Dude, patroller was asking for a runaway skier by not having his skis on. How's he supposed to catch you then? However, I agree that you kinda answered your own question... "Trail should be open." Seconds later, "conditions were getting shit."
Try skiing at Breckenridge. Had a teacher hit me from behind and threaten to take my pass then he got physical. Seen a few jacks at sunapee too which is why I don’t go there anymore
@@rogerpoisson6567 Its funny you say breckenridge, I've done both ski and snowboard. Been up as high as the double black diamonds and I've never had any patrol stop me when I went down the mountain. I would be going nearly 30-40 mph about down them hills because its so much ice up on the top. Once you hit the trees is all fresh snow and then from there you hit blues. Not a whole lot of people do those so I can get away with flying down the mountain at blazing speeds. Only time i ever made a mistake was when black had blues an greens beside one another. I cut through blue back into green and didn't see a hill ended up flying over the hill getting almost 10-15 of air and landed on the greens where there had to be over 50 people all over. Only time in my life i made that mistake and sure enough ski patroller yelled slow down. That or just come over and say you can't do that. All i said was i didn't see the greens till i flew through the trees. no way to prevent what you cant see over a steep hill. Either way I've seen some good an bad on the slopes but for patrollers to stop you and try an take badges those are just power hungry A-holes trying to fuel themselves up. My motto is if your gonna ruin my week/nd of the slopes you first gotta catch me. I just head back to my cabbin switch my gear an jackets get back out and say F them.
This doesn't happen in countries where people aren't hooked on lawsuits. The resort knows they're not responsible for your death, so they don't bother if you want to assume additional personal risk.
In Austria and Swiss you can ski wherever you want, it's just your own risk. If I have an accident my Dutch health insurance will cover everything. Good to live in Europe :)
Nah… these lift tickets basically make you sign your life away, ski lawsuits are virtually impossible nowadays. This guys just power tripping… Plus he’s a volunteer patroller, he has no skin in the game anyway when it comes to resort operations.
@@13AZ13 Bro the fuck you talking about? He wasn’t even close to bombing the hill. I’ve skied down hills at 30mph+ and never have been talked to about “bombing” the hill. But then again, I’m on the ski team so I get extra privileges… 😃😃😃
What's funny is that at 0:26 u can see a connector 'trail' with no rope between the trail under lift (that looks open) and one OP is on...so even if he didn't duck the rope at top, he could have still skiied that trail by accessing it via the adjacent trail without ducking ropes...
absolutely. The easy out here is "I cut through the trees". If you EVER get caught skiing a closed trail, "I ducked in the tree's and didn't mean to end up here" is the only line you should give ski patrol.
@@Tyler-mz2sm my home ski hill doesn’t allow any skiing in the trees (though they don’t seem to care about small loop around trails or side hits that form), so that could get you in more trouble
@@Tyler-mz2smwell as someone who consistently gets lost in the trees and winds up on a run they never knew existed it certainly will be my excuse for the day where this happens to me
I’m a board patroller so you can just guess how much shit I get when I’m not wearing my jacket. I’ve had many interactions like this with my own co workers lol. You put it great, lots of ego trippers out there
This never happens in Europe. If you ski down a closed run, it's at your own risk (of injury, I mean, or possibly of losing your insurance cover). In contrast, the company in charge of the lifts and slopes cannot be held liable for any accidents happening as a consequence, so they won't bother. In fact there is no such thing as a "ski patrol" policing behavior on the runs - except perhaps if someone is obviously and continuously endangering others by racing at high speeds in crowded areas. I was once held up by a ski patrol in Steamboat Springs simply for going too fast in his judgment (although I - as a very good skier - was in full control and was making regular (carving) turns, not taking a straight line, and leaving lots of space between myself and others). I was let go with a warning after I had explained that - as a German - I had never had that experience in the Alps. I lived in the US for a year, and I can't help feeling that Americans like to abuse a position of power (similar story with customs officers), whereas in Europe authorities are more keen to educate, not to torment people. It's odd that the self-acclaimed "land of the free" is so intolerant of individual freedom and people taking responsibility for themselves.
Your post is why I will never ski in Europe. Give me ski patrol anyday so I can safely ski all over the mountain, that is a massive luxury that people in this thread seem to be taking completely for granted. You want no rules, get some skins and ski the backcountry.
Sad to see the downfall of Sunapee. I used to really like going there, it always had a nice, locali-ish small mountain feel. Now that Vail's in charge, everything has gone to shit. Closed terrain, closed lifts, and HUGE lines have just ruined it. Really shitty stuff.
@@strannielson5342 It's bad, but less bad in that the resorts on the pass tend to not treat their employees like 4th class citizens. They've totally affected lines. But that's being pretty petty and elitist. These passes open up skiing to lower incomes. *I think the only way around the problems that's fair is giving everyone blackouts. A Saturday or Sunday blackout of your choice that stays that way for the season, and 2 weekdays that stay that way for you and the family you got your tickets with. That way, weekday pow days are less of a disaster
As a European I just wonder „What the F is Skipatrol?“ and „Why do you need them?“ What happened to freedom and taking responsibility for one’s own actions? Sheesh!
As a ski patroller, he was a bit weirdo. Normally we would just talk to you and just give you a finger wag no issue you can leave. He shouldn’t have wanted to take your pass although you were kind of a snark lol. We do close trails for reasons tho sometimes snow cover is not as good as it looks(looked totally fine in vid tho)
My thoughts exactly. I’m not purporting to be “right.” But somehow I doubt that his response was the best way to handle that exchange. If you had wagged your finger I suspect I would have heard you out, and most likely even thanked you for your candor and apologized profusely for my infracturin.’ But this here game of fools homie don’t play.
But why would you take ski pass for riding that part? Why would you care if he dies? In Europe you can ski wherever you want, if you die, your own fault.
In Canada ski patrol is super chill I find it funny how strict they are in America, you regularly see them going off trail to hit some jumps and nearly never see them without skis on, they really only care if you’re putting others at risk, I usually bomb blue or the really long green ones and don’t get in trouble for it as long as I am in control
Ski patrol is solid in my book. Lots of skiers would probably die without their av mitigation efforts. This particular ski patroller seemed rude but the skier was worse.
There's literally like 3 other cut ins to that trail that didn't seem to be roped off, I don't see why that ski patrol guy was tripping out, that trail clearly should of been open, especially after a massive storm like that.
This is very entertaining, im from canada and ski patrol here dose not care what you do. Most of them are young too so they probably brake just as many rules as we do. In the land of freedom, you don’t have the freedom to ski where ever you want!! Haha
Used to live in Colorado and skied 30-40 days a year. Last trip back out west went to deer valley, which if we are going to be honest, isn’t the greatest. But I was making the most of it just cruising around as a 40 something guy when a safety guy flagged me down and demanded my pass for ‘pushing it too hard’, which was funny because I was absolutely not doing that. I told the guy I had an ikon pass to which told me he didn’t care and to hand it over. I told him to pop his skis on and catch me, then Downhilled the rest of the way to the hotel I was staying at, hopped off my skis and got inside before he caught up. Luckily that was the final day of the trip.
They're primarily supposed to be EMTs on the mountain, taking care of people who get injured on the hill. They also technically have the authority to tell people off for unsafe behavior.
As a European it baffles me that there’s such a thing as “ski patrol” in the US. Sure we have closed pistes and areas you’re not meant to go, but except for wild-life protection areas, pretty much anything is fair game. And when it’s just a run closed for bad conditions, nobody cares if you do it anyway and get yourself injured.
Ski patrol's main job is to clear avalanche danger and respond to injuries. It's not like they just ski around the mountain looking for people who have gone of the trail....
i would've done the same. One time i met a lady, at a friend's house. Right of the bat she told me '' i'm a cop'' so i said '' ah yeah cool'' then she said '' yeah i'm working for garda'' ....................................... WHAT ???? when you don,t see the difference between cops and security agent, there's a fking problem ! I mean, she could taze someone for her own ego (because if you say so, you probably are ego-filled to the top !)
If I'm west of the Mississippi, I have my beacon, probe, and shovel, and will not duck ropes. But since the only avie danger on the east coast is at places where I'm going uphill, poaching or not poaching comes down to what hill I'm skiing. If the hill respects able customers, if that's the culture, then yeah there's a damn good reason that rope is up. I respect management and patrol and will not poach: • Smuggs • MRG • Magic • Mt. Bohemia • Middlebury Snowbowl • Jay (mostly, I might poach Green Beret if I've already skied a particular secret trail and it was fun). • Wildcat (before Vail bought them). On the other hand, there are plenty of hills that show nothing but contempt for able customers. I try not to ski those hills, but sometimes I have no choice (I compete in FWQ and work in the industry). If a hill has no respect for me as a customer I have no respect for them or their ropes. These include: • Gore (Gore is the best in terms of badass cliffs and woods, and the worst in their contempt of able customers; I give zero flux about Gore's silly little ropes.) • Whiteface • Killington • Elk • Bristol • Stowe (pre or post Vail... god I hate Stowe.) • Wildcat (post Vail). I'm an ex-patroller. I'm a poacher, not a hypocrite.
What exactly was the patroller's plan? Tackle you to the ground and take the pass from you? He has no legal authority to hold you... as a representative of the ski resort he can kick you off the mountain, but that's about all he can do
Why wasn't the trail open? Unless there is no lift access at the bottom or it's out of bounds, what's the deal? Didn't look like an avalanche threat either.
In Russia, someone dies every year, last season 2 meters of snow fell on one of the days, a person fell head down and suffocated, and his friends were from below and could not get up in time. But when he went off-piste, he took full responsibility.
Out in colorado, you should never cut ropes. Could be life and death, but avalanches are serious here and so are rocks. But out east ? I mean whats that slope a 25 lol ?
Yeah weird. In most countries the lift operators don't own the mountain so they can't actually stop you from skiing wherever you want. These guys just stand there purposefully to nab people. Bizarre.
I’ve never had an issue with ski patrol lol. Here in Wisconsin me and my friends would spend most of our time skiing off the trails in the woods and they never said anything to us. I also attempted to jump over a fence between two runs. Unfortunately I ate it, and ski patrol just said don’t try it again. I woulda stomped it second try, but next time we went there they had doubled the height of the fence.
The trail was open and it's not your problem for them forgetting to put down the rope. Honestly that was a good spot to go down idk why they didn't want u going down there tons of other people did. But to be honest really sigma moment u had there that was amazing.
didn't know ski patrol existed, been skiing for 24 years here in italy and if you wanna go on closed sections you're on your own (if there's no one working on it of course)
That’s what happens on the east coast when it rains then snows then rains. Gets hammered and skied off by mid morning, almost always. We almost never have that kind of fluffy floaty stuff that dreams are made of. This year was even worse than last.
@@KaliAndy2 Been to Winter Park Colorado, Stowe/Killington Vermont, Mont Tremblant Canada, and many others. So you would be the one who doesn't know what he is talking about in this instance... I said it was just my opinion, smooth your feathers out homie.
First day out, goes and ducks a rope and skis a closed run with admittedly poor conditions and falls multiple times doing so... yeah the ski patroller was the asshole here lmao. All I'll say is, when the end of shift sweep comes through, we don't check closed runs. So if you were to blow up on a run like that, theres a good chance were not going to find you. Not to mention the extraction could be an absolute nightmare depending on what run you decided 'should' have been open. Ski patrollers arent cops, we arent out there to ruin your good time, and most of us get paid shit or dont get paid at all. Were out there for the sole purpose of helping people in all scenarios, especially if they get hurt. So lets just chill out a little bit eh?
Do you live in the northeast these mountains are nothing? Glorified hills. And as far as I’m concerned and most decent skiers are concerned the snow patrol is just there to complain when you do a back flip or something. You can clearly see he’s not the only one on the run so if anything were to happen he had company. I feel you but this guy stopped him and was triggered off the bat
With how many people were going down that run giving guy a warning first like he did to all the others would have been just fine. No reason to escalate like this.
@KaliAndy2 he was going to warn him, but he clearly said "the run that should be open?" which leads the patroller to believe they're just going to go back up and ski it again. I find it hard to believe there are places you can ski where a patroller is just going to pull your pass first time they see you back there. Not to mention 10/10 times if you just say, "ah youre right, shouldnt have ducked the rope, wont happen again" they say "aight cheers" and thats the end of it.
@@ImHClikeSnowbound If he was giving warnings to 10 people every minute not pulling their passes this guy deserves the same chance. Do you pull this guys pass simply because you assume he might do it again or because he actually did it? Its no different than throwing someone in jail who is on probation for a crime you assume they'll commit in the future.
@KaliAndy2 he got the same chance everyone else got.... until he showed zero respect for the patroller with his comment. And even then he wasnt going to pull his pass until the skiier continued to be disrespectful. And at the end of the day he didnt even radio down and get his pass pulled at the base...so considering all that im not sure whining about it on youtube is justified. a more accurate comparison to this scenario would be speeding 5 over in a pack of cars. The cop isnt going to pull everyone, but he will pull the dude who gives him the finger driving by.
One time I accessed a closed trail via trees at Beaver Creek. It was chock full of powder. Got to the bottom and the patroller waves me over and says, "yeah, are you local?" I say "nope, come here every year with my family." I bet If I said I was local he would've taken my pass. Nice mountain but way too expensive these days...
