад
It’s because having too many children in self-contained SPED classrooms doesn’t “look good” for the school district or the state. Many special programs have been shut down, and the kids placed in general education classrooms without the intensive support they so desperately need, leaving the overworked teachers to try to deal with it as best they can.
@TurkeyFarmerGirl
@TurkeyFarmerGirl Год назад
I pulled my son out of head start last year, 2 other 5 yr Olds attacked him on a daily basis. His teacher was on camera putting her hands on my son. 6 week Olds to 5 year Olds attend there. My son qualified to attend free of charge due to our income. Headstart in my area is a dumping ground for future criminals.
@momvanup
@momvanup Год назад
I worked in this district. There are resources for these situations, but it's unlikely the student would be eligible until "less restricting" environments are attempted. Basically they have to step up interventions and at 6 the more intense ones might not be available yet.
@kristentrep5038
@kristentrep5038 Год назад
@@LadyKej yep! Im a special education teacher. (I’m now retired) When I began teaching, we had smaller classes for children who needed a more restricted environment. I understand the need for a less restrictive environment, but not at the detriment of the other children and teachers. Unfortunately, administrators didn’t seem to care that sometimes, some kids can’t be in classes with the other kids. Sometimes, they need a higher level of care. Parents need to be held accountable when a child this young gets ahold of a weapon!
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Год назад
There is clearly something wrong with school systems who do this. It helps no one, including the kids who need controlling.
@Tindometari
@Tindometari Год назад
Can I just point out that Abigail, shot through the hand and chest, still cleared the classroom for her students' safety? Glory to her.
@HellsFurby
@HellsFurby Год назад
She is a hero in my book and absolutely deserves a raise. I hope she is able to recover well, especially mentally because this has got to be extremely traumatic.
@Powertuber1000
@Powertuber1000 Год назад
This is what it's like daily in all blc schools.
@evonne315
@evonne315 Год назад
I am so grateful she survived. ♥️
@liliumjade
@liliumjade Год назад
Adrenaline is very effective in allowing you to do what you need to do immediately following a serious injury. Not minimizing her heroic actions but hearing these kind of things make you realize what amazing capabilities we all have.
@kentdelahay2336
@kentdelahay2336 Год назад
"Could I just point out" something sounds fishy about this story..........Instead of clearing out the class, why did she not just take the gun away from the kid......common sense.
@lucyjane12cruz
@lucyjane12cruz Год назад
No one who lives with a mentally unstable person who has expressed a desire to harm themselves or others should have a gun in the home, "secured" or not. And fortunately we have absolute proof that the gun was not adequately secured: a six year old accessed it and used it, so it was not. There is no other option. I say all of this as a gun owner. I am infuriated that the parents are trying to make themselves look anything but recklessly negligent. It is their fault, entirely, that their child had access to that weapon.
@teijaflink2226
@teijaflink2226 Год назад
And probably their fault the child is this damaged too.
@shelleycharlesworth5177
@shelleycharlesworth5177 Год назад
@@teijaflink2226 -no doubt...the apple doesn't fall far from the TREE!
@leegundlach391
@leegundlach391 Год назад
This mother taught this boy racism to hate white people nuts exactly what it was
@hawkeye5955
@hawkeye5955 Год назад
Thank you LucyJane. We need more responsible gun owners like you to call out people who should not have guns, especially around those with mental illness, and I absolutely agree that the parents of the shooter are responsible for not properly securing the gun when they're aware of their child's behavior.
@jackiepowell7513
@jackiepowell7513 Год назад
Conversely that child needed discipline before this event.
@Tamarind525
@Tamarind525 Год назад
So the student has a learning plan where the parents are in school with him every day. Yet the student is frequently found wandering around the school unsupervised during class time? And the 9mm had the safety on, but somehow the 6 year old was able to disable this, rack the slide, and shoot the teacher? What is going on in that child’s home?
@Tindometari
@Tindometari Год назад
I doubt he needed to rack the slide. If the parents were irresponsible enough to lead a loaded pistol unsecured and accessible to a 6-year-old known to be violently disturbed, I take it on faith that there was already a round chambered.
@surrealsteph
@surrealsteph Год назад
RIGHT?!?! WTF were the parents doing while their child wasn’t in the classroom, roaming about? Those parents should have been on top of his every move! And WTF did they even have a gun in the house? They knew damn well their son is troubled/has serious mental issues!
@j.h.6081
@j.h.6081 Год назад
"He wanted to light her on fire and watch her die," but somehow kids under seven are not capable of comprehending the act of killing someone.
@thecozyconstellation
@thecozyconstellation Год назад
right!!! this was shocking. don't tell me they don't know what they are doing YES THEY DO
@fredajordan5704
@fredajordan5704 Год назад
J:H: Yes, inclusion doesn`t always work. Sometime a criminal tendence shows early on, like here... The household/parenting is at fault in the first place, then school authorities for not protecting their staff.
@dr-ozone
@dr-ozone Год назад
so.....prison time for the 6 year old?
@davidmann4533
@davidmann4533 Год назад
What does recess have to do with any of this you buffoon
@wrmlm37
@wrmlm37 Год назад
@user-mq2tw9ym5l how? No one know the race of the child. No one knows the race of the mother. Well, no one outside the district. More to the point, no one in this thread even mentions skin tone, anywhere...
@frankkurgan2792
@frankkurgan2792 Год назад
As a law enforcement officer if we are contacted about there possibly be an armed student at a school we usually detain the student and contact the parents to have them check the last location they kept their weapon. If law enforcement had been contacted we most likely would have retrieved the weapon before the incident because even if he had another student hold the firearm for him because he thought he might get searched we would have verified with the parents that the firearm is missing so we would know that he hit it somewhere or has a friend holding it for him.
@lindasimons691
@lindasimons691 Год назад
Unless the officers were frightened and hid down the hallway.
@erickanew
@erickanew Год назад
Exactly what I said. At our school student would've been detained, and it would've been a huge lockdown. It's not normal for another 6 year to say a 6 year old had a gun
@heather440
@heather440 Год назад
I am an elementary teacher and I have had students like this. I had a student my first year who wanted to lock us in the closet and hear us starve to death. This is not uncommon. My current school, we have several kids EXACTLY like this student. It is beyond frustrating.EDIT TO ADD it’s so sad when one students takes so much time and attention away from the 24 other kids in a class. They deserve attention too. Sometimes when there are very difficult students, the ones who are quiet/well behaved are hurt the most by the chaos that can happen when your teacher has to call the cops to your room and you have to run out because of one very unstable student. The needs of the one over needs of the many.
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Год назад
Why do you think there are so many children like this now?
@heather440
@heather440 Год назад
@@hauntedbearchild I wish I knew. I PERSONALLY think it’s because so many parents are on drugs/did drugs (maybe while pregnant) even alcohol.
@haruuuuu1115
@haruuuuu1115 Год назад
i hear you. Ive had kids like that. i teach 7th grade and i can say that the violence definitely reaches apathy as they get older. they end up not even feeling guilty for their wrongdoings or having a more clear compass of right and wrong. it’s frustrating and terrifying.
@lisamac8503
@lisamac8503 Год назад
and the school allows them to be there???
@heather440
@heather440 Год назад
@@lisamac8503 YUP admin does/can do nothing. Even if they are in special Ed, they are still in our classroom for most if not all of the day.
@shamarlahart685
@shamarlahart685 Год назад
Sadly enough, as a current public school teacher of 19 years, I can clearly "see" everything that you described. Students are sometimes treated better than the teachers. We're needed, but they're valued more. As far as the initial report not being reported to the police before the shooting, having a gun on campus is a relation nightmare, so no gun found=no problem, which also equates to nothing to report. I admire her ability to get the other students safely out of the room. I'm sure it was shock. If I were in her position, I would file charges against the child, the parents, the school, the district, etc etc etc. It's not about money. We don't go into teaching for the money, it's about the principle of the situation. If his parents usually have to be present, he should not have been allowed back in that room.
@sayhello5377
@sayhello5377 Год назад
Absolutely! The parents released a statement along the lines of, “We have always been extremely careful about gun safety,” and I thought, “Yeah, so careful you left a loaded gun where your disturbed 6 year old could get to it…” I hope she files charges against the lot of them. It will send a message loud and clear that teachers are not signing up for the frontline of some battle.
@michellesims6953
@michellesims6953 Год назад
I agree with every single word you said.
@eatmanyzoos
@eatmanyzoos Год назад
maybe cultures should stop encouraging each other to have as many kids and possible and maybe you, a sensitive person, needs to admit most people should not be allowed to have children and there should be laws preventing them having any power of you. .
@kristita_888
@kristita_888 Год назад
Yes to ALL of this. I am a teacher as well. Everything that happened in this first-grade teacher’s classroom happens regularly across the nation. Teachers do not receive adequate support for students who are out of control. We are made to feel that we are the problem. It is not surprising that so many teachers are leaving the profession. Sadly, this affects and leaves behind the students who want to learn.
@jackiepowell7513
@jackiepowell7513 Год назад
Staff not supported. Bring on vouchers. Defund doe.
@MyDuckSaysFucc
@MyDuckSaysFucc Год назад
I work as a camp counselor and last year we had a 7 year old with an autism diagnosis. He was very aggressive with the other children. He kicked and hit them, and so we asked the mom to take him out of our camp. She was furious, said we advertised as “inclusive to special needs” which we are. But we do not make accommodations for kids who feel the need to physically assault other kids. Turned out the mom was a special Ed teacher too. We have animals at our camp, and this kid before the incident also shoved a rooster off a table and laughed about it. I verbally disciplined him and took the animal away. Told him we couldn’t have animals at camp if he was gonna hurt them. This made him upset but his story to him mom was he “dropped” the rooster. And she believed him. I was furious because the camp is actually run by my family so the animals including the rooster are mine. So mom expected us to accommodate for hitting, kicking and animal cruelty for this little shit. I have worked with kids on the autism spectrum, they are often the most lovable children, super smart and they tend to do very well at our camp. This kid was not just showing signs of autism, I think there were some type b personality traits in there. You don’t often see kids hurt animals
@kelseymathias3881
@kelseymathias3881 Год назад
Hurting animals by kids is a sure sign the kids are mentally ill...I knew a child who harmed cats...parents ignored him....at age 20 the kid shot himself in the head.
@granny58
@granny58 Год назад
Just a spoiled kid whose mother makes excuses for him
@TheMiczzz
@TheMiczzz Год назад
So sad to hear your story. Makes me furious to think about. I don't know, i am no psychiatrist, but it seems like some kids are just plain evil. Can't help thinking what they might become later, a school shooter comes to mind. Thank you for your service to all the good children out there!
@sylviashaw71
@sylviashaw71 Год назад
@@TheMiczzz I feel the same, but I believe they are evil because they are possessed!!
@Wildflower1555
@Wildflower1555 Год назад
There is a strong connection to this child's behavior and murderers and serial killers. A lot of them have started hurting and killing animals before they murdered a person(s).
@taybee4653
@taybee4653 Год назад
Listen as a former educator this story literally triggers me. And it’s exactly why I left the field at the end of 2021. I graduated in 2019 and only taught for 2 years. The school never listens when you bring up these alarming behaviors. They always wait until something happens then all the sudden they want to be sorry. That student should’ve been removed from classroom and that student Is not capable of being in a class with other students. He poses a danger to himself his teacher and the other students.
@paulinequick5634
@paulinequick5634 Год назад
There are children in preschool who are a danger to themselves and others children & to teachers. I was a Special Services Aide in a preschool & some children had to be on a modified schedule & even some could only tolerate an hour of school due to a severe mental issue or a behavior problem. There should always be a Teacher's Aide in every classroom to assist the teachers. If one child is disrupting the whole class, then that child should be placed on a modified schedule depending on the severity of the issue.
@rhyami
@rhyami Год назад
This is exactly why a lot of teachers are leaving the field to do something else. My daughter teaches in public school, and she says she has almost no tools for providing discipline in her class. She also tells me that if she expresses concerns about a student, she is told it’s her fault and she should work harder. She has taught for five years, and she’s strongly considering not signing a contract for next year. I support her decision and will be cheering when she leaves. I never thought I would feel that way about her doing teaching. I was so happy and proud of her when she chose education has her degree in college. I knew she was doing something good and honorable. Now I just want her out of the line of potential fire and away from the constant bedlam that public school classes have become.
@g.m.5395
@g.m.5395 Год назад
God Bless Her
@joedennehy386
@joedennehy386 Год назад
She should teach at a private school
@uyensoldier374
@uyensoldier374 Год назад
What about moving abroad and teaching there? There are safer countries out there
@TheJackal917
@TheJackal917 Год назад
The humanity is fked. But it chose, by its own hands, to get fked. So be it.
@TheJackal917
@TheJackal917 Год назад
@@uyensoldier374 and bring that mentality that ruined own country elsewhere? Just like those immigrants in europe - they bring with them only chaos and destruction.
@henryhargraves4184
@henryhargraves4184 Год назад
One of the main reason I got a general education degree rather than completing my degree is that teachers are the scapegoat for the world's problems it would seem.
@nickkausch1107
@nickkausch1107 Год назад
Parents are responsible here. They're lying about how the kid managed to access the firearm.
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Год назад
THANK YOU 💯
@RobL358
@RobL358 Год назад
Definitely. Parents are 100% lying and should be charged. Teacher should also sue them civilly for both medical expenses and pain and suffering.
@GeorgiaJakes7
@GeorgiaJakes7 Год назад
Yes ! They said it was secure ?! Obviously not ! If it was secure - then who gave it to him ? I saw the “secure” quote on the news.
@mamacito1795
@mamacito1795 Год назад
I also wonder about that tip. Maybe it was a kid or maybe a parent flipped out when they realised their gun was missing and know their kid is homicidal. They wouldn't call the police because they wouldn't want their child hurt. Be interesting if that's revealed
@isitoveryet9525
@isitoveryet9525 Год назад
a lot of people are responsible for this tragedy. The school also did absolutely nothing to protect their employee, which is a common occurrence unfortunately.
@kita476
@kita476 Год назад
They blaming this on being absent from class?! Are they insane? Why on earth was he able to get the gun? Charge the parents immediately... Negligence! He coumd have killed multiple people and himself.
@rerite2
@rerite2 Год назад
What's done to children, they do to the world. -- Albert Schweitzer, MD.
@michaelstephens9852
@michaelstephens9852 Год назад
Parents need to be charged. This is just insane.
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Год назад
THANK YOU 💯
@tinawindham6958
@tinawindham6958 Год назад
Absolutely. He traumatized so many innocent children ! His poor teacher was a sitting duck! Omg I’m hoping they arrest and sue the caregiver🙏
@isitoveryet9525
@isitoveryet9525 Год назад
We don’t even know how he got the firearm yet lol it’s wild how everyone’s acting like they handed him the firearm, with instructions to target his teacher. What if a friend gave it to him? What if he found it? Where was it was the kid was checked? Plenty of possibilities & considering we have very little info, we should probably wait for more evidence before finding the parents guilty in the court of public opinion.
@tiredox3788
@tiredox3788 Год назад
@@isitoveryet9525 "What if he found it" literally said the gun belong to the mom.
@tiredox3788
@tiredox3788 Год назад
It's crazy how people trying to protect the parents.
@katehack1677
@katehack1677 Год назад
SIX YEARS OLD. Intentional, premeditated. So hard to absorb just how sad this is. He's been exposed to some bad things, this isn't just about access to a fire arm. It will no doubt come back to the parents and the environment he was living in.
@anitaknight3915
@anitaknight3915 Год назад
I agree to be that young makes you wonder the environment and parenting he's exposed to. How in the world would a 6 yr old be this out of control and have access to a firearm!!???
@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202
@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202 Год назад
Was this a two parent household? I doubt it. Was it a household that has a high investment in raising children? I doubt it. Given the choice between r/K selection, I'd put my money on r.
@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202
@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202 Год назад
@Entropy lol this isn't regular life in the US, dude. This is endemic in certain communities, but that's an uncomfortable discussion no one wants to have so we don't.
@MimiRAM0NE
@MimiRAM0NE Год назад
@Entropy If that were true, this wouldn't be a unique news story getting lots of attention because it too would be the norm. It's not.
@robertgiles9124
@robertgiles9124 Год назад
It's the kid. PLENTY of kids have bad pareents and situations and do not try murder. He's never going to be ok. Future serial killer, I'd say.
@bridgettewatson7328
@bridgettewatson7328 Год назад
I left teaching in 2016 and every single day I hear something that just reinforces that I made the right choice.
@dclaet1135
@dclaet1135 Год назад
I retired in 2020, after teaching thirty years, and I'm still recovering from the stress of that job.
@wendybond2848
@wendybond2848 Год назад
I think the teacher was incredibly brave to put the students’ safety first after she had been shot. The little boy needs a full psych evaluation and his parents have to face the fact he needs help.
@silentvoiceinthedark5665
@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Год назад
I am very sure the kid has had multiple psych evals.
@jonathangullett3143
@jonathangullett3143 Год назад
“Parents” yeah right, more like dead beats. You’ll see when it is released
@carolnahigian9518
@carolnahigian9518 Год назад
amen
@anneflynn9614
@anneflynn9614 Год назад
The boy should be removed from his mother.
@tamitatangoto5134
@tamitatangoto5134 Год назад
I don't know necessarily if brave is the right word for her actions of taking the children out of the classroom. When you're shot wounded or in a car wreck you go into shock immediately. So really she was immediately in shock and a lot of times people in shock do not think they're hurt necessarily.
@tiffbeevachou108
@tiffbeevachou108 Год назад
You are 100% spot on about parents getting enraged about consequences at school and the kids running the school is exactly what ehat happens. Parent your dang kids! The rest of the world has to deal with them for their entire lives.
@AbstractM0use
@AbstractM0use Год назад
Not only did my parents not get mad at teachers for trying to discipline me, if I got spanked at school, the teacher would call and tell my parents why I got spanked, and I'd get a spanking from my Dad for getting spanked at school.
@margkropf5541
@margkropf5541 Год назад
Charges against parents need to be filed.Fines. Jail terms. It needs to HURT!!!Maybe this will smarten up these foolish parents.
@SleeepyZzZ
@SleeepyZzZ Год назад
This story is equally heartbreaking and so disturbing. Those poor children that witnessed this and what the teacher went through..I hope they get the support they need
@birdlover6842
@birdlover6842 Год назад
They better get help. The poor kids must be scared. I hope things get better. A sad situation.
@TurkeyFarmerGirl
@TurkeyFarmerGirl Год назад
The sub said 25 to 30 students. So 24 to 29 students have to suffer cause ONE child is an ass? Yank that kid out and lock his ass up, thats where he is heading anyway. Why should my, or your child be traumatized due to one kid? The mother was supposed to be at school with the kid everyday. She don't show, the kid goes home. That's it.
@laurenmay2098
@laurenmay2098 Год назад
If they didn’t helped the teacher to do something about the kid, do you think they will get psychological help to the others to go on? Sweet dreams on that, it is sick to see how money goes to wars out of this country, but the citizens get nothing to deal with domestic problems.
@sharonmoore5580
@sharonmoore5580 Год назад
Agree. So traumatic. This will change them for the rest of their lives.
@dolorestroeller4734
@dolorestroeller4734 Год назад
Yet the hoops they will jump through for this one’s rights will be absurd ,while all the innocent ones rights are trampled upon 🤬that!
@purpleslurple5149
@purpleslurple5149 Год назад
This sounds exactly like a boy in my child's first grade class last year. My child was "evacuated" several times a week for months when this boy would rage in the classroom--throwing desks and chairs, etc. The teachers weren't allowed to restrain him, due to laws. They weren't allowed to inform us due to privacy--my child would say "He was angry again today" but I had NO. IDEA. how bad it was....I heard from another parent whose child was more talkative months later. He is intelligent enough that they MUST keep him at the regular school, with aides, but he doesn't seem to function well, nor is it working for the children in his class. The school is stuck, due to laws regarding public education access, etc. The parents can't afford or are unwilling to send him somewhere more suited to his needs.... What is anyone to do? My husband said if they still live in the school district in middle school, we're moving, because he's exactly the kind of kid who becomes a school shooter. And now I worry it could be earlier than middle school! It's awful, sad, and frustrating for everyone. I assume he has some sort of Oppositional Defiant disorder. And we live in one of the most affluent and best-rated school districts in the US (just to say if we don't have the resources to help children like this, who does??)
@Nevermore694
@Nevermore694 Год назад
It seems to me you have the responsibility to remove your child from this environment now, by whatever means necessary. It’s the tolerance of this kind of extreme situation that has been our undoing as a country.
@behonestwithyourself3718
@behonestwithyourself3718 Год назад
I understand the idea of access for education for everyone but not at the expense of the kids and teachers safety. Sounds like that kid needs to be removed. I feel bad for your situation.
@joedennehy386
@joedennehy386 Год назад
Sue the school for endangering your child, and move him immediately
@SirenaSpades
@SirenaSpades Год назад
It really isn't the school's job to restrain kids like that. Children this poorly behaved should not be in class with students trying to learn!
@andygirlll1811
@andygirlll1811 Год назад
@@SirenaSpades actually, it is. If the child is mentally ill, disabled or disturbed, the district is required to provide a free an appropriate education. It’s the law.
@sharondowling8896
@sharondowling8896 Год назад
I know someone who teaches public school in the same geographic area as this case. She has seen horrifying behavior by parents- physically fighting on school grounds with each other- and has so many students that have parents designated with "no contact allowed" or are living with relatives other than their parents, or are in the care of just one parent, etc. And then the issue of communicating with parents about behavior problems or academic failings- the fact that the KIDS have openly spoken about trying to get teachers fired that they don't like- all adds up to chaos. Administrators are not supportive of teachers, being more worried about test scores and keeping parents off their backs. The constant testing. The problems related to constant cell phone use and abuse. The addiction to social media. Having 7th and 8th graders arriving to class drunk or high. Our public schools are a reflection of the society providing the students! This particular student sounds like a candidate for an exorcism, however! And while I am not diagnosing anyone at this point(!) his actions certainly seem psycho or sociopathic! I cannot imagine this child ever NOT being a danger to himself or others. Bottom line, however, is that every person in that school is being held hostage to the needs of the student in question. Administration did nothing to alleviate the chaos in the classroom, or the rest of the school. If the student had a "plan" that included the necessary attendance of a parent everyday, why was he allowed to attend without a parent?? Why was the teacher told to "drop it" when desperately seeking help from Administrators?! What a mess!! We are turning out graduates who cannot read, or think, or handle basic math- just to keep up appearances? But they can all access their apps, and use inappropriate ones with ease! Sigh.....thank you for filling in many pertinent details in this case. Sheds more light on this particular situation, even if that light shows the deeper problems present! Can you examine the case of our current rage filled, mass shooting happy, hate propelled and ignorant society? I am seeking insight! And solutions!
@juneyshu6197
@juneyshu6197 Год назад
Thank you for caring. It troubles me, our society losing morals and values, and yes, faith.
@delicatelace8830
@delicatelace8830 Год назад
My son went to public school, at one point we took him out. Attended Catholic school for 2 years. Went back for 3 years, then graduated,this was in the late 1990's. Today I believe there is no reason to send your precious child to any public school anymore, home schooling is the a answer.
@kaiyakershaw1028
@kaiyakershaw1028 Год назад
@@delicatelace8830 homeschooling is a great solution for some children and families, but it’s not the right choice for many. Do we want the parents of children who are out of control, throwing furniture, and threatening teachers to be in charge of preparing that child educationally and emotionally to be a productive citizen? It seems that if they’re not able to handle the child in the afternoons and evenings outside of school hours, adding more time that they’re solely responsible for the child’s care would not be a great idea. Plus, schools are where the majority of child abuse cases are first identified and reported. If everyone was responsible for educating their own children at home with no safeguards against parents who abuse their child(ren), we would end up with more child fatalities and many more who grow up maladjusted and perpetuate the behavior when they have children. There are plenty of parents who aren’t abusers who still aren’t good candidates for primary educator of their children.
@kaseys2004
@kaseys2004 Год назад
@@byuftbl I'm a single parent but i had help from my parents which I'm thankful for. She is graduating in a month and has done amazing. The problem is also no discipline or feeling loved. I think absentee fathers should be held more accountable. They make kids and leave the moms to deal with them. Yeah there are crappy moms I'm not saying that there aren't. Just there less father figures than there used to be. If some men could start being held responsible (instead of just a monthly contribution) first raising their children some if this might decrease. Yet in this case that gun was not secure bc he either knew where the key was to the gun lock or it was never locked to begin with. It should have been in a safe since he had mental issues. He shouldn't have been in a normal classroom. He should have had a specialized class bc he is hindering his classmates. Kids with special needs should have the right to school that is designed for them. Now I feel if u have a gun in your home it should be locked up or at least teach your kid gun safety (if they r mentally sound.) Being from the south guns are normal here, there's constant hunting. My child was taught gun safety very young. She knew never to touch or if she was holding never to aim at anyone. She has been to gun ranges and knows how to clean, load, and fire a weapon. With the way the world is going and how some men can't understand the word no i admit i want her licensed to carry, yet her joining the National Guard i know she will be. Not all single parent homes are bad just there's lots of failing going on. You have to work to survive but you are given crap for working bc your kid is alone, it can be a lose lose situation.
@peterwolf2031
@peterwolf2031 Год назад
We had a kid in my 1st grade in 1967 who would scream and throw desks and even beat up the scariest bully. This kid was a girl. She eventually disappeared and nobody missed her. This needs to happen now. It's not fair to the other students to have these disruptful and dangerous kids in the class. Traumatize twenty kids to indulge one. Great policy.
@troyhubbler9874
@troyhubbler9874 Год назад
Sounds like you killed her lol
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Год назад
You are correct. How can children learn under disruptive environments?
@janmarchand7294
@janmarchand7294 Год назад
When my daughter was in 5th grade I went to a parent teacher day at school where the teacher told me how helpful Chloe was. As she went on I realized Chloe was helpful because they had her sit with a special needs child and she would help him calm down and worked on his lessons with him. I was shocked, the boy in question was already about 6 feet tall and had a variety of issues, but he 'liked' Chloe and with her help he was doing so much better. I told the teacher that it really wasn't Chloe's place to help teach this child and that I hoped they would remember that she was a student also and was there to learn, not teach. It shocked me that my daughter was being used to keep this child quiet. They had integrated a lot of special needs children into the regular classes and I wondered just how good of an education my daughter was getting because these children were very disruptive and stole learning time from the regular students.
@joan-lisa-smith
@joan-lisa-smith Год назад
@@janmarchand7294 That was me as a kid in foster care. I was the stable level headed kid so even under 10 I would be asked to basically be like a little therapist to disturbed foster siblings. One home would have me find covert ways to ask other kids during play about what kind of abuse went on in their homes (including sex abuse details) and have me report it back to the foster mom so she could tell the social worker to note it and bring it up during their checks. It made me feel trusted and important but once my teens hit I realized how inappropriate it was and how hearing those things shaped me in negative ways. I'm actually not surprised some teachers let kids like your daughter take on that roll to alleviate them, I'm so glad you reframed it for them so they could see what they were actually doing. You shouldn't have to though, anyone working with kids should know enough basic child development, child psychology and have basic common sense to know already!
@janmarchand7294
@janmarchand7294 Год назад
@@joan-lisa-smith My heart goes out to you being in foster care and being exposed to things you shouldn't have been at that age. It was so weird to have that teacher tell me that, like I would be happy about it. I know I looked at her like she was crazy cause she tried to back out of what she had just said. It never entered my mind that a teacher would do something like that.
@Lexielouwho
@Lexielouwho Год назад
I found the fact that one of the parents has to go to school with the child every day to be a huge red flag. I've never heard of that before. If he was that uncontrollable why wasn't he put in a special needs class that has fewer students for the teacher to tend to? And if he was that out of control, why on god's earth did the mom get a gun? Maybe there's more to the home life than is being aired. Maybe mom needed protection too. Ugh, unbelievable to think a 6 year old could carry so much rage to state he wanted to set his teacher on fire. That's just not something a 6 year old would say. Maybe I wanna hurt my teacher or I wanna kill my teacher, but to get specific on the way he wanted to do it, is psycho. Dr G is psychopathy born into our DNA or is it a learned behavior?
@jori7398
@jori7398 Год назад
Whether or not people are born with it is getting more attention these days. I just heard about a researcher/author tonight on Hidden True Crime whose work supports the claim that there’s a genetic component to psychopathy, and that the environment also plays a role. So I guess it’s a combination of the two things. However it happens, it’s terrifying and sad. 😓
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Год назад
Often, many of these children are born to a mother on drugs, or a mother who has mental problems herself. One of my daughters is NICU nurse in a large city hospital and when she cares for these babies she fears sending them home. They have even had mothers come in and be caught taking narcotics out or a closet meant for babies in pain. That's low, yet the law still says they must send the baby home with the parent unless a court tells them otherwise. It's bad enough the baby may have brain damage from being born early and addicted but worse to be sent back into that home situation.
@Gaia-n8y
@Gaia-n8y Год назад
You hit the nail on the head when you said that teachers are in a difficult situation ......... I am a teacher and the Administration is not interested in supporting teachers, but in increasing their numbers and pleasing parents. Parents believe that teachers are their enemies and that their children are angels. The Administration blames the teachers, the parents blame the teachers. On top of that, every day we are given more responsibilities with less resources and no help. Once a parent sent me an email listing the ways I should manage my class, while the principal was too preoccupied making rounds and yelling at the teachers he found sitting at their desks resting for a while. Another time he called a staff meeting after class and five minutes or so into the meeting, he locked the door to the gym (which was where the meeting was being held) so that teachers who weren't there couldn't get in. I couldn't go in because I needed to drink water after having been teaching for three consecutive periods before the staff meeting. I think something has to change, otherwise it is not very promising.
@TheUnofficialMaker
@TheUnofficialMaker Год назад
sounds like ebay
@RosieDozie
@RosieDozie Год назад
The parents of this child should be held accountable.
@haruuuuu1115
@haruuuuu1115 Год назад
i used to work in this district. my guess is the school isn’t going to push for it. friends that work in the same district have said (and shared posts) that richneck is asking parents to do thorough checks of bookbags but that’s about it.
@sylviaowega3839
@sylviaowega3839 Год назад
It was like that in the old days
@judithcoe7551
@judithcoe7551 Год назад
I'm sure the parents of the other children are very concerned about their Safety. If I was the teacher I would not go back to this school. Very traumatizing. This child should not be allowed back in this school. Parents need to be held accountable. School needs to be held accountable. Thank you Dr Grande!🎈🎊 So sad. I am glad the teacher survived.
@trinitylane2202
@trinitylane2202 Год назад
I don't think he should be allowed back into any school. I know I wouldn't want to be his teacher or have a child in the same classroom. He doesn't have any problem trying to murder someone he doesn't like.
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Год назад
@@trinitylane2202 My thoughts exactly 💯 🤯 "Y'all can keep your kid n' home school him... M'kaayy?"
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Год назад
@@2Bad4YOUuu I know a teacher that travelled to students homes to give them lessons. Some of those kids were murderers.
@cathichristian4142
@cathichristian4142 Год назад
@@trinitylane2202 I agree. I am certainly not an expert but I believe that some people are born sociopaths. This kid may be one of them. It is so very unusual for a child to want to set their teacher on fire and watch them die. Something is very wrong with that child and he should be locked up in a mental hospital before he successfully kills someone. In a city near me, a child was simply walking to class and a homeless man stabbed her to death totally unprovoked. We have mentally ill that are allowed to live on the streets in filth and not getting the care they need to protect themselves and others.
@sharonmoore5580
@sharonmoore5580 Год назад
I hear you, but if they were so concerned for their safety, how on earth was this child able to gain possession of THEIR handgun?
@judithsloan8617
@judithsloan8617 Год назад
Student behavior is out of control in schools across the country. What you said, Dr. Grande, about parents whose children have been disciplined wanting the teachers fired is accurate. It's one of the top reasons teachers are leaving the profession. I retired 4 years ago because of the lack of administrative support.
@TheUnofficialMaker
@TheUnofficialMaker Год назад
spare the rod, spoil the child
@erickanew
@erickanew Год назад
Yeah all our teachers quit. They have any and everyone teaching. The kids are worst since after covid. The parents don't care
@callalilly1988
@callalilly1988 Год назад
This is extremely disturbing. In the past 30 years we've seen unspeakable acts committed by those that are supposed to be innocent. I never forget the 11 and 13 year old boys who murdered a toddler. There was a boy who recently killed his own mother for not buying him something. Something has gone desperately wrong with our society.
@SirenaSpades
@SirenaSpades Год назад
Lack of parenting
@rockyevans1584
@rockyevans1584 Год назад
You're just aware of them because of the more widespread media coverage. This shit was happening and the news never carried it beyond locals prior. Statistically speaking we are still in the safest age ever, and violence is trending downward. Get out of your feelings, they really distort these situations and our resulting view
@2Bad4YOUuu
@2Bad4YOUuu Год назад
@@SirenaSpades YePp. Folks are leaving all the parenting to someone else these days. There is NO LOVE in that circumstance. 💔
@crestfire8008
@crestfire8008 Год назад
What has gone wrong is accusing discipline as "abuse". Monitoring your kids internet activity is not "abuse". Kids that young do not need 100% privacy that parents have no idea who and what they are talking to online. Also the fact that parents give their kids technology to keep them occupied
@trickolas78
@trickolas78 Год назад
Teachers are overpaid and only work 9 months a year. What other job allows that level of laziness?
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Год назад
What a horror story. The parents and the school dropped the ball on that one. I admire the teacher was a hero for getting the other children too safety. I believe the school and parents should have some consequences. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
@janpierzchala2004
@janpierzchala2004 Год назад
This boy seems very dangerous already at 6, a crime genius in the making, I would look for solution...Or soon you will commend some other teacher etc
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Год назад
@@janpierzchala2004 Thank you Jan I completely agree.
@johnc2438
@johnc2438 Год назад
Actually, they dropped the gun on that one!
@cottontails9003
@cottontails9003 Год назад
@@eatmanyzoos In my comment I said the parents need consequences for their actions.
@ppixilation
@ppixilation Год назад
With regard to the attitude of parents; I'm in the UK, and did two horrible years as a supply teacher, substitute teacher in the US, and the attitude of many parents was summed up by one mother stating that she had always told her children to "stand up to teachers"........Huge numbers of children are specifically taught by their parents to have no respect for any kind of authority.
@leahr9038
@leahr9038 Год назад
Yeah, its disgusting!
@granny58
@granny58 Год назад
Yup
@Throatzillaaa
@Throatzillaaa Год назад
Are you teaching in the UK? I'm curious if you think schools in the UK have the same or similar issues.
@Casinogirl56
@Casinogirl56 Год назад
If he was special needs so much he had to be accompanied by a parent, why was he mainstreamed, or allowed in class without said parent?
@lupemora6266
@lupemora6266 Год назад
I think it was George Bush with his "no kid left behind" legislation.
@victorialavenderasmr
@victorialavenderasmr Год назад
He obviously has some severe behavior and emotional problems. It still does not excuse what he did. He went to school with a loaded gun to intentionally murder his teacher.
@Clone42
@Clone42 Год назад
To enrich the classroom with aneurotypical diversity.
@joedennehy386
@joedennehy386 Год назад
His posession of the gun proves that it was loaded, unsecured and had no trigger lock.
@leeannvan1422
@leeannvan1422 Год назад
Back when my parents were kids (1960's to 1970's) the teachers were the one that ran the classroom and if the teacher called the parents it wasn't good when the kid got home. I'm in my late 20's and my parents once grounded me for the whole summer when I was misbehaving (I even had my tv taked away lol). Other kids weren't raised like I was raised and I see the outcome now as adults. I'm sure it's even worse with kids now as I see people in my family and just out and about and i'm like this is not going to end well for them when they get into the real world. The parents should be charged with a felony with this case
@redneckgirl3326
@redneckgirl3326 Год назад
I grew up in the 70s and 80s and saw what happened when my parents got a call from the principal about my older siblings. I knew better than to act up in school.
@literaryvan6143
@literaryvan6143 Год назад
I teach in this school division and have received more information from teachers who work in the school. The boy put the gun in his coat and took it to recess. He showed it to multiple students and when they returned to the classroom, they told the teacher. She called administrators so that’s why they searched his backpack. They failed to search his coat or his person for fear of violating his rights. When teachers leave early for a sickness, etc. they will place the teacher’s students in the other teacher’s classrooms if there is not a substitute available for that class. That could explain the teacher sometimes having additional students. Teachers go through a lot more than the public realizes, and do it mostly alone with little to no support.
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Год назад
He's a six-year old minor. Last time I looked his rights should only be under an adult. If the law has changed that's insane. If being under the age of 7 for accountability is a law then he also has no adult rights of his own and is considered an infant under the law.
@TraceyRenee1
@TraceyRenee1 Год назад
So true. I sub and teachers do not get paid enough for what they have to put up with. So many kids are SO disrespectful. It actually makes me nervous to discipline them for fear they might do something like this to retaliate.
@sharonmoore5580
@sharonmoore5580 Год назад
I know I'm living in an apocalypse. They didn't search his coat for fear of violating his rights?!?!
@vbrown6445
@vbrown6445 Год назад
@@sharonmoore5580 They didn't search his body/person for fear of being sued by parents, who are always quick to accuse school employees of child abuse (sexual and physical). It's also why teachers don't hug students anymore and maintain physical distance from them. It is the world we live in.
@Em-df4ww
@Em-df4ww Год назад
It's as if they didn't believe the kids who reported seeing the gun, otherwise why would they have have given up after the search of the backpack. He should have been pulled out of class and the police called. I can't believe the negligence, ineptitude and lack of common sense shown by the administrators. Thank goodness the teacher survived her injuries and no one else was shot. This country has gone bonkers.,
@MM-gd1dw
@MM-gd1dw Год назад
Thank you, Dr. Grande. This is an unimaginable situation. How a child who is little more than a baby, can even conceive a shooting, is beyond comprehension.
@Heyu7her3
@Heyu7her3 Год назад
The idea is comprehensible. The enaction of said idea through easy access to weapons is absolutely unacceptable.
@KytexEdits
@KytexEdits Год назад
@@brianm7109 Please cease the inhalation of Oxygen, m'guy.
@110311DONTWANTCHANNE
@110311DONTWANTCHANNE Год назад
i was almost murdered by an 8 year old when I was a kid (10). I beleive he was about 8 years and 3 months. he had been violent as long as I knew him...since he was a toddler.....it happens....i know his father was abusive, but the father was out of the picture by the time he was 2.
@tzermonkey
@tzermonkey Год назад
This isn’t the first time this has happened. There was a case a few years back where a nine year old argued with a family member, went inside the families trailer, got a gun and shot his family member. I think it happened in Oklahoma or Texas.
@brittneybabeee4031
@brittneybabeee4031 Год назад
@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 What exactly are you trying to insinuate?
@stefs3460
@stefs3460 Год назад
The school is liable! The child had a pattern of violent behaviors. It sounds like he has a disability. The didn't specify why he has these problems. Sometimes traumatic brain injury patients will have violent outbursts like that depending on the part of the brain injured. There was a care plan. Those usually specify the staffing needs of the patient. In a group home setting I've seen people who are staffed 1 to 1 and once 2 to one meaning 2 staff are assigned to the patient at all times. It sounds like the school used the parents at aides, they should have provided a teacher's aide assigned only to him at all times. My friend did this type of job. She was assigned by a student's side at all times. Since he previously threw things in class this should have been in place already for the safety of the other kids for the safety issue of throwing things alone!
@jonoharper4729
@jonoharper4729 Год назад
Seems like Abigail has all the elements and evidence in her favour for a massive civil lawsuit against the school.
@keikei1943
@keikei1943 Год назад
She should sue the parents
@rockyevans1584
@rockyevans1584 Год назад
Whoever searched the kid should also be reprimanded. Outsmarted by a 6 yo? You aren't up to your jobs responsibilities. For shame
@awesomemaddy
@awesomemaddy Год назад
Ex middle school teacher here-I had a student in my class one year who had some behavior issues. Mostly he was just disruptive and liked to cause trouble. I had to constantly move him to new seats or send him to the dean. One day he was on a mission to disrupt the class. I gave him a verbal warning. The classmates seated next to him heard him say under his breath that he was going to ‘kill me’ if I moved his seat again. After class was over, those students told me what he had said. I of course reported it to my Principal right away. The Principal told me that the boy didn’t mean it and that it wasn’t a big deal, but that he did tell the boy to come say he was sorry to me. I never saw the boy again. His parents pulled him from the school and moved away from what I heard.
@kelseymathias3881
@kelseymathias3881 Год назад
Been this way for decades...school administrators do nothing. Back in the 60s a delinquent terrorized our class. 50 years later I heard that he had gone into the army where he committed crimes and then did time in Leavenworth Prison. When he got out he was shot to death in a bar fight at age 40 . I must admit I cheered.
@lildoodle6081
@lildoodle6081 Год назад
Good on those kids for feeling comfortable enough to go to you and tell you what he said. We need to keep encouraging our children to tell adults if they hear/see something concerning.
@jimcronin2043
@jimcronin2043 Год назад
We are making a mistake of 'mainstreaming' students with serious mental, emotional and learning disabilities. No one benefits except the bureaucrats who have adopted this as their cause and the parents of these disabled kids who want to alleviate their anxiety. But the teachers and student are left in a poor situation for all. Such students need specialized settings in which they can hopefully be resocialized so that they can later be integrated into the regular environment.
@NJMelissa
@NJMelissa Год назад
I worked in a pre school (ages 2-6) for 5 years and I observed at least SIX children displaying similar behaviors. I've seen things thrown across the room, I've actually had a child tell me he wanted to stab me in the stomach, a little girl told me she wanted to light all the teachers on fire, another child picked up a chair and threw it, a boy stomped on another little boys stomach, the list goes on and on. These are very young children and I found that even when the parents were notified, more times than not, they were in denial of their child's behavior and/or blaming the school. It's actually very scary; the school had its hands tied and we as teachers were literally not even allowed to say no to the kids let alone discipline them. Dr Grande is right; discipline is needed both in schools at home and parents need to really pull their heads from their ass. If your child is displaying antisocial behaviors they need help in the form of a professional.
@NJMelissa
@NJMelissa Год назад
@@user-account-not-found every single one. For some reason those children naturally gravitated towards me and I always accepted them and sat with them, held their hand while they cried, helped them breathe to calm down, talked to them. Specifically, the child who told me he wanted to stab me in the stomach, he was a child I felt very close to. He would often say things like that to me and I would be surprised and ask why he would say a thing like that, he has no idea why. He needed help, which was reported to the office and the parents spoken to. As far as I know, he never got any. There was only ever one child I could not reach emotionally, I tried but he was too violent and once he started it was impossible for me to calm him down. We would have to wrangle the other 28 students and remove them from the classroom so nobody gets hurt. I also hate to break it to you, but there will ALWAYS be someone who feels left out. You literally cannot force children to include everyone, try as we may, there are some people in general who do not fit in and I've seen it in kids as young as 3. They have trouble fitting in and start to lash out, further isolating themselves. I think if you really want to help those kids, THEY are the ones who need help to better adapt themselves to a group (doesn't have to be the whole group but they need some good qualities to make people accept them) so that other children and peers will want to be around them. I'm an adult and if another adult displays frightening tendencies, it stirs up an actual anxiety in my stomach to be around them. You cannot expect children to be able to ignore their own protective instincts just to make people feel included.
@trustmemysonisadoctor8479
@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Год назад
@@NJMelissa Unfortunately with some mental health issues and personality disorders all the love and acceptance will not help, they need serious residential treatment for every ones protection.
@NJMelissa
@NJMelissa Год назад
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 I also agree with you on that, however, to not even try or acknowledge the problem (as in the parents or caregivers) isn't helping either. What is the age limit to admit a child for long term care in a facility? I know a lot of doctors and psychoanalysts are wary to label children with psychopathic tendencies, sociopathic tendencies, etc so I can't imagine they would even suggest putting them away somewhere where they can be monitored. I think the old "hope they grow out of it" applies a lot in these circumstances and, as we know from true crime and serial killers, murderers etc...maybe that's not the best solution.
@trustmemysonisadoctor8479
@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 Год назад
@@NJMelissa Back in the early 1980's I worked at a residential treatment facility, the youngest person there at the time that I know of was 6. This child was extremely violent they had a large male one on one to control them and protect the other residents. I agree there needs to be better education available to parents/caregivers but some do not care and others cannot physically handle their child's violent outbursts. I agree that to "hope they out grow it" is not the best idea, I have no answers other than society needs to protect the public at large from dangerous violent people irrelevant of their age.
@NJMelissa
@NJMelissa Год назад
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 I agree with you 100%.
@sugarplum316
@sugarplum316 Год назад
HOLD THE SCHOOLS ACCOUNTABLE! THEY KNEW,,, TOO MANY WARNING SIGNS THEY CHOOSE TO IGNORE.
@DavidDeeble
@DavidDeeble Год назад
I'm old enough to remember when disciplining schoolchildren was the job of parents, freeing teachers to do their jobs: to teach.
@user-ic9qm8mb4t
@user-ic9qm8mb4t Год назад
I also remember the days students viewed teacher with a healthy respectful fear.
@sharonmoore5580
@sharonmoore5580 Год назад
I'm old enough to remember when teachers used rulers to pop our hands as a form of discipline. These days, a teacher would be fired in a second.
@GradyPhilpott
@GradyPhilpott Год назад
I'm old enough to remember when teachers had large paddles in their classrooms and would use them on unruly students at the drop of a hat. The coaches in junior high carried rubber straps to whack those who challenged their authority. There weren't any school shootings back in those days.
@Bebecat477
@Bebecat477 Год назад
I can remember being sent to the principal and actually being whipped with a wooden paddle. Lol. Sure curtailed my next misbehavior.
@DavidDeeble
@DavidDeeble Год назад
@@Bebecat477 I agree with what others have stated here: if your kid can't go to school without parental accompaniment then your kid shouldn't be allowed at school.
@gabe-po9yi
@gabe-po9yi Год назад
Yessirree, let’s not have kids like this attend separate classes with his particular needs in mind, lest he suffer self-esteem issues. It’s okay that his classmates get terrorized daily by his behavior and have their lessons interrupted, as long as he’s not made to feel different from others. *As unlikely as it may seem, it’s possible he had the gun on him. It’s winter, he could’ve been wearing a coat. Without his parents present, it’s doubtful the school would’ve been comfortable searching him, lest it set him off or the parents cry abuse.
@lynnetmb4706
@lynnetmb4706 Год назад
Scary little shits
@kellyhughes5438
@kellyhughes5438 Год назад
I had a similar situation. Thank God the child "only"destroyed my room and threatened to kill me, all my requests for help went unanswered by administrators. They hid the incident from the parents but my brave first graders told their parents the truth
@javeydones5163
@javeydones5163 Год назад
I’m no doctor but I gotta say. Violence of this level at this age is not something that’s likely to go away. If this kid is allowed to avoid consequences for this and grows up free, I guarantee he’s gonna try to kill more people. Something like this doesn’t just go away. If I’m wrong, just show me a single case like this where the child was reformed and had no further incidents.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Год назад
There is a girl named Mary Bell in the UK. She killed 2 children at age 10. They gave her a lot of treatment and she was apparently rehabilitated .
@vante2129
@vante2129 Год назад
This is an over exaggeration he's fuckin 6 that child can definitely be rehabilitated his brain isn't even fully developed yet remove him from that environment.
@rogerm3708
@rogerm3708 Год назад
I lived in a neighborhood with a 5 year old that only wanted to cause harm. Myself and other children regularly tormented him because it was the only way we knew how to manage him because his parents had no interest in correcting him. I heard that he was in and out of juvenile detention and went to prison as an adult
@valrose6083
@valrose6083 Год назад
@@Catlily5 not only did she kill two other children younger than her, she tortured them as well. Apparently when she was rehabilitated as an adult she was able to go on living a normal life.
@wagashi
@wagashi Год назад
@@Catlily5 I don't think they'll give this kid a lot of treatment to rehabilitate him in the US, unfortunately, given that any kind of healthcare is a luxury
@lindathurston462
@lindathurston462 Год назад
Excellent observation Dr. Grande. I taught for 16 years in the capacity of a specialist, so I would see every student in the school at least once a week for approximately 30 minutes. And yes, unfortunately there were some that seemed likely headed in the direction of the six year old in this case. The lack of support that classroom teachers (and specialists) receive from administrators in many cases is deplorable. Students are not disciplined at home, their parents may or may not have been, and everything is left to the teachers, including the academics, music and physical education! A very sad state of affairs indeed.
@g.m.5395
@g.m.5395 Год назад
*YES*
@birdlover6842
@birdlover6842 Год назад
Very sad and sickening.
@SamS-uv2ql
@SamS-uv2ql Год назад
Must have been a really small school. Are you sure it wasn't a day care?
@anitaknight3915
@anitaknight3915 Год назад
You're so correct Linda!!! Teachers, counselors, and social workers are being unsupported and failed by administration with little to no support or funding. It's a mess from every angle with mental health and education system failure because many students severe behavioral issues, have home life issues/lack of consistent discipline from parents and no coping skills.
@moonfall8972
@moonfall8972 Год назад
@@SamS-uv2ql *Listen to the video again.
@virginiamoss7045
@virginiamoss7045 Год назад
It's not just the 6-year-old that presents a conundrum for society. We have yet to answer, "What do we do with all the mentally ill people out there, homeless and unable to care for themselves?" My state has washed their hands of them, determining that it's wrong for them to be detained in a mental institution; it infringes on their rights. So they live as best and as long as they can on the streets or in other difficult circumstances for themselves and for those they impact. It's the same unanswered question, 6 years old or 60 years old.
@chidoquest8759
@chidoquest8759 Год назад
I remember the days when the batsh!t crazy kids rode the short bus to school and went to their own special classroom where they couldn't disturb or harm the normal kids. They came in later and left earlier in the day. I think they were on to something back then.
@kaineandrews3790
@kaineandrews3790 Год назад
I try to avoid wearing a tinfoil hat, but the combination of claims that the child had to be accompanied by one of his parents while at school (due to unexplained “disabilities”), that the gun was “secured” and that this was the first time a parent DIDN’T come to school with him feels really hinky to me. “So your damaged kid requires constant minding, being unable to even go to school by himself, and somehow the same day you decide ‘nah, not goin’ with him today’ is the day he somehow accessed your supposedly secured weapon and shoots someone with it, huh?” That’s… interesting. That’s aside from putting a child who can’t function or behave themselves without mom or dad hovering over them at all times in a general classroom in the first place. If your kid is that damaged, other options should be explored.
@debbiethompson14
@debbiethompson14 Год назад
I used to be a preschool teacher and whenever you called the front desk to get help, they tell you, you're a professional handle it!!! My question is why are these children even put in the classroom with regular kids? We spent all our time trying to control that child in the other kids don't are cheated out of it and education. I just took a course on substitute teaching but I've since changed my mind
@granny58
@granny58 Год назад
They're worse to substitutes
@chrissyellem7397
@chrissyellem7397 Год назад
I was a substitute teacher in the 90's. Please find another field to go into. You will be treated like gum on the bottom of a shoe.
@mjesns77
@mjesns77 Год назад
are schools allowed to kick a child out? like expel them?
@debbiethompson14
@debbiethompson14 Год назад
@Maliem88 Yes, but they RARELY do! However, if a lot of parents complain and threatened to withdraw their children, then they may consider kicking the child out of school periods all about the money it's not about the well-being of the children.
@thatvalensteingirl
@thatvalensteingirl Год назад
@@mjesns77 Expulsion is viewed as an extreme last resort.
@patticharron3161
@patticharron3161 Год назад
I do not understand why children with dire special needs are mainstreamed into the classroom as though nothing is amiss. It is, in a word, insane. I spent a lot of time in public grade schools as part of an internship for my graduate degree. I do not, for example, know who benefits in the second grade classroom when an autistic student spends the entire morning, then the entire afternoon, doing laps around the perimeter of the classroom, all the time talking/muttering to himself. Or the one hundred pound first grader who stands in the middle of the classroom for hours, sobbing. In both cases, these behaviors are ignored by the teachers, but I find it difficult to believe the children are able to ignore the behavior and accept it as normal. It isn’t normal, and I see no benefit to anyone to pretend that it is.
@cherdevine59
@cherdevine59 Год назад
The kiddo's parents must be held accountable to the maximum the law will provide.
@kimberlykay1614
@kimberlykay1614 Год назад
Parents are responsible for this child’s actions. They should be arrested and fined.
@lisaperry5999
@lisaperry5999 Год назад
Yes and in most places,they are held accountable for their children's truancy so definitely in this case.
@MH-ds8cb
@MH-ds8cb Год назад
Absolutely! So should the school officials who failed to respond to this threat of violence. They are lying when they say this child was searched. They likely didn’t believe the report that the child had a gun and did nothing!
@TK-dx1nh
@TK-dx1nh Год назад
I'm now 60+ YO. I recently retired early from mental health nursing. We faced very similar dangers and chaos while often understaffed, trying to care for psychotic and often violent patients . Fiscal concerns and public perception was always more of a priority with administration than staff safety. I thank god I am old enough to be retired. One day, in the not so distant future, teachers and nurses will become scarce. No-one in their right mind will choose these professions.
@Monkeyboysdontknow
@Monkeyboysdontknow Год назад
@@user-account-not-found Actually, that's pure political priorities, just as in ANY system. It hasn't always been this way in this country. Other systems of government can just quietly make the problem go away... permanently - for the betterment of society, of course.
@TiptonMama
@TiptonMama Год назад
Trust me, I'm actively trying to convince my 16 yo that she doesn't want to become a teacher. Her school counselor thinks she'd be an excellent teacher, but agrees with me she's too high energy and would burn out quickly, especially in college, if she's not challenged enough. She's conspiring with me to keep her in looking where her aptitude tests (and her lifelong passions) have been leading her.
@juneyshu6197
@juneyshu6197 Год назад
And cops and paramedics!
@gretchenhughes9652
@gretchenhughes9652 Год назад
I was a RN. Glad I am retired. You are absolutely correct. A nurse on my shift received a broken jaw by a patient who had assaulted his parents prior to be admitted to the Critical Care Unit for Psychiatric evaluation. Our unit was for Cardiac & critically ill patients. We were not equipped for handling these type patients, yet administrators felt like they could be watched closer. He was male & the whole staff female ages from 26-50. A cardiac patient witnessed the assault from her room as when he hit the nurse she was knocked out into the hall. The patient had chest pain out of fear that he would get loose & start attacking everyone. Glad I am out of the jungle, too. No amount of money could make me go back.
@TK-dx1nh
@TK-dx1nh Год назад
@@gretchenhughes9652 I feel the same! I worked on a medium secure forensic unit in a Mental Health Center for 22 yrs. Sadly, I experienced countless of similar incidents. HR was not on our side. If not for our amazing union, I could have lost my licence for defending myself on more than one occasion. And some excellent nurses did. disgusting. So relieved to be out!!!
@CheapsKate77
@CheapsKate77 Год назад
I've had several students who have thrown things, furniture, hit other kids, yelled constantly, left the classroom, etc. And teachers have to deal with it for at least 6 weeks while you observe and document to then request testing for an IEP. It's insane.
@johncaze757
@johncaze757 Год назад
What's wrong with that kid's mind?
@user-on8wz1dt9g
@user-on8wz1dt9g Год назад
The parents stayed with the child at school to help with his behavior? When did this start? That’s utter craziness!
@swedishmeatball4382
@swedishmeatball4382 Год назад
We had a case where the mom went to school with her daughter. The daughter (let's call her Ella) had been skipping classes for quite a while. Our principal used his breaks to search for her; he was deeply worried because she left school to go drink with a bunch of middle aged drunk dudes in public places. Absolutely not a crowd you want a teenage girl to get involved with. Anyway, we had this national standard test and I was in charge of Ella's class. There was a break between two parts in the test, and I was quite surprised to find out that Ella had disappeared during the breaks. These tests were A Big Deal with mandatory attendance, and vanishing in the middle of it was unheard of. So, Ella's mom went to school with her after that to make sure she didn't skip away to hang with her drunk "friends".
@MF-ty2zn
@MF-ty2zn Год назад
The child has autism spectrum disorder.
@nursetinalouise
@nursetinalouise Год назад
How is it craziness? As the parent I am far more responsible for my child than the school and have attended with my kids.
@sayhello5377
@sayhello5377 Год назад
If they had to attend school with him, then why wouldn’t they just pull him out and homeschool him?
@haruuuuu1115
@haruuuuu1115 Год назад
@@sayhello5377 if it’s an accommodation in his IEP then the least restrictive environment is for sure not a public school. a lot of people forget that an IEP is to help the child readjust to typical life and eventually be weaned off most of the significant accommodations if possible. if the child can’t attend school without a parent then they need one-on-one or to be homeschooled.
@LetsBHonest
@LetsBHonest Год назад
What did you add to this story? You just sounded like a news reporter and didn't really give any psychological insight with your doctoral degree here.
@andthen0170
@andthen0170 Год назад
I feel for the children who were in the room. So sad.
@LaniLanilei
@LaniLanilei Год назад
Good evening Dr Grand. I'm glad the 25 year old teacher lived through this very unfortunate incident. It's shocking. A 6 year old! Amazing, she continues to look after the children removing them out of harms way. Is there any place that is safe.
@LaniLanilei
@LaniLanilei Год назад
@Danny Miller yes you may
@brittneybabeee4031
@brittneybabeee4031 Год назад
@@LaniLanilei Be careful. Sounds like Mr. Miller’s account is trying to run a scam.
@LaniLanilei
@LaniLanilei Год назад
Thank you. Well he met the wrong person to do that.
@vhondasorganizedchaos
@vhondasorganizedchaos Год назад
That poor little kid, feeling hate that intense at 6 yrs old. What will his life be like? So sad.
@bentramer682
@bentramer682 Год назад
Something is wrong with that child and both the parents and the school system didn't do enough to help him or other students considering they crammed them all in this room with one teacher.
@messrsandersonco5985
@messrsandersonco5985 Год назад
Some kids are just BAD. Nothing can be done for them. He is already a sociopath in the making - no conscience. Certainly, his parents should be liable to damages, and so should the school/Headmaster. No protocols in place, poorly managed.
@bentramer682
@bentramer682 Год назад
@@messrsandersonco5985 so just give up on him right.
@frankpaya690
@frankpaya690 Год назад
@@bentramer682 who said anything about "giving up" on him? That being said we always seem to have tiny little minority and special-interest individuals- like mice that roar forcing the greater population to adapt to them. Sometimes you do need to protect the majority from the minority.
@evelynwaugh4053
@evelynwaugh4053 Год назад
@@frankpaya690 The other kids in class are getting shortchanged by the continual disruptions. It's really so unfair to them. It sounds like the child is disturbed and needs a higher level of care than a public school can be expected to provide.
@denischabriddell986
@denischabriddell986 Год назад
There isn't always funding for the proper support person. Sometimes the hoops parents need to jump through to get their child properly evaluated is horrible. Does the town even have a specialized school?
@davidbrienlantry8760
@davidbrienlantry8760 Год назад
Another well thought out analysis Dr. Grande. Again, your knowledge of firearms and careful, common-sense explanation raises valid questions about the parenting of the offender, the school's liability regarding the signs of potential problems with the offender and the obvious holes in the story provided to the public regarding how a six-year-old obtains a gun and brings it into a classroom. There are a lot of unanswered questions here.
@eatmanyzoos
@eatmanyzoos Год назад
the knowledge of firearms that allows him to avoid the fact that they are machines for killing and not defense. people who own guns are sick. they intend to murder and they are scum to me.
@claudiagaglio8592
@claudiagaglio8592 Год назад
Well said, Dr. Grande. I’m a teacher and live this every day… lack of support, parents backlash when even letting them know their child made a bad choice during the day. I wish the public really knew our daily struggles
@TheUnofficialMaker
@TheUnofficialMaker Год назад
this is startling to me. I do know of a young lady that was doing her student teaching in a high school and she had a wreck coming back from lunch and the kids expressed that they wish she had been killed. Such a sorry state of American Public Schools. No wonder we are in this messs.
@brandybarnett9953
@brandybarnett9953 Год назад
While I totally see the benefits of inclusion for children with special needs, it has gone too far in the wrong direction. When I was in school, they had special classes and even schools for kids with severe behavior problems and emotional disturbances with the individual trained attention that they need. It was way easier to get this help for kids. When they did better, they could go back to a regular class. These services are now extremely hard to get because they exclude kids from the regular classroom.
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 Год назад
It still exists here in Australia for kids that come from some kind of problem background and have social or learning problems as a result. My sister taught those classes along with part of her psych degree and unlike a lot of people here who can't believe 6 year olds can shoot people- oh, they'll shoot or stab you all right given half a chance! Its literally prison rules in a lot of cases, you work with another trainee or temp staff, its hands off discipline and you'll probably be using a false name. But you're going to get death threats on at very least a weekly basis and probably have something hurled at you once in a while. Needless to say, that job has a fairly limited lifespan because you literally cannot tolerate that kind of shit for very long. Most of it stems back from the parent(s) as is pretty rare there's more than 1 involved. They drink and take drugs all through pregnancy, live in some sort of squalid existence and more than likely there will be some systemic abuse along the way from their immediate carers, so you get monsters out the other end. Life's pretty tough as-is for a lot of kids and we're not talking about the little stuff like a minor learning disorder that means they maybe get a lot of C's and D's on the report. We're talking the big stuff like coming out with a well developed anti-social personality disorder and extremely violent predilections as part of their 'learning' most of the time before they're 10.
@kathybates1751
@kathybates1751 Год назад
No have you not heard. In America there is no logic anymore. Now wrong is right.
@fredajordan5704
@fredajordan5704 Год назад
@@krissteel4074 I can only agree fully, you nailed it!!
@vladimirputindreadlockrast812
It's unfair to the other children. It's like saying, "We can't raise his standards, so we will lower everybody else's."
@bcyes409
@bcyes409 Год назад
Depends on the state. I live in NY state, there are special ed classes and para professional with the children
@amyspeers8012
@amyspeers8012 Год назад
I was a school nurse for over 10 years before moving abroad. I would help write plans for students like this one. Not once was a parent to accompany their child to class. Why was this student not appropriately supported? Was a general education classroom not the appropriate placement? Why was the decision made to not have the parent attend when the student had made a death threat to the teacher? I have so many questions. Thank you for your analysis.
@helenm6732
@helenm6732 Год назад
If the severity of the situation required one of his parents to accompany him to school, maybe he should have been mandatorily home schooled with a teacher available via Zoom to advise/support the parent.
@iettord3124
@iettord3124 Год назад
The kid was most likely over supported from very early age. Helicopter parents and a school too weak is probably the case. No one setting borders or giving him consequences for bad behavior. If not socialized from very early age human as well as other social animals develop into monsters. Happens all over the western world now days. Parents from generation X and onward don't know how to raise kids properly. A pandemic of narcissistic personal disorder is one result of this problem. Pardon my spelling, england is not my nativ nose. Cheers from Sweden.
@jessicaolson490
@jessicaolson490 Год назад
@@iettord3124 you do realize psychos come from every generation... Go back far enough and it was public entertainment to watch people publicly executed.
@jessicaolson490
@jessicaolson490 Год назад
I'm wondering why the parents were discharged from their duty to be with the child if he was still out of control, and if he was wandering the school without somebody attending to him chronically but his parents were at school with him where were they? The fact that they had a student's parent required to be at school up until a week before this tells me that they required the discipline that only a parent can enforce (whereas the school official can only use words to cajole and try to convince). As a kid, in middle school, one of the students had his mom attend for about half a year. But he wasn't dangerous, he just get up to all kinds of trouble, with Mom sitting in the back of the classroom he's quiet as a mouse and paying attention without her even having to intervene, she just had to sit there reading her book. He grew up normal but needed a little extra authority to keep on task in school. (Pretty sure he was ADHD or Asperger's type autism, or both). He would literally taunt and throw words at the bigger kids until they'd end up beating him up, and then they'd get into trouble for bullying.
@butwhytho4858
@butwhytho4858 Год назад
@@iettord3124 can’t completely disagree with u, but being overly supported wasn’t the main issue here. My mothers been an upper element librarian for almost 20 yrs now, after having taught elementary ELA. I also have an aunt that is a speech pathologist in TN, another aunt who’s a HS librarian, and another who’s a retired middle School counselor; not one of them across many diff states have ever heard of a parent being allowed to attend. Not just allowed but REQUIRED to attend (except for that day I guess???) No doubt somethings not quite right at home, but it could also be genetics at play. Whatever the reason is, this isn’t a simple case of overly supporting a kid. That usually shows up much later in life if that were the case. This one either had something massively wrong going on at home, and/or was born missing some key functionality that the average kid gets such as empathy etc. There’s never just a single culprit. I want to blame the parents immediately, but I also don’t know why the mom bought a gun… Was it because she was scared of her kid? Did they live in a bad neighborhood? Just way too many questions still unanswered to make such a matter of fact statement imho 🤷🏻‍♀️
@powertuber3.047
@powertuber3.047 Год назад
This is what it's like daily in all blc schools.
@sharonhoyt2133
@sharonhoyt2133 Год назад
Some people don't believe people can be born evil. I disagree.
@karlvonboldt
@karlvonboldt Год назад
One can have the best parents and still be born innately evil, I agree with your statement! Just as one can have 2 evil parents and be a functional, model citizen!
@TruthBeTold0914
@TruthBeTold0914 Год назад
💯 Agree with you. Inequities in the bloodline.
@granny58
@granny58 Год назад
@@wrongopinion2158 you are wrong
@emilyk9388
@emilyk9388 Год назад
Thanks for touching on this Dr. G! This was so heartbreaking. My nephew is the same age, just a little peanut. He receives treatment for ADHD and ODD, though it’s controversial for children under 7. Can you touch on ODD or this combination someday? Not many have heard of it.
@emilyk9388
@emilyk9388 Год назад
@Danny Miller ?
@KeepinItReal632
@KeepinItReal632 Год назад
He did a video on it before. It’s one of the first of his I watched
@StormyAfterDark
@StormyAfterDark Год назад
That teacher should get an award for how she calmly got those other kids out of the room and to safety. That 6 year old boy is super frightening, I'm sorry to say. He had to learn it from somewhere.
@TSUNAMI-MAMI
@TSUNAMI-MAMI Год назад
Yea she’s surely not getting paid enough to deal with little shits that plan to shoot her
@brianm7109
@brianm7109 Год назад
She should get the god damn medal of honor
@JaMeshuggah
@JaMeshuggah Год назад
"that 6 year old is super frightening" The loss of control and the world you've helped create are super frightening. Wonder who keeps shootings on television all the time..
@emilyk9388
@emilyk9388 Год назад
And the teacher’s assistant taking control of the child! Very brave.
@Alex80830
@Alex80830 Год назад
he is super brave not the teacher lol, she must have been a bully
@KarlaAkins1
@KarlaAkins1 Год назад
When teachers ask for help they are labeled as bad classroom managers and marked low on evaluations.
@HolyMoly432
@HolyMoly432 Год назад
To add one thing to the many posts about this (as usual) excellent Dr. Grande video - that teacher is a hero. I watched the police captain giving an interview a few days after this and he was so emotional talking about what an amazing job she did - after having a life-threatening bullet to the chest she got all of her students out of the class and was the last to leave. 🏆 ❤️
@mitzisarahitorres
@mitzisarahitorres Год назад
Unfortunately this is reality in public schools all across the nation. From my previous teaching experience, most parents in inner city public schools view the school as the glorified babysitting service while they go work. For a variety of reasons, the parents are not involved in their child's education. They view their children as "good kids" because all their children do upon coming home from school is going straight to their room and using video games, TV, tablet, Or the phone until they go to bed. When the parents don't hear anything coming from their children's room, they tell us as teachers, "my child is a great kid he never gives me problems". They never give you problems because they are out of your hair, With zero interaction with you as a parent, doing whatever they want to do with no limits or boundaries. In school , a place where there are rules and discipline, These children then become a problem.
@oldsalt8011
@oldsalt8011 Год назад
75% of black children do not have a birth father at home.
@dodgermaven
@dodgermaven Год назад
I'm a teacher, and Abigail is an unfortunate victim of the toxic environment of which we are working. This environment needs to change.
@nataliemauzone4689
@nataliemauzone4689 Год назад
I taught elementary school for Newport News Public Schools for 6 years. I've always been an advocate for the systems approach to the safety of their employees, families and communities. In past 5 years or so with school districts across the country , teacher's voices are not always considered, parents seem to have control over administrators and teacher's dont have the support of leaders. Unfortunately, it seems as if no matter the situation, the teacher face the consequences, it's their fault and the families come out on top.
@benjamindover4337
@benjamindover4337 Год назад
What is a "systems approach "?
@nataliemauzone4689
@nataliemauzone4689 Год назад
@Benjamin Dover Professional Developments on strategies/practices on behavioral discipline programs and preventions. School- wide behavioral programs that promote positive behavior incentives, family engagement and student recognition for behavioral improvement. We've lost some things along the way...
@mathewgrelr7084
@mathewgrelr7084 Год назад
Was the school involved a rich area or poor?
@dextermorgan1
@dextermorgan1 Год назад
@@mathewgrelr7084 You mean was it a predominantly black or white school? It was black. No surprise there. Yes, this is a raci*t statement. It's also true.
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Год назад
@@mathewgrelr7084 Newport News, VA is definitely not a rich area.
@pagabbs
@pagabbs Год назад
How come no one blames the parents? They were barely mentioned. They are responsible for the upbringing of this boy and the gun. They are guilty.
@sayhello5377
@sayhello5377 Год назад
I’ve heard a lot of people blaming the parents. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Their half-assed statement last week didn’t help their case. “We’ve always been careful about gun safety…” and yet they had a loaded gun where their deranged 6 year old could get ahold of it. Supposedly, the kid has an IEP in place mandating that a parent accompany him to class. That really confuses me. I have never heard of an IEP like that. And if the parents are going to have to attend school with them, why wouldn’t they just homeschool him?
@eatmanyzoos
@eatmanyzoos Год назад
@@sayhello5377 because gun owners are lazy dumb redneck hicks that shouldnt be allowed to have children.
@diannt9583
@diannt9583 Год назад
@@sayhello5377 Maybe they didn't have the skill set needed to homeschool the kid.
@JJJettplane
@JJJettplane Год назад
I agree that these parents should take full responsibility for that gun making it into the school. But saying bad parenting is always the case with disturbed people, is unfortunately untrue. Evil can sometimes come straight from the womb.
@eatmanyzoos
@eatmanyzoos Год назад
@@JJJettplane how come parents these days refuse to modify their behavior so they can set good examples for generations? do they moan about how kids dont listen? parents make kids listen. why are adults letting kids use smartphones? laziness.
@scottburbridge3170
@scottburbridge3170 Год назад
we have every reason to blame complacent, ignorant school officials; the chaotic system then encourages society to "hug the shooter/murderer," encouraging them to do what they do. and then as years go by, the crimes & grievances multiply and they eventually end up in prison. i understand how schools have difficulty finding teachers at all.
@fredajordan5704
@fredajordan5704 Год назад
Scott . I can only fully agree. who wants to become a teacher today? Just like a cop or first responder, you never know if you come home in the evening, no thank you....
@haruuuuu1115
@haruuuuu1115 Год назад
this is 100% spot on. i used to teach in this same district, just at a middle school, and i have several friends and colleagues that still work there. there is a HUGE push in teachers to just sweep things under the rug and not rock the boat. they want bodies in the room, basically, not significant teachers. the lack of support for discipline and academics is crazy. yes they’ll pay you pretty well, compared to where you’re living. and yes, they’ll give you all the newest gizmos and gadgets. but any clear, decisive steps to discipline? no. any real procedure on getting a kid clearly in the wrong placement to a better one? nope. at my new school, it took me 2 months to get one child from my regular classroom to a school that specialized in this specific needs. i didn’t even have steps to do that at the school i worked at in this same district as this shooting. it’s insane.
@shroomyk
@shroomyk Год назад
I know a guy who told me his own 5/6 year old says weird stuff about wanting to hurt or kill people. They have the kid in therapy, but the dad says the kid knows how to be "normal" in front of the therapist. It's really disturbing. I assumed kids like that had to be abused badly, but I know this guy doesn't do that. They have to be getting it from somewhere though, because kids that young mostly mimic what they think adults are doing.
@Derek032789
@Derek032789 Год назад
Kids can be evil too.
@roxannespahr2804
@roxannespahr2804 Год назад
I wake up every night here around 1:00 a.m., without fail. I fell asleep watching one of your videos and always have a new one to watch. I am so glad you're here. The way you put videos together with the the timeline and the way you successfully put together all the relevant information in this perfect-like format, makes you my favorite channel to watch on RU-vid. I like alot of different topics, so that says alot. Thank you for all the research and hard work you put in to make these videos!!
@lnc-to4ku
@lnc-to4ku Год назад
What a disturbing case, and all her expressed fears and concerns were just ignored. It's hard to comprehend a 6 year old, actually planning such harm.... Such a great video, Dr. Grande!
@annal7364
@annal7364 Год назад
This is how it is in public education now. I’ve been in the game 12 years and it’s not pretty most of the time. Teachers are unsupported and then blamed by administration. Teachers get cussed out and beaten up by students and those kids go back to class five minutes later with a lollipop in their mouth for talking about their feelings. 🙄 I no longer call for help. I just run my own discipline and it’s the only thing that works. My kids are sweethearts and do an excellent job in class. Don’t call admin for help because they don’t help because they don’t care. Thanks for being a voice for us, Dr. G!!
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